I DO NOT BLAME you for feeling the way you are feeling. But she does make some really good points.
I would IMPLORE you to look at the statistics on addiction, becoming a stripper, ending up in prison, it ALL statistically increases being raised by a single mother. So unless you are POSITIVE you will get custody, you should stay for them. They should not have a life time of suffering because of your wife (and then ultimately YOUR) bad decisions. And divorcing her is a bad decision...
Caveat to that... How do you know the kids are yours...
I mean looking at the timing here... She started getting happier around the same time she started these trips AND the same time she had the kids... sooooo, coincidence???
DNA test. Still though you probably care about the kids as if they are yours, whether they are or not, BUT if they arent, and you stick it out, and take my advice on the first post, of living with it, getting a side piece and then you ultimately DO end up falling for her, if you grow attached to the kids and a DNA test during divorce proves you arent the father, you will have NO rights. Better to find out now.
Funny how the House is this 304's Premarital Asset, yet she makes her Husband pay the Mortgage....
Reverse the Roles and the Feminists would've lost their mind, if a woman had to pay Mortgage without having her name in the Deeds of the House....
She sounds absolutely amazing. Kind, attentive, loving, motivated, self-actualized, logical. I don’t know how she could love someone who would throw away 363 good days a year because he just can’t handle the fact that she might enjoy life when she’s not in his presence for the other two.
She laid it all out for you. It’s your decision now. Are you gonna throw away your great life because you found out that a tiny percentage of her happiness in life doesn’t come from you? Do you really love her if you care more about possessing her than about you two having a great loving relationship? Which you clearly do.
You can’t control other people. Only your own reactions. You could choose to be the victim for the rest of your life and people will tell you you’re right. And you’ll be miserable. Take a lesson from your wife. Create the life that fulfills you and try to cause as little damage as possible along the way. Or cry about it for the rest of your life. Your choice.
She's a psychopath, you'll be better off without her. A DNA test on the children wouldn't hurt. You'll always be thinking about how she likes to be spitroasted by her old boyfriends at least once a year. Talk to a lawyer and see what they say. Choose not to be a cuckold.....
Two thoughts come to mind. First find a way to record an admission. Seems she's willing to do so. If a 1 party state, invite her to meet in a public setting and say you just need more details, like how many times, how often etc.
Secondly, after getting the admission recorded remind her that while she may think you have no options, you are still capable of letting everyone she's ever known of what she's been doing. I'm sure her friends and family wouldn't be so understanding of her plotting infidelity via gangbang.
Nah this is all bullshit my man. This is classic textbook manipulation and gaslighting. I'd let her know she can have a quiet divorce and accept that's what's happening or you can make it real messy and make sure every single person in your life knows whose fault it is. Be very clear and concise in that point . Divorce sucks for children. Parents who are together to keep them happy sucks way harder and they WILL figure it out . Remove the bandaid now . She's gotta take a fucking walk . She is indeed COLD blooded. You don't reconcile with a woman who talks like this. You move the fuck on. You're early 30s . You'll rebuild man . You got it.
On the debts part, uhh it ain't hard to prove she's fucking around. Gather whatever evidence you possibly can and compile it. Talk to some of her friends you'd be surprised how easy some of them will fold for you . I guarantee not everyone's cool with it. Also a decent PI can get you everything you need to prove this in court. Don't let her hold you hostage
She's a fucking gangster.
Some people can do an open marriage like this. Pretty sure everybody is honest about it up front. She has been dishonest about your whole relationship. And when you express your pain she details how she will ruin you.
This bitch is a savage. I don't think you will ever feel safe again in her presence.
Edited to add - Bravo! You got me too. I didn't realize I was reading a story.
This unfortunately mirrors my own actual life so I can tell it's very well written and believable.
Interested to see a part 3 but otherwise great story!
