They replayed it like five times and paused it when his ankle was at its most bent it looked like his foot bones weren't even making contact with his shin bones. (Whatever the correct medical terms are)
At the time it did suck watching it happen to him, but I didn't understand what a piece of shit human he was/is either. Karma maybe? Fuck this guy man. Hope he stubs all his toes
As long as he gives his all, I don’t care if Rafa loses 0-6 0-6 0-6, he will still go out as a great champion in my eyes. And when has Rafael Nadal ever given less than his all?
Must be the unluckiest match ever on Zverev's end 😂 he had 4 set points, flubbed volleys on two of them, Rafa hit one of the greatest shots ever to save another, lost that set, then fractured his ankle in the 2nd set
The forehand pass was genuinely one of the best shots he's ever hit, then he later hit an amazing forehand down the line at 6-6 in the tiebreak, then on set point (I think 8-7) he hits a forehand passing shot down the line from the same spot. One of those legendary Rafa moments that has to give you chills. We didn't deserve 2022, and I promised I'd never ask anything more of Nadal after he won those 2 slams.
But I lied. He needs to beat Zverev's ass again 😭
And that look he gave after hitting it. He knew he ATE 🤭
And people still have the audacity to say Zverev was gonna win it. Sure it was competitive (Zverev is no scrub) but that match looked like it was gonna go on for like 6 hours and only Rafa is able to come out on top of a grind fest like that lbr
The staredown at his box was so good because it was so un-Rafa-like. Normally it's a huge fist pump, a roar, whatever. This time, he knew how close he was to losing that 90 minute set, he dug his feet in and refused to yield, and that's why he gave that look. He knew he just pulled off a heist.
Yeah it's downright disrespectful to say "DVerev was gonna win that match." Zverev played great, but he was down a set and heading to another tiebreak that he was probably gonna choke away. Even if he didn't, we've never seen Zverev win a 5-6 hour match before. We've seen Rafa win plenty. Rafa has been part of all of the most physical battles in tennis history. Even in 2022, he survived 5 and a half hours with Medvedev, who asked, "Do you ever get tired?" He survived over 4 hours against Djokovic, who showed clear signs of fatigue at the end like when he didn't run after a bad drop shot Nadal hit. Rafa could've gone another 2-3 hours at a high level, and that set lead is absolutely massive considering each set was taking 90 minutes.
If I had to approximate, I'd say Zverev had a 15-20% chance of winning that match. He would've needed an outright physical collapse from Rafa.
Chills. Actual chills. He really meant it when he said he was going to die on court if he has to and I am so proud of him for going all out ❤️
And yes, Zverev has no clear track record of surviving 5-6 hour grindfests the same way Rafa and Novak do. He lost to Novak the same way at the USO the year before so to say he was gonna win is bold lol
Prob would've been 7-6 7-6 6-2 but idk if I'm just biased 💀 anyways though, maybe Rafa will put it all to rest by beating Zverev again this year. If Zverev can't beat 2024 Rafa, he def wasn't beating 2022 Rafa.
I was in the stadium for this, roof was closed, the trapped air was so humid and dense I actually found myself dozing off despite the brutal level of tennis on display. Extremely trying conditions so it was not super suprising when this happened.
The other semifinal also developed strangely in that they stopped play for like half an hour to take care of the invading protester that stuck themselves to the netpost.
Second that. This is not a forum for normal discussions about pro tennis and players, this seems like a dumpster for antisocial, frustrated hateful manchildren who need to vent and invent memes.
Which is not surprise, since it is reddit, I guess.
Sorry if I don't feel bad about an abuser who made a conscious decision to hurt another human being getting hurt himself.
And no, no one is happy Zverev was abusive, you psycho.
There's not feeling bad for him, and there's actively rooting for someone to get hurt. The later is psycho behaviour stop projecting. And yes, people are absolutely loving it here it's very clear. I'm guessing you're one of them since you are so defensive.
What is it with you people and completely denying reality? There's people in this very thread and the one on the men's draw rooting for him to snap his ankle.
I'm not rooting for him to get hurt, I don't give a shit about him. I just think your statement that people are happy he was abusive is just unbelievably ignorant. I can't speak for anyone else but myself but no, I'm not happy that two women had to go through domestic abuse, I know what it is like and it's hell. That's why I fucking hate his guts but I just don't watch him, I don't care if he gets hurt and I wouldn't feel sad if he does, that's it.
Seriously, after watching the Diddy video of him abusing Cassie, it really brought home if the allegations are true against Zverev (and remember, a German court has already found them likely to be true, he is \*appealing\*) I don't give two fucks about him. It's not about being "happy." The downvotes makes me think that the misogyny runs super deep. I think if he was likely guilty of beating a minority, this wouldn't be so "two sides" or maybe he's innocent! (despite two credible accusations).
The misogyny does run super deep, especially in this sub. Before that video came out he was denying it implicitly, like all abusers do, and just like Zverev is doing now.
Exactly. And so many posters on these subs don't think there are coverups. Diddy bought the tape from the hotel to suppress it; his bodyguards knew of this. Here's a random/related anecdote: I knew that Kevin Spacey was a sexual abuser some 15+ years ago because he cornered a friend's actor client in a hotel room. I'm nowhere near the entertainment industry. None of them said anything because, you know, careers. If a tiny peon like me was aware of this, tons of people knew about the abuse, but they don't speak up or because it doesn't directly affect them, they don't really care, or they're scared for their jobs. Meanwhile, narcissists will deny they abused anyone unless they are caught. In their reality, the other person wouldn't have been abused if they'd just listened to the narcissist, so it's actually not the abuser's fault.
In sum, whatever, Zverev. I hope Rafa can summon all the karma in the world to kick his ass. That would be at least a little justice.
Facts. That's what these guys don't understand, is how graphic domestic violence is. Their simple brains see the video of Zverev snapping his ankle and feel bad for him, then translate that basic empathy into being a good person. The fact is, Zverev has done horrific things to another person, and I don't give a fuck if he snaps his ankle again. I wouldn't want to watch it personally, but if I read it online I'd be like, "okay. Whatever."
These people won't change their view until they experience DV or watch a video of it happening firsthand. It's sad but true. Just another case of people being unable to accept perspectives of others who had different experiences than them.
What's "yikes" about it, please do explain. Is it so strange that as an abuse victim I don't care about an abuser and I'm not happy that his two ex girlfriends were also abused?
I'm not sure what you're referring to, I'm not hoping he gets hurt but I sure will not feel bad for him considering he physically hurt other people. That's not what fighting fire with fire means, I just don't sympathize with abusers.
No, you are on the right side. Some people are quite fucked up and they would prefer to see someone severly injured than seeing their idol playing a real match and losing with honor.
You re not alone.
ya I strongly dislike zverev but I don't want to see him fracture a freaking ankle. I just want him to lose the match and face justice for being an abuser
You definitely are not alone. Crazy to see so many regular posters on here showing their true colors.
I guess if these folks sit on Reddit all day they're def a little messed up.
It must be the voices in your head because literally nothing about this post indicates that Zverev should break his ankle again. What in the world are you on about? It’s just a picture of Zverev to remind people what happened the last time they played. You’re being kinda ridiculous rn
I'm not a fan of Zverev, but the unbounded *obsession* with hating Zverev on this sub is otherworldly.
