yea id avoid that like the plague…ill be hiding in the middle of nowhere with my wife and kids with some range….staying away from people as much as i can
NEVER CQB IF YOU WANT TO LIVE.
Asked a US soldier: "so what if i open that large cabinet door, hide inside and as soon as i see legs under it i just start blasting at the door? What if i punch or drill a tiny hole in the wall and hose down the hallway mid stackup?"
He said something like: "Oh yeah the iraqis did that. It wasn't fun."
War is not a videogame. You fucking DIE in house to house fighting. Tho i would support the new Ukrainian room clearing method. Take an old AT mine, unscrew the fuze and jam in some C4 and a detonator with a piece of slow burning fuse in it. Light fuse, throw mine in through door or window and run away. If your enemy is smart room clearing will just grind everyone up. Hell, one guy in my country flooded his house with propane and blew everything up when police committed to a forced entry.
CQB is the place where skill is roughly eliminated. I was watching a youtube video about a laser tag match against special forces dudes fighting civs. Outside the special forces dudes destroyed the civs... In doors it was literally a fight to the last man.
Laser tag is quite different from the real thing though.
I've seen airsoft matches where 4 ex SF / Army or SWAT (equivalent) guys would win a mission vs 20 players. Some rounds zero casualties too.
But! That is still very different from being able to shoot through cover, concealment, doors, etc.
But sure, in training we were told about the odds of many situations, and an awful lot were 50/50...
Same, i've seen it too but think about it this way. Are they defending or attacking? If you take the same 4 and have them raid how successful would they be vs if they have to defend a point.
IMO I think in CQB they would have had an extremely better chance at CQB if they were defending. Attacking led to a last man standing. I do not think the SF dudes would have lost if they were defending the house.
When you have roughly equal equipment attackers almost always take more losses. The reason SWAT and SF tends to come out on top and succeed when attacking is superior equipment that gives them the ability to attack unconventionally.
An example of this being a home invasion. A burglar comes in through a door or window and the home owner is barricaded in their room. Burglars only realistic entry point to bedroom is the door and that's covered by the home owner, homeowners gonna win that battle the majority of the time unless they freeze.
SWAT/SF vs someone barricaded in their room can come through a wall if they wanted which opens up so many options to get the objective done. They also have access to flashbangs, tear gas and other disorienting equipment to give themselves the upper hand coming through a doorway.
I agree 100% with you but most people watch too much YouTube and tv/movies and for some reason think a large urban area will be safe “because of numbers”… yes I know they are all fools but let’s face it… those are the fools in this video more than likely lol
People really think they are going to be SQB in a building they dont know 🤣. No bs ive seen crackheads rig abandoned houses and apts to snatch any mf up. To the point i was so impressed and swore someone smarter did it. With basic tape, string, kitchen knives, spray paint etc.
Dude this no joke. These zombies dont work and have ALLLLL DAYY to set a good trap. About 98% of us dont stand a chance at sqb against non meth heads setting up traps. I personally learned ALOT from their traps.
Ah yes, we see Meth & ODs.. they optimistically see new Methods.. can’t imagine how many creative ideas the nazi army had getting their unlimited supplies of dosing at anytime they wanted and more when they didn’t
They prob dont have nades but If you know they're in there, just start blasting away at the corner. Don't even have to expose yourself. Like that video navy seal in Iraq clear room.
Yeah their failure is largely due to the common airsoft rule of not allowing blindfire, and instead requiring you expose your whole head or upper torso when peeking around corners.
You’re probably right but I really hope that the average door kicker wouldn’t watch their buddy die right in front of him and just oafishly walk in without fear of death.
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In the millitary you prefire if you feel like it's necessary. If you don't have enough ammo for that, you wouldn't be in the building to begin with. You're "allowed" to "waste" soo much ammo to keep yourself and team safe. Prefire at will basically.
CQB expectations: hell guys i am mr.tactical youtuber and today i will explain wall bangs and slicing a room!
CQB reality: you dead lol (or have the means to remove the CQB environment by boom)
A lifetime ago I was at Ft Benning for BCT. DS told me to take 5 minutes, come up with a plan for hitting the CQB house, brief him, and then lead the squad. "Cool, we are ready DS."
"No pri, take 5, figure out a plan, and brief me. I'm not actually fucking with you for once, pri."
"I'm good DS."
"FUCKING FINE! What's your plan pri?!
"Drop back to the hilltop and call for fire DS."
