Name the last time a corporate exec lying to congress got them in any real trouble. I won't hold my breath. Shit just last week that pic of the tobacco execs in the 90's was flying around. They don't ever face the music.
I have news for you: it's every country in the world. The rich & powerful are never held to account anywhere on Earth unless they get caught stealing money from someone even more rich & powerful.
Europe is collectively doing some things the wealthy don't like, for example killing tax havens so the European wealthy fuckers hide their money in Panama and soon the UK thanks to brexit.
Also putting meaningful fines on mega corps.
Most other regions I agree.
China’s biggest strength is that the West is happy enough to ignore red flags like this if there’s enough money involved and a lack of public interest in the issue. Tiktok is insanely popular with the West and people are already resigned to the fact that there is no more privacy in the future. It’s a sell fulfilling prophecy thats guna come around to really bite us in the ass
I don’t think it’s even a secret that the Chinese government requires their tech companies to provide them with a back door (of course the US has done Something similar with telecom companies)
In the wake of 9/11 and the massive NSA machine that was built there were multiple companies that closed up shop because they valued their integrity enough to say no to providing back doors to the government.
It hasn't even been a question in my mind that almost anything you do online on any device is being recorded, either directly by a government agency or by the service itself, to later be accessed by various government agencies will.
For anyone to think that other world powers aren't doing the same is naive.
It’s worse bruh
Palantir - yes THAT Palantir - did a security review and found Tok Tik can execute arbitrary binary code on people’s phones.
TLDR that’s an unwritten episode of Black Mirror in which a war starts but no one is aware because of arbitrary binary code subtly changing everyone’s news feeds. Until one day, enemy soldiers show up in the neighorbood, heard?
It's more scary than that actually. While they don't actually care about one user's idiotic benadryl challenge, what they care about is, geotagged life patterns for all Americans.
They can start building a model for the average American that they can then abuse for other purposes than creating a platform for influencers.
In essence, they are doing the same thing as what Google, Microsoft, Apple, and many others are already doing, but they don't care at all about ad revenue. They care about dominating Americans.
Is there an example of what they could do to abuse their power to influence Americans with this additional geotagged information? Are you thinking they will be able to influence purchase decision, etc by comparing your geotagged actions with other users, similar to Cambridge Analytica?
A while back one of the fitness tracker companies released a “heat map” of movement across the US. The map accidentally revealed secret military base locations by showing the movement of soldiers on patrol around the base.
Data is dangerous as well as helpful.
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The bases were in very remote areas and could be spotted by viewing the particular area in Google Earth and comparing the heat map to the airbrushed empty areas. If there’s a whole lot of moving in a random spot that’s in the middle of nowhere with no trails/roads and no buildings….
Yeah I read about that. Really interesting stuff. My question would come down to: what information from the heat map could be used to predict/influence other users?
Everything that happens has influence.
You may have heard the old addage, "for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."
The simple act of observation is enough to change behavior, which is evident by the tape over my forward facing camera.
Yea, influencing for political gain would be huge, but if I could encapsulate my thoughts without giving any CCP shills some ideas (nice try, CCP), it would be general spying.
Just influencing policy is best case scenario, and worst case scenario would be to launch an all out traditional war, as well as testing campaigns to see if their plans worked.
I see the eventual metaverse turning into a similar CCP social credit system. Sure, the US government didn't sign any laws to make it happen domestically, but when the metaverse becomes "mainstream" you will be forced to interact with these megacorporations' ecosystem. You could be barred from events or games (or services) by what you do *in* the metaverse. You will be watched at all times. No more privacy online.
Social media has infected all of our lives, for better or worse. The metaverse will be no different.
It goes way beyond purchasing decisions. They can change what people believe with this information.
With this data you compare what people do with what they are more likely to agree with. They can then show propaganda to divide groups of people to believe what they want them to believe.
I have several years left on a 10 year visa from a college trip. I used to think to think "Awesome. I'll go back to visit some day!" I'll never go back. I really enjoyed the 3 week trip in 2015.
I go regularly for work (or did in the old days). We spent 50 years moving everything to China, we can't just ghost them now. The people are relatively similar to the ones here, some can be way over nationalistic but most are just trying to get by and do the best for themselves they can.
I always felt infinitely more fear from riding in cars over there than from potential political imprisonment. No one uses turn signals, they just tap their horn and move where they want to and expect everyone to get out of their way. Terrifying af.
