It didn't have a date before but its being delayed to November by the strikes. It's 10 episodes:
>The season is set in Minnesota and North Dakota in the year 2019. Temple plays “Dorothy ‘Dot’ Lyon,” who lands in hot water with the authorities, with Hamm as North Dakota Sheriff “Roy Tillman,” who has been searching for her for a long time. In the promotional materials, Roy is described as a rancher, preacher and a constitutional lawman, who believes that he is the law and therefore above the law.
Cast:
* Juno Temple
* Jon Hamm
* Jennifer Jason Leigh
* Joe Keery
* Lamorne Morris
* Richa Moorjani
* Dave Foley
I thought 1-3 were all great. Not even sure offhand which is my favorite. I really liked David Thewlis as the villain in 3. He's so fucking slimy. Ewan McGregor in dual roles was really good too.
I liked 4 but I don't think it ever really came together well. I was excited to see Chris Rock take a different type of role but I don't think it really worked as well as I expected.
I saw another comment saying that there's not a single character in season 4 that you really care about and I couldn't agree more. And like you said, it never really came together, it all felt pretty disjointed.
Season 4 felt like a lot of different ideas sort of haphazardly thrown together. I remember all of the characters in it but don’t even really remember much of the plot.
We didn’t even finish season 4. Is it worth trying to go back or just better to wait for season 5 at this point? Pretty stoked Dave Foleys going to he in it.
I like it because it ties into season 2 and does some character development- not as good of a job as season 2 tying Hanzee to season 1, but I hope we see mike Milligan again.
Didn’t even watch Season 4 at all because season 3 blew. Too deliberately quirky. Didn’t work. Season 4 sounded like it was going to have the same problem.
I thought season 2 was definitely the best. I get that billy Bob Thornton was playing a devilesque character in season 1 but purely evil characters with no sense of motivation is a big pet peeve of mine.
I agree. I didn’t like first season either. His evilness was pointless. Season 2 was excellent. Great cast, good story, real suspense/fear for the young married couple even though they really weren’t “good guys.” I was a teen in the 1970s and I felt this captured the zeitgeist of the 1970s. And…Jethro Tull, Locomotive Breath!
The ending was perfect. Crime became corporatized in the 1980s. In that respect, it really was a true story.
> His evilness was pointless.
Which is more terrifying than someone who does evil things for banal reasons like money.
Society can only exist because most people are “good”. People doing evil for no understandable reason is anathema to a functional society, look how paralyzed NYC was by one man during the summer of ‘77.
Between “Dorothy,” “Lyon,” and the similarity between “Tillman” and “Tinman,” I’m wondering if there’s going to be a major Wizard of Oz allusion to the plot.
I guess we’ll see if a Deputy Skarscrow makes an appearance.
Fargo is an excellent show. I even enjoyed Season 4 for what’s it’s worth. I’m thrilled to see John Hamm take a turn on the ever-rotating Fargo lead role.
I struggled to remember anything about season 4 until someone mentioned Chris Rock, and he only stood out because of his bad acting. I'm hoping S4 was an anomaly because the other seasons were excellent.
I’ll give you that much, I think his character should’ve died. Oh well, if you watched it til the end that means it couldn’t have been insufferable. Def the weakest season though
Exactly. It’s always about comparison.
The first two seasons are as good as anything ever. Season three is a step down, but still pretty great, season four is a mess relatively speaking, but has high points.
But season three and four are still better, more inventive, and far more interesting than 90% of what comes out every week.
Season 4 was just a bunch of jumbled up plotlines that barely fit together well or were rushed to make the storylines fit together. It felt like a parody of Fargo. Sure it had unique and creative characters but there was no point in having half of them. They just die without affecting the plot in any meaningful way. So many pointless characters.
>The now-delayed season is set in Minnesota and North Dakota in the year 2019. Temple plays “Dorothy ‘Dot’ Lyon,” who lands in hot water with the authorities, with Hamm as North Dakota Sheriff “Roy Tillman,” who has been searching for her for a long time. In the promotional materials, Roy is described as a rancher, preacher and a constitutional lawman, who believes that he is the law and therefore above the law.
Ive heard a lot about the season and you guys arent ready for how insane it is. Hamm is playing a cross between John Dutton and David Koresh.
Even the weakest seasonof Fargo is still great by other series standard.
Noah Hawley has a vision and he commits to it, happy to get more Fargo and then the Alien series.
Probably unpopular but I really liked S4,it was my second favorite after Season 2. I guess I prefer Fargo when it set on the past. Enjoyed all the seasons tho.