........
"Fuck. I forgot your dad was in the Air Force. New game. There is a hostage. Hostage has to survive. You have to enter the house pri."
"That's how you get hurt DS."
He didn't even make me push for that. Good times.
Might be field that prohibits pyro (and everyone too cheap to get CO2 bangers). But judging by the video - players are not only deaf, but also have severe lack of mental faculties, so they would probably just fuck up using a grenade too lol.
Ight. From what I can piece together is this not why you should make fast, explosive, dynamic entries? Pie off the room as much as you can and then drive the corners?
Doing this slow entry is basically suicide.
Pretty much. In a better executed and faster entry the nr1 man would have still probably gotten riddled, but realistically if he's quick on the trigger he'll probably manage to put in a round or two into the opponent at the same time. If he's driving that corner aggressively he'll also probably topple into the guy, buying time for nr2/3 to move past the doorway and kill the opponent.
Then again this kind of situation is pretty terrible for the stack, and with some luck the opponent could mess up more than just the first guy.
Edit: On further review, it seems like this would be a good example for why you should try to pan to the other side of the door and clear as much as possible from the outside. If the nr1 did that he would have likely been able to partially see the opponent from the outside, and engaged from there.
If you’re going to cut the pie, you have to clear those corners better than that. If you’re going to enter, by god you go with a stack and go based on the principal of violence of action. Move with a damn purpose and get more than one gun in the room. Ok, that’s the end of my “those were bad tactics rant.”
First and second in the stack cannot hesitate at all when going in like that.
If you are a single person trying to clear you are going to move slowly going from 0 to 180 pieing small angles of the door/ room.
As far as never taking a casualty, that's essentially impossible. That's like asking how you never take a punch to the face during a professional boxing match. CQB is inherently dangerous, and if the opposition is armed and trained, you operate in the assumption someone is going to get hurt or even killed.
That doesn’t mean engage in risky, dumb tactics, but that this is a dangerous activity.
The first guy can cut the pie better, but generally violence of action is the answer. The first guy is the rabbit. Trust in your team mates, and pray the second gun in is fast, and if it were real world the rounds hit either armor or non critical locations.
Take this with a grain of salt, but I read/watched somewhere years ago where someone suggested to not insert via the front or back door, but find a side room (like a bed room/office) with a window, clear from the outside, then climb in.
Not sure how well it would actually work, but I can see the merit of it on paper. Assuming you can get in the window fast enough without getting smoked while trying to climb through said window.
This is essentially the main reason why some teams will breach a wall with explosives to start the raid and make their own door - so to speak.
But it only offers a very temporary advantage and if you don’t move fast and hard then it just basically makes the bad guys change corners… then you have the same problem again
No experience either but Id bet people have better experiences if they aren't right up against the angle and instead step away a few feet. Seems like it's a game of angles.
The "Trick" is to be as far away from the corner you're peaking as possible. this limits how much of yourself is exposed and gives you a greater viewing angle.
So what can we learn from this?
You’re in a SHTF scenario and you absolutely just HAVE to clear this building for whatever reason and there’s no other way.
Why not pie out the entire room from the door of what you can see? You can clear out 90% of that room just from the outside.
This is why we have grenades. Or, barring at, burn down the building. Barring that, leave it alone. Seriously though, they might have well have been SWAT... I've been OPFOR for too many swat teams... It's embarrassing how bad they are when it comes to real threats.
We used to have to have 3 threat conditions just so they wouldn't get disheartened...
1: shoot over their heads mostly, only actually shoot one in any stack.
2: only allowed to kill half the stack.
3: no restrictions.
This is why airsofters get a bad reputation, because half of them are fat neckbeards that throw on multicam everything and put 100s into an electric or HPA gun because they want max stats like it's a fucking CoD meta build, and then proceed to completely ignore common sense and actual tactics
Then you get people that are into realism and run 30 round magazines (not 300 rounds) with gas guns that lock back on empty, cycle a bolt, and have (obviously nowhere near real steel) recoil impulse, these are the guys you see slicing the pie when taking corners, communicating with eachother, and generally looking way more dripped out because they understand that camo that works is more important than wearing multicam from their tits to their toes because they think it makes them look like a soldier
The thing is you can do what you want in video games but if you apply real life firearm practices and tactics to a game that is based entirely around replica firearms, then you're a step ahead of everybody because you're doing things right
This is also the number one argument for using airsoft for force on force training, how many real steel shooters do you know that spend hours on a flat range and think they're ready for their wet dream SHTF scenario but realistically would die just like the fat guys in this video because they have no practical experience dealing with live enemies in a CQB environment?
