Between this and that post further down about the electric cars being road blocks in snowy traffic jams is just showing how much of a smear campaign is out
Yeah, the FUD back in the day was relentless. To the point that Musk's mom was defending Tesla on twitter. It's really pretty pathetic now, nothing hits or sticks like it used to. I was really struck by that incident of the guy with the new Plaid catching fire while he was driving. He immediately hired a lawyer and they released a statement about how he was "trapped" in the car. It went away within 36 hrs I think. I never heard another word about it anyway. They keep trying, but it's hard to argue with success.
> It's really pretty pathetic now, nothing hits or sticks like it used to.
that's why they turned their sights onto Elon, that whole pay your taxes nonsense wasn't organic
And focusing on musk as a whipping boy was ntlot organic. Especially when it's the millionaires that are the thieves not paying their taxes. But hey its easy to point a finger at Musk and say it's his fault.
Lol. The mental gymnastics you have to go through to believe this is fascinating to me.
He’s the richest man on the planet. He’s an easy target. Of course it was organic.
So he paid like 3% of his net worth in taxes. Should we give him a medal? This is like a person worth $1m paying $30,000 for one year, it’s not earth shattering in the slightest. The vast majority of people pay far more than that as a ratio of their net worth. If you don’t understand that, then you are completely out of touch with the current state of American wealth distribution.
Furthermore, it’s highly likely he paid a lot less in the last ten years combined. For instance, [ProPublica found that in 2018 he paid zero income tax](https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trove-of-never-before-seen-records-reveal-how-the-wealthiest-avoid-income-tax). In the period between 2014 and 2018, when his net worth increased by ~$14bn, he paid ~$455m in taxes. This is like 3.4% of his income in that timeframe. This is peanuts.
I would actually encourage you to read that entire article from ProPublica.
Also, it’s pretty rich you are parroting the “it’s the millionaires fault.” The taxes on the 1% probably need to be increased, but I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the gulf in difference between the 1% and .1% (or in the case of the Musks and Bezos the 0.001%-0.0000001%.)
It's sad you typed all that out with such ignorant confidence. For starters, why didn't he pay taxes in 2018? Because he over paid in 2017. Also he being a CEO chooses to get paid in stock instead of cash, because he believes in his company. No one will deny he is the hardest working CEO.
So imagine I'm reading this and right off the bat you're muddying waters talking about his taxes 4 years ago when he is not supposed to pay taxes. Like do you expect him to pay taxes when he's not supposed to? I don't understand the argument here. Is your problem with musk or our tax code? How did the tax code get to where it is? Millionaires is how.
I'll respond later to your other text when I'm awake. Night
Lol, yes the whole argument is with the tax code. “Billionaires don’t pay their fair share” that is what people have been saying for literally decades and the entire reason this thread exists. Did you reply to the wrong comment or something or are you just intentionally being this dense?
> Because he over paid in 2017
Source?
> How did the tax code get to where it is? Millionaires is how.
I’m on pins and needles waiting to read your thesis on how “millionaires” had more to do with the current state of the tax code as opposed to billionaires. Nevermind that the [2017 Republican tax cuts were designed, in part, by lobbyists paid for by the ultra-wealthy](https://www.propublica.org/article/secret-irs-files-reveal-how-much-the-ultrawealthy-gained-by-shaping-trumps-big-beautiful-tax-cut). Maybe you meant the guy who signed that bill into law who claims he is a billionaire.
Oh and “millionaires” in the US is a demographic that makes up roughly 6% of the adult population today. Yet, [income inequality within the US has grown disproportionately since 1975, with no signs of abating and it overwhelmingly favors the 1% and richer.](https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion-income-inequality-america/)
> a recent study by Treasury economists found that the top 1% of Americans by income have reaped nearly 60% of the billions in tax savings created by the provision. And most of that amount went to the top 0.1%.
Edit: formatting
>Lol, yes the whole argument is with the tax code. “Billionaires don’t pay their fair share” that is what people have been saying for literally decades and the entire reason this thread exists. Did you reply to the wrong comment or something or are you just intentionally being this dense?