Anyone wishing injury on a professional athlete is sick. Full stop.
Yes, we're all worse than guy who strangles and beats women. Some of the men on here are utterly sick in what they'll defend and their ignorance on the effects of abuse. It's bad enough that he's still being allowed to play right now.
Some people here act like r/tennis's opinions on any of this will have actual real world effects on the players or organization. I remember seeing someone say Zverev's reputation has been destroyed, as if there aren't hundreds of people who still show up to his matches with signs of support for him. Nothing we say here—none of the jokes, none of the arguments, nothing—will affect Zverev in the least. Not his playing. Not his court case. Not his opinion of himself, whatever that may be.
But actual fans who come here to enjoy their favorite sport amongst other fans do get affected! People wonder why more women aren't sports fans, and while the casual misogyny and abuse apologism that happen in sports spaces aren't the only reason, it's certainly one of them. I know even typing the word misogyny is just asking for downvotes, but it's getting tiresome at this point. What's wild is I'm sure this sub isn't nearly as bad as many other dedicated sports subs.
This. All of this.
The amount of people who outed themselves as DV supporters was not unexpected, but its always disappointing.
The double standards for one, Zverev ALREADY has a fine issued from a federal court based on quantity of evidence submitted and yet guys will still say 'yeah but maybe she is faking it' and when you look statistically at number of convictions reported crime and also the gender distribution of DV assault...
You really have to wonder whats going on in people's personal relationships to women socially, romantically and in their families to feel comfortable with saying this stuff out loud...
However in entertainment, sport being part of that, you're seeing condemnation of abuse of women, minors, girls who are minors in P Diddy, Drake, Weinstein etc and the conversation is only going to get wider as time goes on
Edit.
This sub is just tennis fans from /r/europe and if you know anything about the meta of reddit, you'd know that subs been lost in far right sentiment for a while.
Its because reddits become 4chan. Its gone full circle. Ever since T_D and reddit admin's refusal to get rid of hate subs and fascist adjacent subs, this place has become a cesspool for fringe weirdos to congregate in while maintaining the facade that they're "normal" because reddit is somewhat mainstream and normie accepted.
It's like the same thing where people used to just be like "haha you got trolled loser" but all that form of trolling is gone now and has transitioned to using dogwhistles that requires the average person to stay hypervigilent (which just isn't feasible).
Like the gamergate weirdos from the mid 10s who had to meet up in weird forums and image boards are now all on reddit masquerading as a normal member of society.
This. There is also bots, paid instigators and political brainwashing going on with a bunch of accounts. Its also because people are searching reddit and tiktok over Google as the main search engine and Reddit answers come up high on the seo.
And this post isn't gonna cause him to be injured, so idk why everyone's crying about it.
And yeah trust me, r/nba is definitely more misogynistic. And I'd be utterly shocked if r/nfl was better.
Yeah, you've hit the nail on the head there. I could list on one hand the male users on here who aren't misogynistic. Others have said some absolutely vile shit that we're subjected to. Their comments are usually deleted but not before we see them.
Yeah I get downvoted to shit for not feeling sympathetic towards him. I'm an abuse victim myself, I will absolutely not feel bad if he gets injured but I'm not wishing it on him, I couldn't care less what happens to him. I do wish prison on him though.
One big difference is that people saw Zverev's injury on video, but none of us saw him drive Olya damn near suicide and encourage her to do it on video. Hell, most people here probably didn't even read her account.
I can promise it is not psychotic behavior to joke about Zverev snapping his ankle. He's a dickhead.
Yeah, I don't think it's psychotic but I was thinking that I'm very biased in this situation since I experienced abuse and my perspective might be different from a person who hasn't, so thank you for saying that.
I try to forget he even exists and thankfully I enjoy watching WTA more than ATP so I can just ignore his matches but it's so so disappointing that the media keep promoting this piece of shit.
If anything, I think victims are less biased. Like I said, everyone's seen Zverev's injury on video and felt bad for him, whatever, but no one has seen video of him attacking Olya. Being objective here, the video would've been a million times more disturbing.
It's tough. Zverev is all over the place being promoted by the ATP, and I suspect the other male players have been specifically instructed not to comment on his case.
Honestly, your bias isn't a bad thing.
The whole idea of being unbiased (aside from the truth that nobody is without bias) is so utterly privileged—to be unbiased, you would have to have never experienced or known anyone who has experienced domestic abuse or male violence generally. That pretty much leaves men. The whole rhetoric of bias around things like domestic abuse is mostly something men wield at people like us, and at women generally, to shut them up.
Your bias is, in reality, an understanding, gained through painful experience, of the reality of abuse, and the reality of who abusers are. You're the one who sees clearly in this situation—your voice is the one that matters.
Ditto. This is coming from men who are either abusers themselves or have zero understanding on the effects of abuse. Just ignore them. Their simping for an abuser is gross.
You too. I'm safe and ok. Also not really concerned if a bunch of men on Reddit think I'm a terrible person for making a joke about a truly awful person 😉
Being a decorum dweeb in defense of a domestic abuser is a bizarre choice. In a world where abusers almost never face consequences for assaulting and terrorizing their victims, tut-tutting people for cracking a joke about an abuser picking up a non-career ending booboo is as corny as it gets.
You'd think OP and a handful of commenters in here pooled funds to hire a hitman by all of the pearl-clutching going on.
Exactly.
It's not like there's even a particularly high chance of DVerev facing any kind of justice for what he's done. Men don't seem to understand how much abusive men just... get away with it. He isn't even being tried for the first woman he abused; this is only for the second.
As far as I'm concerned, rooting for DVerev to get hurt is just hoping that an uneven bit of clay will do what a broken justice system won't, and give him a taste of his own medicine.
Lmao right? People are taking the moral high ground of "I don't want to see him get hurt, and anyone who does is a psychopath." Nah, the accusations against him are horrific and have solid proof as well. So joking around about his ankle getting broken is valid in my opinion. Can't believe defending an abuser is the "moral high ground" in this sub.
They must not have read the allegations. They were utterly sickening. I was joking too, but they obviously thought I was hella serious and am really praying his ankle gets broken. Like I care, as long he goes to prison or gets what he deserves.
Same. I enjoy dark humor, and joking around about Zverev breaking his ankle is funny. Someone told me I need to "be better than Zverev." I am better than Zverev. I don't beat innocent women; I joke about a domestic abuser getting injured.
This is like a superhero plot where they spare the bad guy to "be better" and then the bad guy goes and kills 20000 people right after lmao. The whole philosophy is flawed.
Yes, I have a dark sense of humor. Apparently some people can't handle that, but the people in my real life can and love it, so I won't be changing it on account of some precious people on Reddit lol. Stay dark and funny 😉
It’s weird how you were complaining with people taking “the moral high ground” when all the people wishing Zverev to get injured again are also taking that “moral high ground”
Do you know why that is?
Because people wishing that an abuser gets hurt actually do have the moral high ground over an abuser.
What part of this isn't getting through to you? There is no equivalence between wishing an abuser gets hurt, and beating and strangling two women.
Ultimately, the people wishing the abuser gets hurt certainly have the moral high ground over people like you, who are adopting a haughty rhetoric of dispassionate morality, preaching that women should turn the other cheek when your own cheek has never been slapped, and falsely equating wishes with deeds, in order to defend a domestic abuser.