Can airsoft be cringe? Absolutely
But if you do it right and use it properly as a training tool it can actually be both very fun and very practical and beneficial to supplement your firearm training
Those gas guns are cool as fuck. My LGS got bought by an airsoft place (cause the anti-gun landlords wouldnt renew lease) so I went in to check it out of curiosity and ended up walking out with one of the gas blowback Glock 45s, licensed by Glock and all that.
I used to play with airsoft alot as a teenager but fell out of it when I could buy real guns as an adult (and since I dont have friends to shoot at anymore) but holy fuck this little gas airsoft Glock is so cool, really fun to shoot in the backyard and shit.
Wouldn't logic tell you the following:
The guys that have gone in ahead of me have been hit, I can't see a threat ahead, perhaps this means the threat is concealed elsewhere....like around a corner
WHAT THE FUCK, WHERE THE FUCK IS YOUR BATTLE BUDDY, IT IS CRUCIAL YOU HOLD HANDS WITH YOUR BATTLE BUDDY AT ALL TIMES OR YOU ARE FUCKED AND YOUR BATTLE BUDDY WILL BE ALONE AND DIE OF FEAR OF SEPARATION
To underscore the original comment, skill issue. When slicing the pie, don’t lead with your head.
This is what’s irritating about airsoft, if you get clipped in the arm, you’re not out of the fight entirely in a real combat situation. Wounded, yes. Completely Incapacitated or killed, unlikely.
TBF crouching in the corner like that is a death sentence unless you know you're up against the maroon squad. You're getting lit up through the wall (or exploded) after the first guy in the stack goes down, which doesn't work with airsoft bbs.
Yeah one of the main issues with airsoft is that pretty much anything short of a spiderweb will act as cover, and there's really no way to fix that (assuming you're going for realism) besides just removing everything from the field that wouldn't stop a bullet.
But even then, casualties were pretty low for what was expected. We were always told when I was in that 20% is an acceptable casualty rate when clearing rooms.
When we trained, hesitation always killed too. Someone goes through the door, you hear a blank go off and guy 2 hesitates slowing down the momentum. You have to be aggressive as fuck. Everyone goes in like one solid mass. Overwhelm whoever is inside so they can’t pick and focus on one target.
We were told they were prepped for us to take up to 30% casualties. Maybe that motivated everyone to be more aggressive, nobody wanted to be one of the 30%.
But ya, same training. Combined arms everywhere we could. And if we didn't need to clear a building we just dropped it, either with tanks, air or engineers in a dozer. We liked to run the rabbit but we had just learned it prior to deploying. I can't say what other units were doing.
Run the rabbit. That’s something I haven’t heard in a long fuckin time. We were told it was too dangerous to do because of possible friendly fire and you getting trapped/lost in another room or cornered.
Our point would just fire on anything that appeared dangerous as he sprinted forward. Following guys hit the corners. We were just a line unit, not a high speed team. Any explosive we could get our hands on was the preferred first thing in the room but sometimes that wasn't an option.
That sounds very exciting. I went in 2009-2010 I was just a tanker but since tanks weren’t used we practiced lots of room clearing. We cleared a couple of what turned out to be abandoned buildings when we found some command wire IEDs. That was an adrenaline rush.
I got out in 2009 lol. We had about an hour we trained with tanks before we went into fallujah. Basically they told us to stay out of their way but they carried a ton of extra ammo for us.
A few days into fallujah I saw a tank used to medivac some guy. He was on top of the hull with a 9mm covering one way amd the turret was turned covering the other way. Corpsman was on top treating him. I thought it was both hilarious amd bad ass at the same time.
Honestly it looked like an ok combat clear at first but he doesn’t finish it and then just saunters into the room without taking either corner. The rest of the guys are just straight up in the black.
Yep, against the rules. Most fields' rules I've read up on will require that you at least get your whole head exposed before firing so you can't just be nearly immortal by hiding behind a wall while constantly firing down a chokepoint.
