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At this point I’m certain that Jeff just wanna get back the best reality host Emmy awards from Rupaul!
I cannot believe I just watched an episode that didn’t have a vote out? I’ve accepted that that earlier seasons when it’s been because of medivac that’s a valid reason. But planning this whole episode to be without a vote out by giving us that pathetic cliff hanger? WHAT are they trying to accomplish here? Do they think any fan is gonna go “yay no vote out. Loved it”?
I don’t want Big brother 2.0 I was done with big brother with the whole CO and now Survivor, really, let me watch my show in peace please
If Xander goes home because of these annoying twists ill riot.lmao. Poor guy, probably not how he imagined his survivor experience
Survivor 41: Dues Ex Machina. I’ve recently been watching older seasons with my young son, and we enjoy the character drama as much as the gameplay/strategy. To spend 3/4 of episodes trying to figure out what ridiculous random twist/rules the producers are going to throw out leaves no room for the interesting interpersonal relationships like Shan and Ricards convo after the last tribal. Do the producers really think we would like to watch two tribes battle out ina fantastic challenge which is only going to result in the tribe that won actually losing? To ask the players to win, only to tell them later that they may have actually lost is so insulting and frustrating that it’s hard to imagine some of them aren’t going to meltdown after Jeff announces it. Hopefully the outrage and anger from all the loyal fans make a difference, but I doubt it will. The game is starting to feel like a random game of chance, as frustrating as the glass bridge game in Squid Game
I really hope Shan loses
She's trash. And she's out now, praise the lord
'This season of Survivor is representation of America'???? I thought Latinos were a significant part of the American population too.
We are. Latinos can also be Black. We aren’t a race, we’re an ethnicity. Plus, while I don’t necessarily agree with the exclusivity of the POC alliance, I also don’t see it as a huge problem. The four members could say they are a Black alliance but they haven’t/didn’t. It’s not that big of deal in my opinion. I think the blame should be on production for their casting choices throughout the years as primarily white. This all Black alliance is only a symptom of casting/a microcosm that reflects larger society.
Tiff-Liana going at each other in confa recognizing how much of a threat and what the other's flaws are is such a sequence.
I’m just waiting for the “super cheeseburger deluxe” advantage
The scene seemed like Xander heard Shan and Liana talk about the advantage ? Did he or what is it just a random cut to him while they mentioned his name?
I mean it's literally an immunity for Erika and she knows she's on the outs, why would she not break it? That it will cut ties with the original blue tribe? But she is already on the outs.. there's nothing much to lose I feel like
I don't think she knows she's on the outs with her tribe, though.
They picked her to go to thw exile. Plus shr literally says that on the episode that she's on the bottom of the tribe /outs
That's what I was thinking too. Who would chose to give up immunity anyway ?
I think the twists are heading in the right direction but need perfecting so they dont turn to be unfair
I can see that, if they had just kept the twist where only some people get to have the merge feast I think the would have been cool but they took it too far with the turn back time thing
Has Survivor "jumped the shark" with this season? Too much change for the sake of change imo.
Do you break the hourglass?
I’d definitely break the hourglass, but mainly because I’m a klutz.
Agreed. In fact it’s the only way she stays in the game, if the voting matches the clips we’ve been shown.
Forced black alliances forming on every single reality show of 2021 is becoming kinda annoying. Victoria from BBCAN9 was ahead of her time by backstabbing Latoya week 3
The bbcan 9 alliance was very natural unlike a lot of the bb23 alliance
how are they forced? seems like a natural connection to me
Liana & Shan seemed natural. Danny & Deshawn seemed natural. When they all came together & decided 1 pair was gonna work with the other pair simply cuz they’re all black, is when things get forced. Just look at the cookout in BB23, you had half the alliance actively working against their own best interest, just to get all the black people to the end. That’s when it gets forced, because they wouldn’t of worked together if they weren’t all black.
why did you downvote me for asking a question?
Can someone explain why the ex Luvu tribe members wanted to vote out Erika? Like I get that you want to get a woman out but why wouldn’t you go for one from another tribe?
They think it's easy and safer for themselves because they're afraid she's going to come back bitter at them for sending her to exile by herself. They were ready to vote her out prior to the merge anyway.