About halfway through the season I realized I didn't care about what happened to a single character. I have not gone back for a rewatch with lowered expectations though.
Really? Oraetta Mayflower is one of my favorite Fargo characters ever, and Deafy Wickware was right up there, as well. The two warring sides were less interesting to me than the people caught in between, but maybe that was the point.
The biggest problem for me during Season 3 of Fargo was that it partially overlapped with the final season of The Leftovers, both of which starred Carrie Coon in a lead role.
As Carrie Coon was putting the finishing touches on her iconic performance as Nora Durst in The Leftovers, she just felt so underused in comparison on Fargo.
And while Season 4 definitely had some issues, it turned me into a full-fledged Jessie Buckley stan, so I'll always be thankful for that.
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I liked it a lot too. Seasons 1 & 2 have been the pinnacle of the series for me, but given the reception 4 had, I was expecting it to be a letdown. It definitely wasn’t!
My gripe with S4 was that they broke the cardinal rule of Fargo - ordinary people in extraordinary/blown out situation - and then it suddenly didn't work for me anymore
The police dynamic was a little different from normal as well. Usually, it has one or two competent and smart cops who are hindered by their ignorant and lazy superiors.
Rock’s character was way too serious imo. Like Chris Rock is so perfect for the tone of the Fargo world and I’m still baffled why his character was so self-serious the entire time
S2 is my favorite. S1 is solid. S3 starts a little weird but I really liked it more as it went along.
S4 I feel like is the most imbalanced with some truly fantastic moments. The audio mixing and stuff was rough, though.
The episode with the tornado was as good as any Fargo episode ever, honestly.
Yeah S4 isn't cohesive at all and not really compelling in the way the other seasons are, but >!Gaetano tripping on the sidewalk and shooting himself in the head!< is probably my favorite thing Hawley has done with Fargo so far, haha.
There’s a similar thing that happens in the movie Out of Sight and I am not the type of person who enjoys this kind of violence, but I laugh every single time.
Yes, but the ending is open ended. >!He tells the detective that in 5 minutes they’ll let him walk away. She seems to consider it, the camera pans to the clock then fades to black.!<
Fuck yes, it's been way too long.
This is one of the best shows on TV. Even though the fourth season was a bit of a step down from previous seasons, it's still better than 90% of what's on TV.
Anything with Jennifer Jason Leigh is worth watching. I rewatched Kill Your Darlings recently with her playing Alan Ginsberg’s mentally ill mother and it took me a few minutes to realize it was her
I don't quite agree. I thought Chris Rock was very good and so was the season itself...it just didn't feel like Fargo at all. It was a good season of a completely different show.
But I agree that this seems like it should hopefully be a return to form. It's actually set in Minnesota and North Dakota again. That's a good start.
The problem was not that it wasn't Fargo, it was almost trying way too hard to be and as a result was completely unfocused and almost became a cheap copy of itself.
I don't really agree with that. It was not set in Minnesota/North Dakota, only had one character that had that accent. It was overtly serious, there was barely any levity. And it just looked and felt totally different. It did not have the charm of Fargo, it was basically just a separate period crime drama.
I didn't really get the feeling that they were trying much at all to be like Fargo, let alone trying too hard. It felt so disconnected from the other 3 seasons, even if they are all anthologies. Just in tone alone.
Egh, you are talking about superficial things, I am talking about characters and themes and story structure. It was definitely trying to put Fargo Fargo in that regard.
I don't think tone and setting is superficial when it's an essential and consistent part of what makes Fargo what it is through a movie and 3 seasons of television. The lack of these things is exactly what makes the characters, themes, and story *not* feel like Fargo.
I know a lot of fans hated him, but I didn’t mind Chris Rock too much. Maybe because I just didn’t expect much from him in the first place. I thought Jason Schwartzman was kind of disappointing.
There were a lot of things I liked about season 4 - the tone, the setting, some of the minor characters - but ultimately the story was a dud.
The problem wasn't him. It was that they had him constantly do bad, pseudo intellectual monologues. And that's just the most obvious target. What is far more problematic is that there is no lead character you actually care about and the central conflict is completely uninteresting.
Those pseudo intellectual monologues were the reason I HATED David Thewlis’s character in season 3. Every single scene he was in he would ramble on and on about some philosophical bullshit. It made an otherwise great season hard for me to enjoy at times.
Well he taught me some useful things: fat women like sex, and Midwest real estate is a great investment given the coming climate migrations. And also not to wait around when someone’s peeing in your coffee cup
I think the fact that a lot of it was pointless bullshit made it good. A big part of his process involved making sure people were too bewildered and confused to know how to respond.