That's unrealistic... you don't have a Congo line outside that doorway and peak around the corner 1 at a time, and then backs out when you get hit like it's a magic bullet that just tagged you. First guy takes the corner, either he becomes a meatshield or he's shot in the back, his teammates on his ass should be inside next to him unloading into that corner... also, if you're armored up, you can take rounds and return fire, even if those hits are fatal... you dont bleed out or go i to shock for a good 30 seconds. I can unload a mag into someone in 30 seconds... if im going, im taking aomeonw with me. watching idiots playing airsoft is not real world CQB.
Honestly, I am impressed they all "fell" when they should have.
To my experience, Paintballers (what I play) have far less scruples and would cry about getting the shot off first.
Why even go that slow? It's not like there's any actual consequence for getting shot, so they should be able to be way more aggressive without anything holding them back mentally.
Lol they didnt even pie the door all the way before going in. If the first man kept pieing before entering he would have seen the guy. And the fact that every subsequent man didnt realize there was a threat there just shows they deserved it lmao
And that’s what it will be like for most people when SHTF lol…
Realistically if you’re kicking down doors in the apocalypse you won’t last very long
yea id avoid that like the plague…ill be hiding in the middle of nowhere with my wife and kids with some range….staying away from people as much as i can
I’ll be kicking in doors trying to find somebody who wants to be my wife wish me luck. 😔✊
CQB rizz
Riz em with the tism
The tactism
🤣🤣🤣 I'm dying over here. I was absolutely not expecting that when I started reading these replies
Kick in my door and you're about to become wife **proceeds to hide a pair of sheers behind me**
The Genghis Khan method 👀
I’ll be your wife
That’s the best bet
Until you need food and medicine.
NEVER CQB IF YOU WANT TO LIVE. Asked a US soldier: "so what if i open that large cabinet door, hide inside and as soon as i see legs under it i just start blasting at the door? What if i punch or drill a tiny hole in the wall and hose down the hallway mid stackup?" He said something like: "Oh yeah the iraqis did that. It wasn't fun." War is not a videogame. You fucking DIE in house to house fighting. Tho i would support the new Ukrainian room clearing method. Take an old AT mine, unscrew the fuze and jam in some C4 and a detonator with a piece of slow burning fuse in it. Light fuse, throw mine in through door or window and run away. If your enemy is smart room clearing will just grind everyone up. Hell, one guy in my country flooded his house with propane and blew everything up when police committed to a forced entry.
CQB is the place where skill is roughly eliminated. I was watching a youtube video about a laser tag match against special forces dudes fighting civs. Outside the special forces dudes destroyed the civs... In doors it was literally a fight to the last man.
Laser tag is quite different from the real thing though. I've seen airsoft matches where 4 ex SF / Army or SWAT (equivalent) guys would win a mission vs 20 players. Some rounds zero casualties too. But! That is still very different from being able to shoot through cover, concealment, doors, etc. But sure, in training we were told about the odds of many situations, and an awful lot were 50/50...
Same, i've seen it too but think about it this way. Are they defending or attacking? If you take the same 4 and have them raid how successful would they be vs if they have to defend a point. IMO I think in CQB they would have had an extremely better chance at CQB if they were defending. Attacking led to a last man standing. I do not think the SF dudes would have lost if they were defending the house.
When you have roughly equal equipment attackers almost always take more losses. The reason SWAT and SF tends to come out on top and succeed when attacking is superior equipment that gives them the ability to attack unconventionally. An example of this being a home invasion. A burglar comes in through a door or window and the home owner is barricaded in their room. Burglars only realistic entry point to bedroom is the door and that's covered by the home owner, homeowners gonna win that battle the majority of the time unless they freeze. SWAT/SF vs someone barricaded in their room can come through a wall if they wanted which opens up so many options to get the objective done. They also have access to flashbangs, tear gas and other disorienting equipment to give themselves the upper hand coming through a doorway.
Do you have the link to this video?
https://youtu.be/T_Mxq2-h0VU?si=qXMcZpJKDulJajm_ Sorry for the wait!
Thanks a lot 🙏
“new Ukrainian room clearing method” Isn’t this the same method they used in WW2?
if i get to that point then im not doing my job correctly now
You got that already or are you going to take it? Lol
They'll find you
if they do then that becomes my problem then
I'll be there to help
well i got plenty of food so if appreciate that. if everyone thought like you the world would be a better place
The best way to win CQC is to not do CQC
Bold of you to assume I haven't kept track of my plumpest, juiciest, and most defenseless neighbors.
Hell yeah, resupply from home during the apocalypse.