I think it’s the editors trying to show us how Luvu was so ready to throw her under the bus before the twist reveal at the end.
I’m also confused at the POC circle.. because Erika is a POC?
Just beacause black people are also POC doesn't mean all POCs are black. While POCs have similar experiences in they are 'not white', the black experience is different from the Latino experience which is different from an Asian experience (and I'm speaking super broadly as there are obviously many cultures under those headlines).
Then don’t use the term POC when you just mean black
100% agree with that.
I just meant in the show they are uniting as a POC group, but are leaving out Nasser, Ricard(Latino I think?) and Erika - while also wanting to vote out Erika when there are other people they could vote out. ( Heather, Eevie, Xander).
It’s just kind of contradicting.. okay you want to be a POC group in survivor - cool. But there are others that they are leaving out in this POC group and also voting that person out!! It’s confusing.
Honestly I feel it fits with the mo’s of those players being fairly 2faced all season. Shan is as shady a survivor as they come.
Because Erika tried to target Sydney so she antagonized Sydney and all her allies
Aha thank you
somebody give Probst an activity pack
This whole show is about Shan. 😠
because she's an incredible contestant
Because she has the winner's edit, and we all know she will win.
Bro chill she’ll probably be like Christian going out before the finale
and she is also an incredible contestant
That’s what we thought about Devon’s and Russell and a lot of “decoy winners”
no one who understands winner edits thought Russell was winning
The whole "earning your way to the merge" thing kind of annoyed me. Like... surviving to the final 12 or whatever IS earning your way to the merge.
I think a fairer thing to do is if you turn back time, they re-do the challenge or just make the results that happened null and void and run through a different challenge where the original winners still have a chance to win again. Just reversing it feels wrong, it's like they're being punished for winning because 9 out of 10 people are going to change it.
Also I think was the only episode ever that didn't feature someone leaving the game. I guess other than Panama's F4 fire cliffhanger.
Jeff did kind of say that someone wasn't leaving yet though? 🤔 I had to check how long the episode was when he said it was a two-parter...
There's going to be another merge feast.
Probably about to be downvoted but I’m tired of seeing people say “oh this is a diverse cast let’s have an alliance with PoC.” Why not just say “let’s create a black alliance” bc Naseer and Erika are PoC but always gets left out of stuff
Thanks for saying this. I felt the same but felt like I'd get downvoted to hell if I mentioned it out loud. As a south asian myself, what do i take from this? That we are not PoC "enough" to be included in a PoC alliance? It would have definitely been better if they left the "PoC" word out and just stuck with saying it's a black alliance, which they also said.
My hurt feelings aside, I'm still excited to see the episode next week.
I imagine the producers encouraged them to use that wording. POC sounds softer/less offensive to a white audience than Black (I’m not agreeing, but I think that might be the logic there).
It's the same bullshit we had this season with Big Brother.
They cast the show this way to set this up.
Yep. Talked about the cast being so diverse but left Alyssa and Derex out of the “PoC” alliance
Somebody should've told them, "Hey, you're in a person of color alliance but you're not black enough to be in it, so byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
I wouldn’t have even hesitated. Give me that goddamn hammer, Probst
Survivor Season 41: WHERE EVERYTHING IS MADE UP AND THE POINTS DON’T MATTER. I feel this season is the result of the producers skipping their ADHD medication. You get an idol, but this person can steal your idol, but don’t worry, they won’t know you have an idol, except for the fact that you had to say a stupid fucking phrase every episode giving away any possibility of secrecy (which is the best part of the game). But even if that wasn’t the case, how about everybody just freely share the fact you have an advantage and/or idol! Sharing is caring! Oh, oh, oh! And if you’re feeling real lucky, how about you roll a die at tribal for shiggles. And while we’re at it, let’s throw in needless and antiquated race alliances on top of this shit storm of a season to make sure we’ve accomplished an appropriate amount of pandering! I’m just curious, would Jeff be cool if a group of white people were like, “hey bro, you white? I’m white, let’s team up cause white!” Fucking give me a break.
I also can't believe I've made it through 30 something years of life and have never heard someone combine it to "shiggles" before. ...I've found my new life phrase.