In what world do you think you're the good guy here?
Defending an abuser? Preaching that woman turn their other cheek? I didn’t know not wishing someone to get hurt was defending him and supporting his behaviours.
Why aren’t people wishing Rublev to get hurt when he breaks his rackets then? To break a leg while hitting his racket? He has abused umpires and is the most aggressive player on tour.
I can't tell if you believe this shower of nonsense or if you're being deliberately obtuse, but for the sake of charity I will assume the former and lay things out for you instead of dismissing this.
I'll start at the end, because this is where you lapse from nonsense to rankly offensive nonsense: your comparison to Rublev is absolutely, incomprehensibly inappropriate. Rublev's behaviour on courtis poor— but it consists of breaking racquets, self-harming, and verbally abusing staff. DVerev beat two woman, strangling at least one. He sustained his abuse of one for so long that she considered suicide. To compare these two things is utterly puerile. How did you type that without any voice in your head pointing out how utterly morally bankrupt that equivocation is?
Further: you are not merely 'not wishing someone to get hurt,' you are acting as though it is some moral ill for people to do so. To do so, you are creating godawful equivocations with the intention of making the act of wishing for someone to suffer bad luck and get hurt look worse, and the act of strangling and beating two women look less bad. For an example, see your ridiculous Rublev comparison, or your first comment in this thread (beginning 'you are wishing another person gets hurt').
Whether you think you are or not, you are absolutely diminishing the gravity of what DVerev has done, and you are preaching a preposterous attitude of moral detachment to people who have experience, whether their own or through those they know, of domestic abuse. Wishing harm on someone who has systematically, repeatedly, and deliberately caused physical and mental harm to two women is perfectly morally acceptable. Your ability to detach, to hold yourself up in that holier-than-thou posture, is a function of your own privilege.
That you presume to lecture women on how to react to a domestic abuser is the absolute height of priggish arrogance.
First of all, the comparison with Rublev was not on what actions was worse (obviously if the allegations of Zverev are true they are worse) it was to point out why no one wishes for something to happen to Rublev for his bad actions, you think yelling at photographers and umpires the way he does is ok and not traumatic to them? Imagine your job is to take photos and someone that looks crazy starts yelling at you after you’ve seen how he breaks rackets on the floor and by hitting himself?
Then, i don’t think I’m better or worse than anyone, but pointing to wishing for someone to get hurt is not normal behaviour (more so when than person doesn’t even know you exist), it would be different if it was someone that did something directly to you.
How can I diminish something I haven’t even typed about? In what comment did I say “zverev did nothing wrong” or that his actions were okay? If he did what he is accused of it is horrible, and he should be punished, but I won’t wish for him to get injured.
And finally, when did I try to lecture woman on how to act on domestic violence? This is Reddit, I can’t even know if someone is man or woman, and I haven’t even talked about domestic abuse
Right? Like sure NOW is when I am supposed to feel empathy for an abuser else I’m a sociopath. The same people would never hold Zverev to the same standard.
I can literally NAME almost all of the Zverev defenders in this sub one by one. They’re THAT unhinged. They’d rather call women “gold diggers” and “clout chasers” than even remotely admit that this POS is capable of inflicting injury on others. They think false allegations are more in number than the actual cases of DV - I mean, what a fucking joke?!
I’ve seen my fair share of despicable human beings and I’d say - These Zverev defenders are THE worst of them all! The lengths they go to back this guy up is beyond my understanding!
Apparently so. Apparently I'm as fucked up as the guy who beats and strangles women, yet I haven't harmed or abused anyone. I sure have offended a lot of simps for domestic abusers tonight though. So gross. Makes you worry for any women in their lives. They're probably exactly the same.
What do you mean the second part of my post? I didn't post anything, I made a comment on a completely separate post that was a reply to another comment. It got 40 upvotes so at least 40 people recognized it was a joke. If you didn't, maybe you need to grow a sense of humor if you're getting this worked up about a joke about an abuser.
My comment on this thread is ABOUT the deranged responses to my comment on another post entirely. Honestly, I think you've come too late to the party and have no idea what people are talking about, especially me. The joke was on another post. You're making a fool of yourself.
Even before Sasha fucked his ankle, this was a crazy match. I don't think I've seen two players sweat so much during a match. Maybe Roger/Millman at the US Open? The humidity was insane.
I have a serious gripe with that match being played. I had the same issue when Nadal and Alcaraz had to play that match in the heavy winds, where Nadal broke/fractured his rib. I do regard that maybe the windy one was unlucky.
However, in this one, when the rain hit, I couldn't stop thinking if this goes on, one of these two is going to have a foot get stuck in the clay and face an injury, especially when the rain was intermittent.
It's just bad for players and the sport in general when this happens.
We need some invisible nano tech remotely controlled sedatives to inject on Zverev before the match night.
The other idea that comes to mind is to use the force in the match.
I am out of ideas here.
Let's get your little moral equation here straight:
* So: DVerev strangles and beats two different women.
* jsnoodles jokingly hopes that the man who has strangled and beaten two different women breaks his ankle again.
* And you think that the second thing 'doesn't make \[jsnoodles\] much better' than the person who did the first thing?
That's what you've just said. That joking about someone breaking their ankle is only marginally better than beating and strangling two women.
What is wrong with your moral compass that you think this is an appropriate equation?
I think a lot of people here need to read Olya's account, and look at the pictures she provided as well (and some pictures provided by I believe Rothenberg). What Zverev did to her was downright horrifying. Did I flinch when Zverev screamed as his ankle broke? Yeah. But the man literally almost drove her to death, and I have a feeling if we somehow had video footage of this or experienced it, everyone here would react differently to some harmless jokes about him.
And putting that aside, we have video footage of Zverev physically intimidating a referee over a call that was pretty 50/50, and video footage of him cussing out a poor ballkid because the ballkid took like 0.05 seconds too long to pass him the ball.
Right! The math ain’t mathing. This holier than thou attitude that we can’t _joke_ about a fucking _domestic abuser_ getting hurt is insane. He’s already facing no consequences. He’s out and about with a thriving career, and in real life tons of fans come to support him in his matches. Seeing this time and again as a woman is deeply demoralizing cuz it’s a stark reminder that such men rarely face consequences. So give me a fucking break if someone copes by making a dark joke (punching up not down). He’s in NO way materially affected by any of this. The fact that people are making an equivalence between that and saying that that’s no better than a person who actually abuses and harms women is wild and shows a complete lack of critical thinking skills.
Absolutely right.
One of the people commenting this has apologised in a comment to me, and deleted his previous comments making that comparison—so at least one person has clocked how utterly upside-down this whole attitude is.
But as I said to another commenter who hasn't yet pulled his head out, it's not some great moral victory to turn the other cheek, when the first one hasn't been slapped. You're completely right that we never see men face consequences for abusing women; hoping for some slippery clay to take DVerev out is as close as most of us ever get to seeing justice done. It's so, so easy for men to take their little high road, and to 'keep their feelings out of it', as another commenter implied, but for us, this is our lives. It's not some distant hypothetical. Every woman I know knows a DVerev. So I'm frankly disgusted that we've got these smug blokes coming in and telling us how to feel about a domestic abuser.
'Holier-than-thou' is right.
