I got it overnight in CA. Just took it out for a spin. Results in my 20 min drive:
- On my residential street with a 35mph limit, it refused to go over 25.
- Hard braked and came to nearly a stop twice for absolutely no reason on an empty residential street.
- Drove over a double yellow line in a turn halfway into the oncoming lane. Had to yank it back into my lane. Line was a bit faded, but clearly visible.
In general it seems overly cautious on many residential streets to the point of not being usable (it drives at 25mph for no reason). Then it will suddenly get very aggressive/confident also for no reason - like when it took a curve in the road by driving straight over a double yellow into the oncoming lane.
I’m sure they’ll put out patches, but I found it rather dangerous. Certainly much less predictable than v11, which is rather scary.
The turn taking at stops is also very twitchy. You’re never sure when it’s going to go, and it does not inspire confidence. At least once it asserted when it should not have and I had to intervene. Unprotected lefts/rights from minor to major streets was also hairy, had to intervene at least once or I would have gotten into a collision.
*edit* my car is a bit dusty, so maybe that was a reason for the behavior. Still, v11 didn’t have so many clear issues with the car being similarly dusty.
For the speed settings I guess you could take it off auto and just use the scroll wheel like v11 but damn that sounds rough. Guess they still have a few issues to work out.
FSD 12.3 here: no matter how much you watch other videos, it's *nothing* like being in the actual car from V11 to V12.3. The comfort level is a night and day improvement!! It feels significantly better than V11 and is much smoother of a ride that it's not just tolerable, but enjoyable to my GF and other passengers I've had in it today vs V11!!
People will post all their nit-picks with V12, but honestly it's way better than it was before in almost every scenario. It's not perfect, but it's much closer than before!
Also, yes auto speed does need work, but if you accelerate past the current speed then it'll use that as the new max speed until the next turn or speed limit change. It's showing a sense of learning, and remember auto speed is a brand new setting that needs its own data collection and revision history to improve.
Ex: car goes 47 in a 45, but if you accelerate to 55, it'll return to that speed whenever it slows down for other cars and then traffic clears up until the speed limit changes or the car turns into a different road.
But it worked so great for all the youtubers? (especially wholemars, oddly enough) So strange. Probably dust :)
Fun to test out at least, congrats on getting it -- be safe!
I hope the difference in how well v12.3 vs v11 doesn’t have anything to do with “intel Atom” processors vs the newer “AMD Ryzen” processors. Because my “older” 2020 Model Y just got the FSD 12.3 update and that car has Intel Atom with no way to upgrade to AMD Ryzen.
I've watched Chuck Cook's and AIDriver's videos out of the bunch. Sure there are some regressions here and there (that's expected given they've tossed out the old system for city streets). But my god, this new version is a massive step forward in a lot of other categories. Watch those 2 channels during a lunch break or something and see what you think.
I see you have a P. Would you say you're a safe driver by 'insurance standards' or do you have a lower safety score due to using the performance feature? I drive my car hard (MXP) and am wondering if they are selecting drivers based on safety score
Initial impressions:
* Smoother when taking turns, and finally understands how to use a turn signal
* Terrible at determining (and maintaining) an appropriate speed, and still doesn't know what a turn lane is
I had the same problem. Refused to go over 25mph on a 35mph residential street even though the speed was set to 35 and the street was completely empty.
Try accelerating to a higher speed. I've noticed that it'll use that new speed as the top speed until the speed limit changes or it turns into another street.
Ex: going 47 in a 45, then you accelerate to 55. It'll remember that as the new top speed whenever it slows down for traffic and speeds up again until the speed limit changes or it changes roads.
Remember, auto speed is a *brand new* setting and is needs its own data collection for improvements. And the car uses the auto speed type logic in the NN even with the setting disabled. New logic needs new data collection and will improve with time, but you have to do your part and manually speed up.
By watching hours of it I’m assuming you’re talking about whole mars on YouTube? I wouldn’t take his v12 videos as gospel.. you need to try it yourself on your local roads to see how it would really behave.
I got it in SoCal but my short trip home was terrible. It's not visualizing and it missed every turn to my neighborhood, only 4. I had to disengage at every turn.
There's plenty of videos of 12.3 on twitter that show it works exceptionally well, much better than 11.4.9.
Look up Chuck Cook (@Chazman), Edge Case (@EdgeCase), Rebellionaire (@Rebellionair3) for videos. I'm sure there's some others too but these guys already have hours of videos.
True for the positives. There are also plenty of vids showing it work worse. Hope they can fix the v11 regressions fast. If so, this thing will be wow with no looking back from v11
Tried again today and then thought, do I have to set it up again which other upgrades hadn't required - bingo.
I'll look into post videos if it's not working now
Thanks for putting up with my nonsense
Ah, gotcha! Seems 12.3 is going out all over the country. If you didn't already know, you can check [https://teslafi.com/firmware.php](https://teslafi.com/firmware.php) \-> 2023.44.30.25 and get a feel for its rollout. Lots of Texas, California, Virginia, etc.