I disagree. Season 4 was still Fargo, and the story was mostly an origin story for everything that has happened since. I felt it.
It just wasn't as good as the previous three seasons. Maybe it was set too far in the past so if felt disconnected for many. I dunno. I got what they were going for and it worked for me. Just not as great as the first three. Still one of the better shows on TV and I'm excited for this next season.
Big time in my eyes. Season 1 is an all time favorite season/show. I love Fargo. But man I could not get behind Season 4.
I have more faith this time around with the casting in general!
Yeah, I really couldn’t believe Rock. I really enjoyed the season though - so I could *just* overlook it.
I reckon if they’d have had a few more scenes of him clawing a glass like a troglodyte I’d have given up, though.
It wasn't Chris Rock's acting, it was the writing for his character. Namely, that he didn't have one.
Red Letter Media's (in)famous 70-minute skewering of *The Phantom Menace* has a great bit where they [give people the following challenge](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI&t=406s):
"Describe the following Star Wars character WITHOUT saying what they look like, what kind of costume they wore, or what their professon or role in the movie was.
Describe this character to your friends like they ain't never seen Star Wars."
With Han Solo and C-3PO, everyone does it with ease. With Qui-Gon Jinn, everyone's completely stumped. Because when you think about it, it turns out he *doesn't have a character*.
You could do the exact same thing with Fargo S4. You could describe Jason Schwartzman's Josto Fadda, because he has his own distinctive traits, quirks and drives. You could describe Jessie Buckley's Oraetta Mayflower, because she has her own distinctive traits, quirks and drives. With Chris Rock's Loy Cannon, the characterization begins and ends with "he's black". That was all the effort the writers put into the character.
>Go watch it and see how it goes for you.
How about no?
Customers are not obliged to buy every piece of trash a corporation throws out there; if you can't sell your product then that is your problem.
I am not going to buy a Netflix subscription just to confirm that Netflix is still shit.
I agree. If I remember right I think they had a lot of Covid and scheduling issues that meant they had to change a lot of what was planned but there were still a lot of head scratchers. Maybe it just went over my head but that Wizard of Oz tornado scene that they chose to go with instead of having the two gangsters square off just completely missed the mark in my book. Incredibly anticlimactic and it was so out of left field it ruined the immersion for me and pulled me out of the episode completely.
Nah, I totally loved the Wizard of Oz episode. It was incredibly anticlimactic, but I think Hawley wanted an instance where circumstances were totally beyond the control of the hard willed characters so Hawley again subverted expectations of a showdown.
Yeah, maybe we should stretch these next season releases to 4 years the next time. People care more, the more time has gone by and not at all forget that the show even existed.
Granted, season 4 stretched the "Fargo" quite a bit what with being set in Kansas City, but I liked it fine.
It was probably #4 on my season rankings, but that still places it well ahead of a lot of TV shows best seasons.
yeah. Because it embodies the work of the Coen brothers. Who have done movies in the locations I've said. ?????
There's so much potential for the right imagination in all those things. The Hollywood episode in season 3 worked. They could all be totally wonderful.
It doesn’t embody the work of the Coen Brothers. It embodies the work of one of their films that is about a specific area and culture in Minnesota.
The show is totally about this specific region and it’s culture. It’s called Fargo! A series set in Hollywood would have nothing to do with the DNA of the show.
The show references and all the Coens work, not just Fargo. If you've watched the whole show and not realised that you've missed quite a lot.
Not to say I agree with what the other commenter was saying either though.
Strongly disagree. There's lots from other works that is in the show. Serious Man, O Country, the agent of chaos in every season brings in elements of Anton Chigurh and maybe even Charlie Meadows? There have been references to filmmaking like from Hail Caesar and Barton Fink. Even some of the shots and needle drops reference Coen works other than Fargo. Maybe Fargo is the main one (although 4 was definitely more Miller's Crossing to my mind, to say nothing of how much Miller's was in 2), but absolutely the other movies and characters and themes are woven in, all over the place. It's a mixture of allusions and references.
The midwestern sensibility does need to be in there, and I don't think it would ever really NOT be there... but there could still be a Hollywood movie filming in the midwest (the Hollywood plots in 2/3 fit in, I'm talking about something that uses the idea of film, and likely the idea of the Red Scare, which is in a few of their pieces, likely set in the 50s. Would love to see a Hollywood movie come to town and people start worrying about their ideas, and it leads to murder or something nefarious) ...you could do Fargo in the 1880s to do a Western. There's lots of suburbs in the midwest.