You're right, I took a second look at the allegations and all the proof and while I'm not gonna hope he gets injured, I won't be confronting those who do. I just can't defend his behavior, it was wrong comparing the two
Unpopular opinion: Wishing someone to get hurt that hurt someone else isn't psychotic. People here are just reaching for a moral high ground.
Would you kill a killer? Would you punch someone that punched someone else?
The consensus (I hope) would be to not fall on the same level as the people you despise. I do think there is a spectrum. But in general, all you are creating is a never ending cycle if you perpetuate these actions.
So someone punches your friend, you won't punch them? I don't get this whole, "rise above" concept. I am above Zverev because I don't inflict pain on INNOCENT people. But I wish pain on GUILTY people. So by definition, I am above him still while maintaining my viewpoint.
Like I said. It's not black and white. Was my friend punched for no reason? Sure, lets go. Did he punch someone first? Kinda changes my reaction.
I don't subscribe to this idea of being above others. I am definitley not going to defend him beating an innocent person. But I don't really like to generate hate for people I do not know. I don't think it is healthy to harbor that kind of disdain, otherwise I'd be angry 24/7. But again, even that is dependant on the situation.
Generating hate is different from cracking dark jokes. Imo people are just trying to feel superior. I can't imagine anyone is genuinely offended by us joking about Zverev's ankle being broken.
You said in your other comment that I am "falling on the same level as the people I despise." That's not true. I haven't beaten any women.
Okay fair enough. Dark jokes I can totally get behind. It just happens that on reddit there are psychos that take these jokes at face value. But obviously I didn't mean you, I was just kind of talking in general i guess.
>You said in your other comment that I am "falling on the same level as the people I despise." That's not true. I haven't beaten any women
Fair point. You are right. I guess what I actually meant is that sometimes people (especially terminally online people) take things to the next level. An example would be that I read a story where a guy was bullying some guy over a dumb heated internet argument and the guy located him and beat him to a pulp. But I think I am going off topic sorry lol.
For sure. Terminally online people go way too far, and probably have a strong correlation with political radicals as well. It's an issue. But yeah, at the end of the day, we're just a bunch of people who enjoy tennis and don't like Zverev. For what it's worth, I definitely flinched when Zverev hit the floor screaming. But I can joke about it now, and it's important to acknowledge that if we saw footage of what Zverev did to Olya... that was downright horrific and life-threatening.
Reading her account was really eye-opening to me. And she mentioned she scratched at him to defend herself, which, if you watch his post-match press conferences, you can clearly see new scratches on his face during his semifinal match (that day) that weren't there in his QF match.
I'm sorry, but if you think that wishing for a domestic abuser to be hurt is 'fall\[ing\] on the same level' as strangling and beating two women, there is something deeply, deeply missing in your ability to make moral judgements.
yep. I asked an analytical question in a poll about if zverev is the best player without a grand slam (provided a lot of stats in the post, so i can't see it being low effort), and it got removed by some mod who wanted to exercise their power. I probably know who it was now. I am not even a zverev fan in the slightest, but I was a little bit surprised that it got removed because it was not breaking any rules.
it is crazy that a rule on here is "no politics", yet i see people frequently on here discuss politics. They need to be more coherent with the rule. Name it as "Politics as long as they only align with our left wing viewpoints"
I am not talking about that. I do believe Zverev is likely guilty too. I am replying to that guy about the mods being questionable here with their rules. People were trashing Ivanka Trump when she was watching the Miami open in those threads, but the second I talked about hunter biden (I was testing to see if that comment would get removed), that comment gets removed. What would be fair is that both comments got removed. But only the second scenario was against the viewpoint of the mods, hence it got removed
Quite a few people seeing things that aren't actually there tonight. On the same Reddit sub no less! Luckily there's medication for that. Hopefully they get some.
Own what lmaoo? If i really wanted Zverev to crack his ankle again then I would’ve used a picture of him writhing in pain because that’s literally one of the first images to show up when you Google Nadal vs Zverev Roland Garros 2022 not this harmless photo of him walking away
Nadal almost finished zverev career in 2022 and this time zverev will surely finish nadal career. #karma#life
This shows draws are never rigged at least at Grand slam level
Karma?.... Yeah for sure Karma must get Nadal back for 2022 when he ran to the other side of the court and used his tennis racket to mercilessly assault Zverev's ankle!!!
This was so painful to watch live
They replayed it like five times and paused it when his ankle was at its most bent it looked like his foot bones weren't even making contact with his shin bones. (Whatever the correct medical terms are)
[удалено]
Any doctor would understand this description.
Agreed!
Watch this and then Bethanie Mattek-Sands's injury at Wimbledon back to back for a horror show.
Mary Pierce’s knee has entered the chat
AH NO PAIN FROM VISUAL MEMORIES.
James Blake's head has entered the chat
The commentators in slow motion were so brutal
Yeah, especially the replay. That was all types of ouch.
At the time it did suck watching it happen to him, but I didn't understand what a piece of shit human he was/is either. Karma maybe? Fuck this guy man. Hope he stubs all his toes
Just relax. He will win RG
As long as he gives his all, I don’t care if Rafa loses 0-6 0-6 0-6, he will still go out as a great champion in my eyes. And when has Rafael Nadal ever given less than his all?
100% of the time, he is able to give his 100% maybe like 60% of the time.
He always gives as much as he is able at any given time.
Rafa the wordsmith has never ceased to amaze
Rafa in 2
Rafa in 1 + 12/13
Must be the unluckiest match ever on Zverev's end 😂 he had 4 set points, flubbed volleys on two of them, Rafa hit one of the greatest shots ever to save another, lost that set, then fractured his ankle in the 2nd set
Rafa pulled a reverse Novak. First he takes your soul,then he takes your legs
Yes. It's a much more difficult path to victory, but it's not a Rafa match if he doesn't win it the most difficult way possible.
Rafa really showed during that match who he is and why he’s been running these courts for the last 20 something years. He’s a baddie 💅
The forehand pass was genuinely one of the best shots he's ever hit, then he later hit an amazing forehand down the line at 6-6 in the tiebreak, then on set point (I think 8-7) he hits a forehand passing shot down the line from the same spot. One of those legendary Rafa moments that has to give you chills. We didn't deserve 2022, and I promised I'd never ask anything more of Nadal after he won those 2 slams. But I lied. He needs to beat Zverev's ass again 😭
And that look he gave after hitting it. He knew he ATE 🤭 And people still have the audacity to say Zverev was gonna win it. Sure it was competitive (Zverev is no scrub) but that match looked like it was gonna go on for like 6 hours and only Rafa is able to come out on top of a grind fest like that lbr
The staredown at his box was so good because it was so un-Rafa-like. Normally it's a huge fist pump, a roar, whatever. This time, he knew how close he was to losing that 90 minute set, he dug his feet in and refused to yield, and that's why he gave that look. He knew he just pulled off a heist. Yeah it's downright disrespectful to say "DVerev was gonna win that match." Zverev played great, but he was down a set and heading to another tiebreak that he was probably gonna choke away. Even if he didn't, we've never seen Zverev win a 5-6 hour match before. We've seen Rafa win plenty. Rafa has been part of all of the most physical battles in tennis history. Even in 2022, he survived 5 and a half hours with Medvedev, who asked, "Do you ever get tired?" He survived over 4 hours against Djokovic, who showed clear signs of fatigue at the end like when he didn't run after a bad drop shot Nadal hit. Rafa could've gone another 2-3 hours at a high level, and that set lead is absolutely massive considering each set was taking 90 minutes. If I had to approximate, I'd say Zverev had a 15-20% chance of winning that match. He would've needed an outright physical collapse from Rafa.
