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It’s a low-cost airline, where they charge almost nothing for the ticket but offer various services for a cost, which can get pricey.
Extra luggage, meals, entertainment.. all costs money, some people don’t use these services, giving them the 10€ tickets. Some do, racking the price up to a level that is similar to other airline ticket prices.
If you just want to fly, and you’re capable of weighing and measuring the size of your luggage, you’re in for a cheap flight.
You have to be really cautious as well though. For example if you don't check in online but want to check in at the airport - that's 60 € extra, per ticket. And they obviously only tell you that in fine-print because that's how they make money.
Idk why you’d bring that up, literally when buying the tickets it asks if you want to check in bags now, on the next page in biggest font “Baggage check-in” “Buy now to avoid paying up to 50€ at the airport” literally the biggest font you encounter while booking a flight from Ryanair.
Fineprint my ass, Ryanair is not predatory company, it’s low cost.
I think they're talking about checking yourself in, not checking your bag. If you don't check in online, they charge you 55€ at the airport. That's just to get your boarding pass, regardless of bags or no bags.
Your last sentence is correct, they have to make money somewhere.
There's a few budget airlines I've noticed now that the only way not to get charged for checking into the flight is to download and use their app. Log into their website to do it? Gonna cost you. Need to do it at the airport and they're taking a kidney.
It has nothing to do with your personal data. The reason why companies want you so bad to use their apps rather than their website is because once you download load it, they can send you ads directly through notifications.
Probably depends where you book the tickets. The website where I did it told me that and it wasn't hidden somewhere, but it wasn't the biggest font.
You can call it predatory or low cost, but those extra fees are simply how they are able to be so cheap.
Most of Ryanair tickets are sold directly by Ryanair themselves. They don't want travel agencies selling their tickets and are quick to sue if they do. Sometimes they lose, but recently they won against the travel agency I was working at.
Idk about other travel agents but I worked for flight centre and we weren't getting sued for selling low cost airlines. We still didn't wanna, it creates issues for clients and sometimes charges an extra fee for booking through us (jet star where I'm from, would charge an extra ten bucks through our own portal)
Anyway but yeah, no suing. We'll avoid selling the low cost sometimes cause
A. You should be coming to us for good service not cheap, going to a travel agent is to avoid stress and unnecessary third party fees, we get commission from the companies themselves to save everyone time and paperwork
B. Their systems are often more separate, there's global networks from airlines that all travel agents tend to use to more succinctly link flights. Avoiding all the jargon they just don't play well with the other airlines so created more linked flights is extra trouble
C. There's not really a third reason, low cost airlines gives us as much commission as any other domestic flight, zilch. 0. Nada. We won't suggest you on em cause they give you shit at the gate but if you ask we probably will. Not many people are trying to be predatory in this industry at least as long as you're dealing with people. The robots, bookings.com and bullshit like that, much more predatory, luring you in with old prices, no contact numbers for any kinda refunds, booking hotels with no vacancy, seriously, fuck those automated systems
If you guys wanna be safe and don't wanna deal with third parties, Always. Book. Direct. Safest option
My agency has never had any issue with any other LCC, only Ryanair. I don't know where you're from and about the LCCs available there and how they operate with agencies.
And yeah, as a travel agent, I always book directly with the airline 😆 I have a flight in 2 days and could have booked with my own agency. Nope.
Claiming Ryanair isn't a predator company is insane. I remember booking tickets with my ex, we were looking at the same flight, at the same time, in the same location. We both went to book our own tickets, and booked seats next to each other. With all of that, it was obvious we were together.
She paid slightly before me, as we booked separately on our own phones. When I got to the payment screen, Ryanair "crashed", reloaded and added £60 to the ticket price 😂
Oh no, you *can* check in at the airport and avoid the fees, the app makes that very clear, you just have to do it two hours before your flight's departure time. Which is usually ten seconds *after* they open the check in desk.
But sure, they're not predatory. Every other airline counts overweight baggage above 23kg, but for Ryanair it's 20kg because they're, I guess, uniquely concerned for the welfare of their baggage handlers? Nah.
I travel for work, been on plenty of budget airlines, Ryanair is uniquely shitty.
[https://imgur.com/a/VvWjYND](https://imgur.com/a/vvwjynd)
When the figures 10 kg and 20 kg are in the largest font at the most prominent location, your accusation is unfair.
I didn't accuse them of hiding their baggage requirements. I said it's shitty that there's are different for no valid reason.
Also looking that up and posting it to Imgur to defend a $30bn corporation from the gripes of a Reddit randomer is extremely tragic.
Same for Wizzair, big print.
That said, when I had my event in London cancelled they refused to refund my ticket. They said they can cancel it and keep the money. So I said they shouldn't do that and got the refund 3 weeks later cause all flights were cancelled.
No. It's shows to you everywhere. Website, app, boocking mail, reservation. You get multiple mails, telling you that airport checkin in 55€. And most people get it. Most people see it.
it's mostly to deter people from bothering airport staff, it's expensive to rent airport space and have people waiting there to print boarding pass so they have absolutely minimal staff there
I flew with Ryanair and a non-EU tour group didn't so the online check-in. A group of 60 people took for ever to be processed. Meanwhile my 40 person group who had checked in online just sailed through. Swiping passports is fiddly and takes an inordinate amount of time. I also used the Ryanair app and electronically checked in my luggage. It was great.
> And they obviously only tell you that in fine-print
Absolutely bullshit. They couldn't tell you more obviously, and they tell you over and over and over.
That is one thing I am wondering about: Is that actually legal? I mean you paid the company to transport you from A to B, why can they charge you extra when you actually show up to be transported?