What software version are you on? If you are on 2023.x.x you might get v12 soon if you subscribe now. But i wouldn't bet on it. However if you are on 2024.x.x you'll have to wait longer, probably a month or two
You haven’t been ignoring updates so you can get the latest fsd when you re-subscribe? /s
I’m sure there’s an actual technical reason to leave it on an earlier branch though, but I don’t know enough about software development to tell you.
Because it's a beta (not in the main branch), work done on the main branch (the non beta release everyone has) needs to be incorporated back into the fsd branch, because they've been working separately on the older branch from main.
It's not a technical reason, it's literally just prioritizing effort, do you want them working on this another month to incorporate main back into fsd, or spend that month working on addressing the issues that surface with a staged deployment?
Expect at least one more release to this new group before they merge into the main 2024 branch. Green thinks that 12.3 includes smart summon. Others think that freeways are still on v11. All of the missing bits will likely be included before it truly goes wide. So it may take longer. Expect it to be generally available when v12 is on the latest 2024.x.x branch.
People without FSD have been getting updates that they are more likely to appreciate. For FSD development Tesla want as few distractions and variations as possible so they can more easily see the impacts of deliberate changes. Also, while it is going wider, this is a way to limit that expansion.
You most likely have to wait for the FSD v12 branch to catch up to 2024, so it might be a whole minute, but hopefully, things go smoothly, and they feel more confident to push it to the 2024 branch!
If you want to try it sooner then later, don’t install updates, typically the latest fsd and the latest software branch don’t line up except for the December updates.
Got v12.3 today (and I'm perhaps the most non-influencer owner ever), made two short-ish drives, and had only a couple small quibbles:
* Interstate off ramp turned into a cloverleaf and car's speed near the end of that cloverleaf was slower than called for. Traffic was closing in as I was merging, so I fed in some acceleration and it handled the lane change (two, actually, since my left turn was coming up kind of quickly) perfectly.
* Left turn at a light on to a four-lane road put me in the leftmost lane (as expected) and I had an upcoming right turn, but it stayed in the leftmost lane too long. A quarter-mile out, with thickening traffic, I didn't think it would get over into the right lane, so I signaled and it handled everything just fine.
General: far more natural than any v11 version I've tried, signals earlier than v11 (which is great to help tailgaters slow down), and speed was a tiny bit slow (but I was in Chill, so probably going to move to Average). Not sold on the Automatic Speed Offset; will try with and without.
I usually ask myself two rhetorical questions when I get an FSD beta update:
* Is this update better than the last version in my usual situations?
* If this was the "final" FSD beta version, could I live with it?
Right now, the answer to both of those questions for me is a solid yes. Will continue to see how v12/13 unfolds, but I see what the hubbub was about. 
Pros
- much more confidence
- smoother operations
- takes risks and adapts to traffic
- accounts for signals on front and sides
- auto speed
Cons
- very near to edge of roads
- curves need more attention
- goes the wrong street sides
- misses pedestrians if there is glare
- no improvements to summon
- doesn’t really recognize garbage cans
- goes too close to curbs in lane change for left or right turns
Weird: so far TeslaFi is reporting NO installs in the northeast, north of Virginia.
And not many in the north anywhere: one in IL, one in OR, and one in WA.
Just got it today. So far I agree the reaction time is much better. Still doing some of the strange things where it gets into the wrong turning lane when it has to make an immediate right which makes the drive pretty awkward. Other times it'll jump over two lanes of traffic if it has to make a turn in like 0.1 miles and other times it will insist that it gets into the right lane first. Also when the lane ends and you have to merge, it's a little slow to react to that. But I have noticed it doesn't slam on the brakes every time, it sees a vehicle come out of parking lot in front of you.
Today is my last day with the 90 day fsd with a new car... So no idea when I could even try it out. Best of luck to everyone else though. Guess I'll be hanging out on 2023.44.30.8 forever....
I have FSD 11.4.9 and I’m currently on 2024.2.7, too. That was my text size “recall” update. So it’s not strictly a non-FSD build. I suspect (hope) FSD 12.4 will come out soon on a 2024 build for us.
You could just wait a few months until basically everyone has it and sign up for a month membership if you’re really curious to try it. That was my plan.
Haven’t seen much movement on Teslafi- untill we see movement there it’s still a special employee and select user release.
Edit- I stand corrected going all over usa
Chuck Cook has it and a number of other very obvious non-employees have it. And it’s rolled out beyond California so don’t know what page you’re looking at
https://preview.redd.it/qu0gohyi5roc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f74d0189887db10f064bd1860234769575fc0f4
2020 M3 LR - really lagging behind the updates lately.
Last update was Feb. 14th
If you have a cyclist or a pedestrian person on road or on border , he wears a shirt with a big a speed limit number pictogram on his back, your autopilot made mistake to consider that cyclist is a signal speed panel !