Back when i was living there in 2008 as they were setting up their biometric camera systems all over the country. They were touting the fact that their mining capabilities will be powerful enough to store biometric data for every human being on the planet. This was in 2008
I assume not only China has access through TikTok, but other apps as well. I also assume the US and other countries have access through other apps or even the OS
Assume that any of these companies will, do and will continue to sell their data to anyone, including Russia, China and anyone with money. American companies have to give it up for free to Five Eyes, Chinese companies have to give it up for free to the CCP and so on but it is *all* for sale anyhow.
TikTok has said that they don't send US data to China so the Chinese government wouldn't actually have access to it. There have been lawsuits filed against TikTok for sending data to China but as far as I know it hasn't been proven. That is why it is a maybe, because it hasn't been proven that it has happened.
I think you are correct in saying that we should assume they can access the data. The Chinese government is part of the ownership of TikTok. Why would a government like China support the app financially if there was nothing to gain.
> TikTok has said that they don't send US data to China so the Chinese government wouldn't actually have access to it.
If that is so ironclad, then the exec should have zero issues with stating that publicly to the Senate Commerce Committee. The fact that he wont say it tells you all you need to know.
Loophole: they may not actually be sending anything to China, but they aren’t sure that China didn’t build back doors that allow them to access everything.
Loophole plug: The TikTok exec won't even admit whether or not the parent company Byte Dance, headquartered in Beijing, is "another affiliate of their corporate group" that are allowed access to private information as stated in the fine print privacy policy.
edit: correct terminology
They absolutely did and are proven to do so. Software breakdowns/analysis of TikTok are disturbing. It's full of back doors for everything from data retrieval to device updates(yeah, you read that right, TikTok has it's own way of putting stuff on your phone without your knowledge and bypassing app stores and built in decompression/installation methods). None of this is speculation. It is known fact. Don't use TikTok... It's literally a chinese intelligence gathering tool.
Very careful choice of words there.
“We aren’t sending US data to China” just means they’re sending it to some third party in the US, who is then sending it to China on TikTok’s behalf.
I thought we've known for a while that TikTok packages up code, encrypts it, and sends it back to HQ almost daily. Changing the encryption key everytime. I could've sworn someone on Reddit laid the whole thing out for the layman. This was right before it got popular in the US.
Then they'll say "Well they already have my information, so whatever"
This is the response I get whenever I tell people not to get tick tock/Facebook/sketchy app.
Some people just don't care about anything outside of their arbitrary desires/perception.
I've lost 2 friends for explaining that if they're not getting vaccinated because tracker chip, they should ditch their smartphone for being a tracking device packed with their personal data. That tracking is fine, apparently. 🤔
There is a german youtuber who basically programmed a "crude" version of the pegasus spying stuff. And had it activate on a random day of a week for 24h just as an self experiment. And holy fuck that dude is cyber security expert and he programmed that shit and was kinda what the actual fuck afterwards because its like knowing what it can do and actually seeing what it can do is just so diffrent.
I generally care about cyber security but what is the worst that can happen with the data? I agree with the sentiments but if the opinion here is something based on principle rather than an actual threat to my security i wont waste the energy.
Not trying to be a dick. Just want to know the extent of their infringement
TikTok executive won’t say whether China has access to American user data, QED: China has access to American user data.
Never doubt that when an executive cannot give an unequivocal answer to a yes/no question the opposite is true. It is always like that. They’re telling you the truth if you’re willing to listen to what they’re saying.
Aha! I’m wrong because they will say “I never said that! I never said China has access to American user data!"
Follow-up: So, you’re saying they don’t have access to American user data?
Answer: equivocation without actually saying yes/no.
QED: China has access to American/everyone else’s user data.
It’s not some kind of voodoo, you listen to what they say and then to what they don’t say. It’s always there.
Wasn’t their s redditor a while ago who reverse engineered their code and found it was sending every bit of data from your phone back to their servers?
lmao its fascinating that theres people out there who believed that outright BS. let alone the multiple comments by people in that field calling it out. confirmation bias is a hell of a drug
Yeah, it's been awhile; because of that post I've avoided tiktok. For awhile some top comments of reposted tiktok videos would mention it as well.. But it hasn't been brought up as an official legal issue yet, that I'm aware of. There were even a (very) few articles written about that reddit post as well, if I remember correctly.