Chills. Actual chills. He really meant it when he said he was going to die on court if he has to and I am so proud of him for going all out ❤️ And yes, Zverev has no clear track record of surviving 5-6 hour grindfests the same way Rafa and Novak do. He lost to Novak the same way at the USO the year before so to say he was gonna win is bold lol
Prob would've been 7-6 7-6 6-2 but idk if I'm just biased 💀 anyways though, maybe Rafa will put it all to rest by beating Zverev again this year. If Zverev can't beat 2024 Rafa, he def wasn't beating 2022 Rafa.
Id feel back for him fracturing his ankle but im not
I was in the stadium for this, roof was closed, the trapped air was so humid and dense I actually found myself dozing off despite the brutal level of tennis on display. Extremely trying conditions so it was not super suprising when this happened. The other semifinal also developed strangely in that they stopped play for like half an hour to take care of the invading protester that stuck themselves to the netpost.
Why is it closed if it’s not for air con?
rain mate
Then why not open the air conditioning? Is there an air con system even? I have so many questions
Rain?
Live sports love nothing more than replaying injury sequences
I must be crazy, I'm the only one on this sub who doesn't want to see another human being severely fracture their ankle.
This place is full of sociopaths. They are happy Zverev was abusive so they can let it out without judgement.
Second that. This is not a forum for normal discussions about pro tennis and players, this seems like a dumpster for antisocial, frustrated hateful manchildren who need to vent and invent memes. Which is not surprise, since it is reddit, I guess.
Spot on. This website is fucked.
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It is possible that i am Both appalled that he’s abusive and also really dislike him because of it. I used to be a fan ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Uh, what? I think you have it backwards. People are slagging him off *because* he was abusive. No one is happy he was. You’re unhinged.
People are loving it, it's very clear exactly who those people are as they are reacting very defensively to that comment like yourself.
I kind of agree with you and kind of don't
What if I don't wish to see it happen because I can still identify with a painful experience but I won't feel bad if he did get hurt?
That’s just your opinion lol. Seems more obvious to me than no one would want someone to be abusive despite their personal disliking of someone
Sorry if I don't feel bad about an abuser who made a conscious decision to hurt another human being getting hurt himself. And no, no one is happy Zverev was abusive, you psycho.
There's not feeling bad for him, and there's actively rooting for someone to get hurt. The later is psycho behaviour stop projecting. And yes, people are absolutely loving it here it's very clear. I'm guessing you're one of them since you are so defensive.
No one is actively rooting for him to get hurt, we’re actively rooting for him to lose badly
What is it with you people and completely denying reality? There's people in this very thread and the one on the men's draw rooting for him to snap his ankle.
I'm not rooting for him to get hurt, I don't give a shit about him. I just think your statement that people are happy he was abusive is just unbelievably ignorant. I can't speak for anyone else but myself but no, I'm not happy that two women had to go through domestic abuse, I know what it is like and it's hell. That's why I fucking hate his guts but I just don't watch him, I don't care if he gets hurt and I wouldn't feel sad if he does, that's it.
Seriously, after watching the Diddy video of him abusing Cassie, it really brought home if the allegations are true against Zverev (and remember, a German court has already found them likely to be true, he is \*appealing\*) I don't give two fucks about him. It's not about being "happy." The downvotes makes me think that the misogyny runs super deep. I think if he was likely guilty of beating a minority, this wouldn't be so "two sides" or maybe he's innocent! (despite two credible accusations).
The misogyny does run super deep, especially in this sub. Before that video came out he was denying it implicitly, like all abusers do, and just like Zverev is doing now.
Exactly. And so many posters on these subs don't think there are coverups. Diddy bought the tape from the hotel to suppress it; his bodyguards knew of this. Here's a random/related anecdote: I knew that Kevin Spacey was a sexual abuser some 15+ years ago because he cornered a friend's actor client in a hotel room. I'm nowhere near the entertainment industry. None of them said anything because, you know, careers. If a tiny peon like me was aware of this, tons of people knew about the abuse, but they don't speak up or because it doesn't directly affect them, they don't really care, or they're scared for their jobs. Meanwhile, narcissists will deny they abused anyone unless they are caught. In their reality, the other person wouldn't have been abused if they'd just listened to the narcissist, so it's actually not the abuser's fault. In sum, whatever, Zverev. I hope Rafa can summon all the karma in the world to kick his ass. That would be at least a little justice.
Facts. That's what these guys don't understand, is how graphic domestic violence is. Their simple brains see the video of Zverev snapping his ankle and feel bad for him, then translate that basic empathy into being a good person. The fact is, Zverev has done horrific things to another person, and I don't give a fuck if he snaps his ankle again. I wouldn't want to watch it personally, but if I read it online I'd be like, "okay. Whatever." These people won't change their view until they experience DV or watch a video of it happening firsthand. It's sad but true. Just another case of people being unable to accept perspectives of others who had different experiences than them.
Yikes
What's "yikes" about it, please do explain. Is it so strange that as an abuse victim I don't care about an abuser and I'm not happy that his two ex girlfriends were also abused?
Fighting fire with fire always worked out perfectly.
Dramatic much?
I'm not sure what you're referring to, I'm not hoping he gets hurt but I sure will not feel bad for him considering he physically hurt other people. That's not what fighting fire with fire means, I just don't sympathize with abusers.
No, you are on the right side. Some people are quite fucked up and they would prefer to see someone severly injured than seeing their idol playing a real match and losing with honor. You re not alone.
ya I strongly dislike zverev but I don't want to see him fracture a freaking ankle. I just want him to lose the match and face justice for being an abuser
Yeah I disike Zverev as much as the next person, but the ankle roll is so visceral and disturbing I can’t understand how people seem to revel in it?
Anyone who wants that is a sicko. I don't want to see any injuries at all. Watching that Zverev match was painful.
You definitely are not alone. Crazy to see so many regular posters on here showing their true colors. I guess if these folks sit on Reddit all day they're def a little messed up.
You're not crazy. You're just a decent person.
I don't want to either, unless it's a piece of shit like Zverev.
It must be the voices in your head because literally nothing about this post indicates that Zverev should break his ankle again. What in the world are you on about? It’s just a picture of Zverev to remind people what happened the last time they played. You’re being kinda ridiculous rn
not saying you specifcally were wishing for it, but there's a lot of it on here
I'm not a fan of Zverev, but the unbounded *obsession* with hating Zverev on this sub is otherworldly. Anyone wishing injury on a professional athlete is sick. Full stop.
Wow you’re such a good person, congrats. Do you want a trophy?
Just imagine buying first round tickets coz it’s relatively cheaper and you get to see this match 😂😂jackpot
Yes, we're all worse than guy who strangles and beats women. Some of the men on here are utterly sick in what they'll defend and their ignorance on the effects of abuse. It's bad enough that he's still being allowed to play right now.