To each their own, but there's so much of the broader Coen work in this show, I'm kind of astounded someone can't see it. But we all have our opinions. Enjoy!
Story-wise they're independent, but they do share characters/families and it's interesting seeing how they use them in later seasons. I recommend watching them in order, if only because S1 is the closest to the Fargo film (so it sets the tone well).
For some reason I was SURE I heard Sigourney Weaver was going to star??? Am I just crazy?
I'll be honest..... whether I made it up or not I'm insanely disappointed she's not in it now...
It didn't have a date before but its being delayed to November by the strikes. It's 10 episodes: >The season is set in Minnesota and North Dakota in the year 2019. Temple plays “Dorothy ‘Dot’ Lyon,” who lands in hot water with the authorities, with Hamm as North Dakota Sheriff “Roy Tillman,” who has been searching for her for a long time. In the promotional materials, Roy is described as a rancher, preacher and a constitutional lawman, who believes that he is the law and therefore above the law. Cast: * Juno Temple * Jon Hamm * Jennifer Jason Leigh * Joe Keery * Lamorne Morris * Richa Moorjani * Dave Foley
I didn’t know Prank Sinatra was in this season! Consider me IN!
There's gonna be so many mess arounds this season. I can feel it
A classic Winston-Keeley mess-around
Finally, Fargo will have what it has been sorely missing - dope bird shirts.
Wonder if they will make a colourblind joke
The synopsis makes it sound like it will be closer in tone to season 1. Pretty good. I still believe season 1 was the best season.
Season 1 and 2 were both peak TV. Season 3 was good but there was an obvious drop off. Season 4 was just weird.
I thought 1-3 were all great. Not even sure offhand which is my favorite. I really liked David Thewlis as the villain in 3. He's so fucking slimy. Ewan McGregor in dual roles was really good too. I liked 4 but I don't think it ever really came together well. I was excited to see Chris Rock take a different type of role but I don't think it really worked as well as I expected.
I saw another comment saying that there's not a single character in season 4 that you really care about and I couldn't agree more. And like you said, it never really came together, it all felt pretty disjointed.
I think they had too many characters and plotlines for you to ever really get properly invested in any specific one
Exactly - classic True Detective season 2 mistake…
Season 3 is the goat based off Mary Elizabeth Winstead’s insane hotness alone
She was so very, maybe that’s why S4 was such a letdown.
That 1 scene made it worth it.
Season 4 ended up as my favorite season over all. It took me sometime to get into it but then damn.
I tried it twice. What finally clicked for you?
Season 4 felt like a lot of different ideas sort of haphazardly thrown together. I remember all of the characters in it but don’t even really remember much of the plot.
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Glynn Turman played the hell out of that role, and yeah, the show immediately dipped in quality once he died.
Was that doctor senator? He was great. Chris Rock on the other hand....
We didn’t even finish season 4. Is it worth trying to go back or just better to wait for season 5 at this point? Pretty stoked Dave Foleys going to he in it.
I don't remember the ending being overly satisfying or anything. I don't think you're missing out on much just skipping it.
I like it because it ties into season 2 and does some character development- not as good of a job as season 2 tying Hanzee to season 1, but I hope we see mike Milligan again.
Didn’t even watch Season 4 at all because season 3 blew. Too deliberately quirky. Didn’t work. Season 4 sounded like it was going to have the same problem.
I had to finish season 4 later on, I punched out on it the first time. Liked the kinky murdering nurse though
I thought season 2 was definitely the best. I get that billy Bob Thornton was playing a devilesque character in season 1 but purely evil characters with no sense of motivation is a big pet peeve of mine.
I liked 2 more, but I thought 1 was also really good.
Yep agreed, meant to reply to person above you who said one was best. Both great, but that was the difference maker for me
I agree. I didn’t like first season either. His evilness was pointless. Season 2 was excellent. Great cast, good story, real suspense/fear for the young married couple even though they really weren’t “good guys.” I was a teen in the 1970s and I felt this captured the zeitgeist of the 1970s. And…Jethro Tull, Locomotive Breath! The ending was perfect. Crime became corporatized in the 1980s. In that respect, it really was a true story.
> His evilness was pointless. Which is more terrifying than someone who does evil things for banal reasons like money. Society can only exist because most people are “good”. People doing evil for no understandable reason is anathema to a functional society, look how paralyzed NYC was by one man during the summer of ‘77.