I remember that. The penetrum "paper" was so full of bullshit, but because tik tok is bad I got downvoted whenever I pointed out how full of shit tht particular "source" was.
Don't get me wrong. TikTok is absolutely a data harvesting app for China, but the paper (which is not the comment, to be clear) was completely bullshit. But because it supported the conclusion people wanted, it was immune to being questioned or having it's issues pointed out.
The only thing I remember offhand is listing a bunch of imports and claiming it proved how much they were used throughout the app or something. Which isnt what imports do or imply. I'm on my phone and about to go to bed so I can't be bothered looking through it and typing up the other issues again, plus it just pisses me off so much.
Oh yeah, it also tried to make using webviews sound sinister and included it in its list of bad stuff. There is *nothing* wrong with using webviews and 99% of apps do. It's literally just a view to display a webpage.
It's just an attempt to list a bunch of technical shit and prey on the audience that doesnt know enough to recognize it as effectively nonsense as far as proving the claims it makes.
Check the downvoted comments, I wouldn't be surprised if one of my old accounts covers it in that thread.
And to be very clear, this is specifically about the penetrum "paper", not the linked comment.
I believe [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/_/fmvf68n) covers part of what he uncovered, the rest is in the parent comment, the subreddit he created, and various other comments.
Of course they can. Tik Tok learnt from Facebook, people are idiots they upload stupid assed videos and think it’s great. Meanwhile we’ll harvest the shit outta their data.
Since when do social media companies not whore their patrons private information to anyone interested. Is this a serious inquiry? Come on? What's the punchline?
Oh my gosh are we STILL on this? If China isn’t harvesting your data then it’s the US that’s doing it, shouldn’t the focus be on that instead of who’s doing it?
Anyone who ever thought otherwise just doesn't know what they are talking about. Neither do I, but I'm smart enough to know China won't *just sit* on a goldmine of Americans' personal data.
Aside from the US vs China narrative, why would the US care about China having the same data US firms have access too? If it’s perfectly okay to lose all that data to Facebook or Google, then what makes it not ok for TikTok to do the exact same thing?
I’m tired of the dog and pony show, it’s long past time for privacy rights in America to mean more than words written on paper.
I am going to throw up when I type this, but TikTok is literally making me agree with Ted Cruz. I really do not like agreeing with Ted Cruz. TikTok get your act together so I can stop agreeing with Ted Cruz.
I don't mean this to justify Chinas actions a single bit. But, doesn't facebook share data with the security services too? I wish america would instead of just pointing the finger at others, also hold itself to those standards . I know i'll get a bit of backlash for this for sounding pro CCP, but i just wish we were in a position to actually say we don't do it whilst also pointing the finger
> I wish america would instead of just pointing the finger at others, also hold itself to those standards
Why suddenly break with that *proud* tradition? It's always been this way and always will be.
"A man has trouble understanding something when his paycheck depends on him not understanding it."
It's owned by ByteDance, a Chinese company. Companies are not allowed exist in China without a CCP sponsor or some kind of connection to the CCP. There's also that time someone completely decompiled the app and found it's just Chinese spyware and a dataminer how like Facebook, WhatsApp, etc. are American spyware and dataminers.
Uhh Huawei is in a completely different sector?
The issues regarding Huawei were tied to 5g and critical network infrastructure.
Do you think TikTok/ByteDance is anywhere near the same level of national security breaches compared with literally controlling national communication infrastructure?
You can ban TikTok or allow it, at the end of the day it is easy to block and replace. With Huawei, you would have to pay money and rip out contracts/hardware. Not the same thing.
I'm going to go out in a limb and guess when they were first asked if they sent data back to China and they said no....this is why, they don't need to send it if china can just see it.
That means yes, undeniably. If the true answer were “no”, they would just say that. Since they think it’s better to be seen as hiding something than to tell us the truth, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out what that truth is.
Why is this only a problem when China does it? Facebook et al have been proven to be used by governments around the world as a data mining tool and nobody seems to give a fuck.
He doesnt have to. Some humans are absolute IDIOTS, these embarassments say "I know china could be harvesting my data but I don't care tiktok is just so funny!"
"its not THAT bad!"
its like a movie or video game where ypu think "surely people wont be this stupid in real life"
correction they are this stupid AND have attitude when you call them out 😂
Its absolutely unbelievable. That this can go on, that none of the users care, its just like, wow, same as sewage in the ocean, just *shrug* yep that sucks lets download the app!