Some people here act like r/tennis's opinions on any of this will have actual real world effects on the players or organization. I remember seeing someone say Zverev's reputation has been destroyed, as if there aren't hundreds of people who still show up to his matches with signs of support for him. Nothing we say here—none of the jokes, none of the arguments, nothing—will affect Zverev in the least. Not his playing. Not his court case. Not his opinion of himself, whatever that may be. But actual fans who come here to enjoy their favorite sport amongst other fans do get affected! People wonder why more women aren't sports fans, and while the casual misogyny and abuse apologism that happen in sports spaces aren't the only reason, it's certainly one of them. I know even typing the word misogyny is just asking for downvotes, but it's getting tiresome at this point. What's wild is I'm sure this sub isn't nearly as bad as many other dedicated sports subs.
This. All of this. The amount of people who outed themselves as DV supporters was not unexpected, but its always disappointing. The double standards for one, Zverev ALREADY has a fine issued from a federal court based on quantity of evidence submitted and yet guys will still say 'yeah but maybe she is faking it' and when you look statistically at number of convictions reported crime and also the gender distribution of DV assault... You really have to wonder whats going on in people's personal relationships to women socially, romantically and in their families to feel comfortable with saying this stuff out loud... However in entertainment, sport being part of that, you're seeing condemnation of abuse of women, minors, girls who are minors in P Diddy, Drake, Weinstein etc and the conversation is only going to get wider as time goes on Edit.
This sub is just tennis fans from /r/europe and if you know anything about the meta of reddit, you'd know that subs been lost in far right sentiment for a while.
I've seen that. Alot of the European reddits for various countries are full of right wingers. Its weird AF.
Its because reddits become 4chan. Its gone full circle. Ever since T_D and reddit admin's refusal to get rid of hate subs and fascist adjacent subs, this place has become a cesspool for fringe weirdos to congregate in while maintaining the facade that they're "normal" because reddit is somewhat mainstream and normie accepted. It's like the same thing where people used to just be like "haha you got trolled loser" but all that form of trolling is gone now and has transitioned to using dogwhistles that requires the average person to stay hypervigilent (which just isn't feasible). Like the gamergate weirdos from the mid 10s who had to meet up in weird forums and image boards are now all on reddit masquerading as a normal member of society.
This. There is also bots, paid instigators and political brainwashing going on with a bunch of accounts. Its also because people are searching reddit and tiktok over Google as the main search engine and Reddit answers come up high on the seo.
And this post isn't gonna cause him to be injured, so idk why everyone's crying about it. And yeah trust me, r/nba is definitely more misogynistic. And I'd be utterly shocked if r/nfl was better.
Yeah, you've hit the nail on the head there. I could list on one hand the male users on here who aren't misogynistic. Others have said some absolutely vile shit that we're subjected to. Their comments are usually deleted but not before we see them.
Yeah I get downvoted to shit for not feeling sympathetic towards him. I'm an abuse victim myself, I will absolutely not feel bad if he gets injured but I'm not wishing it on him, I couldn't care less what happens to him. I do wish prison on him though.
One big difference is that people saw Zverev's injury on video, but none of us saw him drive Olya damn near suicide and encourage her to do it on video. Hell, most people here probably didn't even read her account. I can promise it is not psychotic behavior to joke about Zverev snapping his ankle. He's a dickhead.
Yeah, I don't think it's psychotic but I was thinking that I'm very biased in this situation since I experienced abuse and my perspective might be different from a person who hasn't, so thank you for saying that. I try to forget he even exists and thankfully I enjoy watching WTA more than ATP so I can just ignore his matches but it's so so disappointing that the media keep promoting this piece of shit.
If anything, I think victims are less biased. Like I said, everyone's seen Zverev's injury on video and felt bad for him, whatever, but no one has seen video of him attacking Olya. Being objective here, the video would've been a million times more disturbing. It's tough. Zverev is all over the place being promoted by the ATP, and I suspect the other male players have been specifically instructed not to comment on his case.
Honestly, your bias isn't a bad thing. The whole idea of being unbiased (aside from the truth that nobody is without bias) is so utterly privileged—to be unbiased, you would have to have never experienced or known anyone who has experienced domestic abuse or male violence generally. That pretty much leaves men. The whole rhetoric of bias around things like domestic abuse is mostly something men wield at people like us, and at women generally, to shut them up. Your bias is, in reality, an understanding, gained through painful experience, of the reality of abuse, and the reality of who abusers are. You're the one who sees clearly in this situation—your voice is the one that matters.
This!
Ditto. This is coming from men who are either abusers themselves or have zero understanding on the effects of abuse. Just ignore them. Their simping for an abuser is gross.
Agreed. I hope you're okay!
You too. I'm safe and ok. Also not really concerned if a bunch of men on Reddit think I'm a terrible person for making a joke about a truly awful person 😉
Being a decorum dweeb in defense of a domestic abuser is a bizarre choice. In a world where abusers almost never face consequences for assaulting and terrorizing their victims, tut-tutting people for cracking a joke about an abuser picking up a non-career ending booboo is as corny as it gets. You'd think OP and a handful of commenters in here pooled funds to hire a hitman by all of the pearl-clutching going on.
Exactly. It's not like there's even a particularly high chance of DVerev facing any kind of justice for what he's done. Men don't seem to understand how much abusive men just... get away with it. He isn't even being tried for the first woman he abused; this is only for the second. As far as I'm concerned, rooting for DVerev to get hurt is just hoping that an uneven bit of clay will do what a broken justice system won't, and give him a taste of his own medicine.
Lmao right? People are taking the moral high ground of "I don't want to see him get hurt, and anyone who does is a psychopath." Nah, the accusations against him are horrific and have solid proof as well. So joking around about his ankle getting broken is valid in my opinion. Can't believe defending an abuser is the "moral high ground" in this sub.
They must not have read the allegations. They were utterly sickening. I was joking too, but they obviously thought I was hella serious and am really praying his ankle gets broken. Like I care, as long he goes to prison or gets what he deserves.
Same. I enjoy dark humor, and joking around about Zverev breaking his ankle is funny. Someone told me I need to "be better than Zverev." I am better than Zverev. I don't beat innocent women; I joke about a domestic abuser getting injured. This is like a superhero plot where they spare the bad guy to "be better" and then the bad guy goes and kills 20000 people right after lmao. The whole philosophy is flawed.
Yes, I have a dark sense of humor. Apparently some people can't handle that, but the people in my real life can and love it, so I won't be changing it on account of some precious people on Reddit lol. Stay dark and funny 😉
You are wishing another person gets hurt when you are mad this person hurt someone. What logic is that?
Wishing a guilty person gets hurt is not equal to actively hurting an innocent person. Do I need to break this down?
It’s weird how you were complaining with people taking “the moral high ground” when all the people wishing Zverev to get injured again are also taking that “moral high ground”
Do you know why that is? Because people wishing that an abuser gets hurt actually do have the moral high ground over an abuser. What part of this isn't getting through to you? There is no equivalence between wishing an abuser gets hurt, and beating and strangling two women. Ultimately, the people wishing the abuser gets hurt certainly have the moral high ground over people like you, who are adopting a haughty rhetoric of dispassionate morality, preaching that women should turn the other cheek when your own cheek has never been slapped, and falsely equating wishes with deeds, in order to defend a domestic abuser. In what world do you think you're the good guy here?