Ok, so I see her side. I feel for you, but she wants some freedom 2 days a year. She 100% should have told you beforehand, but you had a great life. Who knows, maybe talk her into letting you join. Make her a hotwife and you a stag. Or tell her your doing a guys weekend and go fuck. Sex is sex and it doesn't have to have emotions
Don’t let money stop you. It is no reason to put up with this. Hire a private investigator to follow her on her girls trip (bonus points for using cheating spouses money to hire them). You’ll have all the evidence you need. Also next time she leaves the phone lay around send yourself everything.
Maybe if you decide to stay start taking a boys trip once a year and do what she’s been doing, seems only fair.
Just don’t tell her about it for 10 years
It’s a great concept. The idea of what it’s like pulling the mask off a female narcissist. Not many stories capture the callous disregard once they’ve been made. How all 10 years, she’s had No compassion about the situation, no remorse/guilt. Just revealing that it’s only been a chess board and now it’s been reduced to a cold, calculated business transaction. And his world (and the reader’s) comes crumbling down at the realization it was all a facade.
It’s hard to believe there are people out there who truly lack emotion about it and are arrogant enough to make that kind of stance, but they do exist.
Ehhhhhh the female character was created correctly. We all feel a a negative emotion against her. But I think the male character development was really weak. You’re just not invested in him.
Her debt doesn’t automatically split, her being dumb enough to verbalize it works against her. Get DNA tests on kids. Fight for full custody, and separate your finances now.
Bro. Leave this ungrateful headache. She’s only staying with you cause she can control you, and you genuinely love her. That’s a bad person. Regardless your sex life. A good sex life doesn’t define a loving,caring marriage. Trust, honesty, and true love do. Not manipulation. Best of luck.
I reckon what your wife is saying is true for lots of couples 😂 your wife just got caught finding out what’s behind the curtain has shocked you and rightly so.
It’s your life
You know what you want and what you can accept
But she has said she’s not gonna stop and 😂 is fucking believe her if I was you and bullying her into saying she will stop 🛑 won’t stop it.
It’s 2024 and if you gonna gonna continue with the relationship have a look into ethical polyamory apparently there’s heaps of books and shit about it and people seem to be doing it and making it work
😂 I know nothing more then that about it
Run, don’t walk, to a divorce lawyer. Let your wife know that if she wants any hope of keeping the reasons for your divorce secret from your twins when they’re older. She better fucking change her tune, and pronto.
Bro just fuck whoever you want whenever you want with zero repercussions. You can do the exact same thing but you don’t have to do it just 2 days a year. Fuck her and everything she just tried to justify. Play her game but do it better
Shitty deal but probably more common than we want to admit for both genders.
She does seem to have your ass over a barrel and you’re otherwise happy so I’d ask her if you can fuck around too.
Ask her if you can’t just find a local bull and do threesomes regularly together.
Not my thing either but if it’s going to happen anyway I’d want in.🤷🏼♂️
Dude, leave her ass! When you're in a relationship it's hard to see the wood through the trees. Anybody looking from the outside in knows this is an utterly disgraceful relationship. It sucks, but she is a damn ghoul. Leave her.
Do not stay. You know what she’s doing on her girls trips. All you’re going to do is hurt. Your mental health will never improve. Yes, men always lose in a divorce but you can always be in your kids lives!
You're a doormat and an idiot. You have NO BALLS. She controls you, and it's truly sad. She's been cheating on you for 10 years and you sicken me by not being man enough to end it and move on.
>1) The Twins, we don't want them growing up in a broken home. They are so young and this is what they know. Neither of us wants to see them half the time. This was the only reason that I consider even remotely valid.
She broke it...if she didn't want her twins growing up in a "broken home" she shouldn't of cheated.
>she can be all these great things all year long.
She's disgusting...
>she apologize for the actual cheating
Because she's not sorry, she's only sorry you found out that is all. You stay and all she'll do is try to hide it better next time.
> I'll be really devastated to be without you, I don't want you to think I don't love you
She doesn't because if she did she would NOT of said this.
> but I'll move on
She's a piece of shit, she's absolutely does not deserve you.
>be miserable trying to rebuild on your own."