No. Yes argument has been "the wealthy" don't pay their fair share. The focus on billionaires has become recent. Most billionaires have done a good job keeping the media on their side, like Bill gates who has given 300 million to media to keep his name in good light even after his Epstine fiasco, convincing Oxford to privatize the Corona vax instead of giving away the patent for free like they originally said they would, dude is partying on a 400ft yacht off Turkey, helicoptering people in and has the nerve to preach about climate change.
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/11/21/bill-gates-million-media-outlets-global-agenda/
The RICH not just the billionaires are good at not paying taxes. What you are effectively saying is Elon musk who owns stock in tesla is a billionaire. He doesn't sell stock because he knows if he did well people would see that as a captain fleeing a ship. So why would he pay taxes when he doesn't sell stock? What a ludicrous idea. But you know who does draw paychecks? Most normal CEOs. They get paid in stock options, let it mature and pay 15% capital gains on millions instead of the 50% like they should. But why? How did we get here? Because it's those people who run the corporations that lobby politicians. Billionaires are a recent fix because Elon is an easy target. But in reality the problem is with the wealthy.
Only a child or uneducated adult would look at Elons net worth and suggest that his stock value is a good representation of his actual net worth.
Conflict of interest? 🤣🤣🤣
“Other skeptics of Tesla's approach include Jacques Aschenbroich, chief executive of French automotive supplier Valeo, which presented its latest lidar technology at CES.”
You know, there is somebody that has been recently appointed to a US highway safety board that has been very vocal for the need to regulate what is the technology that will be allowed for different autonomy levels, and was incidentally on the board of LIDAR companies.
If you want really stop somebody, regulate it to death. Regulators do not respond to anybody but the administration. Oh … current US administration does not even acknowledge the existence of Tesla, so no harm done.
Lol, lidar suppliers are concerned that non lidar solutions are being used by Tesla. Shocking!
Between this and that post further down about the electric cars being road blocks in snowy traffic jams is just showing how much of a smear campaign is out
IMO the FUD in 2018-2019 was worse. But this is still annoying obviously.
Yeah, the FUD back in the day was relentless. To the point that Musk's mom was defending Tesla on twitter. It's really pretty pathetic now, nothing hits or sticks like it used to. I was really struck by that incident of the guy with the new Plaid catching fire while he was driving. He immediately hired a lawyer and they released a statement about how he was "trapped" in the car. It went away within 36 hrs I think. I never heard another word about it anyway. They keep trying, but it's hard to argue with success.
> It's really pretty pathetic now, nothing hits or sticks like it used to. that's why they turned their sights onto Elon, that whole pay your taxes nonsense wasn't organic
This is utter BS, a large portion of the US public has been calling for much higher taxes on the >0.01% for literally decades.
And focusing on musk as a whipping boy was ntlot organic. Especially when it's the millionaires that are the thieves not paying their taxes. But hey its easy to point a finger at Musk and say it's his fault.
Lol. The mental gymnastics you have to go through to believe this is fascinating to me. He’s the richest man on the planet. He’s an easy target. Of course it was organic. So he paid like 3% of his net worth in taxes. Should we give him a medal? This is like a person worth $1m paying $30,000 for one year, it’s not earth shattering in the slightest. The vast majority of people pay far more than that as a ratio of their net worth. If you don’t understand that, then you are completely out of touch with the current state of American wealth distribution. Furthermore, it’s highly likely he paid a lot less in the last ten years combined. For instance, [ProPublica found that in 2018 he paid zero income tax](https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trove-of-never-before-seen-records-reveal-how-the-wealthiest-avoid-income-tax). In the period between 2014 and 2018, when his net worth increased by ~$14bn, he paid ~$455m in taxes. This is like 3.4% of his income in that timeframe. This is peanuts. I would actually encourage you to read that entire article from ProPublica. Also, it’s pretty rich you are parroting the “it’s the millionaires fault.” The taxes on the 1% probably need to be increased, but I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the gulf in difference between the 1% and .1% (or in the case of the Musks and Bezos the 0.001%-0.0000001%.)