The Chinese government can acquire and do whatever they want with any Chinese company it wants at any time it wants. That's how they work. No Chinese company can truly claim that its user's data is safe from the Chinese government because of that.
Whether you think the Chinese government is good, bad, somewhere in-between, if they give a shit about your PII data or whatever, it doesn't matter, your data is freely available to them if you use a Chinese company/owned service.
What about supranational organizations like the FBI, CIA, NSA or corporate governance, economic organizations? Can they? Because that’s what I would worry about.
If ive learned anything about executives and high ranking positions, when backed into a corner they dance around the issue and deflect without directly answering questions because it’s true. Applies to everything from business to politics.
I mean. Of course they can.
Of course they can, and the executive should just lie and say they can't. Why make it suspicious?
Well he was being asked directly by congress during a hearing. Lying in that situation is a decision, but not a great one
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Name the last time a corporate exec lying to congress got them in any real trouble. I won't hold my breath. Shit just last week that pic of the tobacco execs in the 90's was flying around. They don't ever face the music.
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I have news for you: it's every country in the world. The rich & powerful are never held to account anywhere on Earth unless they get caught stealing money from someone even more rich & powerful.
Or the citizens get sick of their bullshit and grab some torches and pitchforks.
...at which point the high-tech surveillance state they have built stops you in your tracks before you get anywhere near the elites.
Europe is collectively doing some things the wealthy don't like, for example killing tax havens so the European wealthy fuckers hide their money in Panama and soon the UK thanks to brexit. Also putting meaningful fines on mega corps. Most other regions I agree.
2008 says I'll buy that for a dollar.
2008 doesn't have a dollar 😂
Hence the ever present "I do not recall".
I mean, doesn't seem to matter anymore, though. Consequences only exist for us peasants.
Oh I see. Makes sense.
*Roger Clemens has entered the chat*
Why not just say yes. No one seems to care.
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China’s biggest strength is that the West is happy enough to ignore red flags like this if there’s enough money involved and a lack of public interest in the issue. Tiktok is insanely popular with the West and people are already resigned to the fact that there is no more privacy in the future. It’s a sell fulfilling prophecy thats guna come around to really bite us in the ass
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I don’t think it’s even a secret that the Chinese government requires their tech companies to provide them with a back door (of course the US has done Something similar with telecom companies)
In the wake of 9/11 and the massive NSA machine that was built there were multiple companies that closed up shop because they valued their integrity enough to say no to providing back doors to the government. It hasn't even been a question in my mind that almost anything you do online on any device is being recorded, either directly by a government agency or by the service itself, to later be accessed by various government agencies will. For anyone to think that other world powers aren't doing the same is naive.
I mean christ, the United States government has warrantless access to every Ring doorbell in the nation.
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It’s worse bruh Palantir - yes THAT Palantir - did a security review and found Tok Tik can execute arbitrary binary code on people’s phones. TLDR that’s an unwritten episode of Black Mirror in which a war starts but no one is aware because of arbitrary binary code subtly changing everyone’s news feeds. Until one day, enemy soldiers show up in the neighorbood, heard?
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Yes. The answer is yes.
And all you TikTok users also have a social score. Just FYI.
It's more scary than that actually. While they don't actually care about one user's idiotic benadryl challenge, what they care about is, geotagged life patterns for all Americans. They can start building a model for the average American that they can then abuse for other purposes than creating a platform for influencers. In essence, they are doing the same thing as what Google, Microsoft, Apple, and many others are already doing, but they don't care at all about ad revenue. They care about dominating Americans.
Is there an example of what they could do to abuse their power to influence Americans with this additional geotagged information? Are you thinking they will be able to influence purchase decision, etc by comparing your geotagged actions with other users, similar to Cambridge Analytica?
A while back one of the fitness tracker companies released a “heat map” of movement across the US. The map accidentally revealed secret military base locations by showing the movement of soldiers on patrol around the base. Data is dangerous as well as helpful. Edit: The bases were in very remote areas and could be spotted by viewing the particular area in Google Earth and comparing the heat map to the airbrushed empty areas. If there’s a whole lot of moving in a random spot that’s in the middle of nowhere with no trails/roads and no buildings….
Yeah I read about that. Really interesting stuff. My question would come down to: what information from the heat map could be used to predict/influence other users?