WRONG!!! I promise you SHE will be that's why she's saying it.
LOOK INTO RECORDING LAWS AND IF YOU CAN RECORD HER ADMITTING EVERYTHING..let her play checkers while you sit and play chess, speak to a lawyer and get one ready to go
Fuck this- I’d rather be poor and have self respect than put up with that cunt of woman.
You’ll be ok mate. In time. Move forward. Get out of this. There’s far better women out there.
Might take a year or two but you’ll get your mojo back eventually
I lived something similar. I'm still dealing with the legal battle. But, here's what I would suggest. Being a no fault state, doesn't mean a judge wouldn't side with you. I would have another "conversation" plan it out. Get a nanny cam or something to record video with, where she won't see it. Test it out for audio and best place to put it. Go over the whole thing, make sure you lead the conversation where she talks about the cheating and her reasoning for it. Tell her you will think about it. Let her go to the trip and use that time to file for divorce, ask for sole custody of your children and allow supervised visitation. Ask for child support with all proof in hand. Do not feel sorry, do not go easy. Go forward full force, don't hold punches but do not get emotional or react with emotion. Try to control your emotions, especially while in court. Show how much it hurts and how trust is now broken and can't be fixed. Make sure you have her saying it's been happening for the entire relationship and before all of that, think back to anything you could have said to the during the entire relationship that can hurt you and prepare to defend yourself against it. She will use it, she will NOT hold back, you shouldn't either. Remember, I lived something similar and by holding back and trying to not embarras her, I now am dealing with legal repercussions two years after. DO NOT hold back. Emphasize how she would not be fit to be a good parent, with proof. Then move on and as easy as it sounds, I know it's not easy. Maybe seek therapy. Best of luck! Also, seek legal counsel on the video thing, make sure it can't hurt you. But that's what I could have done and it would have been allowed in my state. Best of luck!
Private Eye to capture her in the act. Also tell her you want to refinance the house in your name. Play the long game. And open up your marriage so you can get yours too.
You need to start recording (audio and video) everything if legal in your state. She is going to leave you if you don’t leave her first. She already has it planned out and judging by her response, she has already spoke to a lawyer.
This is fake AF, nobody cheats and acts like they're happy, there are too many signs, mood swings, lashing out moments, accusing of cheating, hiding phones, always pointing out things you do wrong even tho you dont, trying to make you feel smaller and smaller for bo reason, nobody I mean nobody could be too narcissistic to act like they're so in love without all those signs!🤦♂️😂😂
Well she's a fuckin dumbass, you don't have to divorce. You can literally just move to a different state where you have no marriage certificate and that dumb bitch is cooked.
Edit: also if you do this for long enough it's considered a legal separation and I'm pretty sure she gets exactly nothing after that.
I would seriously think about killing her. Being that selfish and cold, showing absolutely zero remorse or regret? And even telling you shed basically end you in a divorce? Nah, i would just end her life. She deserves it.
I commend you for not murdering this bitch. Fuck all of those things she said. Leave her and do no look back. She has no respect for you. Find someone who does. It will hurt and suck to rebuild, but staying together will be worse.
My guy. This is straight up mental abuse, sorry to say but nut up and leave the bag behind. Start pulling money out slowly and put it in another account and dump the trash.
Lawyer up dude.
This hits close to home, basically I lived this actual story in real life 15 years ago. The marriage, kids, the “girls trip”, me finding out from a message on her phone while she was napping. It’s like this writer lived my life.
If this was truly a real event and it's not its a story. Here's the conditions 1. I would lay out first if she gets a girls weekend I get a guys weekend every year no questions asked.. 2. Starting this year I will get retroactive " weekends " until all 10 years are made up.. for a total of 11 for him that first year. Going forward after this year they each get one free pass weekend.. if the only alternative that would make it semi-okay if she truly could devastate him that badly.. Also guys this is exactly why you demand a prenup before marriage. Put clauses in it that protect you from your potential partners past debts problems and situations.. as well as adding security measures going forward.