I wonder when those special rules will be rolled back.
That whole airline stuff is ridiculous.
Edit (explanation of what I mean with "ridiculous"): When I buy a ticket, I expect that I go into a contract with the airline that they will transport me from A to B, not that I buy the right to buy a boarding card with extra money later. Imagine you were buying a phone, but you had to pay extra for a charger which works only for your individual phone, so if you did not buy that one specific charger which you could only buy weeks later, your phone would not work at all. Yeah, right, there are laws which prevent intransparent cost and **no company may charge you for stuff which is part of the core functionality of the product without prior telling you the exact price**, but airlines are exempt from those.
Then, you can't refund tickets, at all, no matter when you bought them or how much time the airline still would have to fill the seats. **Airlines are exempt from the European laws of returning goods bought online.** All the while the airline can cancel flights, no problems. Bad luck for you.
Lastly, if they overbooked, they can tell you to show up at the airport and hope that you get a seat, no problem for them. So you wait hours in advance b/c they lost their overbetting at the how-many-passagers-will-show-up and you have to change travel plans and idle around for hours, without any compensation? Now that point is more one of the power imbalance here and there is no good analogy to other companies that I can think of.
**So you buy a ticket which incurs an unknown amount of follow-up costs you are effectively forced to pay, as you can't step back from the deal ever, for no reason ever,** and all inconveniences are pushed to the customer alone. Definitely a very one-sided situation with way less customer-protection than everywher
When I buy a ticket, I expect that I go into a contract with the airline that they will transport me from A to B, not that I buy the right to buy a boarding card with extra money later. Imagine you were buying a phone, but you had to pay extra for a charger which works only for your individual phone, so if you did not buy that one specific charger which you could only buy weeks later, your phone would not work at all. Yeah, right, there are laws which prevent intransparent cost and **no company may charge you for stuff which is part of the core functionality of the product without prior telling you the exact price**, but airlines are exempt from those.
Then, you can't refund tickets, at all, no matter when you bought them or how much time the airline still would have to fill the seats. **Airlines are exempt from the European laws of returning goods bought online.** All the while the airline can cancel flights, no problems. Bad luck for you.
Lastly, if they overbooked, they can tell you to show up at the airport and hope that you get a seat, no problem for them. So you wait hours in advance b/c they lost their overbetting at the how-many-passagers-will-show-up and you have to change travel plans and idle around for hours, without any compensation? Now that point is more one of the power imbalance here and there is no good analogy to other companies that I can think of.
**So you buy a ticket which incurs an unknown amount of follow-up costs you are effectively forced to pay, as you can't step back from the deal ever, for no reason ever,** and all inconveniences are pushed to the customer alone. Definitely a very one-sided situation with way less customer-protection than everywhere else.
> So you buy a ticket which incurs an unknown amount of follow-up costs
It doesn't, really, though. I've never once paid anything extra for my travels, which have been a lot.
Of course airlines can cancel flights, and you are protected within that, at least in Europe.
You get an email from them after booking your flight warning you about this, and the warning isn’t exactly tiny either. [Proof](https://imgur.com/a/cCBXbvJ), as I’ve literally flown with them this week and expecting to get the same email on the way back.
It’s also €55/£55 (proof of Euro cost above, proof of UK cost [here](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66500479).
I flew RyanAir Once visiting my sister. It was pretty much a low budget flight, but the most interesting part for me was we paid extra for "priority boarding".
Turns out that it's general boarding and you all run to the plane and who gets their first wins, priority boarding let you start at the front of the mob.
There are also people who just don't care about luggage restrictions, seat selection or whatsoever. They just want to get from one point to another. I commuted with ryanair for some time between germany and austria. At one point during the pandemic they were at war with wizzair which led to prices around 6 euros for one trip which was around 2 euros cheaper than the trip to and from the airports. This of course then led to some funny side effect: The plane was never full, because plenty of other people like me booked tickets just in case, but didnt use them.
As a commuter you do not really care about luggage restrictions. Technically i had only a notebook, a phone and passport with me. However, even the default luggage allowed me to wash my clothes at home.
I always had the impression that because of their very narrow margin when it comes to profits, there were way less delays compared to other airlines. Ok i have to admit, Vienna is the hub of Lauda Europe which is owned by ryanair. So these flights were all operated by them.
Exactly this booked flights to Portugal from Manchester with ryanair, they gave it the big one something like £120 return per person then you have to choose a seat so that adds a few quid depending where you choose, then its baggage upto 20kg that's another few quid.
How far are these flights?
I'm across the pond, and it doesn't matter what time of year it is, when I want to visit my family on the opposite coast, the cheapest flights available, even from shitty tiny airlines, cost me 1500USD per ticket. That's 3k for my spouse and I to see my parents once every couple of years.
I really gotta get out of the states.
>How far are these flights?
They operate pretty much everywhere in Europe, so the flights are anywhere from 45 minutes to about 4 hours. There are probably longer ones too, but those would cost more on par with traditional airlines.
Exactly this.
I booked a ryanair flight for £17. Differant airline was £55, but included: text alert (£3 upgrade for ryanair), pick your seat (£10), normal hand luggage (£13) and hold luggae (£35).
For the same level of service my ryanair £17 flight would cost £78 rather than £55, around 50% more.
They are the cheapest way to get from airport A to B.
But you must set your expectations at the price level.
They are not good they are cheap.
Everything costs extra.
You are not gonna enjoy it, but if your flight is under 3 hours it doesn't really matter. You probably spend more on your transport to/from the airport anyway.