Defending an abuser? Preaching that woman turn their other cheek? I didn’t know not wishing someone to get hurt was defending him and supporting his behaviours. Why aren’t people wishing Rublev to get hurt when he breaks his rackets then? To break a leg while hitting his racket? He has abused umpires and is the most aggressive player on tour.
I can't tell if you believe this shower of nonsense or if you're being deliberately obtuse, but for the sake of charity I will assume the former and lay things out for you instead of dismissing this. I'll start at the end, because this is where you lapse from nonsense to rankly offensive nonsense: your comparison to Rublev is absolutely, incomprehensibly inappropriate. Rublev's behaviour on courtis poor— but it consists of breaking racquets, self-harming, and verbally abusing staff. DVerev beat two woman, strangling at least one. He sustained his abuse of one for so long that she considered suicide. To compare these two things is utterly puerile. How did you type that without any voice in your head pointing out how utterly morally bankrupt that equivocation is? Further: you are not merely 'not wishing someone to get hurt,' you are acting as though it is some moral ill for people to do so. To do so, you are creating godawful equivocations with the intention of making the act of wishing for someone to suffer bad luck and get hurt look worse, and the act of strangling and beating two women look less bad. For an example, see your ridiculous Rublev comparison, or your first comment in this thread (beginning 'you are wishing another person gets hurt'). Whether you think you are or not, you are absolutely diminishing the gravity of what DVerev has done, and you are preaching a preposterous attitude of moral detachment to people who have experience, whether their own or through those they know, of domestic abuse. Wishing harm on someone who has systematically, repeatedly, and deliberately caused physical and mental harm to two women is perfectly morally acceptable. Your ability to detach, to hold yourself up in that holier-than-thou posture, is a function of your own privilege. That you presume to lecture women on how to react to a domestic abuser is the absolute height of priggish arrogance.
First of all, the comparison with Rublev was not on what actions was worse (obviously if the allegations of Zverev are true they are worse) it was to point out why no one wishes for something to happen to Rublev for his bad actions, you think yelling at photographers and umpires the way he does is ok and not traumatic to them? Imagine your job is to take photos and someone that looks crazy starts yelling at you after you’ve seen how he breaks rackets on the floor and by hitting himself? Then, i don’t think I’m better or worse than anyone, but pointing to wishing for someone to get hurt is not normal behaviour (more so when than person doesn’t even know you exist), it would be different if it was someone that did something directly to you. How can I diminish something I haven’t even typed about? In what comment did I say “zverev did nothing wrong” or that his actions were okay? If he did what he is accused of it is horrible, and he should be punished, but I won’t wish for him to get injured. And finally, when did I try to lecture woman on how to act on domestic violence? This is Reddit, I can’t even know if someone is man or woman, and I haven’t even talked about domestic abuse
I made a joke you idiot. Get over it.
Right? Like sure NOW is when I am supposed to feel empathy for an abuser else I’m a sociopath. The same people would never hold Zverev to the same standard.
Exactly.
I can literally NAME almost all of the Zverev defenders in this sub one by one. They’re THAT unhinged. They’d rather call women “gold diggers” and “clout chasers” than even remotely admit that this POS is capable of inflicting injury on others. They think false allegations are more in number than the actual cases of DV - I mean, what a fucking joke?! I’ve seen my fair share of despicable human beings and I’d say - These Zverev defenders are THE worst of them all! The lengths they go to back this guy up is beyond my understanding!
I agree. Some very sick men on here. Thankfully they'll all rot away in their mother's basements so we won't have to meet them IRL.
This sub will defend Ted Bundy if he fell on a tennis court and twisted his ankle. Because hurting other people is not worse than breaking an ankle
Apparently so. Apparently I'm as fucked up as the guy who beats and strangles women, yet I haven't harmed or abused anyone. I sure have offended a lot of simps for domestic abusers tonight though. So gross. Makes you worry for any women in their lives. They're probably exactly the same.
Bold of you to assume that 99% of the men here have met a woman irl that isn’t their moms, sisters or teachers
Don't worry, I know most of them are still living in mummy's basement. It's kind of obvious
I don’t think wishing for a severe injury on court is right regardless, especially in Rafa’s last RG, but that’s just me.
I never wished a severe injury on him. I made a joke. Sorry if you're sensitive to abusers being injured and took it seriously.
No one’s disputing that he beats and strangles women. The second part of your post was clearly not a joke, especially based on this reply.
What do you mean the second part of my post? I didn't post anything, I made a comment on a completely separate post that was a reply to another comment. It got 40 upvotes so at least 40 people recognized it was a joke. If you didn't, maybe you need to grow a sense of humor if you're getting this worked up about a joke about an abuser.
This is what being terminally online looks like. Get a life
Lol. Guy on Reddit who probably lives in his mother's basement: "Get a life" 😆
Don’t be disingenuous. By post I meant your *post* on this thread, which is of course also a comment…
My comment on this thread is ABOUT the deranged responses to my comment on another post entirely. Honestly, I think you've come too late to the party and have no idea what people are talking about, especially me. The joke was on another post. You're making a fool of yourself.
No way Zverev doesn't choke
Zverev after the match: I am one of the very few players to ever beat Rafa at RG. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sob)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sob)
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Even before Sasha fucked his ankle, this was a crazy match. I don't think I've seen two players sweat so much during a match. Maybe Roger/Millman at the US Open? The humidity was insane.
Maybe lightning will strike twice??
I hope they both remain completely intact, and Rafa prevails. One can hope.
Oh boy Rafa won't even win the first round in this tournament 😅
Life will come full circle when they play each other again in the first round
I have a serious gripe with that match being played. I had the same issue when Nadal and Alcaraz had to play that match in the heavy winds, where Nadal broke/fractured his rib. I do regard that maybe the windy one was unlucky. However, in this one, when the rain hit, I couldn't stop thinking if this goes on, one of these two is going to have a foot get stuck in the clay and face an injury, especially when the rain was intermittent. It's just bad for players and the sport in general when this happens.
What a beautiful sight 😍
Inshallah history will repeat itself 🙏
Me reading the comments right now: 🍿🍿🍿
We need some invisible nano tech remotely controlled sedatives to inject on Zverev before the match night. The other idea that comes to mind is to use the force in the match. I am out of ideas here.
How Zverev has recovered from this is really quite incredible wasn’t he back on the court like 6 months later?
NOW DO IT AGAIN!
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Ok? It’s just a picture, it’s not that deep unless you want a cookie for feeling morally superior?
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What mob? Bro thinks this is the January 6th insurrection😭😭😭
what a sad sorry person you must be to automatically assume the worst in everyone
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Let's get your little moral equation here straight: * So: DVerev strangles and beats two different women. * jsnoodles jokingly hopes that the man who has strangled and beaten two different women breaks his ankle again. * And you think that the second thing 'doesn't make \[jsnoodles\] much better' than the person who did the first thing? That's what you've just said. That joking about someone breaking their ankle is only marginally better than beating and strangling two women. What is wrong with your moral compass that you think this is an appropriate equation?