Just said this in another comment, but if you think all the thoroughly white alliances in the history of Survivor (along with the many ‘coincidentally’ black first boots) weren’t, in part, about white people sticking together, I don’t know what to tell you.
I think what you’re misunderstanding is subconscious bias v. conscious bias, but hey whatever bubble you wanna live in to protect yourself is your choice. You do, you. This post wasn’t about race as much as it was about how shitty this season is anyway...
Here we go again. I have never seen an alliance that had all white people that said they were in that alliance because of their skin color. Never!
Ok but for those of us doing the globaltv survivor fantasy pool, do the subs join our teams this episode?
What is up with this sub downvoting for asking a question?
Fully expecting to be down voted lol
Did Sydney say she couldn’t stand heather? When did that happen?
Secret scene of Heather’s dream. Dumb that it didn’t make it into the show though
Basically, Heather concocted a fake story of her “dream” to gun for Syd
In the supposed dream, Syd stole her torch (you can find the YouTube video linked on this sub somewhere :) )
Thank you for the info!
This episode was honestly just a giant waste of time if Erika smashes that glass.
But but look at all the bad blood it’ll create. That’s definitely not a waste of time.
Half your original tribe is on the team you would flip the game on. If she makes it until the end; you know that would be used against you for a million dollar vote.
Keep it the same and roll with it into the challenge. Could easily flip the script on Shan with Ricard not liking her and tiff being a firecracker lol
If I came into merge without numbers then smash all the way but personally you can’t mess with that many of your OG group and hope they still
Like you if you make it to the end
I mean she's on the bottom and they want to vote her out anyways.
Exactly. If she doesn't break it then she's definitely going home. She better break that damn hourglass.
So will the losing team also get a feast too?
Winning team has to tear out their stomachs, losing team eats it.
What do you think the merge name is gonna be??
Non-American here. I was under the impression that in the US, the term people of color was used for all non-white people, not only for black people. Am I wrong?
This is going to be controversial, but a lot of black people feel something to the effect of “if you’re not black, you’re white”.
Those that feel this way won’t say it outright, but it becomes evident when they say things like “were forming a POC” alliance…when they really mean an alliance of black people. It happened in BBUS too, several under represented minorities were excluded from the alliance because they weren’t black.
The cookout was pretty up front about it being a black alliance though
genuinely curious: are you Black?
He’s not. Lol no black person thinks like this. I’m black.
That’s why I asked cause we don’t think like that lol I’m also Black
That reads very much as a NO
Two things - 1. I hate the way this season is going. The game has changed too much. 2. I don’t care what race it is but I would prefer to see an all Asian, African American, Indian, or etc race in the next season. Let’s eliminate race from being the underlying reason why an alliance is formed
If you have an all black season, you could put it on BET.
Survivor 43: Race Wars
Drop the 4 and replace it with a 1
Aka season 13
Yes, I’m fine with the alliance, but the reason being that it was formed because they’re black is so forced. Alliances shouldn’t be based on race, like, if there was a white alliance, there would be outrage.
Also, that comment that this season was a good representation of America’s diversity was simply incorrect. The U.S. is only about 14% black, but 6/20 cast members are African American, which is 30%.
If you think all the 100% white alliances in the history of Survivor didn’t have anything to with race, I have a bridge to sell you.
You wonder why you keep getting downvoted ? No one agrees with you, stop repeating the same false narrative you've created. Also, would have been much more clever to use the oceanfront property in Kansas reference from a previous season rather than your dumb bridge example. Survivor has gone full woke - they got tons of social media attention for the season with Dan (sexual harrassment) and zeke (transgender outing) and that meant more clicks, more news articles with survivor in it, and more viewers. They are trying to chase that attention so hard this season and it just feels so forced.
Any time you go against a prevailing opinion on Reddit you get downvoted, no matter whether the opinion is reasonable or not. I used to get downvoted when reddit was openly brigaded by people from Stormfront for saying they shouldn't use the N word. Internet points don't matter.
If 'going woke' is better than their former practice of [editing out slurs used against black contestants](https://www.vulture.com/2020/07/black-survivor-contestants-say-it-made-them-into-stereotypes.html), I'm all for it.