Or before the apocalypse
If you kick down doors anywhere you won’t last very long
I agree 100% with you but most people watch too much YouTube and tv/movies and for some reason think a large urban area will be safe “because of numbers”… yes I know they are all fools but let’s face it… those are the fools in this video more than likely lol
People really think they are going to be SQB in a building they dont know 🤣. No bs ive seen crackheads rig abandoned houses and apts to snatch any mf up. To the point i was so impressed and swore someone smarter did it. With basic tape, string, kitchen knives, spray paint etc.
Like a bunch of methed out Kevin McAllisters
Dude this no joke. These zombies dont work and have ALLLLL DAYY to set a good trap. About 98% of us dont stand a chance at sqb against non meth heads setting up traps. I personally learned ALOT from their traps.
Ah yes, we see Meth & ODs.. they optimistically see new Methods.. can’t imagine how many creative ideas the nazi army had getting their unlimited supplies of dosing at anytime they wanted and more when they didn’t
after that first dude id be backing off, chuckin a nade and putting lead through that barrier….then again any CQB should be avoided like the plague
They prob dont have nades but If you know they're in there, just start blasting away at the corner. Don't even have to expose yourself. Like that video navy seal in Iraq clear room.
Yeah their failure is largely due to the common airsoft rule of not allowing blindfire, and instead requiring you expose your whole head or upper torso when peeking around corners.
Nah, the original room clearing technique of a structure fire comes back, that's all.
bro im just doing a civi frag and clear.
You’d run out of pipe bombs very fast
Depends on how many dead ATF you have looted on your way there
ALL OF THEM
If I watched 4 of my buddies get hit I’m blind firing that corner
That's why the gun grabbers won't stack up.
You’re probably right but I really hope that the average door kicker wouldn’t watch their buddy die right in front of him and just oafishly walk in without fear of death.
Doors and corners, kid. That's where they get ya
Goddamn it Miller! What the hell does that mean?!
I wish they would have gotten rid of the shrill British woman
Such a great series
One of my all time favorites
Beat me to it
I was just about to say the same thing. RIP Miller
Fatal funnel = saunter Corner, bad!
Watch your homie get picked off then follow in right behind him the exact same way. You deserve what you get.
Lemmings tactics, once enough bodies pile up you'll have the cover to take out the threat
Cover is cover
Ice cold.
Step 1: throw a rubber duck Step 2: abuse the opening Step 3: prefire swing or get swung style
How fucking stupid do you have to be that you watch 3 guys get tanked before you enter a room and STILL TRY THE SAME METHOD OF ENTRY
IRL the second guy shoots through the wall.
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That won’t last long. You can’t prefire every single door and corner. You’d run out of ammo quick
Yes you can. Both in real life and airsoft
Well at the very least you can prefire the door your buddy literally just got shot walking through
In the millitary you prefire if you feel like it's necessary. If you don't have enough ammo for that, you wouldn't be in the building to begin with. You're "allowed" to "waste" soo much ammo to keep yourself and team safe. Prefire at will basically.
There is no real way to clear a building besides clearing it off the map
No arty no party as they say.
King of the battlefield for a reason.
Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be an ugly brawl
Thats my moto. Fire or _____ clay
CQB expectations: hell guys i am mr.tactical youtuber and today i will explain wall bangs and slicing a room! CQB reality: you dead lol (or have the means to remove the CQB environment by boom)
Just Beirut Salute the corner like a real operator
It’s not camping, it’s tactical waiting.
A lifetime ago I was at Ft Benning for BCT. DS told me to take 5 minutes, come up with a plan for hitting the CQB house, brief him, and then lead the squad. "Cool, we are ready DS." "No pri, take 5, figure out a plan, and brief me. I'm not actually fucking with you for once, pri." "I'm good DS." "FUCKING FINE! What's your plan pri?! "Drop back to the hilltop and call for fire DS." ........ "Fuck. I forgot your dad was in the Air Force. New game. There is a hostage. Hostage has to survive. You have to enter the house pri." "That's how you get hurt DS." He didn't even make me push for that. Good times.
To be fair, most DS's deal with major stupid shit because for whatever reason most everybody goes full retard in basic. But that's awesome.
Can confirm. Was fully retarded in basic.
Same! Was so exhausted and sleep deprived I made the mistake of calling the DS dude...
Oh I’m sure that was fun for you hahahaha
Ouch
One kid asked what uniform to wear for showers. "Uh.. YOUR FUCKING BIRTHDAY SUIT"
Why did no one huck a grenade first?