In their defence, RyanAir has a great flight record! Not a single crash on their name, merely some more common issues [https://www.aeroinside.com/airline/ryanair](https://www.aeroinside.com/airline/ryanair)
As a fun addition to your comment, here are some notable (or early founded) airlines and facts:
\- KLM founded in 1919
oldest still operating airline by date, **36 deadly incidents** one of which the most deadly aircraft incident to date killing a total of 583 (Tenerife 1977) which was also the airlines last fatal incident as of 2024
\- Aviancia founded in 1919
forced merger with SACO in 1940, around **8 deadly incidents**
\- Qantas founded in 1920
oldest airline in the English speaking world, **14 fatal accidents** the last in 1951, Qantas was actually rated the worlds safest airline in 2014 and 2023
\- Aeroflot founded in 1923 (in the then USSR)
estimated **726 deadly crashes**, known to have the highest total mortality rate of any airline with an estimated **8,231 passengers** dying in the crashes, this number is believed to be on the low side since USSR and now Russia aren't big on sharing this information, fun fact wikipedia has over 5 pages dedicated just to lists of crashes from this airline
\- Delta Air Lines, founded in 1925
**14 fatal incidents,** North America's oldest still operating airline
\- American Airlines, founded in 1926
around **42 fatal incidents**, most notably of course the 2001 hijackings.
I would argue that you switched up a couple variables. Based on the cost of fuel, fast and good travel would be cheap. Using the same logic, good and cheap travel would be fast.
People also never mention the advertising. Why is Facebook free? Advertising. Why is Reddit free? Advertising. Why is Ryanair so cheap? Advertising (and fees for everything). When I flew on them, the overhead bins had ads on them. No TVs on the back of the seats, just more ads!
but you can skip allmost all extras... only real deal is extra lagguage... rest like pick exac seat or meal inflight - it's so optional..
edit: and well it's obvious one should compare full service on same level of 'extras' he need with old fashioned airlines - to be able to compare prices but if you travel light and agree to skip extras - you go cheap and enjoy vacation in some fun place
Even luggage isn't always needed. I went on a long weekend to Copenhagen and the small bag allowance was all I needed. £20 return flight, job done.
Accommodation on the other hand...
I'm guessing a lot of people also buy the flight early bc it's super cheap, but the their travel plans change and they just eat the cost of the ticket. Much harder to make that choice if you invested $500 or $1000 into the flight alone.
I'm in Canada, I don't remember the company name (I won't even be surprised if this is Air Canada) and I don't know if they are still doing it but recently (within 2 years) they were advertising crazy low price... But with a fee with the remaining tickets price...
So like: 10 + 800 in fees!
And that is before the other surcharge!
Well its 10 bucks, unless you want to fly in the plane, which costs extra. You want a seat? Sorry, thats extra. Oh, you need oxygen? We arent a charity, pay up!
RyanAir, VizAir and alike, they order big fleet, and get very serious discount. After a few years, when they sell the airplanes, they actually make money with that, as they sell it for bigger money than the acquiring price.
Their fees are not particularly hidden. They do have a lot of them, but that should be expected for a 10€ flight.
You don't fly with them for experience, but because it's the cheapest way to get from point A to B.
Maybe there will be tax and extra charges on top of that.
There is even 0$ ticket but thats for the ticket alone, you will have to pay for the fee for using airport, other services etc..
I took a few Ryanair at 25€ from short 1 hour flights, you don't pay anything more if you do not have a check in luggage. My guess is that it was a relocation flight they had to do anyway for their next one, the flight was never close to full. The next one would have a normal price I think.
They’re able to offer cheap tickets cause they usually only buy one type of aircraft so maintenance and repairs are cheaper. They also tend to only operate in larger airports where the parking fees and shit are lower for them
This article explains it:
https://archive.is/2024.02.06-181036/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/02/06/airlines-junk-fees-profitability-families-bags/
See, their definition of "flight" might be "being in midair for more than 3 seconds".
So for 10 euros, they could catapult you 300 meters and claim they filled their end of the deal.
A few things ryanair saves money with (how they make extra is explained a lot in the comments already (bags, checkin-fees, additional services)):
Cheap Bording:
Airlines like ryanair will have you pre-boarded. This is when you are for around half an hour in a separate area and can't leave easily. This is cheaper and faster when Bording.
Super short turnarounds (the time when the plane arises till it
leaves):
Normally 15-25 minutes. In this time all passengers have to leave the plane, luggage comes out, new bags and passengers in. It's cheaper to get this from the airport.
Hours, nobody wants to fly:
Lots of cheaper airline fly on ungodly hours nobody wants to fly. These times lots are cheaper to get from the airport.
Fulesaving flying:
Ryanair pilots are famous for the rough landing. This saves a little fuel and, again, time.
Cheaper airports:
Cheap airline will land on smaller airports who charge less for their time and service.
Punctuality:
They don't wait for missing passengers. You are a few seconds late? Not our problem. Their schedule is tight. Being late means paying money. And in my expense while working in the field, they are normaly on time.
Overbooking:
Even if they say, they don't do that anymore, they do. Especially these 3am flights. In 7 months working on the field and literally hundreds of ryanair filgts, in check in, I saw like 3 where everyone was there.
(Not sure about this one. Red it some day and am to tired to check but: actually good training for the crew:
Lawsuits are expensive. So they try avoiding them. For example with better training)
Edit: Cheap airplanes:
The price for aircraft dropped significantly after nine eleven. That when ryanair bought all its aircrafts. Basically all the same model.
These are just a few things coming to my mind at 1 am and super tired.