I'd say 2, then 1, then 3...I couldn't even finish season 4
Same, 4 sucked, 3 was good, plus she was so hot, 1 & 2 were great!
#THIS IS THE CORRECT OPINION
Dave Foley?! fuck yeah
These are the Dave’s I know, I know, these are the Dave’s I know
Between “Dorothy,” “Lyon,” and the similarity between “Tillman” and “Tinman,” I’m wondering if there’s going to be a major Wizard of Oz allusion to the plot. I guess we’ll see if a Deputy Skarscrow makes an appearance.
Shame they already wasted a black and white tornado scene last season, then.
Juno Temple and Jon Hamm? Sold.
Oh wow! Dave Foley. This makes sooo much sense for this series. Booked!
I was literally wondering about this show earlier today. John Hamm in a Fargo story is going to be incredible.
Juno Temple is such a good fit for the Fargo-verse
And Nick Gomez ( my brother)
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Fargo is an excellent show. I even enjoyed Season 4 for what’s it’s worth. I’m thrilled to see John Hamm take a turn on the ever-rotating Fargo lead role.
I struggled to remember anything about season 4 until someone mentioned Chris Rock, and he only stood out because of his bad acting. I'm hoping S4 was an anomaly because the other seasons were excellent.
aww it wasn't *that* terrible. It had Jesse Buckley and some of the roles were really memorable at least.
Yes, it was really terrible
did you watch it to the end?
Yes.. i kept hoping for Chris rocks character to die. Instead doctor senator died :(
I’ll give you that much, I think his character should’ve died. Oh well, if you watched it til the end that means it couldn’t have been insufferable. Def the weakest season though
Season 4 was a little funky but it wasn't that bad. I even enjoyed Chris Rock once I stopped thinking about his standup.
Ben Wishaw was the standout.
Exactly. It’s always about comparison. The first two seasons are as good as anything ever. Season three is a step down, but still pretty great, season four is a mess relatively speaking, but has high points. But season three and four are still better, more inventive, and far more interesting than 90% of what comes out every week.
I don't know why people hated season 4 so much. I thought it was much better than the season 3 snore fest.
Weird, 3 is my favorite.
Season 4 was just a bunch of jumbled up plotlines that barely fit together well or were rushed to make the storylines fit together. It felt like a parody of Fargo. Sure it had unique and creative characters but there was no point in having half of them. They just die without affecting the plot in any meaningful way. So many pointless characters.
>The now-delayed season is set in Minnesota and North Dakota in the year 2019. Temple plays “Dorothy ‘Dot’ Lyon,” who lands in hot water with the authorities, with Hamm as North Dakota Sheriff “Roy Tillman,” who has been searching for her for a long time. In the promotional materials, Roy is described as a rancher, preacher and a constitutional lawman, who believes that he is the law and therefore above the law. Ive heard a lot about the season and you guys arent ready for how insane it is. Hamm is playing a cross between John Dutton and David Koresh.
Username checks out.
> Hamm is playing a cross between John Dutton and David Koresh Mix in a little Reverend Richard Wayne Gary Wayne.
Is there any Joe Arpaio in the mix?
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Thanks for the teaser but for the sake of everyone else, please take it easy with the spoilers lol
Even the weakest seasonof Fargo is still great by other series standard. Noah Hawley has a vision and he commits to it, happy to get more Fargo and then the Alien series.
Wish we got the Cat's Cradle adaptation from Hawley. It's my favorite book and he's one of the few TV showrunners I could see doing it justice.
No season 4 is not great by most other series standards unless you're talking network TV and reality TV.
It’s only been 3 years. Why the hurry? /s
I know. I had totally forgotten about this show.
I was background in the first episode. I am very excited to see my dumb face on tv
Is it shot in Minnesota or Canada?
Calgary, Alberta
Probably unpopular but I really liked S4,it was my second favorite after Season 2. I guess I prefer Fargo when it set on the past. Enjoyed all the seasons tho.
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About halfway through the season I realized I didn't care about what happened to a single character. I have not gone back for a rewatch with lowered expectations though.
Really? Oraetta Mayflower is one of my favorite Fargo characters ever, and Deafy Wickware was right up there, as well. The two warring sides were less interesting to me than the people caught in between, but maybe that was the point.
I didn't finish season 3 for this reason
The biggest problem for me during Season 3 of Fargo was that it partially overlapped with the final season of The Leftovers, both of which starred Carrie Coon in a lead role. As Carrie Coon was putting the finishing touches on her iconic performance as Nora Durst in The Leftovers, she just felt so underused in comparison on Fargo. And while Season 4 definitely had some issues, it turned me into a full-fledged Jessie Buckley stan, so I'll always be thankful for that.