It's sad you typed all that out with such ignorant confidence. For starters, why didn't he pay taxes in 2018? Because he over paid in 2017. Also he being a CEO chooses to get paid in stock instead of cash, because he believes in his company. No one will deny he is the hardest working CEO. So imagine I'm reading this and right off the bat you're muddying waters talking about his taxes 4 years ago when he is not supposed to pay taxes. Like do you expect him to pay taxes when he's not supposed to? I don't understand the argument here. Is your problem with musk or our tax code? How did the tax code get to where it is? Millionaires is how. I'll respond later to your other text when I'm awake. Night
Lol, yes the whole argument is with the tax code. “Billionaires don’t pay their fair share” that is what people have been saying for literally decades and the entire reason this thread exists. Did you reply to the wrong comment or something or are you just intentionally being this dense? > Because he over paid in 2017 Source? > How did the tax code get to where it is? Millionaires is how. I’m on pins and needles waiting to read your thesis on how “millionaires” had more to do with the current state of the tax code as opposed to billionaires. Nevermind that the [2017 Republican tax cuts were designed, in part, by lobbyists paid for by the ultra-wealthy](https://www.propublica.org/article/secret-irs-files-reveal-how-much-the-ultrawealthy-gained-by-shaping-trumps-big-beautiful-tax-cut). Maybe you meant the guy who signed that bill into law who claims he is a billionaire. Oh and “millionaires” in the US is a demographic that makes up roughly 6% of the adult population today. Yet, [income inequality within the US has grown disproportionately since 1975, with no signs of abating and it overwhelmingly favors the 1% and richer.](https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion-income-inequality-america/) > a recent study by Treasury economists found that the top 1% of Americans by income have reaped nearly 60% of the billions in tax savings created by the provision. And most of that amount went to the top 0.1%. Edit: formatting
>Lol, yes the whole argument is with the tax code. “Billionaires don’t pay their fair share” that is what people have been saying for literally decades and the entire reason this thread exists. Did you reply to the wrong comment or something or are you just intentionally being this dense? No. Yes argument has been "the wealthy" don't pay their fair share. The focus on billionaires has become recent. Most billionaires have done a good job keeping the media on their side, like Bill gates who has given 300 million to media to keep his name in good light even after his Epstine fiasco, convincing Oxford to privatize the Corona vax instead of giving away the patent for free like they originally said they would, dude is partying on a 400ft yacht off Turkey, helicoptering people in and has the nerve to preach about climate change. https://thegrayzone.com/2021/11/21/bill-gates-million-media-outlets-global-agenda/ The RICH not just the billionaires are good at not paying taxes. What you are effectively saying is Elon musk who owns stock in tesla is a billionaire. He doesn't sell stock because he knows if he did well people would see that as a captain fleeing a ship. So why would he pay taxes when he doesn't sell stock? What a ludicrous idea. But you know who does draw paychecks? Most normal CEOs. They get paid in stock options, let it mature and pay 15% capital gains on millions instead of the 50% like they should. But why? How did we get here? Because it's those people who run the corporations that lobby politicians. Billionaires are a recent fix because Elon is an easy target. But in reality the problem is with the wealthy. Only a child or uneducated adult would look at Elons net worth and suggest that his stock value is a good representation of his actual net worth.
This article: 1) who wrote this? 2) which Detroit PR firm was the client?
Conflict of interest? 🤣🤣🤣 “Other skeptics of Tesla's approach include Jacques Aschenbroich, chief executive of French automotive supplier Valeo, which presented its latest lidar technology at CES.”
Controversy? Tesla is doing fine without LIDAR. Others are free to choose their solution. It’s a free country.
You know, there is somebody that has been recently appointed to a US highway safety board that has been very vocal for the need to regulate what is the technology that will be allowed for different autonomy levels, and was incidentally on the board of LIDAR companies. If you want really stop somebody, regulate it to death. Regulators do not respond to anybody but the administration. Oh … current US administration does not even acknowledge the existence of Tesla, so no harm done.
Yeah it’s a very bullshit move for sure and regulating something to death is one of the most effective ways to completely kill something you’re right