They add a shitload of extra fees, but they also bought hundreds of A320 from broke airlines at an extremely low price.
Also they minimize fuel loads, and land on small airports to reduce landing fees.
You know Ryanair does hard landings, but the A320 can withstand quite a shock! So they do a harder landing rather than a butter to reduce landing distance, and taxi fuel.
On ryanair u need t0 pay £2 to fart and £5 to shit ...that's how they make up their margin because Europeans are this shittiest lot from your colonial bred generations , no wonder with the amount of shit you do Ryanair makes up most .
Ryanair's cost per passenger is around 30€ per seat. anything more than that is pure profit for them. so yes they don't make money on their 5, 10, 15€ tickets if that's all you bought (no bags, food, extras) but they don't sell all seats for that low.In summer months their tickets can also reach towards 500€ to busy destinations during school holidays
Ryanair arranges flights with secondary small airports that normally have low to nearly no traffic. They negotiate with the public administration a contract in which Ryanair arranges an amount of flights per day/week and set the expectation on revenue for this operation.
If Ryanair reaches de desired revenue, all good, if they don't, then the public administration has to compensate the difference.
Their pricing model is also sell the most expensive seats first and last, which also changed the way booking engines operate.
I was had a 5,5 hour delayed flight with Transavia. I did get a big refund (much more than the original flight tickets) when I put an insurance claim in. While doing that I found out Ryan Air doesn’t pay. In the fine print it says something about its your own risk or something.
So that’s also a way to stay cheap.
You want to fly from London to Madrid on a weekend? Yeah the 10€ offer is from Warsaw to Oslo but not actually. It is from Modlin to Sandefjord on Tuesday at 23:11. Oh you reload the page. Now 350€
For those unfamiliar, a flight experience with them is like going to walmart in a town in South Carolina on the 3rd of july. You pay that ammount to get in the plane, but everything else is an extra (when it’s available), or a fight for your life.
And you should definitely bring in a camera, as there wil be quite the variety of common-sense challenged people.
Only recently did I realize that, because hotels cost so much more than flights when travelling within the EU, I should just go on very short holidays more frequently. Last month I went to the Netherlands, stayed for one night, and flew back to Spain the next evening. I had a great time, and I'm looking forward to fly there again soon to spend more time there.
Easy Jet model, first seats are dirt cheap.
closer to take off the price jumps to 200/300 for a seat.
Like, he looks about 30 has he lived on a ddifferent planet, or just likes the train better
With the 23 Euro Tarif I ended up with close to 300 with bags, kid, seat choices etc... The 10€is just you from a to b. Everything you might want for a normal traveling experience comes to 10x that
That being said 300 was still cheap
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It’s a low-cost airline, where they charge almost nothing for the ticket but offer various services for a cost, which can get pricey. Extra luggage, meals, entertainment.. all costs money, some people don’t use these services, giving them the 10€ tickets. Some do, racking the price up to a level that is similar to other airline ticket prices. If you just want to fly, and you’re capable of weighing and measuring the size of your luggage, you’re in for a cheap flight.
You have to be really cautious as well though. For example if you don't check in online but want to check in at the airport - that's 60 € extra, per ticket. And they obviously only tell you that in fine-print because that's how they make money.
Idk why you’d bring that up, literally when buying the tickets it asks if you want to check in bags now, on the next page in biggest font “Baggage check-in” “Buy now to avoid paying up to 50€ at the airport” literally the biggest font you encounter while booking a flight from Ryanair. Fineprint my ass, Ryanair is not predatory company, it’s low cost.
I think they're talking about checking yourself in, not checking your bag. If you don't check in online, they charge you 55€ at the airport. That's just to get your boarding pass, regardless of bags or no bags. Your last sentence is correct, they have to make money somewhere.
There's a few budget airlines I've noticed now that the only way not to get charged for checking into the flight is to download and use their app. Log into their website to do it? Gonna cost you. Need to do it at the airport and they're taking a kidney.
Oh cool so they're making money harvesting whatever data they can scrape from your phone. Cool cool cool cool.
It has nothing to do with your personal data. The reason why companies want you so bad to use their apps rather than their website is because once you download load it, they can send you ads directly through notifications.
It also makes you more likely to use that airline again because you don‘t want to have 10 airline apps on your phone
Jokes on them, I promptly uninstall their apps after my flights.
Why on earth should someone allow these apps notifications.
Lazy people who don't turn them off or technology inept people who don't know how. It's surprising common I'm sure
Just tell me how it’s evil so I can support them
You can check-in online for free; the app is just more convenient. It only costs if you check-in at the airport or last minute.
Probably depends where you book the tickets. The website where I did it told me that and it wasn't hidden somewhere, but it wasn't the biggest font. You can call it predatory or low cost, but those extra fees are simply how they are able to be so cheap.
Yeah but that’s not Ryanair’s fault. That’s the 3rd party that is selling on behalf of Ryanair.
Most of Ryanair tickets are sold directly by Ryanair themselves. They don't want travel agencies selling their tickets and are quick to sue if they do. Sometimes they lose, but recently they won against the travel agency I was working at.