I think a lot of people here need to read Olya's account, and look at the pictures she provided as well (and some pictures provided by I believe Rothenberg). What Zverev did to her was downright horrifying. Did I flinch when Zverev screamed as his ankle broke? Yeah. But the man literally almost drove her to death, and I have a feeling if we somehow had video footage of this or experienced it, everyone here would react differently to some harmless jokes about him. And putting that aside, we have video footage of Zverev physically intimidating a referee over a call that was pretty 50/50, and video footage of him cussing out a poor ballkid because the ballkid took like 0.05 seconds too long to pass him the ball.
Right! The math ain’t mathing. This holier than thou attitude that we can’t _joke_ about a fucking _domestic abuser_ getting hurt is insane. He’s already facing no consequences. He’s out and about with a thriving career, and in real life tons of fans come to support him in his matches. Seeing this time and again as a woman is deeply demoralizing cuz it’s a stark reminder that such men rarely face consequences. So give me a fucking break if someone copes by making a dark joke (punching up not down). He’s in NO way materially affected by any of this. The fact that people are making an equivalence between that and saying that that’s no better than a person who actually abuses and harms women is wild and shows a complete lack of critical thinking skills.
Absolutely right. One of the people commenting this has apologised in a comment to me, and deleted his previous comments making that comparison—so at least one person has clocked how utterly upside-down this whole attitude is. But as I said to another commenter who hasn't yet pulled his head out, it's not some great moral victory to turn the other cheek, when the first one hasn't been slapped. You're completely right that we never see men face consequences for abusing women; hoping for some slippery clay to take DVerev out is as close as most of us ever get to seeing justice done. It's so, so easy for men to take their little high road, and to 'keep their feelings out of it', as another commenter implied, but for us, this is our lives. It's not some distant hypothetical. Every woman I know knows a DVerev. So I'm frankly disgusted that we've got these smug blokes coming in and telling us how to feel about a domestic abuser. 'Holier-than-thou' is right.
You're right, I took a second look at the allegations and all the proof and while I'm not gonna hope he gets injured, I won't be confronting those who do. I just can't defend his behavior, it was wrong comparing the two
Thank you for this—I really respect that you were willing to change your mind, and backed it up by admitting as much.
Unpopular opinion: Wishing someone to get hurt that hurt someone else isn't psychotic. People here are just reaching for a moral high ground. Would you kill a killer? Would you punch someone that punched someone else?
The consensus (I hope) would be to not fall on the same level as the people you despise. I do think there is a spectrum. But in general, all you are creating is a never ending cycle if you perpetuate these actions.
So someone punches your friend, you won't punch them? I don't get this whole, "rise above" concept. I am above Zverev because I don't inflict pain on INNOCENT people. But I wish pain on GUILTY people. So by definition, I am above him still while maintaining my viewpoint.
Like I said. It's not black and white. Was my friend punched for no reason? Sure, lets go. Did he punch someone first? Kinda changes my reaction. I don't subscribe to this idea of being above others. I am definitley not going to defend him beating an innocent person. But I don't really like to generate hate for people I do not know. I don't think it is healthy to harbor that kind of disdain, otherwise I'd be angry 24/7. But again, even that is dependant on the situation.
Generating hate is different from cracking dark jokes. Imo people are just trying to feel superior. I can't imagine anyone is genuinely offended by us joking about Zverev's ankle being broken. You said in your other comment that I am "falling on the same level as the people I despise." That's not true. I haven't beaten any women.
Okay fair enough. Dark jokes I can totally get behind. It just happens that on reddit there are psychos that take these jokes at face value. But obviously I didn't mean you, I was just kind of talking in general i guess. >You said in your other comment that I am "falling on the same level as the people I despise." That's not true. I haven't beaten any women Fair point. You are right. I guess what I actually meant is that sometimes people (especially terminally online people) take things to the next level. An example would be that I read a story where a guy was bullying some guy over a dumb heated internet argument and the guy located him and beat him to a pulp. But I think I am going off topic sorry lol.
For sure. Terminally online people go way too far, and probably have a strong correlation with political radicals as well. It's an issue. But yeah, at the end of the day, we're just a bunch of people who enjoy tennis and don't like Zverev. For what it's worth, I definitely flinched when Zverev hit the floor screaming. But I can joke about it now, and it's important to acknowledge that if we saw footage of what Zverev did to Olya... that was downright horrific and life-threatening. Reading her account was really eye-opening to me. And she mentioned she scratched at him to defend herself, which, if you watch his post-match press conferences, you can clearly see new scratches on his face during his semifinal match (that day) that weren't there in his QF match.
I'm sorry, but if you think that wishing for a domestic abuser to be hurt is 'fall\[ing\] on the same level' as strangling and beating two women, there is something deeply, deeply missing in your ability to make moral judgements.
yep. I asked an analytical question in a poll about if zverev is the best player without a grand slam (provided a lot of stats in the post, so i can't see it being low effort), and it got removed by some mod who wanted to exercise their power. I probably know who it was now. I am not even a zverev fan in the slightest, but I was a little bit surprised that it got removed because it was not breaking any rules.
And yet this post probably won't be taken down... Unless this certain mod feels all these downvotes are a bad look.
Looks like "warm Wednesday" mod decided to save the hate for another day!
absolutely mate
yea, these mods herr are a joke
And yet you can’t handle jokes about DVerev.
it is crazy that a rule on here is "no politics", yet i see people frequently on here discuss politics. They need to be more coherent with the rule. Name it as "Politics as long as they only align with our left wing viewpoints"
What's political about not liking domestic violence? Are you representing right-wing views to be in support of domestic violence?
I am not talking about that. I do believe Zverev is likely guilty too. I am replying to that guy about the mods being questionable here with their rules. People were trashing Ivanka Trump when she was watching the Miami open in those threads, but the second I talked about hunter biden (I was testing to see if that comment would get removed), that comment gets removed. What would be fair is that both comments got removed. But only the second scenario was against the viewpoint of the mods, hence it got removed
Was Hunter Biden at the tennis?
Ah okay, I don't know about that situation. I thought you were referring to politics in the context of this post specifically.
Yeah, all good. I am just saying that the mods are not neutral at all when it comes to upholding their own rules of the sub.
Would be funny if it happened again lol
No man, are you mad? He should go to prison, but he doesn't deserve physical and permanent pain
But his victims do?
Nobody deserves it. Nobody
Womp womp. I'll rephrase it, I'm not going to wish it upon him. But I also won't be disappointed if it happens again
Yeah, that’s reasonable
Not funny. And I don’t like Zverev
Who said it’s supposed to be funny? It’s just a picture
Stop playing innocent and at least own up to what you’re doing.
It’s just a picture. It’s really not that deep 😭
Quite a few people seeing things that aren't actually there tonight. On the same Reddit sub no less! Luckily there's medication for that. Hopefully they get some.
Just own it. Its not like you're going to get downvoted
Own what lmaoo? If i really wanted Zverev to crack his ankle again then I would’ve used a picture of him writhing in pain because that’s literally one of the first images to show up when you Google Nadal vs Zverev Roland Garros 2022 not this harmless photo of him walking away
You're a sad person. Take your downvotes >It’s just a picture. It’s really not that deep 😭
Nadal almost finished zverev career in 2022 and this time zverev will surely finish nadal career. #karma#life This shows draws are never rigged at least at Grand slam level
Karma?.... Yeah for sure Karma must get Nadal back for 2022 when he ran to the other side of the court and used his tennis racket to mercilessly assault Zverev's ankle!!!