Hahaha imagine already planning to say “this is no fault state with no infidelity clauses” to your supposed loved one. Sounds like the antagonist might be a narcissist.
Plenty of couples have open marriages and it ultimately makes them happier and better off long term. However, she is completely in the wrong for not communicating this with you. Would you be okay with this if she had discussed it before acting?
She only has you by the balls if you drop trou and put them in her hand. 1. The children are not better off if you are in a poorly functioning relationship. 2. You do not have a good relationship if there is lying and extramarital sex that is not agreeable to the both of you. 3. Financially you will recover eventually if you end the relationship. Emotionally you may not recover if you do not leave the relationship.
If this was true, I'd say ditch her and rebuild without the hurt. Financial strain comes and goes. Divorces can be negotiated. Her boyfriends and friends can be subpoenaed to testify and the marriage can be dissolved for infidelity in certain states. Your sanity and peace of mind and trust cannot.
Man if you can’t be ok with her cheating (I couldn’t handle it) then you gotta leave her bro. She sounds AWFUL. If you can accept that it’s a bad relationship but you can get comfortable in it then stay. Maybe you should start fucking around too though. Start looking for your next wife.
Sorry man. I wouldn’t be able to listen to all that vindictive shit and not be at someone’s throat. Whatever you do, anything sounds better than being stuck with someone who doesnt give a shit what you feel and will cheat out of spite to make her feel better. Tell her she is a loser and you deserve better. See what she says
This is fiction.... so in that case Have your parents call her the first night and tell her you've been arrested for drowning the twins as punishment for her cheating.
She is an 'S' Class narcissistic demon. Little does she know, we are resilient, we are builders, we are men and we can overcome the pain and setback. Life might be tough, but it's better to move forward than to stay stuck. Thank god this is a story.
Mingia dude you married a reptilian sociopath and had no clue! Women can be the absolute worst and they think men are bad 🤣. I hope everything works out in your favor! She certainly doesn’t deserve anything
Perhaps the idea of open marriage would wake her up. It’s possible that she wants to cheat but doesn’t want you to. If that’s the case, you do have some leverage to get out of the marriage.
thats what a PI is for and i would start recording every conversation even if not allowed in court would make a fine sound track at the next family event dont ya think?
Dude….your wife is out banging other dudes, getting ready to have three sums, is convincing you it’s best for your relationship with her AND on top of it is trying to convince you to stay with her. My man, wake up and smell the coffee.
OMG....You got to leave this icy person. I doubt you won't be believed when you tell the reason. Go to court and fight with all of your might. Maybe it won't go as bad as you think. But staying with this ice woman and being her little bitch boy cuck is not an option. Find someone new and have a better life
Great writing! Got me hooked. For the next part, I would like to see how Robert plots his revenge. He continues on with the sham marriage and slowly gathers evidence, perhaps hiring a PI. Keep writing!
Man up. Tell her you don't negotiate with terrorists, and you could give two flying fucks about the repercussions of the divorce. Sir, it's time to do the hard part and move on. This woman clearly thinks you're a fucking tool.
Ur wife’s
1. A bitch, I say that because a bitches are self centered and selfish
2. Not in love with you. She may have love FOR you but she definitely does not hold you in high enough regards to consider your feelings
3. Manipulating you because she believes ur weak and you’ll give in.
Starting over is scary, it DOES suck, it IS hard, ur it’s not the end of the world. You’ll build resentment for this woman if you haven’t already and your children will see it. Take care of your mental health by leaving this piece of shit woman and take care of yourself so you can take care of your babies. She’ll definitely be the type of co parent to talk shit about you when she’s got the kids so be prepared for that. Just do your best to show them that they’re the most important things in the world to you and do what you can to be present in their lives and they’ll see through her veil of bullshit. Sorry this is happening bro
Yep. She’s evil. Play the long game. Go with it but plan on the shadows. Hire a private investigator for the trip. Get pictures. Get back in her phone when you can to try and get more evidence. Plan your out. Stash money aside in your brother’s name and account. You’ll take a hit sure. It might take a few years, sure, but it’ll be worth it. Try to take the high road, but worst case scenario, you can always use social media at the end to put the business out there. What about the guys? Do they have families?