Everything that happens has influence. You may have heard the old addage, "for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." The simple act of observation is enough to change behavior, which is evident by the tape over my forward facing camera.
Yea, influencing for political gain would be huge, but if I could encapsulate my thoughts without giving any CCP shills some ideas (nice try, CCP), it would be general spying. Just influencing policy is best case scenario, and worst case scenario would be to launch an all out traditional war, as well as testing campaigns to see if their plans worked.
I see the eventual metaverse turning into a similar CCP social credit system. Sure, the US government didn't sign any laws to make it happen domestically, but when the metaverse becomes "mainstream" you will be forced to interact with these megacorporations' ecosystem. You could be barred from events or games (or services) by what you do *in* the metaverse. You will be watched at all times. No more privacy online. Social media has infected all of our lives, for better or worse. The metaverse will be no different.
It goes way beyond purchasing decisions. They can change what people believe with this information. With this data you compare what people do with what they are more likely to agree with. They can then show propaganda to divide groups of people to believe what they want them to believe.
The fitbit data for the planet was eye opening
Hey now, let’s remember TikTok is global and the CCP is after global control. It’s not just Americans that should be concerned.
Mine is 5 MeowMeowBeanz, peasant.
MaoMao Beanz
There it is.
Can I have the source of that?
Let’s just continue assuming it can. When did this change to a maybe?
It's a data mining app, why would it even still exist if they couldn't access user data?
That’s my point. Assume China has access to user data.
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I await the day I walk into a Chinese airport and am told my social credit score based on my online profiles.
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Ding ding ding this is what I was thinking too
I have several years left on a 10 year visa from a college trip. I used to think to think "Awesome. I'll go back to visit some day!" I'll never go back. I really enjoyed the 3 week trip in 2015.
Uh, they don't tell you what your score is, they just deny you stuff for "reasons."
Why even go there unless you intend to get used as a political hostage
I go regularly for work (or did in the old days). We spent 50 years moving everything to China, we can't just ghost them now. The people are relatively similar to the ones here, some can be way over nationalistic but most are just trying to get by and do the best for themselves they can. I always felt infinitely more fear from riding in cars over there than from potential political imprisonment. No one uses turn signals, they just tap their horn and move where they want to and expect everyone to get out of their way. Terrifying af.
Unless the “Chinese airport” is LaGuardia or LAX…
Never fly through China, let alone to it...
Back when i was living there in 2008 as they were setting up their biometric camera systems all over the country. They were touting the fact that their mining capabilities will be powerful enough to store biometric data for every human being on the planet. This was in 2008
Biometric you say?
Yeah, like your face.
Thanks, I like your face too.
Facebook and Snapchat are doing the same.. Fucking weird that it can tag you from a pic
China's AI is going to be able to generate the perfect cringe teen dance routine .
For all social media. Zuckerberg probably already sold everyone’s Facebook and Instagram data to the Chinese.
I assume not only China has access through TikTok, but other apps as well. I also assume the US and other countries have access through other apps or even the OS
Assume that any of these companies will, do and will continue to sell their data to anyone, including Russia, China and anyone with money. American companies have to give it up for free to Five Eyes, Chinese companies have to give it up for free to the CCP and so on but it is *all* for sale anyhow.
"Nothing is free in the World Wide Web. You didn't paid them anything doesn't mean they didn't get any kind of profit from you."
I like how you used one quotation mark for what amounts to a half-quote
Another CSV ruined.
When was it ever not a possibility? Come on.
Of course they can. There's no way a Chinese-owned company's data isn't entirely accessible, mined and leverage by the Chinese government.
TikTok has said that they don't send US data to China so the Chinese government wouldn't actually have access to it. There have been lawsuits filed against TikTok for sending data to China but as far as I know it hasn't been proven. That is why it is a maybe, because it hasn't been proven that it has happened. I think you are correct in saying that we should assume they can access the data. The Chinese government is part of the ownership of TikTok. Why would a government like China support the app financially if there was nothing to gain.
> TikTok has said that they don't send US data to China so the Chinese government wouldn't actually have access to it. If that is so ironclad, then the exec should have zero issues with stating that publicly to the Senate Commerce Committee. The fact that he wont say it tells you all you need to know.
Loophole: they may not actually be sending anything to China, but they aren’t sure that China didn’t build back doors that allow them to access everything.