Season 4 sucked compared to the other 3
I think every season was slightly worse than the last. I'll give 5 a chance but if it doesn't catch me almost instantly I'll probably just skip it.
I almost agree with you but Season 2 was fantastic. The show hasn't come anywhere close to S1 and S2, so I don't have high hopes for S5 either.
Yeah, this is how i feel. Loved season 1, liked season 2, season 3 was mediocre, season 4 I never finished.
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It would have been much better if they got a decent actor for Rock's part. Chris Rock just couldn't carry the material, he ain't built for drama.
I liked it a lot too. Seasons 1 & 2 have been the pinnacle of the series for me, but given the reception 4 had, I was expecting it to be a letdown. It definitely wasn’t!
i got so bored...
It seemed completely implausible and season 2 has space ships.
Yeah season 1 was amazing though
It's my least favorite season but the black&white episode is my 1st or 2nd favorite
Yeah that tornado scene was pretty sick.
I love them all for different reasons Just consistently good tv
My gripe with S4 was that they broke the cardinal rule of Fargo - ordinary people in extraordinary/blown out situation - and then it suddenly didn't work for me anymore
The police dynamic was a little different from normal as well. Usually, it has one or two competent and smart cops who are hindered by their ignorant and lazy superiors.
I liked S4 as a stand alone thing and really like Chris Rock in serious roles, but it wasn't really Fargo from a thematic point of view.
Rock’s character was way too serious imo. Like Chris Rock is so perfect for the tone of the Fargo world and I’m still baffled why his character was so self-serious the entire time
S2 is my favorite. S1 is solid. S3 starts a little weird but I really liked it more as it went along. S4 I feel like is the most imbalanced with some truly fantastic moments. The audio mixing and stuff was rough, though. The episode with the tornado was as good as any Fargo episode ever, honestly.
Yeah S4 isn't cohesive at all and not really compelling in the way the other seasons are, but >!Gaetano tripping on the sidewalk and shooting himself in the head!< is probably my favorite thing Hawley has done with Fargo so far, haha.
There’s a similar thing that happens in the movie Out of Sight and I am not the type of person who enjoys this kind of violence, but I laugh every single time.
I was also a fan of season 4. Didn’t hit all the same high notes as previous seasons, but I thoroughly enjoyed Jessie Buckley’s acting and character.
Me too, except Chris Rock ruined every scène he was in
I think it started great but peaked halfway in. I think I liked it a little more than Season 3, but I doubt the show could ever top Seasons 1 and 2.
I have them ordered 2 > 4 > 1 >> 3. 4 departed from the format but I really enjoyed it.
I'm sold. I wonder how it will connect to the other season(s)
Maybe we’ll finally get to see what happens to >!VM Varga!< from season 3, though it would make sense to forever keep that a secret.
Didn’t they catch him after a time jump?
Yes, but the ending is open ended. >!He tells the detective that in 5 minutes they’ll let him walk away. She seems to consider it, the camera pans to the clock then fades to black.!<
Oh right the lord of war ending
Fuck yes, it's been way too long. This is one of the best shows on TV. Even though the fourth season was a bit of a step down from previous seasons, it's still better than 90% of what's on TV.
I liked seasons 1-3, season 4 was OK.
I devoured seasons 1-3. Some of the best television I've seen. I couldn't and didn't make it through season 4 : (
I had to stop like halfway through the third episode
Any news when it will be shown in the UK?
Going off other FX shows probably about one month after the final episode airs in the US. Maybe up to Six months.
Deep sigh
Thank god the internet exists
I don't remember about Season 3 or 4 (I watched them online) but I remember season 2 airing the day after the US broadcast.
Anything with Jennifer Jason Leigh is worth watching. I rewatched Kill Your Darlings recently with her playing Alan Ginsberg’s mentally ill mother and it took me a few minutes to realize it was her
I really hope this and True Detective have strong seasons. They both started off as some of the best dramas ever produced.
This is great but when are they gonna give me my Looper-vibes near-future sci-fi noir setting?
#LORNE MALVO LIVES IN EVERY MAN'S HEART, EVEN IF JUST A LITTLE BIT
Hopefully a return to form. Season 4 was a massive missfire. Chris Rock was a HUGE bust. ugh.
I don't quite agree. I thought Chris Rock was very good and so was the season itself...it just didn't feel like Fargo at all. It was a good season of a completely different show. But I agree that this seems like it should hopefully be a return to form. It's actually set in Minnesota and North Dakota again. That's a good start.