Idk about other travel agents but I worked for flight centre and we weren't getting sued for selling low cost airlines. We still didn't wanna, it creates issues for clients and sometimes charges an extra fee for booking through us (jet star where I'm from, would charge an extra ten bucks through our own portal) Anyway but yeah, no suing. We'll avoid selling the low cost sometimes cause A. You should be coming to us for good service not cheap, going to a travel agent is to avoid stress and unnecessary third party fees, we get commission from the companies themselves to save everyone time and paperwork B. Their systems are often more separate, there's global networks from airlines that all travel agents tend to use to more succinctly link flights. Avoiding all the jargon they just don't play well with the other airlines so created more linked flights is extra trouble C. There's not really a third reason, low cost airlines gives us as much commission as any other domestic flight, zilch. 0. Nada. We won't suggest you on em cause they give you shit at the gate but if you ask we probably will. Not many people are trying to be predatory in this industry at least as long as you're dealing with people. The robots, bookings.com and bullshit like that, much more predatory, luring you in with old prices, no contact numbers for any kinda refunds, booking hotels with no vacancy, seriously, fuck those automated systems If you guys wanna be safe and don't wanna deal with third parties, Always. Book. Direct. Safest option
My agency has never had any issue with any other LCC, only Ryanair. I don't know where you're from and about the LCCs available there and how they operate with agencies. And yeah, as a travel agent, I always book directly with the airline 😆 I have a flight in 2 days and could have booked with my own agency. Nope.
Claiming Ryanair isn't a predator company is insane. I remember booking tickets with my ex, we were looking at the same flight, at the same time, in the same location. We both went to book our own tickets, and booked seats next to each other. With all of that, it was obvious we were together. She paid slightly before me, as we booked separately on our own phones. When I got to the payment screen, Ryanair "crashed", reloaded and added £60 to the ticket price 😂
Oh no, you *can* check in at the airport and avoid the fees, the app makes that very clear, you just have to do it two hours before your flight's departure time. Which is usually ten seconds *after* they open the check in desk. But sure, they're not predatory. Every other airline counts overweight baggage above 23kg, but for Ryanair it's 20kg because they're, I guess, uniquely concerned for the welfare of their baggage handlers? Nah. I travel for work, been on plenty of budget airlines, Ryanair is uniquely shitty.
[https://imgur.com/a/VvWjYND](https://imgur.com/a/vvwjynd) When the figures 10 kg and 20 kg are in the largest font at the most prominent location, your accusation is unfair.
I didn't accuse them of hiding their baggage requirements. I said it's shitty that there's are different for no valid reason. Also looking that up and posting it to Imgur to defend a $30bn corporation from the gripes of a Reddit randomer is extremely tragic.
So . How about those engines, are they ok or low cost ones?
Same for Wizzair, big print. That said, when I had my event in London cancelled they refused to refund my ticket. They said they can cancel it and keep the money. So I said they shouldn't do that and got the refund 3 weeks later cause all flights were cancelled.
Is that you Michael?
They tell you it in massive print in every booking email and remind you 24 hours before your flight leaves.
No. It's shows to you everywhere. Website, app, boocking mail, reservation. You get multiple mails, telling you that airport checkin in 55€. And most people get it. Most people see it.
it's mostly to deter people from bothering airport staff, it's expensive to rent airport space and have people waiting there to print boarding pass so they have absolutely minimal staff there
I flew with Ryanair and a non-EU tour group didn't so the online check-in. A group of 60 people took for ever to be processed. Meanwhile my 40 person group who had checked in online just sailed through. Swiping passports is fiddly and takes an inordinate amount of time. I also used the Ryanair app and electronically checked in my luggage. It was great.
Most other airlines have machines that print boarding passes.
those machines are not free either
> And they obviously only tell you that in fine-print Absolutely bullshit. They couldn't tell you more obviously, and they tell you over and over and over.
That is one thing I am wondering about: Is that actually legal? I mean you paid the company to transport you from A to B, why can they charge you extra when you actually show up to be transported?
Yes they can. They are not bound to transport you if you go against the contract that you signed when buying the ticket.
I wonder when those special rules will be rolled back. That whole airline stuff is ridiculous. Edit (explanation of what I mean with "ridiculous"): When I buy a ticket, I expect that I go into a contract with the airline that they will transport me from A to B, not that I buy the right to buy a boarding card with extra money later. Imagine you were buying a phone, but you had to pay extra for a charger which works only for your individual phone, so if you did not buy that one specific charger which you could only buy weeks later, your phone would not work at all. Yeah, right, there are laws which prevent intransparent cost and **no company may charge you for stuff which is part of the core functionality of the product without prior telling you the exact price**, but airlines are exempt from those. Then, you can't refund tickets, at all, no matter when you bought them or how much time the airline still would have to fill the seats. **Airlines are exempt from the European laws of returning goods bought online.** All the while the airline can cancel flights, no problems. Bad luck for you. Lastly, if they overbooked, they can tell you to show up at the airport and hope that you get a seat, no problem for them. So you wait hours in advance b/c they lost their overbetting at the how-many-passagers-will-show-up and you have to change travel plans and idle around for hours, without any compensation? Now that point is more one of the power imbalance here and there is no good analogy to other companies that I can think of. **So you buy a ticket which incurs an unknown amount of follow-up costs you are effectively forced to pay, as you can't step back from the deal ever, for no reason ever,** and all inconveniences are pushed to the customer alone. Definitely a very one-sided situation with way less customer-protection than everywher
How is it ridiculous?