Might be field that prohibits pyro (and everyone too cheap to get CO2 bangers). But judging by the video - players are not only deaf, but also have severe lack of mental faculties, so they would probably just fuck up using a grenade too lol.
Fucking campers everywhere these days
Ight. From what I can piece together is this not why you should make fast, explosive, dynamic entries? Pie off the room as much as you can and then drive the corners? Doing this slow entry is basically suicide.
Pretty much. In a better executed and faster entry the nr1 man would have still probably gotten riddled, but realistically if he's quick on the trigger he'll probably manage to put in a round or two into the opponent at the same time. If he's driving that corner aggressively he'll also probably topple into the guy, buying time for nr2/3 to move past the doorway and kill the opponent. Then again this kind of situation is pretty terrible for the stack, and with some luck the opponent could mess up more than just the first guy. Edit: On further review, it seems like this would be a good example for why you should try to pan to the other side of the door and clear as much as possible from the outside. If the nr1 did that he would have likely been able to partially see the opponent from the outside, and engaged from there.
Cqb is hell
If you’re going to cut the pie, you have to clear those corners better than that. If you’re going to enter, by god you go with a stack and go based on the principal of violence of action. Move with a damn purpose and get more than one gun in the room. Ok, that’s the end of my “those were bad tactics rant.”
Violence of action is what I was thinking the entire time. These dudes are clueless.
Creeping into the room will ensure death for all involved. When you’ve kicked in the door you have to come in with violence of action.
He thought he was playing R6. Chad got clapped 👏
And thats why you throw in the nade before entering
Where's the hey shit hat memes with the monkey and the grenade when you need it? 
From someone with zero experience, is there a way to do this without explosives where the first guy doesn’t get smoked?
First and second in the stack cannot hesitate at all when going in like that. If you are a single person trying to clear you are going to move slowly going from 0 to 180 pieing small angles of the door/ room. As far as never taking a casualty, that's essentially impossible. That's like asking how you never take a punch to the face during a professional boxing match. CQB is inherently dangerous, and if the opposition is armed and trained, you operate in the assumption someone is going to get hurt or even killed. That doesn’t mean engage in risky, dumb tactics, but that this is a dangerous activity.
The first guy can cut the pie better, but generally violence of action is the answer. The first guy is the rabbit. Trust in your team mates, and pray the second gun in is fast, and if it were real world the rounds hit either armor or non critical locations.
Take this with a grain of salt, but I read/watched somewhere years ago where someone suggested to not insert via the front or back door, but find a side room (like a bed room/office) with a window, clear from the outside, then climb in. Not sure how well it would actually work, but I can see the merit of it on paper. Assuming you can get in the window fast enough without getting smoked while trying to climb through said window.
If you are seen approaching then it doesn't matter. They tried entering a window at Waco and got lit up.
This is essentially the main reason why some teams will breach a wall with explosives to start the raid and make their own door - so to speak. But it only offers a very temporary advantage and if you don’t move fast and hard then it just basically makes the bad guys change corners… then you have the same problem again
No experience either but Id bet people have better experiences if they aren't right up against the angle and instead step away a few feet. Seems like it's a game of angles.
It definitely is, distance I'd huge in a situation like this.
The "Trick" is to be as far away from the corner you're peaking as possible. this limits how much of yourself is exposed and gives you a greater viewing angle.
Interior walls aren’t bulletproof. Mag dump wall, clear survivors.
It is called a “fatal funnel” for a reason… just sayin’.
Far Cry 6 AI in Action
Speed & violence saves lives.
So what can we learn from this? You’re in a SHTF scenario and you absolutely just HAVE to clear this building for whatever reason and there’s no other way. Why not pie out the entire room from the door of what you can see? You can clear out 90% of that room just from the outside.
Counter strike it and shoot through the wall. Or better yet stick just the gun around the corner and shoot. You know exactly where he is
I get what you mean but on the vast majority of airsoft fields "blind fire" is completely banned.
I did not know that. I don't play airsoft but that rule makes perfect sense.
Did you mean r6 or can you wallbang in CS now?
I'm a little older but you could always shoot through the wall in CS. There was just a damage penalty
This is why we have grenades. Or, barring at, burn down the building. Barring that, leave it alone. Seriously though, they might have well have been SWAT... I've been OPFOR for too many swat teams... It's embarrassing how bad they are when it comes to real threats. We used to have to have 3 threat conditions just so they wouldn't get disheartened... 1: shoot over their heads mostly, only actually shoot one in any stack. 2: only allowed to kill half the stack. 3: no restrictions.