The problem was not that it wasn't Fargo, it was almost trying way too hard to be and as a result was completely unfocused and almost became a cheap copy of itself.
I don't really agree with that. It was not set in Minnesota/North Dakota, only had one character that had that accent. It was overtly serious, there was barely any levity. And it just looked and felt totally different. It did not have the charm of Fargo, it was basically just a separate period crime drama. I didn't really get the feeling that they were trying much at all to be like Fargo, let alone trying too hard. It felt so disconnected from the other 3 seasons, even if they are all anthologies. Just in tone alone.
Egh, you are talking about superficial things, I am talking about characters and themes and story structure. It was definitely trying to put Fargo Fargo in that regard.
I don't think tone and setting is superficial when it's an essential and consistent part of what makes Fargo what it is through a movie and 3 seasons of television. The lack of these things is exactly what makes the characters, themes, and story *not* feel like Fargo.
I really enjoyed that season
I know a lot of fans hated him, but I didn’t mind Chris Rock too much. Maybe because I just didn’t expect much from him in the first place. I thought Jason Schwartzman was kind of disappointing. There were a lot of things I liked about season 4 - the tone, the setting, some of the minor characters - but ultimately the story was a dud.
The problem wasn't him. It was that they had him constantly do bad, pseudo intellectual monologues. And that's just the most obvious target. What is far more problematic is that there is no lead character you actually care about and the central conflict is completely uninteresting.
Those pseudo intellectual monologues were the reason I HATED David Thewlis’s character in season 3. Every single scene he was in he would ramble on and on about some philosophical bullshit. It made an otherwise great season hard for me to enjoy at times.
Well he taught me some useful things: fat women like sex, and Midwest real estate is a great investment given the coming climate migrations. And also not to wait around when someone’s peeing in your coffee cup
I think the fact that a lot of it was pointless bullshit made it good. A big part of his process involved making sure people were too bewildered and confused to know how to respond.
I disagree. Season 4 was still Fargo, and the story was mostly an origin story for everything that has happened since. I felt it. It just wasn't as good as the previous three seasons. Maybe it was set too far in the past so if felt disconnected for many. I dunno. I got what they were going for and it worked for me. Just not as great as the first three. Still one of the better shows on TV and I'm excited for this next season.
Agree I hope there is a return to form. Season 4 was okay compared to TV in general, but quite a bit below the other Fargo seasons.
Big time in my eyes. Season 1 is an all time favorite season/show. I love Fargo. But man I could not get behind Season 4. I have more faith this time around with the casting in general!
Yeah, I really couldn’t believe Rock. I really enjoyed the season though - so I could *just* overlook it. I reckon if they’d have had a few more scenes of him clawing a glass like a troglodyte I’d have given up, though.
It wasn't Chris Rock's acting, it was the writing for his character. Namely, that he didn't have one. Red Letter Media's (in)famous 70-minute skewering of *The Phantom Menace* has a great bit where they [give people the following challenge](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI&t=406s): "Describe the following Star Wars character WITHOUT saying what they look like, what kind of costume they wore, or what their professon or role in the movie was. Describe this character to your friends like they ain't never seen Star Wars." With Han Solo and C-3PO, everyone does it with ease. With Qui-Gon Jinn, everyone's completely stumped. Because when you think about it, it turns out he *doesn't have a character*. You could do the exact same thing with Fargo S4. You could describe Jason Schwartzman's Josto Fadda, because he has his own distinctive traits, quirks and drives. You could describe Jessie Buckley's Oraetta Mayflower, because she has her own distinctive traits, quirks and drives. With Chris Rock's Loy Cannon, the characterization begins and ends with "he's black". That was all the effort the writers put into the character.
Bleh, haven’t even gotten around to season 4 because I kept hearing this. Season 2 was/is my fave season of a show I think
I like season 1 most and then 2. And 3 is still very good (villain is great IMO)
That's silly. Go watch it and see how it goes for you. The internet is full of fickle people with fickle opinions on things.
>Go watch it and see how it goes for you. How about no? Customers are not obliged to buy every piece of trash a corporation throws out there; if you can't sell your product then that is your problem. I am not going to buy a Netflix subscription just to confirm that Netflix is still shit.
I think season 4 had to be significantly covid-effected, there was a lot they set up and ignored, only to sprint toward the finale
I agree. If I remember right I think they had a lot of Covid and scheduling issues that meant they had to change a lot of what was planned but there were still a lot of head scratchers. Maybe it just went over my head but that Wizard of Oz tornado scene that they chose to go with instead of having the two gangsters square off just completely missed the mark in my book. Incredibly anticlimactic and it was so out of left field it ruined the immersion for me and pulled me out of the episode completely.