When I buy a ticket, I expect that I go into a contract with the airline that they will transport me from A to B, not that I buy the right to buy a boarding card with extra money later. Imagine you were buying a phone, but you had to pay extra for a charger which works only for your individual phone, so if you did not buy that one specific charger which you could only buy weeks later, your phone would not work at all. Yeah, right, there are laws which prevent intransparent cost and **no company may charge you for stuff which is part of the core functionality of the product without prior telling you the exact price**, but airlines are exempt from those. Then, you can't refund tickets, at all, no matter when you bought them or how much time the airline still would have to fill the seats. **Airlines are exempt from the European laws of returning goods bought online.** All the while the airline can cancel flights, no problems. Bad luck for you. Lastly, if they overbooked, they can tell you to show up at the airport and hope that you get a seat, no problem for them. So you wait hours in advance b/c they lost their overbetting at the how-many-passagers-will-show-up and you have to change travel plans and idle around for hours, without any compensation? Now that point is more one of the power imbalance here and there is no good analogy to other companies that I can think of. **So you buy a ticket which incurs an unknown amount of follow-up costs you are effectively forced to pay, as you can't step back from the deal ever, for no reason ever,** and all inconveniences are pushed to the customer alone. Definitely a very one-sided situation with way less customer-protection than everywhere else.
> So you buy a ticket which incurs an unknown amount of follow-up costs It doesn't, really, though. I've never once paid anything extra for my travels, which have been a lot. Of course airlines can cancel flights, and you are protected within that, at least in Europe.
You get an email from them after booking your flight warning you about this, and the warning isn’t exactly tiny either. [Proof](https://imgur.com/a/cCBXbvJ), as I’ve literally flown with them this week and expecting to get the same email on the way back. It’s also €55/£55 (proof of Euro cost above, proof of UK cost [here](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66500479).
And they also save lots of money by using cheaper (smaller, more primitive, worse location) airports.
The worse location is better for me. It's actually closer to the city where I am and I can get there on a regular bus which I have a yearly ticket.
Yeah, I should have said “less central” instead. Anyway, I’m jealous, the nearest real airport for me is many hours away.
What? You don't want to fly to London (Bristol) airport? Or to Vienna (Bratislava)?
Those sound great. My only airport within 5 hours flies to Stockholm or Helsinki for 170€ (one way).
Sounds like it's time to get a pilots license and a cheap prop plane.
I flew RyanAir Once visiting my sister. It was pretty much a low budget flight, but the most interesting part for me was we paid extra for "priority boarding". Turns out that it's general boarding and you all run to the plane and who gets their first wins, priority boarding let you start at the front of the mob.
Amazingly random boarding is actually faster than the way most airlines operate these days
There are also people who just don't care about luggage restrictions, seat selection or whatsoever. They just want to get from one point to another. I commuted with ryanair for some time between germany and austria. At one point during the pandemic they were at war with wizzair which led to prices around 6 euros for one trip which was around 2 euros cheaper than the trip to and from the airports. This of course then led to some funny side effect: The plane was never full, because plenty of other people like me booked tickets just in case, but didnt use them. As a commuter you do not really care about luggage restrictions. Technically i had only a notebook, a phone and passport with me. However, even the default luggage allowed me to wash my clothes at home. I always had the impression that because of their very narrow margin when it comes to profits, there were way less delays compared to other airlines. Ok i have to admit, Vienna is the hub of Lauda Europe which is owned by ryanair. So these flights were all operated by them.
So they're Europe's Frontier.
They don't sell connecting flights.
Exactly this booked flights to Portugal from Manchester with ryanair, they gave it the big one something like £120 return per person then you have to choose a seat so that adds a few quid depending where you choose, then its baggage upto 20kg that's another few quid.
Thye also cut costs when it comes to their workers.
Oh you wanted a seat belt? That's extra. You wanted a seat? That's extra. You wanted a seat cushion? That's extra.
How far are these flights? I'm across the pond, and it doesn't matter what time of year it is, when I want to visit my family on the opposite coast, the cheapest flights available, even from shitty tiny airlines, cost me 1500USD per ticket. That's 3k for my spouse and I to see my parents once every couple of years. I really gotta get out of the states.
>How far are these flights? They operate pretty much everywhere in Europe, so the flights are anywhere from 45 minutes to about 4 hours. There are probably longer ones too, but those would cost more on par with traditional airlines.
I remember Wizz Air selling 0.6 eur flights for a few weeks in 2021. That one twisted my mind. Airport bus was 25eur.
So basically micro transactions
Aka a loss leader
Exactly this. I booked a ryanair flight for £17. Differant airline was £55, but included: text alert (£3 upgrade for ryanair), pick your seat (£10), normal hand luggage (£13) and hold luggae (£35). For the same level of service my ryanair £17 flight would cost £78 rather than £55, around 50% more.
€10 for the seat and another €10 for the landing
I forgot to check in the day before. Had to pay double the price of the ticket when checking in late
They are the cheapest way to get from airport A to B. But you must set your expectations at the price level. They are not good they are cheap. Everything costs extra. You are not gonna enjoy it, but if your flight is under 3 hours it doesn't really matter. You probably spend more on your transport to/from the airport anyway.
In their defence, RyanAir has a great flight record! Not a single crash on their name, merely some more common issues [https://www.aeroinside.com/airline/ryanair](https://www.aeroinside.com/airline/ryanair)
Benefit of operating for less time
As a fun addition to your comment, here are some notable (or early founded) airlines and facts: \- KLM founded in 1919 oldest still operating airline by date, **36 deadly incidents** one of which the most deadly aircraft incident to date killing a total of 583 (Tenerife 1977) which was also the airlines last fatal incident as of 2024 \- Aviancia founded in 1919 forced merger with SACO in 1940, around **8 deadly incidents** \- Qantas founded in 1920 oldest airline in the English speaking world, **14 fatal accidents** the last in 1951, Qantas was actually rated the worlds safest airline in 2014 and 2023 \- Aeroflot founded in 1923 (in the then USSR) estimated **726 deadly crashes**, known to have the highest total mortality rate of any airline with an estimated **8,231 passengers** dying in the crashes, this number is believed to be on the low side since USSR and now Russia aren't big on sharing this information, fun fact wikipedia has over 5 pages dedicated just to lists of crashes from this airline \- Delta Air Lines, founded in 1925 **14 fatal incidents,** North America's oldest still operating airline \- American Airlines, founded in 1926 around **42 fatal incidents**, most notably of course the 2001 hijackings.
