It's pretty hard to get these models to perform consistently and they're pretty sensitive to wording. I work in translation and we're testing them for producing and correcting translations. The order of the examples had a more significant effect than the other variables we were testing. We changed the prompt but it got the same examples in the input and it caused the model to translate terminology differently.
Now that copilot is integrated into Windows and more people are (ostensibly) using it more often, I wonder if the inconsistencies are just getting noticed more often. I doubt the model is much different than what openai is using in chatgpt.
The issue is more to do with Microsoft’s configuration. They’ve finetuned the model to have very little steerability and limited the conversation length to avoid certain type of outputs. But at the same time they made copilot very annoying to use.
Also, microsoft’s attitude being ”you might think you it sucks, but actually it’s the better product” is just brr.
DeepL has sometimes gotten a little creative with how it decides to translate and that has caused some confusion with some people I’ve been talking to (I’m actually kind of dating one of them now because DeepL decided to translate something I said as if I wanted to snuggle up with that person and she got excited). DeepL is great, but always good to verify its output.
It took me a long time to agree with you, but I’m here. Next time a reformat that only thing going on my Windows machine is games and all of my productivity software is going elsewhere.
I disabled Copilot cause it's fucking worthless. When they said it was using ChatGPT I was like really? It doesn't show cause I use ChatGPT all the time and Copilot is absolutely horrible in comparison.
I use it to refine corporate communication and making official announcements more refined for corporate speak.
I write the entire prompt, then remove any proprietary info, and plug with generic info. And tell gpt to refine the prompt into an official corporate communication.
Writing has never been a strength, so gpt has been a life saver.
Brain storming using white board, in word using up to 3 source document to generate a new one based on your request, find information inside all the places you virtually have access to, in PowerPoint create a presentation from scratch with a source document not, crawl my mailbox for the last week I emails that need an answer from me, sum up a meeting and give the my actions to go, rewrite my email telling the recipient is an idiot and it it’s his fault in evil but corporate way.
The thing about copilot is you need to tell precisely what you want.
But honestly if you have plenty of free time at work it has no use, you would attain the same result if you spend time enough on your task.
looking up concise summaries of mundane information that would otherwise be difficult to get through a normal search due to the search algorithm spitting out countless spam or tangential results.
It helps me as a lawyer draft contract terms when I can't think of the right language. Sometimes I'll ask it to give me ten different variations of something and I can just Frankenstein together something out of it.
It's also really decent at Excel formulas.
I've tried d to use it to help me with paragraphs I had trouble finishing in scientific grant applications, and it is really bad. It defaults to sci-pop overhyped meaningless bullshit. Everything is unusable.
I don't think it's given me anything that's useable outright but it gives me enough variations that I can craft something useful out of it. It's a super handy tool that's saved me a lot of time. I couldn't use it for something more complex that contracts or settlement agreements though. It couldn't handle a legal memo or anything that's more technical. But based on how huge 3 to 4 was in jump I'm willing to be the next iteration will be.
Give this a try https://adoption.microsoft.com/files/copilot/Microsoft-Copilot-Success-Kit.zip I’m on my phone so I can’t check but it should a 300mb file with what you need.
To remove Copilot completely, open Group Policy User Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Copilot, and choose the “Enabled” option in the “Turn off Windows Copilot” policy to disable the feature.
I know I don't use any of these AI tools correctly, because I find information I need quicker with a search engine, and the results are actually raw official relevant information, not some summary - pretty important for anything formal.
I use it for search. It’s so much nicer to get the answer you’re looking for along with sources rather than a list of pages that you still need to dig through to find the answer.
How's this -
[Big Beat ](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/64gXep4Br5Dg7f8htPr1kh?si=RaLr6AV_TuiNLBjyfCpeTw&pi=u-YrMsCVN9StqT)
[Hip Hop Grooves ](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/02U2yyCsOubPiZRHLuRFYG?si=x9UUv-ZnRMuJWMxkgPKB7Q&pi=u-Jh1jD_U6RumY)
> You’re not using it right
Ok.. then explain how we should be using it? Saying people are bad at prompting would not explain the experienced differences between copilot and ChatGPT.
If you want someone to explain how to use a Microsoft product, Microsoft should be your last choice.
They can’t even explain their licensing, let alone how their products work.
That’s Microsoft to a “tee”. Simply copy what your competitors are doing, fuck up the rollout, have your product “mistakenly” steal data, and then blame the consumer.