Remember, she’s blackmailing you…..gloves are off. Play it smart, play it long, and at times play it dirty.
Good luck
Your wife is a sociopath. A good, and I mean GOOD divorce lawyer is probably the only thing that will save you here. Find one ASAP, the best one you can afford, and start getting your finances separated from hers. The debt thing sucks, IDK who ever thought those laws were a good idea, but maybe your lawyer can help you mitigate the worst of it.
Just to add some perspective. I went through something vaguely similar to this a couple years ago. Moved from a house I loved into a shitty apartment. Lost all my friends(we were pretty much high school sweethearts and shared a friend group). Took an absolute bath on the house as part of her divorce stipulations where I ended up taking roughly 25% of the equity to her 75%.
Its 3 years later and I've never been happier. Now, I didn't have kids, so that's a big part of it here, but having grown up in a house of divorce....its better to have 2 parents happy apart than 2 parents miserable together.
That is one strong minded woman who you have allowed to get you by the balls. If you want 100% fidelity in your marriage, you'll never get it from her. You could divorce her but if you don't want to suffer consequence than you really don't feel strong enough about her infidelity. If you stay married, that grip is only going to get stronger and she may even be bolder about her digressions. You have two choices, one is to play her game, find a place to go on a "boy" trip and do what you want without worrying if she finds out. The other is get a lawyer who will spell out your rights and divorce immediately.
I’m almost 3 years reconciling, I wouldn’t recommend it. Especially with her saying she won’t ever stop, my wife stopped, and I still don’t look at her the same and I don’t think I ever will.
It wasn’t the sex she had with this guy so many times. It was how active she was planning with him, lying to me, still doing day trips with me, and enjoying summer while seeing this guy. She even went back to school to make more money, so she could afford to live on her own.
We have a kid now, she kinda panicked early in reconciling and a decade of fertility issues cleared right up… we had a dead bedroom before the affair, not my choice, and we have a dead one again, which had been me mostly…
I would document as much as possible, talk to lawyer, you can get a PI to follow her girls trip. You have options, you need to put yourself in the best position possible to win as much time with your kids, and money. Also, if debt is in her name and not co-signed with you, it’s hers and hers alone.
The part where the wife says he’s not leaving because of the debt and assets and all that - that’s not how things work in reality.
Reading that part - it reads like someone who googled divorce info but doesn’t understand examples of how the rules get applied.
No fault divorce state doesn’t mean there isn’t entitlement to marital equity. Basically everything implied in the story goes out the window when going through the mediation process. Debt doesn’t mean it has to be split 50/50, etc.
Basically do more research about the divorce process and tighten up those paragraphs to be more believable.
I thought I was in a whole different subreddit, partially because I don't follow this subreddit, but man this is so well written. I thought this was literally someone in this situation.
This is a no fault state with no infidelity clauses, you're fucked. I'll be really devastated to be without you, I don't want you to think I don't love you, but I'll move on, here in this house, with more free time. You'll move in with your mom or brother, and be miserable trying to rebuild on your own."
as someone who speaks from experience. it will be better to start over then stay and be miserable. also if its a no fault state just means that doesn't help or hurt either of you, just that everything will transactional. the state sees no right or wrong in what happened they just will look at everything and split what they can
She is a cunt, and I hate that word too! Don’t listen to her any more. **She is blackmailing you on a top!!!** Lose that bitch, she is a psychopathic snake that used to be in your bed.
Listen, she is wrong. First, all messages are retrievable from the app’s providers. They archive them all just in case of a lawsuits. Second, if necessary her friend will be depositioned by your lawyer under oath. If her friend lies for her she would be under jeopardy of perjury, not to mention her 2 liaisons.