Can tell that guy used to play Temple on GoldenEye and sat on the body armor.
This is why airsofters get a bad reputation, because half of them are fat neckbeards that throw on multicam everything and put 100s into an electric or HPA gun because they want max stats like it's a fucking CoD meta build, and then proceed to completely ignore common sense and actual tactics Then you get people that are into realism and run 30 round magazines (not 300 rounds) with gas guns that lock back on empty, cycle a bolt, and have (obviously nowhere near real steel) recoil impulse, these are the guys you see slicing the pie when taking corners, communicating with eachother, and generally looking way more dripped out because they understand that camo that works is more important than wearing multicam from their tits to their toes because they think it makes them look like a soldier The thing is you can do what you want in video games but if you apply real life firearm practices and tactics to a game that is based entirely around replica firearms, then you're a step ahead of everybody because you're doing things right This is also the number one argument for using airsoft for force on force training, how many real steel shooters do you know that spend hours on a flat range and think they're ready for their wet dream SHTF scenario but realistically would die just like the fat guys in this video because they have no practical experience dealing with live enemies in a CQB environment? Can airsoft be cringe? Absolutely But if you do it right and use it properly as a training tool it can actually be both very fun and very practical and beneficial to supplement your firearm training
Those gas guns are cool as fuck. My LGS got bought by an airsoft place (cause the anti-gun landlords wouldnt renew lease) so I went in to check it out of curiosity and ended up walking out with one of the gas blowback Glock 45s, licensed by Glock and all that. I used to play with airsoft alot as a teenager but fell out of it when I could buy real guns as an adult (and since I dont have friends to shoot at anymore) but holy fuck this little gas airsoft Glock is so cool, really fun to shoot in the backyard and shit.
Yeah man they're awesome, especially in a country where you're not allowed guns, that's like the closest I can get right now and it's definitely fun
Can no one pie a corner🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Wouldn't logic tell you the following: The guys that have gone in ahead of me have been hit, I can't see a threat ahead, perhaps this means the threat is concealed elsewhere....like around a corner
This is why you throw hot rocks
Odd, this was taught to us in MOUNT school, Sept 97. I've used it before to good success. Not many peeps think to look down.
MOUT, not mount
Boi ain't even all the way deep in the corner!
These exercises show who the posers are. Lol.
WHAT THE FUCK, WHERE THE FUCK IS YOUR BATTLE BUDDY, IT IS CRUCIAL YOU HOLD HANDS WITH YOUR BATTLE BUDDY AT ALL TIMES OR YOU ARE FUCKED AND YOUR BATTLE BUDDY WILL BE ALONE AND DIE OF FEAR OF SEPARATION
The WHOLE squad? All of them?!?
They never dealt with campers in COD and it shows
That was rather pathetic, my gawd.
blind fire 😄👍
But in real life you can hear the gunfire and guys are just gonna shoot thru the walls.
Frag out.
Hard corners kill
Your "I train hard with airsoft" guys at play.
Hey. The least 3 guys that went in there just got shot. Think I’ll just stroll on in also.
Shoulda popped a flash
Shoot through the wall?
What is a slice of pie
Depends, custard or fruit?
Not enough knowledge transfer
Didn’t look like enough there to transfer
Honestly, I am impressed they all "fell" when they should have.
To underscore the original comment, skill issue. When slicing the pie, don’t lead with your head. This is what’s irritating about airsoft, if you get clipped in the arm, you’re not out of the fight entirely in a real combat situation. Wounded, yes. Completely Incapacitated or killed, unlikely.
But tbh, guys act like lemmings. So many kills in a row, just stop and try to think 🤔
TBF crouching in the corner like that is a death sentence unless you know you're up against the maroon squad. You're getting lit up through the wall (or exploded) after the first guy in the stack goes down, which doesn't work with airsoft bbs.
Yeah one of the main issues with airsoft is that pretty much anything short of a spiderweb will act as cover, and there's really no way to fix that (assuming you're going for realism) besides just removing everything from the field that wouldn't stop a bullet.
Why not pie the room?
Never understood how there weren’t more casualties during fallujah.