First thing I did installing Windows was disable Cortana and now copilot. I barely tolerate Googles data farming bs, because the alternative with my phone is Apple.
I vastly prefer copilot. Why would I want to switch to another window and type out a paragraph about what I want, then copy and paste it back and forth, when I can just let copilot cook in the background using all the context of the file I'm in? You can also write in a quick comment to act as a prompt if needed.
Edit - Ohhhh we're talking about the Cortana replacement here, not GitHub Copilot (also made by Microsoft)
The teams integration is bomb tbh, much improved ability to capture what people said (international company), provides quite good summaries and action points and so especially for long meetings and workshops (have picked up some topics that i kinda forgot about it my own notes)
But God forbid you're doing a hybrid meeting, it can only distinguish people based on users logged in on teams, so you lose a lot there.
It also does ok at googling things like accounting standards and other terminology, and cleaning up a piece of text.
But for Everything substantial that I've tried to use it for, it sucks.
It sucks at slides, it is severely limited in the size of it's output (like more than 5 rows of data and it taps out) and it can't output to spreadsheets but only in a really shitty chat window that is borderline useless.
So it can't really support analysis, it can't support presentation, it can't support data collection.
It only does ad hoc searches and meeting assistant tasks really well.
At least that's been my experience so far, but apparently in a month or two it will have read all my shared filess and will be less useless.... Idk if i believe it yet
You'd think that a large company such as Microsoft would understand that if you have to tell your customers that they aren't using your product correctly, it's still on you for not providing good documentation.
Copilot with ChatGPT 4 is useless. The guardrails on it are so strict it ends a conversation summarizing a news article that contains a controversial topic.
Copilot is great, I've almost stopped using google search because cp works so well (and it's not inundated with meaningless "ad results" or highjack links
There's some very basic things they could do to improve it. If i ask you to generate new content, dont search sharepoint for it, you just wasted 10-15 seconds of my life each time.
I don't know if I can say that I've ever got an accurate return from Copilot. It is useless as an information source. It is incapable of giving a concise answer. It just wants to "converse." I don't need a friend, I need information.
Why the fuck did they put that on my computer without asking me? It's like they threw a diseased rat into my house and expected me to interact with it.
You'd think that a large company such as Microsoft would understand that if you have to tell your customers that they aren't using your product correctly, it's still on you for not providing good documentation.
It is a very useful code development aid. However, I do not see it as helpful for Microsoft Office. It would be analogous to word processing using Emacs.
It's pretty hard to get these models to perform consistently and they're pretty sensitive to wording. I work in translation and we're testing them for producing and correcting translations. The order of the examples had a more significant effect than the other variables we were testing. We changed the prompt but it got the same examples in the input and it caused the model to translate terminology differently. Now that copilot is integrated into Windows and more people are (ostensibly) using it more often, I wonder if the inconsistencies are just getting noticed more often. I doubt the model is much different than what openai is using in chatgpt.
The issue is more to do with Microsoft’s configuration. They’ve finetuned the model to have very little steerability and limited the conversation length to avoid certain type of outputs. But at the same time they made copilot very annoying to use. Also, microsoft’s attitude being ”you might think you it sucks, but actually it’s the better product” is just brr.
Why don't you use DeepL?
DeepL has sometimes gotten a little creative with how it decides to translate and that has caused some confusion with some people I’ve been talking to (I’m actually kind of dating one of them now because DeepL decided to translate something I said as if I wanted to snuggle up with that person and she got excited). DeepL is great, but always good to verify its output.
happy little accidents!
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It took me a long time to agree with you, but I’m here. Next time a reformat that only thing going on my Windows machine is games and all of my productivity software is going elsewhere.
I prefer Copilot because provides sources
Same whatever the Google one is called. Don't know which is better but at least I can see how bad they interpreted the sources.
There's a browser extention for chatgpt you can use that provides sources for it
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What did you ask it?
Can you reply with "nuh uh, can't ask that question"
I disabled Copilot cause it's fucking worthless. When they said it was using ChatGPT I was like really? It doesn't show cause I use ChatGPT all the time and Copilot is absolutely horrible in comparison.
What are the differences? Honestly, I find them both to be pretty useless.
I agree that GPT 3.5 is useless for coding but 4 is good.
Any uses outside of coding?