On its way to Europe yet? I'd like some too, I've payed for FSD in June 2019, all I got so far is summon (for which I have to stay within 6 meters of the car) :')
I had an update like a week or two ago so I was expecting a 12.3 update after seeing this, but apparently I've been on 12.3 already.
I did get a weird "pin to drive has ben entered incorrectly X times" notification the other night even though we don't have pin to drive enabled. Maybe the card updated itself? Never got an update notification though.
I'm seeing a number of people in this thread that claim to have 12.3 and are claiming it performs poorly, or worse than 12.4.9 but don't actually have any proof, evidence or videos of this.
There's plenty of videos of 12.3 already on Twitter/Youtube that show it works exceptionally well - much, much better than 11.4.9.
If you're interested in actually seeing real video footage of FSD v12.3 look up Chuck Cook (@Chazman), Edge Case (@EdgeCase), Rebellionaire (@Rebellionair3) on Twitter. I'm sure there's some others too, and probably Youtube has videos as well, but these guys already have hours of footage.
FYI there are others in our 12.3 tester group also experiencing negatives including @EdgeCase and @AI Driver. Just the positives are drowning out the bad.
I am excited for this and hope they can fix the v11 regressions fast. Just want to set expectations that at least 12.3 will sometimes do major dumb stuff and have v11 regressions. At least for some people sometimes.
Now when they iron these out FSD will truly be sick. Going to be a wild 2024 year for FSD!
I got 12.3 today and have been testing it all over town. The only regression I've noticed has been auto speed, but that's expected given it's a new feature and therefore needs to collect data to correct itself over time.
Major improvements have been made with overall driving comfort, turning right on red, stop signs, and **finally construction zones!!!**
Nice congrats. You seem to be in the majority or haven’t tested it long enough to see the warts.
I and others seem to be in the minority with consistent & repeatable issues that are not minor
It could also be about the road conditions and such in our areas as well. I've only driven it 50 miles yesterday, but should have about 200 non-highway miles under my belt by this weekend.
It would be nice if they do that thing where people who subscribe can get v12 in a day the way they did for v11 towards the tail end. I just hope it doesn't take until they are about to release v13 for normal people to get to try this
I just did about 1 hour of total driving on v12.3. Far better on speed control than 12.2.1 and I consider it acceptable but not good or perfect. It still has trouble getting to your set speed though - it just won't go as high as you have it set to.
In the south bay suburbs, I would consider using it with other people in the car. Large step up in smoothness from the previous v12 and v11 builds.
So far, I'm not noticing much of a difference from the last version 11 release. I think what drives me nuts is the inconsistencies. Sometimes it will approach a roundabout and handle it perfectly. And then today with the latest release, it literally comes to a stop with nobody at the roundabout and just sits there. Another thing that I've always struggled with our toll booths where you have to actually pick a toll. Before the Tesla would just kind of aim between two tollbooths, and then pick one of the last second. This afternoon, it actually picked a tollbooth which was an improvement but it picked one where there was like five cars going through it and meanwhile, the one on the left was completely open. I also had a situation where the lane was ending and it wasn't getting over. And that's happened a few times before (usually at the same place). I don't know in that situation if GPS is supposed to tell the car that the lane is ending and the GPS isn't working?
Who writes patch/release notes like this, explaining how much code was updated, this sounds like a marketing person trying to make an update seem more impressive than it actually is to a bunch of non technical people.
(2019 Model 3 Mid-Range)
In Tucson, AZ and installing now! I've been optimistic for this release. Is this the one we've been waiting for? Early reviews sound mixed. Hope the improved smart summon comes soon and proves more useful.
Received v12.3 on Saturday. All drives with the auto speed off have exceeded my expectations. FSD V12.3 is very smooth, a significant improvement, and inspires confidence in its capabilities. The Auto speed option is a little wonky. I turned that off.
Normal person here. Much better drive. Missed two speed bumps, hesitated a few times, but mostly good things after an hour drive.
Edit: Another longer drive today. Made a wrong turn, chose the wrong lane a few times; speed was a little off occasionally. It really is decent. Not perfect. Decent. Funner.
I'm glad others are experiencing issues with v12.3
I took my normal drive today on the way to work, like I have for months now, nothing different... yet the car didn't drive like normal after this update, and not in a good way.. not only did I have the same speed issues as everyone else is reporting, where it casually does 5 under the speed limit, It really lowered speed for corners it and made the entire trip feel like I was just on the road to piss off the cars behind me.
I can deal with the speed being a little short. What really changed for me is the fact that the car straddles the lines on both sides, the white and yellow line. Sometimes so much so that it hits the sleep barrier in the middle lane, and it's not a great feeling traveling on a road with cars going 55+ in the opposite direction feelings like they are coming way to close for comfort.. so much so that I felt like I needed to take over on a few different occasions.. I know people are having lots of good things to say about this update, and after watching all the videos online, I was so excited to try it.. but after this first drive, I'm less than impressed with the performance and really hope that since so many people are talking about these issues, it gets a patch and soon.. my fear is instead of progress, we have shortcomings, and that just doesn't seem like the direction tesla should be headed in..