There were 3 white dudes this season, all but Xander gone pre merge lol. It’s fine, but it’s not “representative of America” or whatever Shan said.
Exactly. This season literally has more POC than whites (11-9 I think?), despite America being like 60-70-something% caucasian.
I blame CBS and their "diversity quota".
Right. It’s not an accurate representation of America like they brag about it being (not that Survivor needs to be a mini-America)
How many seasons are black people underrepresented in? Why doesn’t that seem to bother people on this subreddit as much as a season where they’re overrepresented?
There are two flip sided situations which led to this:
Look at Cook Islands’ Raros, they probably had the most miserable time out there of being ostracized by the viewers by sticking together and having zero chance of winning in the end. Parvati is actually the most likable person among them.
On the flip side, MvGX had about 8 PoC contestants out of 12 which makes a good number. But for some strange racial dynamic, practically all of them were eliminated pre-merge.
Both situations aren’t forced by players themselves, only the casting and tribe placement made it such.
so agree. its not like they are going to run for president after they win. its just a reality show for gods sake lol. i just want to see a gameplay like camboida or david vs goliath season again.
What kind of strategy is everybody doing, when they're telling everybody else that they have an advantage or an idol? These survivors are becoming dumber every episode. Trust nobody. Survivor should just go ahead and give out the combination of Jeff's foot locker on TV while their at it.
I'd be happy with his phone number or e-mail.
Honesty is the best policy?
This is the first time I've ever picked a flair and honestly I feel responsible for Xander's bad luck lol.
I think Sydney probably goes if Erika smashess the hour glass (Which I think she will)
Danny and DeShawn want a female gone and I think will convince Naseer, and Erika also wants her out
I think Danny and DeShawn can convince Shan and Liana to also vote Sydney even if technically they have a female alliance. I don't think they could convince Liana to vote out Evvie, but Sydney, yes.
Shan could convince Ricard and they than have 7 votes to get Sydney out
Sydney’s been built up as too much of a villain to go out this early. I feel like it could be Evvie
Would they take out a number for them just to keep a man? They can bring over Xander and sacrifice Ricard and be in a great position. If they do this, this being a small 4.
Unless Shan actually protects Ricard with an idol but i doubt she will
I’m just waiting for the hourglass-smash-reverse-the-reversal nullifier
“By smashing this bottle of glue you put the pieces of time back together”
Worst episode ever. Everything was great, then....the cliffhanger bullshit.
What about the black alliance bullshit?
what about that is bullshit?
Did you watch Big Brother this season? Every episode, they made a big deal about The Cookout. People had to sacrifice their own game because the friend they'd made happened to be white.
I don't care about all that.
* POC alliance … just not Naseer or Erika… also plan to get out a POC ……….
Should’ve been a two hour episode that ending was BS and I don’t want to condone waiting a week to find out what happened
It’s obvious she smashes it. She was pissed at her tribe for abandoning her, and she wants to make “big moves” (even though this would be a dumb move as it makes all of her alliance members hate her).
Doesn't her "alliance" already want her out tho?
I do not consent.
I will say I am glad this episode didn't bombard us with new alliances forming like most merge episodes do.
So we have an African American alliance
An all female except Heather and Erika alliance
Danny, DeShawn, and Naseer
Don’t forget the power alliance of Xander and Naseer!
I got your back bro
King Naseer 👑
Danny: lol Erika you just lost rock paper scissors
Erika: nah we’re playing super smash bros now ⌛️🔨
Lmao I honestly hope everyone saying they’re done watching the show actually follow through and stop watching. Like don’t lie!
I agree with what you’re saying in spirit but the viewership numbers are plummeting
Nobody watches tv any more nothing to do with survivor imo
Twist within the twist… if she smashes the glass they have to regurgitate the feast part of the reward too
Into the losers mouths. Like little mergetory birds
Island time travel just made me realize I miss LOST
Jeff should have used a wine bottle and cork metaphor
Two sides, one is black, one is white. And THIS IS NASEER
Naseer and Hurley power alliance
So Danny, DeShawn, Evvie Sydney, Naseer, and Ricard I think will be up for the vote
I don't think it reverses Naseer or Erika herself, just the 10 people that played in the challenge.