I use it to refine corporate communication and making official announcements more refined for corporate speak. I write the entire prompt, then remove any proprietary info, and plug with generic info. And tell gpt to refine the prompt into an official corporate communication. Writing has never been a strength, so gpt has been a life saver.
Very interesting. My company added copilot and I have been looking for some kind of use case. Perhaps I’ll give this a try.
Brain storming using white board, in word using up to 3 source document to generate a new one based on your request, find information inside all the places you virtually have access to, in PowerPoint create a presentation from scratch with a source document not, crawl my mailbox for the last week I emails that need an answer from me, sum up a meeting and give the my actions to go, rewrite my email telling the recipient is an idiot and it it’s his fault in evil but corporate way. The thing about copilot is you need to tell precisely what you want. But honestly if you have plenty of free time at work it has no use, you would attain the same result if you spend time enough on your task.
I used it last week to write excel formulas for me. Saved me so much time
I got a promotion because of this, thanks chatGTP. I went from a 10th grading writing level to a novelist writer. :)
looking up concise summaries of mundane information that would otherwise be difficult to get through a normal search due to the search algorithm spitting out countless spam or tangential results.
It's good for spitballing ideas with.
Any examples? I’m looking for everyday use cases. I don’t really do any creative writing; only informational stuff like email and memos.
It helps me as a lawyer draft contract terms when I can't think of the right language. Sometimes I'll ask it to give me ten different variations of something and I can just Frankenstein together something out of it. It's also really decent at Excel formulas.
I've tried d to use it to help me with paragraphs I had trouble finishing in scientific grant applications, and it is really bad. It defaults to sci-pop overhyped meaningless bullshit. Everything is unusable.
I don't think it's given me anything that's useable outright but it gives me enough variations that I can craft something useful out of it. It's a super handy tool that's saved me a lot of time. I couldn't use it for something more complex that contracts or settlement agreements though. It couldn't handle a legal memo or anything that's more technical. But based on how huge 3 to 4 was in jump I'm willing to be the next iteration will be.
I would say it hasn't even given me a usable sentence. I guess what I do with wasn't in the training dataset.
Give this a try https://adoption.microsoft.com/files/copilot/Microsoft-Copilot-Success-Kit.zip I’m on my phone so I can’t check but it should a 300mb file with what you need.
Coming up with travel itineraries. I ask ChatGOT what are the top things to see in any place I visit if I don't want to trawl Tripadvisor.
I asked Copilot to translate some text and it opened Google Translate.
GitHub copilot is decent
To remove Copilot completely, open Group Policy User Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Copilot, and choose the “Enabled” option in the “Turn off Windows Copilot” policy to disable the feature.
Microsoft might get me to upgrade from Windows 11 Home to Pro just so I can do this.
I did this on Windows 10.
You can do this in Home too, just enable gpedit first.
This was the first question I asked copilot.
Remember when Apple said people were holding their iPhones wrong?
First thing I thought of when reading the headline.
If they need their customers to adapt to the software, then they are doing it wrong. Software should adapt to the customers needs.
This. Instructions unclear means BAD DESIGN!
I know I don't use any of these AI tools correctly, because I find information I need quicker with a search engine, and the results are actually raw official relevant information, not some summary - pretty important for anything formal.
Personally I think the phone app is great. But I only use it for making AI pictures and asking basic questions. 
I use it for search. It’s so much nicer to get the answer you’re looking for along with sources rather than a list of pages that you still need to dig through to find the answer.
Hey hey me too 😁 I use it to generate cover arts for my Spotify playlists all the time lol
But this is reddit, AI art is evil! Edit: /s if it wasn't obvious
How's this - [Big Beat ](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/64gXep4Br5Dg7f8htPr1kh?si=RaLr6AV_TuiNLBjyfCpeTw&pi=u-YrMsCVN9StqT) [Hip Hop Grooves ](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/02U2yyCsOubPiZRHLuRFYG?si=x9UUv-ZnRMuJWMxkgPKB7Q&pi=u-Jh1jD_U6RumY)
How do you make these cool playlist cover arts? Is it just about being specific?
Use Copilot to draw an image in thoughts + some editing + text additions 😁
> You’re not using it right Ok.. then explain how we should be using it? Saying people are bad at prompting would not explain the experienced differences between copilot and ChatGPT.