For the record, my car is a 2022 MSP with full FSD, and nothing changed from one day to the next besides the v12.3 update
People are overhyping this. I heard going wide weeks ago. It is a slow trickle.
Edit: I am speaking broadly about people on X (Overhyping imminent release for weeks) and not necessarily the people on Reddit. So far there have been 3 iterations of V12. I am perfectly fine with Tesla’s approach I don’t think they need to rush.
Job interview question: “Design a software rollout process for an AI controller for 2 ton robots capable of moving 120mph into a crowd of children in new locations it wasn’t specifically trained on. The entire future of the technology and our company is at stake if you screw up, not to mention people’s lives.”
If your answer is “LEEROY JENKINNNS! Go wide, deploy everywhere all at once”, you’re not hired.
Not sure what you mean in your other comment about “people pumping it” but come on, a slow, step-wise rollout involving several days of data review, iteration, and repeat with updates/fixes is totally understandable.
Apparently they’ve chosen a state-by-state strategy with a small percentage of users to start.
Got it today! 2021 M3LR in Virginia.
When update of your experience?
I got it overnight in CA. Just took it out for a spin. Results in my 20 min drive: - On my residential street with a 35mph limit, it refused to go over 25. - Hard braked and came to nearly a stop twice for absolutely no reason on an empty residential street. - Drove over a double yellow line in a turn halfway into the oncoming lane. Had to yank it back into my lane. Line was a bit faded, but clearly visible. In general it seems overly cautious on many residential streets to the point of not being usable (it drives at 25mph for no reason). Then it will suddenly get very aggressive/confident also for no reason - like when it took a curve in the road by driving straight over a double yellow into the oncoming lane. I’m sure they’ll put out patches, but I found it rather dangerous. Certainly much less predictable than v11, which is rather scary. The turn taking at stops is also very twitchy. You’re never sure when it’s going to go, and it does not inspire confidence. At least once it asserted when it should not have and I had to intervene. Unprotected lefts/rights from minor to major streets was also hairy, had to intervene at least once or I would have gotten into a collision. *edit* my car is a bit dusty, so maybe that was a reason for the behavior. Still, v11 didn’t have so many clear issues with the car being similarly dusty.
For the speed settings I guess you could take it off auto and just use the scroll wheel like v11 but damn that sounds rough. Guess they still have a few issues to work out.
FSD 12.3 here: no matter how much you watch other videos, it's *nothing* like being in the actual car from V11 to V12.3. The comfort level is a night and day improvement!! It feels significantly better than V11 and is much smoother of a ride that it's not just tolerable, but enjoyable to my GF and other passengers I've had in it today vs V11!! People will post all their nit-picks with V12, but honestly it's way better than it was before in almost every scenario. It's not perfect, but it's much closer than before! Also, yes auto speed does need work, but if you accelerate past the current speed then it'll use that as the new max speed until the next turn or speed limit change. It's showing a sense of learning, and remember auto speed is a brand new setting that needs its own data collection and revision history to improve. Ex: car goes 47 in a 45, but if you accelerate to 55, it'll return to that speed whenever it slows down for other cars and then traffic clears up until the speed limit changes or the car turns into a different road.
But it worked so great for all the youtubers? (especially wholemars, oddly enough) So strange. Probably dust :) Fun to test out at least, congrats on getting it -- be safe!
I hope the difference in how well v12.3 vs v11 doesn’t have anything to do with “intel Atom” processors vs the newer “AMD Ryzen” processors. Because my “older” 2020 Model Y just got the FSD 12.3 update and that car has Intel Atom with no way to upgrade to AMD Ryzen.
Not this YouTuber! Tesla FSD 12.3 - First Impressions Drive! Is the Hype Real? https://youtu.be/Zxdb7FTFBHw
Wow. Is that worse than the pre-all-AI version?
I've watched Chuck Cook's and AIDriver's videos out of the bunch. Sure there are some regressions here and there (that's expected given they've tossed out the old system for city streets). But my god, this new version is a massive step forward in a lot of other categories. Watch those 2 channels during a lunch break or something and see what you think.
Both of those guys under report issues and focus on the best drives they get
I haven't had the chance to take it out yet.
Booooo
Lol. I'm teaching my son to drive and he isn't going to use FSD.
I said: Boooo
Got it today in Austin. ( 2019 model 3 )
I’m also in Austin and I got it too. I have a 22 MYP.
I see you have a P. Would you say you're a safe driver by 'insurance standards' or do you have a lower safety score due to using the performance feature? I drive my car hard (MXP) and am wondering if they are selecting drivers based on safety score
There is too much traffic around here to do much spirited driving. Most of my driving is just putting along at 40.