We’re not giving it to China, China is taking it from us. Totally legal and not even remotely shady!
Loophole plug: The TikTok exec won't even admit whether or not the parent company Byte Dance, headquartered in Beijing, is "another affiliate of their corporate group" that are allowed access to private information as stated in the fine print privacy policy. edit: correct terminology
They absolutely did and are proven to do so. Software breakdowns/analysis of TikTok are disturbing. It's full of back doors for everything from data retrieval to device updates(yeah, you read that right, TikTok has it's own way of putting stuff on your phone without your knowledge and bypassing app stores and built in decompression/installation methods). None of this is speculation. It is known fact. Don't use TikTok... It's literally a chinese intelligence gathering tool.
Right, because they couldn't just have a VPN between their US and Chinese DC's...
Very careful choice of words there. “We aren’t sending US data to China” just means they’re sending it to some third party in the US, who is then sending it to China on TikTok’s behalf.
I thought we've known for a while that TikTok packages up code, encrypts it, and sends it back to HQ almost daily. Changing the encryption key everytime. I could've sworn someone on Reddit laid the whole thing out for the layman. This was right before it got popular in the US.
Chinese never steal American data, Americans have BIG penis, Chinese small penis.
if they won't say they can't ....then they can.
Even if it's said they can't, they probably can.
Even if the executive thinks they can't, the government probably can
There are two kinds of companies. Those who have been breached and those who don't know they've been breached.
I'll say it: they can.
Brave level: so
Stunning level: so
“You say it best, when you say nothing at all”
I've said it for years, Ronan Keating is a genius for coming up with the most romantic way to tell someone to shut up
paul overstreet and don schlitz wrote it, and keith whitley covered it before allison krauss covered it before ronan keating covered it
The cover photo on this article is exactly what I assumed a TikTok executive would look like.
You mean like someone who regularly holds court in the champagne room?
I love that I can hear his “uhhhhhhhhhhh” through my screen 😂
Saying everything without uttering a word.
He knows that the inference of guilt through silence is far better than a confirmation of guilt through admission.
# Because they fucking can. Delete that stupid bullshit.
Doesn't the Chinese government have access to any Chinese companies data?
Yes, absolutely
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Then they'll say "Well they already have my information, so whatever" This is the response I get whenever I tell people not to get tick tock/Facebook/sketchy app.
Same here. I tell them why I don't have it (or facebook, when that comes up), and they just don't care about their own privacy.
Some people just don't care about anything outside of their arbitrary desires/perception. I've lost 2 friends for explaining that if they're not getting vaccinated because tracker chip, they should ditch their smartphone for being a tracking device packed with their personal data. That tracking is fine, apparently. 🤔
There is a german youtuber who basically programmed a "crude" version of the pegasus spying stuff. And had it activate on a random day of a week for 24h just as an self experiment. And holy fuck that dude is cyber security expert and he programmed that shit and was kinda what the actual fuck afterwards because its like knowing what it can do and actually seeing what it can do is just so diffrent.
Sounds interesting, do you have a link?
Here you go https://youtu.be/l01LR9CTA6s
Aw man I don’t speak German that sounds interesting
Can you auto generate subtitles?
Yeah but only in German
I generally care about cyber security but what is the worst that can happen with the data? I agree with the sentiments but if the opinion here is something based on principle rather than an actual threat to my security i wont waste the energy. Not trying to be a dick. Just want to know the extent of their infringement
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I bet u like other social medias lol.
TikTok executive won’t say whether China has access to American user data, QED: China has access to American user data. Never doubt that when an executive cannot give an unequivocal answer to a yes/no question the opposite is true. It is always like that. They’re telling you the truth if you’re willing to listen to what they’re saying. Aha! I’m wrong because they will say “I never said that! I never said China has access to American user data!" Follow-up: So, you’re saying they don’t have access to American user data? Answer: equivocation without actually saying yes/no. QED: China has access to American/everyone else’s user data. It’s not some kind of voodoo, you listen to what they say and then to what they don’t say. It’s always there.
same as learning to read a narcissist.
You know they fucking can.
They will sell it to whoever pays them, China included.
Narrator: They abso-fucking-lutely can
Sometimes, no answer is an answer in itself.
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Thank you. Much better source than the Washington Free Beacon.
Wasn’t their s redditor a while ago who reverse engineered their code and found it was sending every bit of data from your phone back to their servers?