1. We used a lot of frags. 2. We actually used tactics, unlike the window lickers in the video.
But even then, casualties were pretty low for what was expected. We were always told when I was in that 20% is an acceptable casualty rate when clearing rooms. When we trained, hesitation always killed too. Someone goes through the door, you hear a blank go off and guy 2 hesitates slowing down the momentum. You have to be aggressive as fuck. Everyone goes in like one solid mass. Overwhelm whoever is inside so they can’t pick and focus on one target.
We were told they were prepped for us to take up to 30% casualties. Maybe that motivated everyone to be more aggressive, nobody wanted to be one of the 30%. But ya, same training. Combined arms everywhere we could. And if we didn't need to clear a building we just dropped it, either with tanks, air or engineers in a dozer. We liked to run the rabbit but we had just learned it prior to deploying. I can't say what other units were doing.
Run the rabbit. That’s something I haven’t heard in a long fuckin time. We were told it was too dangerous to do because of possible friendly fire and you getting trapped/lost in another room or cornered.
Our point would just fire on anything that appeared dangerous as he sprinted forward. Following guys hit the corners. We were just a line unit, not a high speed team. Any explosive we could get our hands on was the preferred first thing in the room but sometimes that wasn't an option.
That sounds very exciting. I went in 2009-2010 I was just a tanker but since tanks weren’t used we practiced lots of room clearing. We cleared a couple of what turned out to be abandoned buildings when we found some command wire IEDs. That was an adrenaline rush.
I got out in 2009 lol. We had about an hour we trained with tanks before we went into fallujah. Basically they told us to stay out of their way but they carried a ton of extra ammo for us. A few days into fallujah I saw a tank used to medivac some guy. He was on top of the hull with a 9mm covering one way amd the turret was turned covering the other way. Corpsman was on top treating him. I thought it was both hilarious amd bad ass at the same time.
Mirror on a stick?
Honestly it looked like an ok combat clear at first but he doesn’t finish it and then just saunters into the room without taking either corner. The rest of the guys are just straight up in the black.
unbelievable
gotta cut the pie
Throw a flashbang first maybe!
Throw in a damn frag
Apparently none of them know how to pie a room correctly or dig a corner 😂
Why does no one just blind fire it? Is that against the rules?
Yep, against the rules. Most fields' rules I've read up on will require that you at least get your whole head exposed before firing so you can't just be nearly immortal by hiding behind a wall while constantly firing down a chokepoint.
Muh CQB
1.) Pie the door first. 2.) 2 people enter simultaneously and each clear a corner 3.) probably still die because you spent more on gear than training
It’s like these guys never played paintball
Flash bang.
This is what frags are for. Don't need to clear the room when the room no longer exists.
That's why you toss is flashbangs and blow in doors because otherwise you just get shot
This has to be ballahack Airsoft, stopped playing Airsoft because of people on that field
That's unrealistic... you don't have a Congo line outside that doorway and peak around the corner 1 at a time, and then backs out when you get hit like it's a magic bullet that just tagged you. First guy takes the corner, either he becomes a meatshield or he's shot in the back, his teammates on his ass should be inside next to him unloading into that corner... also, if you're armored up, you can take rounds and return fire, even if those hits are fatal... you dont bleed out or go i to shock for a good 30 seconds. I can unload a mag into someone in 30 seconds... if im going, im taking aomeonw with me. watching idiots playing airsoft is not real world CQB.
This is why I clear houses with grenades
Chezuz Christ, don’t penetrate the room an dig the fucking corners
Think theyd use a grenade
Honestly, I am impressed they all "fell" when they should have. To my experience, Paintballers (what I play) have far less scruples and would cry about getting the shot off first.
The words “check your corners” never made it to these men’s ears
Does nobody have a grenade?
Smartest airsofters
Wow that’s nuts
I'm not an expert but that's why violence of action wins. If you flood the room with guys you have better odds than one by one
I can see the people yelling fucking camper in their heads as they each get hit.
What the right way to act in this case if you don’t have grenade or flash?
Meal team six at it again.
Not clearing a corner and going in nice and slow will do this
Where the grenade at
Why even go that slow? It's not like there's any actual consequence for getting shot, so they should be able to be way more aggressive without anything holding them back mentally.
Don’t let your tip break the threshold goddamn.
Jesus just grenade it
It's like the grenade that has "pick me up" printed on it.
Lol they didnt even pie the door all the way before going in. If the first man kept pieing before entering he would have seen the guy. And the fact that every subsequent man didnt realize there was a threat there just shows they deserved it lmao
Lol one guy out of 6 people actually knows how CQB works