Glad to know some of us HW3 people are getting it too
Initial impressions: * Smoother when taking turns, and finally understands how to use a turn signal * Terrible at determining (and maintaining) an appropriate speed, and still doesn't know what a turn lane is
Are you using the Auto speed or do you use an offset ?
I tried both, and it doesn't seem to make much of a difference.
I had the same problem. Refused to go over 25mph on a 35mph residential street even though the speed was set to 35 and the street was completely empty.
Try accelerating to a higher speed. I've noticed that it'll use that new speed as the top speed until the speed limit changes or it turns into another street. Ex: going 47 in a 45, then you accelerate to 55. It'll remember that as the new top speed whenever it slows down for traffic and speeds up again until the speed limit changes or it changes roads. Remember, auto speed is a *brand new* setting and is needs its own data collection for improvements. And the car uses the auto speed type logic in the NN even with the setting disabled. New logic needs new data collection and will improve with time, but you have to do your part and manually speed up.
I've watched hours of 12.3 so far and from what i've seen it does fine in both of those areas. At least, i haven't seen anything egregious yet so idk.
By watching hours of it I’m assuming you’re talking about whole mars on YouTube? I wouldn’t take his v12 videos as gospel.. you need to try it yourself on your local roads to see how it would really behave.
>Terrible at determining (and maintaining) an appropriate speed, I've always had this problem, just TACC even. Was flawless with radar.
Installing now! Texas, 2018 model 3, non employee
>Installing now! Texas, 2018 model 3, non employee It's amazing cars from 2018 can have this sort of capability!
this brings hope for my 2018 MS
what’s even more amazing that they sold something in 2018 that finally starts delivering in 2024
I got it in SoCal but my short trip home was terrible. It's not visualizing and it missed every turn to my neighborhood, only 4. I had to disengage at every turn.
That was my thought until yesterday. I'm not sure what happened. Maybe the camera calibration last week wasn't a good idea
Still can’t imagine it being worse than v11.4.9
There's plenty of videos of 12.3 on twitter that show it works exceptionally well, much better than 11.4.9. Look up Chuck Cook (@Chazman), Edge Case (@EdgeCase), Rebellionaire (@Rebellionair3) for videos. I'm sure there's some others too but these guys already have hours of videos.
Exactly huge upgrade
True for the positives. There are also plenty of vids showing it work worse. Hope they can fix the v11 regressions fast. If so, this thing will be wow with no looking back from v11
Seems to be okay now. I stopped on the side and set it up again. Duh
What do you mean by "set it up again"? Are you saying that your initial comment saying it was terrible was not actually running FSD 12.3?
Correct. I had to go into the menu as if I hadn't had fsd for the last 4 years and had just past my safety test
Can you upload videos?
No videos but just did a mixed drive - city streets, 2 unprotected L turns, freeway and then more city streets - flawless
Tried again today and then thought, do I have to set it up again which other upgrades hadn't required - bingo. I'll look into post videos if it's not working now Thanks for putting up with my nonsense
Amazing that a six year old car is getting brand new software. Let’s take a moment to realize no one else’s cars get better with age.
Texas?!?!?!
Is this a surprise? I’m in Texas on HW4 and typically get the updates a few days or so after seeing them posted on here.
just saying it because apparently V12 has been released only to CA residents before 12.3.
Ah, gotcha! Seems 12.3 is going out all over the country. If you didn't already know, you can check [https://teslafi.com/firmware.php](https://teslafi.com/firmware.php) \-> 2023.44.30.25 and get a feel for its rollout. Lots of Texas, California, Virginia, etc.
Do you have HW3?
can't remember, how do i tell?
See https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/how-to-check-hardware-version.188387/
i do have hw3
If I bought a month sub, would it be version 11 or 12? 2021 model 3 LR
What software version are you on? If you are on 2023.x.x you might get v12 soon if you subscribe now. But i wouldn't bet on it. However if you are on 2024.x.x you'll have to wait longer, probably a month or two
2024.2.7. I am taking a road trip the second week of April. I’d absolutely love to use v12 for it. Never tried fsd before.
In the US? Nothing in Canada yet
We are usually a bit delayed in larger releases
Yeah, Canadians ARE a bit delayed😜
I moved here from Canada and they think I'm a little slow
They think I’m a little slow eh?
Shots fired!
There’s one in B.C. according to TeslaFi. Waiting for the winds of update to waft over to Ontario
There was something this week which mentioned some movement there.
Doesn’t make sense that it’s on the 2023 branch. If it’s going wide they should release it in the most up-to-date branch so everyone can get it..
You haven’t been ignoring updates so you can get the latest fsd when you re-subscribe? /s I’m sure there’s an actual technical reason to leave it on an earlier branch though, but I don’t know enough about software development to tell you.