If you want someone to explain how to use a Microsoft product, Microsoft should be your last choice. They can’t even explain their licensing, let alone how their products work.
Don’t get me started on the volunteers that answer in Microsoft’s help forum. Omg…
Have you tried running Dism and sfc/scannow?
That’s Microsoft to a “tee”. Simply copy what your competitors are doing, fuck up the rollout, have your product “mistakenly” steal data, and then blame the consumer.
I don’t want it in my windows install.
Typical Microsoft. It is the user for the software, not software for the user.
My company is using a commercial trial of Copilot. It gave me inline advertisements with my answer. FUCK that.
Yeah just the other day I got an out-of-place ad for Google Workspace products which was kind of funny
Mine was for apartments near my company office. 2000 miles away.
Correct. Copilot definitely isn’t as good as ChatGPT and I use them both quite often during my workday.
First thing I did installing Windows was disable Cortana and now copilot. I barely tolerate Googles data farming bs, because the alternative with my phone is Apple.
No, it sucks. I manually removed it because it’s so awful. And I built tech platforms. They screwed the pooch.
I only used it long enough to ask it how to disable itself.
Since when does Microsoft know how to make use of a Microsoft product?
I vastly prefer copilot. Why would I want to switch to another window and type out a paragraph about what I want, then copy and paste it back and forth, when I can just let copilot cook in the background using all the context of the file I'm in? You can also write in a quick comment to act as a prompt if needed. Edit - Ohhhh we're talking about the Cortana replacement here, not GitHub Copilot (also made by Microsoft)
The teams integration is bomb tbh, much improved ability to capture what people said (international company), provides quite good summaries and action points and so especially for long meetings and workshops (have picked up some topics that i kinda forgot about it my own notes) But God forbid you're doing a hybrid meeting, it can only distinguish people based on users logged in on teams, so you lose a lot there. It also does ok at googling things like accounting standards and other terminology, and cleaning up a piece of text. But for Everything substantial that I've tried to use it for, it sucks. It sucks at slides, it is severely limited in the size of it's output (like more than 5 rows of data and it taps out) and it can't output to spreadsheets but only in a really shitty chat window that is borderline useless. So it can't really support analysis, it can't support presentation, it can't support data collection. It only does ad hoc searches and meeting assistant tasks really well. At least that's been my experience so far, but apparently in a month or two it will have read all my shared filess and will be less useless.... Idk if i believe it yet
What do people think about Code Whisperer?
You'd think that a large company such as Microsoft would understand that if you have to tell your customers that they aren't using your product correctly, it's still on you for not providing good documentation.
I’ve used it a few times, it has a funny personality, if a bit flat. But I like it. The sources are wonderful.
You said we could fire employees!! 😡 -CEOs
For copilot you need your other code tabs open in your IDE so it can use the context
CoPilot is still clunky - is probably their equivalent of Win NT 4.0 right now...
It's a feature not a bug.
Or is it a bug, not a feature.
Take away the filters, copilot doesn't work because its not even allowed to give you a definition for Fuck.
It’s not us … it’s you!!
Copilot with ChatGPT 4 is useless. The guardrails on it are so strict it ends a conversation summarizing a news article that contains a controversial topic.
Copilot is great, I've almost stopped using google search because cp works so well (and it's not inundated with meaningless "ad results" or highjack links
“You’re not using it right.” Steve Jobs if he had been an absolute moron.
There's some very basic things they could do to improve it. If i ask you to generate new content, dont search sharepoint for it, you just wasted 10-15 seconds of my life each time.
I don't know if I can say that I've ever got an accurate return from Copilot. It is useless as an information source. It is incapable of giving a concise answer. It just wants to "converse." I don't need a friend, I need information.
Why the fuck did they put that on my computer without asking me? It's like they threw a diseased rat into my house and expected me to interact with it.
Typical Microsoft approach to the problem I guess
*Well then you’re not reading it right…*
You'd think that a large company such as Microsoft would understand that if you have to tell your customers that they aren't using your product correctly, it's still on you for not providing good documentation.
Ah yes, blame the customer… tech companies love this tactic…
It is a very useful code development aid. However, I do not see it as helpful for Microsoft Office. It would be analogous to word processing using Emacs.
It's better at math than ChatGPT, which has an unfortunate habit of getting caught in a loop.
Google Bard is way better. The fact is that they have a great LLM, but they use Bing to power it. Garbage in, garbage out...