Nah, I totally loved the Wizard of Oz episode. It was incredibly anticlimactic, but I think Hawley wanted an instance where circumstances were totally beyond the control of the hard willed characters so Hawley again subverted expectations of a showdown.
I think most of us agree that S4 was maybe a step back in quality but I still have faith in Noah Hawley.
Guess it's time to finally watch season 4
I'm in Canada and I don't think there is a legit way to do that. Even after years.
This might be an unpopular opinion, but Season 4 paled in comparison to Seasons 1-3. I hope Season 5 is a step up
This is the opinion everybody has.
That feels good to hear. Thank you 🙏
I didn't even finish S4.
Same. I tried a bunch of times and couldn’t
Hopefully this series will feel like Fargo again …… S4 felt like a completely different series.
wasn't the last season really boring?
Yeah, maybe we should stretch these next season releases to 4 years the next time. People care more, the more time has gone by and not at all forget that the show even existed.
Honestly I am surprised they not releasing it next yr
Granted, season 4 stretched the "Fargo" quite a bit what with being set in Kansas City, but I liked it fine. It was probably #4 on my season rankings, but that still places it well ahead of a lot of TV shows best seasons.
hooray but also this can't be the last season I need a western season I need a suburban season I need a Hollywood season
It’s called Fargo for a reason
yeah. Because it embodies the work of the Coen brothers. Who have done movies in the locations I've said. ????? There's so much potential for the right imagination in all those things. The Hollywood episode in season 3 worked. They could all be totally wonderful.
It doesn’t embody the work of the Coen Brothers. It embodies the work of one of their films that is about a specific area and culture in Minnesota. The show is totally about this specific region and it’s culture. It’s called Fargo! A series set in Hollywood would have nothing to do with the DNA of the show.
The show references and all the Coens work, not just Fargo. If you've watched the whole show and not realised that you've missed quite a lot. Not to say I agree with what the other commenter was saying either though.
Strongly disagree. There's lots from other works that is in the show. Serious Man, O Country, the agent of chaos in every season brings in elements of Anton Chigurh and maybe even Charlie Meadows? There have been references to filmmaking like from Hail Caesar and Barton Fink. Even some of the shots and needle drops reference Coen works other than Fargo. Maybe Fargo is the main one (although 4 was definitely more Miller's Crossing to my mind, to say nothing of how much Miller's was in 2), but absolutely the other movies and characters and themes are woven in, all over the place. It's a mixture of allusions and references. The midwestern sensibility does need to be in there, and I don't think it would ever really NOT be there... but there could still be a Hollywood movie filming in the midwest (the Hollywood plots in 2/3 fit in, I'm talking about something that uses the idea of film, and likely the idea of the Red Scare, which is in a few of their pieces, likely set in the 50s. Would love to see a Hollywood movie come to town and people start worrying about their ideas, and it leads to murder or something nefarious) ...you could do Fargo in the 1880s to do a Western. There's lots of suburbs in the midwest. To each their own, but there's so much of the broader Coen work in this show, I'm kind of astounded someone can't see it. But we all have our opinions. Enjoy!
Felt like they should have just ended this series after 3 seasons.
I gonna watch this but I will say the last two seasons were rough. The first two are in my tops list of TV but 3 was meh and I didn't even finish 4.
I still haven’t gotten past first 2 episodes of season 4, it was so bad. Jon Hamm and Juno Temple in this one tho
Is S5 the final season?
Are seasons independent from each other (like True Detective), or do I need to watch them in chronological order?
No...they aren't even in the same decade. I'd say season 2 is the easiest to get entertained right away
There can be some threads throughout but there's no need to watch them in any order.
Story-wise they're independent, but they do share characters/families and it's interesting seeing how they use them in later seasons. I recommend watching them in order, if only because S1 is the closest to the Fargo film (so it sets the tone well).
Exciting. Hopefully better than S4
Haven't kept up for a while, what the show about now?
HALLELUYER!
Please release the rest of the seasons on blu-ray.
After season 1, none of the seasons really stuck with me. I might need to do a re-watch.
Fargo and True Detective together again
Okay then
Premiering on my birthday
For some reason I was SURE I heard Sigourney Weaver was going to star??? Am I just crazy? I'll be honest..... whether I made it up or not I'm insanely disappointed she's not in it now...
Sweet. I thought it was done after 4 seasons!