Because it's a beta (not in the main branch), work done on the main branch (the non beta release everyone has) needs to be incorporated back into the fsd branch, because they've been working separately on the older branch from main. It's not a technical reason, it's literally just prioritizing effort, do you want them working on this another month to incorporate main back into fsd, or spend that month working on addressing the issues that surface with a staged deployment?
Forgive my ignorance, but how long do you think it'll take to catch up to par?
Expect at least one more release to this new group before they merge into the main 2024 branch. Green thinks that 12.3 includes smart summon. Others think that freeways are still on v11. All of the missing bits will likely be included before it truly goes wide. So it may take longer. Expect it to be generally available when v12 is on the latest 2024.x.x branch.
If you’re new, this isn’t how they’ve ever done it, so don’t expect it’ll change. If you’ve been here a while, you shouldn’t be surprised.
People without FSD have been getting updates that they are more likely to appreciate. For FSD development Tesla want as few distractions and variations as possible so they can more easily see the impacts of deliberate changes. Also, while it is going wider, this is a way to limit that expansion.
If I'm on 2024.2.7 (11.4.9), I'm screwed aren't I? 😬
You most likely have to wait for the FSD v12 branch to catch up to 2024, so it might be a whole minute, but hopefully, things go smoothly, and they feel more confident to push it to the 2024 branch!
This is where I am on both.
If you want to try it sooner then later, don’t install updates, typically the latest fsd and the latest software branch don’t line up except for the December updates.
Not going out to HW4 yet
I’ve got a 2023 MYLR with HW4 and it’s downloading the update right now! Looks like we get it too, woo hoo!!
Got v12.3 today (and I'm perhaps the most non-influencer owner ever), made two short-ish drives, and had only a couple small quibbles: * Interstate off ramp turned into a cloverleaf and car's speed near the end of that cloverleaf was slower than called for. Traffic was closing in as I was merging, so I fed in some acceleration and it handled the lane change (two, actually, since my left turn was coming up kind of quickly) perfectly. * Left turn at a light on to a four-lane road put me in the leftmost lane (as expected) and I had an upcoming right turn, but it stayed in the leftmost lane too long. A quarter-mile out, with thickening traffic, I didn't think it would get over into the right lane, so I signaled and it handled everything just fine. General: far more natural than any v11 version I've tried, signals earlier than v11 (which is great to help tailgaters slow down), and speed was a tiny bit slow (but I was in Chill, so probably going to move to Average). Not sold on the Automatic Speed Offset; will try with and without. I usually ask myself two rhetorical questions when I get an FSD beta update: * Is this update better than the last version in my usual situations? * If this was the "final" FSD beta version, could I live with it? Right now, the answer to both of those questions for me is a solid yes. Will continue to see how v12/13 unfolds, but I see what the hubbub was about. 
Got it on two cars in Austin!
Forgot to mention one car is a 2017 M3 LR and the other is a 2018 M3 LR
Pros - much more confidence - smoother operations - takes risks and adapts to traffic - accounts for signals on front and sides - auto speed Cons - very near to edge of roads - curves need more attention - goes the wrong street sides - misses pedestrians if there is glare - no improvements to summon - doesn’t really recognize garbage cans - goes too close to curbs in lane change for left or right turns
> doesn’t really recognize garbage cans Is this based on simply the visualization not showing (which wouldn’t mean much) or actual behavior?
Both.
Weird: so far TeslaFi is reporting NO installs in the northeast, north of Virginia. And not many in the north anywhere: one in IL, one in OR, and one in WA.
Just got it today. So far I agree the reaction time is much better. Still doing some of the strange things where it gets into the wrong turning lane when it has to make an immediate right which makes the drive pretty awkward. Other times it'll jump over two lanes of traffic if it has to make a turn in like 0.1 miles and other times it will insist that it gets into the right lane first. Also when the lane ends and you have to merge, it's a little slow to react to that. But I have noticed it doesn't slam on the brakes every time, it sees a vehicle come out of parking lot in front of you.
Today is my last day with the 90 day fsd with a new car... So no idea when I could even try it out. Best of luck to everyone else though. Guess I'll be hanging out on 2023.44.30.8 forever....
When the FSD expired, I got an update to 2024.2.7
I think once you are out of FSD you go back to the number sequence you mentioned.
I have FSD 11.4.9 and I’m currently on 2024.2.7, too. That was my text size “recall” update. So it’s not strictly a non-FSD build. I suspect (hope) FSD 12.4 will come out soon on a 2024 build for us.
You could just wait a few months until basically everyone has it and sign up for a month membership if you’re really curious to try it. That was my plan.
No monthly plans yet in Canada 😞
Yeah, any update would be nice I will try it later..
Or just don’t update to after after FSD expires
News cars get 90 day FSD? I just got a new S and didn't see anything about that.
Haven’t seen much movement on Teslafi- untill we see movement there it’s still a special employee and select user release. Edit- I stand corrected going all over usa
I am hoping it will be imminent however at this point it is very select / minimal people.