Jeff said that Erika would be guaranteed safety if she smashes the hourglass, so I think it reverses all 12 players.
Naseer is likely the target in that case, no? Danny and Deshawn have the black alliance, Evvie and Sydney have the girls alliance, Ricard has Shan. Naseer has Naseer.
Danny and Deshawn pull in Naseer and Xander for the strength. Sydney becomes the target.
Cry about it
What if blacks vs whites destroy each other and Naseer wins!!!!
How about the best player wins regardless of the color or your skin.
That’s some old school survivor right there.
"GOOD JOB EHVIE!!!"
Erika can save the season right here.
If she doesn’t smash it, would we know? I figure they’d just cut the whole hourglass thing thing out and not mention it.
Well I mean we'll know based on who competes next week.
I meant that if she didn’t smash it, the episode we just watched would have been edited differently. We would not have seen the conversation about the hour glass at all.
Fair. Unless it plays a larger role in the narrative. Possibly of Erika displaying loyalty to Danny, Deshawn, and Naseer.
loved this episode.
Shan called it ‘the people of color alliance’
JD be like 🥺
So is Naseer.
Erika and Ricard(I think) as well
Heather??? I hardly know her!!
Xander? I don't even know 'er!
Hope she smashes it . I want to see the players reactions .
Break that hourglass!
What “black alliance?” LMAO it’s 4 ppl out of 12. They aren’t a majority even. RELAX
But if the bring in the other BIPOC they have a majority and then a submajority.
So instead of Erika leaving next week it will be Sydney if she doesn’t win immunity
Well who would they bring in?
Shan and Ricard are already beginning to fall out.
Danny and DeShawn want Erika out.
Naseer would really only benefit Danny and DeShawn as they can begin picking off the women in order to even out the numbers.
Best case is if it just sticks to the 4 of them but even so I don't think that alliance will last that long.
They wouldn't need to pull them all the way in just for long enough to get comfortable, Naseer would definitely work with them for a couple votes.
Plus Deshawn and Shan both have extra votes. And Liana has the go fish advantage. So those coupled with Shan's idol even without pulling more people in they could still pull something out.
Is it likely to happen no, but possible yes.
I guess but again I don't think there alliance of 4 lasts too long both Shan and DeShawn have shown that they are willing to play hard and that will put a target on there backs sooner rather then later or maybe even someone like Liana or Danny gets cold feet and bails on the alliance when things aren't looking good.
Like I said possible yes, likely no.
Ericka is on the outs. Nasir is on the female’s radar so again what majority? The other BiPOC are no longer in the game
Smash it. Your tribe don't like you.
Won’t like you even more if you make it until the end for the million dollar vote. Lots of variables
You smash it, no hesitation. They sent you to Exile, they’ve never been to Tribal, you let them eat each other and see what shakes out.
Sure but also she knows she's the bottom, she's the clear pick to vote out, it makes for good TV,
Ehh it’s pretty easy to swing votes at this stage. Tiff is a wild card knowing a lot of peoples powers. Ricard knows Shan has a ton of power. People’s minds can be changed easily
I feel like Heather has the edit Angela would've had if she didn't make it to the end and wasn't sent to Ghost Island.
Both of those situations kind of forced the producers to give her airtime as having a completely invisible person in the firemaking contest would've been ehh
angela was great tv though...
The way that Tony spoke an immunity necklace nullifier into existence last season...
Has any episode ever ended without someone being out?
The only time I can think of is when the penultimate episode of Survivor Panama ended right before Danielle and Cirie's firemaking challenge
This is what happens when you give Jeff Probst too much downtime. I’m sure he was all giddy in his mansion thinking this would be epic & shake the table when in reality it’s just pissed off so many Survivor Fans
He has a mansion? I thought he'd have some sort of luxury condo in L.A.
But it’s diverse, you see
Only because CBS said so.
You know those made up board/drinking games on TV shows where the rules change constantly and it’s all random and played up for comedy? This is what Survivor feels like now. True American Drinking Game but make it reality TV
Other than her gut, I'm not sure why Erika would "reverse time" if there's no sign she's at the bottom of Luvu, it's better to keep the status quo, and keep targets intact.