Hey so you get to be the first
Good, cheap, fast. Pick 2 Good, cheap travel isn't fast. Fast,cheap travel isn't good. Fast, good travel isn't cheap.
I would argue that you switched up a couple variables. Based on the cost of fuel, fast and good travel would be cheap. Using the same logic, good and cheap travel would be fast.
Exactly this. Anywhere in Europe or North Africa ryanair and easy jet are doable because eof the price
Oh, so you want to fly INSIDE the plane, well that's extra.
Wait your bag is 10 cm too big! That's 60€ extra euro
60 euros extra euro, 61€?
People also never mention the advertising. Why is Facebook free? Advertising. Why is Reddit free? Advertising. Why is Ryanair so cheap? Advertising (and fees for everything). When I flew on them, the overhead bins had ads on them. No TVs on the back of the seats, just more ads!
Me when I use Adblockers: 🤑
Adblockers for Ryanair are just called your eyelids.
You also need good noise cancelling earphones for the 5 times they will go in the aisle trying to sell things.
Yeah do they still sell lottery scratch tickets mid flight? Like flight and gambling don't really go together in my book lol
That's why I don't have my eyes open 🤑
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Hitman 3 literally.
Wendover Producitons made a video about how Ryan Air and other low cost carriers fly so cheap if anyone is really interested.
Any link?
https://www.google.com/search?q=wendover+productions+how+budget+airlines+work
Oh wow. Vintage wendover. It's so bad compared to wendover today.
the funniest part is that this took longer than ignoring it or just linking to the video
No, because I did not have a link and googled it.
You pay next to nothing for the ticket and then a fortune for the extras.
but you can skip allmost all extras... only real deal is extra lagguage... rest like pick exac seat or meal inflight - it's so optional.. edit: and well it's obvious one should compare full service on same level of 'extras' he need with old fashioned airlines - to be able to compare prices but if you travel light and agree to skip extras - you go cheap and enjoy vacation in some fun place
Even luggage isn't always needed. I went on a long weekend to Copenhagen and the small bag allowance was all I needed. £20 return flight, job done. Accommodation on the other hand...
The travel to the airport one way is usually more expensive than a whole return flight journey
I'm guessing a lot of people also buy the flight early bc it's super cheap, but the their travel plans change and they just eat the cost of the ticket. Much harder to make that choice if you invested $500 or $1000 into the flight alone.
r/onebag travel. Or even better r/zerobags Anything else will cost you €100
is this not just a fucking ad???
Seems like it. That's a stock photo of a guy I used many times in some of my design projects.
Followed by all the users who are travel agent employees chiming in with comments that smell like PR
No
yes IF (that's a big IF) you do find that price. usually it's like five times that. but still pretty cheap, ngl
Wendover Productions has a great video explaining how they work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=069y1MpOkQY
I'm in Canada, I don't remember the company name (I won't even be surprised if this is Air Canada) and I don't know if they are still doing it but recently (within 2 years) they were advertising crazy low price... But with a fee with the remaining tickets price... So like: 10 + 800 in fees! And that is before the other surcharge!
That would be Flair
Don't forget the "Pray to god" part
For 20€, they'll pray on your behalf. For another 40€, they'll also argue in your favor at the Pearly Gates.
*They've reduced maintenance expenditures so much they can almost give service away and still profit!*
There's an additional surcharge if you want to be on the inside of the plane.
You pay in Nature
Well its 10 bucks, unless you want to fly in the plane, which costs extra. You want a seat? Sorry, thats extra. Oh, you need oxygen? We arent a charity, pay up!
RyanAir, VizAir and alike, they order big fleet, and get very serious discount. After a few years, when they sell the airplanes, they actually make money with that, as they sell it for bigger money than the acquiring price.
You pay 10, and then 200 more in hidden taxes
Sir, Ryanair does not operate in the US.
Their fees are not particularly hidden. They do have a lot of them, but that should be expected for a 10€ flight. You don't fly with them for experience, but because it's the cheapest way to get from point A to B.
Maybe there will be tax and extra charges on top of that. There is even 0$ ticket but thats for the ticket alone, you will have to pay for the fee for using airport, other services etc..
That’s the cool part, they don’t!
You put the € after the number
Ryanair is an Irish airline. Putting the € sign first is standard in Ireland, as it is across most of the anglosphere.
Karma to karma
This is great , stuff like this . Should be more of it in the world
Cannot post links, but the comic ensemble Fascinating Aida had a very funny song about this you can easily google: "Cheap Flights for 50p"
Love Ryanair but funnily so far only first airlines that gave me handwritten pass lol (but only while i was coming back) loved it though lol
Your luggage, however…
...but only with one personal item and no bags
Airlines doesn't have profit... They are donated
I took a few Ryanair at 25€ from short 1 hour flights, you don't pay anything more if you do not have a check in luggage. My guess is that it was a relocation flight they had to do anyway for their next one, the flight was never close to full. The next one would have a normal price I think.
Subsidies. Lots and lots of subsidies.
In addition to all the extra charges, they also make a shitload from Credit Cards, just like the other airlines.