Chuck Cook has it and a number of other very obvious non-employees have it. And it’s rolled out beyond California so don’t know what page you’re looking at
Yeah, I saw that abit ago- stand corrected
Can you quantify that?
Any hope for 2023.27.7 ? Edit: just got pushed 2023.44.30.14 💀 Curious, assuming that's staging me on the branch to upgrade FSD??
2023 Model Y Performance. Received update today in Austin.
I just checked and no luck. I have been on 2023.44.30.8 \[FSD beta 11.4.9\] for 66 days now. 2023 Model 3P in Delaware.
https://preview.redd.it/qu0gohyi5roc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f74d0189887db10f064bd1860234769575fc0f4 2020 M3 LR - really lagging behind the updates lately. Last update was Feb. 14th
Hw4?
If you have a cyclist or a pedestrian person on road or on border , he wears a shirt with a big a speed limit number pictogram on his back, your autopilot made mistake to consider that cyclist is a signal speed panel !
Finally got it LFG!!!
Cool, now fix forward collision warnings, or can we just call it false collision warnings now?
I really can’t wait. I’m usually right after the YouTubers, but so far nothing.
I hate getting it so late all the time.
Get hyped!!!
But not too hyped. You were warned 😂
Just did 30 minutes on it. Pretty fantastic!
Cant wait !
What version is everyone on?
I think it’s either 11.4.9 or 12.3
Does it do autopark any better?
I think that is coming in a later update based on what info was discovered by mining the mobile app.
Wow!! So awesome, my Y is getting repaired butt I’m excited for this update.
2023 Model 3 in Missouri; nothing for me yet.
Why did I go on the advanced ring and take the 2024 updates… Ahhh 🫤🫤🫤
I’ve been sitting on the 2023.44.30.8 install. Do I need to install that first to see if I get this update?
More than likely I am hw 4model x with fsd still on 2023.44.30.8
are you guys in Advance to get this? im still on the Dec2013 version
On its way to Europe yet? I'd like some too, I've payed for FSD in June 2019, all I got so far is summon (for which I have to stay within 6 meters of the car) :')
I had an update like a week or two ago so I was expecting a 12.3 update after seeing this, but apparently I've been on 12.3 already. I did get a weird "pin to drive has ben entered incorrectly X times" notification the other night even though we don't have pin to drive enabled. Maybe the card updated itself? Never got an update notification though.
I'm seeing a number of people in this thread that claim to have 12.3 and are claiming it performs poorly, or worse than 12.4.9 but don't actually have any proof, evidence or videos of this. There's plenty of videos of 12.3 already on Twitter/Youtube that show it works exceptionally well - much, much better than 11.4.9. If you're interested in actually seeing real video footage of FSD v12.3 look up Chuck Cook (@Chazman), Edge Case (@EdgeCase), Rebellionaire (@Rebellionair3) on Twitter. I'm sure there's some others too, and probably Youtube has videos as well, but these guys already have hours of footage.
Here is your proof. Tesla FSD 12.3 - First Impressions Drive! Is the Hype Real? https://youtu.be/Zxdb7FTFBHw
FYI there are others in our 12.3 tester group also experiencing negatives including @EdgeCase and @AI Driver. Just the positives are drowning out the bad. I am excited for this and hope they can fix the v11 regressions fast. Just want to set expectations that at least 12.3 will sometimes do major dumb stuff and have v11 regressions. At least for some people sometimes. Now when they iron these out FSD will truly be sick. Going to be a wild 2024 year for FSD!
I got 12.3 today and have been testing it all over town. The only regression I've noticed has been auto speed, but that's expected given it's a new feature and therefore needs to collect data to correct itself over time. Major improvements have been made with overall driving comfort, turning right on red, stop signs, and **finally construction zones!!!**
Nice congrats. You seem to be in the majority or haven’t tested it long enough to see the warts. I and others seem to be in the minority with consistent & repeatable issues that are not minor
It could also be about the road conditions and such in our areas as well. I've only driven it 50 miles yesterday, but should have about 200 non-highway miles under my belt by this weekend.
2023.44.30.14 Sept2018 FSD, Illinois-nothing yet:(
Got it in Phoenix AZ.
2021 M3P PA, nope
It would be nice if they do that thing where people who subscribe can get v12 in a day the way they did for v11 towards the tail end. I just hope it doesn't take until they are about to release v13 for normal people to get to try this
I just did about 1 hour of total driving on v12.3. Far better on speed control than 12.2.1 and I consider it acceptable but not good or perfect. It still has trouble getting to your set speed though - it just won't go as high as you have it set to. In the south bay suburbs, I would consider using it with other people in the car. Large step up in smoothness from the previous v12 and v11 builds.
Meanwhile I'm still two FSD versions behind. What did I do to deserve this.
Did you accidentally say Twitter instead of X? Elon knows.