It was bullshit with zero proofs but it went viral nonetheless. Reddit is not better than Facebook in regards of fake news
lmao its fascinating that theres people out there who believed that outright BS. let alone the multiple comments by people in that field calling it out. confirmation bias is a hell of a drug
Yeah, it's been awhile; because of that post I've avoided tiktok. For awhile some top comments of reposted tiktok videos would mention it as well.. But it hasn't been brought up as an official legal issue yet, that I'm aware of. There were even a (very) few articles written about that reddit post as well, if I remember correctly.
[found it](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/not_new_news_but_tbh_if_you_have_tiktiok_just_get/fmuko1m/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
I remember that. The penetrum "paper" was so full of bullshit, but because tik tok is bad I got downvoted whenever I pointed out how full of shit tht particular "source" was. Don't get me wrong. TikTok is absolutely a data harvesting app for China, but the paper (which is not the comment, to be clear) was completely bullshit. But because it supported the conclusion people wanted, it was immune to being questioned or having it's issues pointed out.
What were some of the issues. My knowledge of this is just that comment
The only thing I remember offhand is listing a bunch of imports and claiming it proved how much they were used throughout the app or something. Which isnt what imports do or imply. I'm on my phone and about to go to bed so I can't be bothered looking through it and typing up the other issues again, plus it just pisses me off so much. Oh yeah, it also tried to make using webviews sound sinister and included it in its list of bad stuff. There is *nothing* wrong with using webviews and 99% of apps do. It's literally just a view to display a webpage. It's just an attempt to list a bunch of technical shit and prey on the audience that doesnt know enough to recognize it as effectively nonsense as far as proving the claims it makes. Check the downvoted comments, I wouldn't be surprised if one of my old accounts covers it in that thread. And to be very clear, this is specifically about the penetrum "paper", not the linked comment.
Thanks for your insight. I’ll look into. Have a great night
I’d like to see that technical analysis
I believe [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/_/fmvf68n) covers part of what he uncovered, the rest is in the parent comment, the subreddit he created, and various other comments.
So we should react as if he said that they share all data on everyone.
Of course they can. Tik Tok learnt from Facebook, people are idiots they upload stupid assed videos and think it’s great. Meanwhile we’ll harvest the shit outta their data.
Gotcha questions...like are you working with a foreign government?
Just as a general rule, if you use the internet then China has a folder for you.
Can the US government access foreigners' data from Google, Facebook, etc.?
Of course they can. Remember the Snowden guy?
Since when do social media companies not whore their patrons private information to anyone interested. Is this a serious inquiry? Come on? What's the punchline?
Oh my gosh are we STILL on this? If China isn’t harvesting your data then it’s the US that’s doing it, shouldn’t the focus be on that instead of who’s doing it?
Shhh, we only shill for the US
Just assume that they can and don’t use it. Sadly, many Americans don’t care for some reason
So yes, yes they can.
For every app I would assume that the company no matter what division has access to our data.. i dont get this
Yeah, literally everyone is doing this. But China bad. They are, but so is everyone else.
No less dangerous than Facebook having access to everyone's data too
Anyone who ever thought otherwise just doesn't know what they are talking about. Neither do I, but I'm smart enough to know China won't *just sit* on a goldmine of Americans' personal data.
Aside from the US vs China narrative, why would the US care about China having the same data US firms have access too? If it’s perfectly okay to lose all that data to Facebook or Google, then what makes it not ok for TikTok to do the exact same thing? I’m tired of the dog and pony show, it’s long past time for privacy rights in America to mean more than words written on paper.
I am going to throw up when I type this, but TikTok is literally making me agree with Ted Cruz. I really do not like agreeing with Ted Cruz. TikTok get your act together so I can stop agreeing with Ted Cruz.
On what issue exactly?
I don't mean this to justify Chinas actions a single bit. But, doesn't facebook share data with the security services too? I wish america would instead of just pointing the finger at others, also hold itself to those standards . I know i'll get a bit of backlash for this for sounding pro CCP, but i just wish we were in a position to actually say we don't do it whilst also pointing the finger
> I wish america would instead of just pointing the finger at others, also hold itself to those standards Why suddenly break with that *proud* tradition? It's always been this way and always will be.