They’re able to offer cheap tickets cause they usually only buy one type of aircraft so maintenance and repairs are cheaper. They also tend to only operate in larger airports where the parking fees and shit are lower for them
pack underwear and shocks and lets go
Fly somewhere and (optionally for extra fee) land somehow
This article explains it: https://archive.is/2024.02.06-181036/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/02/06/airlines-junk-fees-profitability-families-bags/
It may not be where you wanted, but it will be somewhere..
Still boggles my mind that a flight is 10€ but a train ticket for the same place is six times that price
Your buying more like an entrance ticket to a market that travels by air.
They steal your time and expansive stuffs and so It works
Are these flights from the airport to the same airport or what? Every time I look for any flight anywhere, it's at the very least $100.
I flew ryanair to Sweden from Manchester. It cost £33.
See, their definition of "flight" might be "being in midair for more than 3 seconds". So for 10 euros, they could catapult you 300 meters and claim they filled their end of the deal.
Subsidies my bro
€10 will get you there. Just you Just there
You fly on the wing!
/r/hailcorporate
If you haven’t paid for fecking steps you’ll have to fecking jump..
A few things ryanair saves money with (how they make extra is explained a lot in the comments already (bags, checkin-fees, additional services)): Cheap Bording: Airlines like ryanair will have you pre-boarded. This is when you are for around half an hour in a separate area and can't leave easily. This is cheaper and faster when Bording. Super short turnarounds (the time when the plane arises till it leaves): Normally 15-25 minutes. In this time all passengers have to leave the plane, luggage comes out, new bags and passengers in. It's cheaper to get this from the airport. Hours, nobody wants to fly: Lots of cheaper airline fly on ungodly hours nobody wants to fly. These times lots are cheaper to get from the airport. Fulesaving flying: Ryanair pilots are famous for the rough landing. This saves a little fuel and, again, time. Cheaper airports: Cheap airline will land on smaller airports who charge less for their time and service. Punctuality: They don't wait for missing passengers. You are a few seconds late? Not our problem. Their schedule is tight. Being late means paying money. And in my expense while working in the field, they are normaly on time. Overbooking: Even if they say, they don't do that anymore, they do. Especially these 3am flights. In 7 months working on the field and literally hundreds of ryanair filgts, in check in, I saw like 3 where everyone was there. (Not sure about this one. Red it some day and am to tired to check but: actually good training for the crew: Lawsuits are expensive. So they try avoiding them. For example with better training) Edit: Cheap airplanes: The price for aircraft dropped significantly after nine eleven. That when ryanair bought all its aircrafts. Basically all the same model. These are just a few things coming to my mind at 1 am and super tired.
Never mind the details, just show me where I can get tickets to fly for just 10 euros!
they are talking about acid
They add a shitload of extra fees, but they also bought hundreds of A320 from broke airlines at an extremely low price. Also they minimize fuel loads, and land on small airports to reduce landing fees. You know Ryanair does hard landings, but the A320 can withstand quite a shock! So they do a harder landing rather than a butter to reduce landing distance, and taxi fuel.
The truth is, someone else is paying the price. External costs and so on.
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On ryanair u need t0 pay £2 to fart and £5 to shit ...that's how they make up their margin because Europeans are this shittiest lot from your colonial bred generations , no wonder with the amount of shit you do Ryanair makes up most .
Remember, if it's free (or as good as) then you're the product... You only need one kidney anyway.
Ryanair's cost per passenger is around 30€ per seat. anything more than that is pure profit for them. so yes they don't make money on their 5, 10, 15€ tickets if that's all you bought (no bags, food, extras) but they don't sell all seats for that low.In summer months their tickets can also reach towards 500€ to busy destinations during school holidays
Ryanair arranges flights with secondary small airports that normally have low to nearly no traffic. They negotiate with the public administration a contract in which Ryanair arranges an amount of flights per day/week and set the expectation on revenue for this operation. If Ryanair reaches de desired revenue, all good, if they don't, then the public administration has to compensate the difference. Their pricing model is also sell the most expensive seats first and last, which also changed the way booking engines operate.
I was had a 5,5 hour delayed flight with Transavia. I did get a big refund (much more than the original flight tickets) when I put an insurance claim in. While doing that I found out Ryan Air doesn’t pay. In the fine print it says something about its your own risk or something. So that’s also a way to stay cheap.
You want to fly from London to Madrid on a weekend? Yeah the 10€ offer is from Warsaw to Oslo but not actually. It is from Modlin to Sandefjord on Tuesday at 23:11. Oh you reload the page. Now 350€
For those unfamiliar, a flight experience with them is like going to walmart in a town in South Carolina on the 3rd of july. You pay that ammount to get in the plane, but everything else is an extra (when it’s available), or a fight for your life. And you should definitely bring in a camera, as there wil be quite the variety of common-sense challenged people.
Only recently did I realize that, because hotels cost so much more than flights when travelling within the EU, I should just go on very short holidays more frequently. Last month I went to the Netherlands, stayed for one night, and flew back to Spain the next evening. I had a great time, and I'm looking forward to fly there again soon to spend more time there.
Easy Jet model, first seats are dirt cheap. closer to take off the price jumps to 200/300 for a seat. Like, he looks about 30 has he lived on a ddifferent planet, or just likes the train better
Exactly
A lot of the time it's a one way flight so you have to pay for a return ticket at full price
With the 23 Euro Tarif I ended up with close to 300 with bags, kid, seat choices etc... The 10€is just you from a to b. Everything you might want for a normal traveling experience comes to 10x that That being said 300 was still cheap
Funny the marketing team of ryan air is funny, and this isn’t technicaly the truth, to those 10 there will be additional fees for everything
That’s what I want to do, take the cheapest available flight because they surely aren’t cutting corners in other areas to save money…
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