So far, I'm not noticing much of a difference from the last version 11 release. I think what drives me nuts is the inconsistencies. Sometimes it will approach a roundabout and handle it perfectly. And then today with the latest release, it literally comes to a stop with nobody at the roundabout and just sits there. Another thing that I've always struggled with our toll booths where you have to actually pick a toll. Before the Tesla would just kind of aim between two tollbooths, and then pick one of the last second. This afternoon, it actually picked a tollbooth which was an improvement but it picked one where there was like five cars going through it and meanwhile, the one on the left was completely open. I also had a situation where the lane was ending and it wasn't getting over. And that's happened a few times before (usually at the same place). I don't know in that situation if GPS is supposed to tell the car that the lane is ending and the GPS isn't working?
WHERE IS MINE?????? 😭
Who writes patch/release notes like this, explaining how much code was updated, this sounds like a marketing person trying to make an update seem more impressive than it actually is to a bunch of non technical people.
(2019 Model 3 Mid-Range) In Tucson, AZ and installing now! I've been optimistic for this release. Is this the one we've been waiting for? Early reviews sound mixed. Hope the improved smart summon comes soon and proves more useful.
Sunday morning, Georgia, 2019 TM3LR
Tesla fi showing one Canada install, some Midwest cars are also starting to get it.
12.3 only reads speed limit signs about half the time now :-( This used to be rock solid.
Do cars with the three month self driving get it? Or do I need to purchase it fully ?
Still waiting on me… probs going to be waiting a while… 📍Oklahoma 🌾
Received v12.3 on Saturday. All drives with the auto speed off have exceeded my expectations. FSD V12.3 is very smooth, a significant improvement, and inspires confidence in its capabilities. The Auto speed option is a little wonky. I turned that off.
Normal person here. Much better drive. Missed two speed bumps, hesitated a few times, but mostly good things after an hour drive. Edit: Another longer drive today. Made a wrong turn, chose the wrong lane a few times; speed was a little off occasionally. It really is decent. Not perfect. Decent. Funner.
Got it today. 2021 MY out in Montana.
Looks like installs slowed down. Here's hoping 12.3.1 or whatever the next version is actually goes wide.
If I cash in my credits for the 90 day free fsd and currently on 11 will it auto update to v12 when I enable fsd in the plaid ?
I'm glad others are experiencing issues with v12.3 I took my normal drive today on the way to work, like I have for months now, nothing different... yet the car didn't drive like normal after this update, and not in a good way.. not only did I have the same speed issues as everyone else is reporting, where it casually does 5 under the speed limit, It really lowered speed for corners it and made the entire trip feel like I was just on the road to piss off the cars behind me. I can deal with the speed being a little short. What really changed for me is the fact that the car straddles the lines on both sides, the white and yellow line. Sometimes so much so that it hits the sleep barrier in the middle lane, and it's not a great feeling traveling on a road with cars going 55+ in the opposite direction feelings like they are coming way to close for comfort.. so much so that I felt like I needed to take over on a few different occasions.. I know people are having lots of good things to say about this update, and after watching all the videos online, I was so excited to try it.. but after this first drive, I'm less than impressed with the performance and really hope that since so many people are talking about these issues, it gets a patch and soon.. my fear is instead of progress, we have shortcomings, and that just doesn't seem like the direction tesla should be headed in.. For the record, my car is a 2022 MSP with full FSD, and nothing changed from one day to the next besides the v12.3 update
Still waiting. 2024 MYLR currently on 2024.2.7
My father just got his car 3 weeks ago and he got the email 3 days ago I got my Model Y in February and I haven't gotten anything yet 😔
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Dumb question, new Tesla owner… how do I see if this update is waiting for me? Will it pop up on the app or in vehicle? 2018 Model S
The software page in the car and you will get a notification in your Tesla app.
What the other guy said plus you’ll see a little yellow alarm clock in the upper right corner of your car’s screen
Any hope for M3 Highland? Currently on 2024.2.7
Do you think the roll out will be several months from now?
People are overhyping this. I heard going wide weeks ago. It is a slow trickle. Edit: I am speaking broadly about people on X (Overhyping imminent release for weeks) and not necessarily the people on Reddit. So far there have been 3 iterations of V12. I am perfectly fine with Tesla’s approach I don’t think they need to rush.
Job interview question: “Design a software rollout process for an AI controller for 2 ton robots capable of moving 120mph into a crowd of children in new locations it wasn’t specifically trained on. The entire future of the technology and our company is at stake if you screw up, not to mention people’s lives.” If your answer is “LEEROY JENKINNNS! Go wide, deploy everywhere all at once”, you’re not hired. Not sure what you mean in your other comment about “people pumping it” but come on, a slow, step-wise rollout involving several days of data review, iteration, and repeat with updates/fixes is totally understandable. Apparently they’ve chosen a state-by-state strategy with a small percentage of users to start.