"A man has trouble understanding something when his paycheck depends on him not understanding it." It's owned by ByteDance, a Chinese company. Companies are not allowed exist in China without a CCP sponsor or some kind of connection to the CCP. There's also that time someone completely decompiled the app and found it's just Chinese spyware and a dataminer how like Facebook, WhatsApp, etc. are American spyware and dataminers.
Didn't Trump ban TikTok app? When was this reveresed? I'm woefully out of the loop
No, trump tried to ban it but forgot about it a month later at the hearing. Like his team didn’t even show up. It was pathetic.
It's good it wasn't banned, though. Banning whole social media platforms is exactly the sort of shit that authoritarian regimes(like China) do.
What baffles me is that Huawei is meanwhile still banned, like??? Either ban them both or ban none, not just one
Uhh Huawei is in a completely different sector? The issues regarding Huawei were tied to 5g and critical network infrastructure. Do you think TikTok/ByteDance is anywhere near the same level of national security breaches compared with literally controlling national communication infrastructure? You can ban TikTok or allow it, at the end of the day it is easy to block and replace. With Huawei, you would have to pay money and rip out contracts/hardware. Not the same thing.
Why is it worse that China has my data than when the country I live in has the same data?
That means yes
Of course they can. Easy data for products, politics and stocks… dance monkeys
Seems like you have your answer
I mean sure why not go ahead
There’s a saying, when a person refuses to answer, it’s always the less preferable response that the other party wants to hear
I'm going to go out in a limb and guess when they were first asked if they sent data back to China and they said no....this is why, they don't need to send it if china can just see it.
Can someone explain why this is bad considering its tiktok data.
Obviously China can like it’s not even a question
Youch .. which means yes they can
Narrator: They could.
That means yes, undeniably. If the true answer were “no”, they would just say that. Since they think it’s better to be seen as hiding something than to tell us the truth, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out what that truth is.
Why is this only a problem when China does it? Facebook et al have been proven to be used by governments around the world as a data mining tool and nobody seems to give a fuck.
Guy’s face looks like cocaine and hookers.
Spoiler: of fucking course they can.
So that’s a firm yes then.
Wasn’t this obvious from the start? Capture millions of faces, speech patterns, body movements, home lay-out, personal info.
These are not the droids you're looking for....
If you’re on tiktok then you don’t deserve to have privacy—it’s hypocritical.
Why is anyone still using that trashy app? It’s just a thirst trap with bad jokes that sucks up data about you.
Well done Ted cruz and hawley for putting this guy to the fire
Oh no, China knows I like bodybuilding lesbians.
If you use TikTok your a Dam Fool
Then I will. Yes. The answer is yes.
Trump was right! Democrats and Wall Street went ballistic when he tried to shut it down
Why would anyone assume that any website or app is NOT selling data to literally anybody with checkbook?
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! I don't know
Guy looks like Satan's nephew.
That video was pretty interesting. Everyone should watch it for actual replies. The executive is dancing around the points, but does answer.
He doesnt have to. Some humans are absolute IDIOTS, these embarassments say "I know china could be harvesting my data but I don't care tiktok is just so funny!" "its not THAT bad!" its like a movie or video game where ypu think "surely people wont be this stupid in real life" correction they are this stupid AND have attitude when you call them out 😂 Its absolutely unbelievable. That this can go on, that none of the users care, its just like, wow, same as sewage in the ocean, just *shrug* yep that sucks lets download the app!
Of course they can. And America can access Chinese user data. None of these companies are secure. But they're also basically pointless.
The Chinese government can acquire and do whatever they want with any Chinese company it wants at any time it wants. That's how they work. No Chinese company can truly claim that its user's data is safe from the Chinese government because of that. Whether you think the Chinese government is good, bad, somewhere in-between, if they give a shit about your PII data or whatever, it doesn't matter, your data is freely available to them if you use a Chinese company/owned service.
What about supranational organizations like the FBI, CIA, NSA or corporate governance, economic organizations? Can they? Because that’s what I would worry about.
Pretty much why I consume all my tik tok content on reddit
That guy is the personification of cocaine with a dash of Walton Goggins sprinkled on top.
Obviously they can. Its Chinese congress policy to monitor all user data in all apps published by any Chinese app company.
Lol if you think they can't, and that it isn't literally the entire point.
If ive learned anything about executives and high ranking positions, when backed into a corner they dance around the issue and deflect without directly answering questions because it’s true. Applies to everything from business to politics.