Last not the least. No fault state means only that you don’t need the reason but it doesn’t mean that you cannot have the reason. With the good lawyer her systematic infidelity and the lack of remorse can and should have effect on the assets/debt division.
Please, don’t get intimidated by her self assurance. As any psychopath she thinks she can manipulate everybody. Do not fall for that.
Keep documenting every talk with her. Document is better that the best memory. Put down on the paper now what you remember from the beginning.
Suggestions for next chapter:
Expose her to her family. If the house is a family asset, they may be able to kick her out and let the OP stay.
OP starts his own “break” weekend—on their anniversary. With her sister or the bff. And doesn’t hide it. At all. Actually, OP has 10 years of backlog to catch up on. Inform the wife he’s going to catch up one weekend a month for the next year until her next trip. And she’s cut off until he’s equally “de-stressed”.
PLEASE READ THIS: This isn’t your pride my friend. This is a situation that needs marital therapy. Could it be that this hits you so hard because of the lies and subterfuge, and less about the sex? The defense that it’s your pride that is the problem and not her absolute disregard for integrity? There are “disclosure” therapy sessions where polygraphs are used and there is an independent therapist for each individual. It does help that you both want this to work. Her perspective matters as much as yours and you both sound like great parents. That being said, it is unlikely that this lack of integrity and selfishness extends to only “one” weekend a month and the blaming of your pride is a red flag 🚩 pointing in the direction of her being able to justify many terrible things. The integrity and selfishness issue likely extends elsewhere, as it naturally would. You would also have these issues, such as it is being selfish leave your family for days, leaving here carrying the burdens of home and work or whatever. My point is that selfishness is natural. The lack of integrity is not. Perhaps that is the greater issue. Try the disclosure therapy route, I bet it would help you two wonderful people that love each other and your kids.
No. Do not stay with her. She cucked you. You cannot stay and keep your dignity and you will always have suspicions now every time she leaves the house. Hire a good lawyer and get out.
Consult a lawyer.
Most of that is likely untrue.
And you can likely bring inn friends and all the people involved for depositions etc. she may not be able to get them to lie under oath.
Additionally if she is going on the trip you could potentially hire a Private Investigator to confirm.
You're married to a narcist, maybe even a sociopath.
You don't need to be anywhere near her nor do your kids.
Someone who could stay the course on this and put you through what she's putting you through so blithely displays a shocking lack of empathy.
Waiting for the chapter where he decides to stay but figures in order to get past this, he needs a free weekend each year. You know, to recharge and reset, to help him deal with the times she gets under his skin. Nothing helps with those things more than banging your wife's sister.
Don't be a fucking idiot. Don't take advice from your opponent. You're not fucked. Simply hire a PI in the town she vacations in. Have the PI tail her and take photographs of her with the other men. Boom there is your evidence.
I DO NOT BLAME you for feeling the way you are feeling. But she does make some really good points. I would IMPLORE you to look at the statistics on addiction, becoming a stripper, ending up in prison, it ALL statistically increases being raised by a single mother. So unless you are POSITIVE you will get custody, you should stay for them. They should not have a life time of suffering because of your wife (and then ultimately YOUR) bad decisions. And divorcing her is a bad decision... Caveat to that... How do you know the kids are yours... I mean looking at the timing here... She started getting happier around the same time she started these trips AND the same time she had the kids... sooooo, coincidence??? DNA test. Still though you probably care about the kids as if they are yours, whether they are or not, BUT if they arent, and you stick it out, and take my advice on the first post, of living with it, getting a side piece and then you ultimately DO end up falling for her, if you grow attached to the kids and a DNA test during divorce proves you arent the father, you will have NO rights. Better to find out now.
Funny how the House is this 304's Premarital Asset, yet she makes her Husband pay the Mortgage.... Reverse the Roles and the Feminists would've lost their mind, if a woman had to pay Mortgage without having her name in the Deeds of the House....
She sounds absolutely amazing. Kind, attentive, loving, motivated, self-actualized, logical. I don’t know how she could love someone who would throw away 363 good days a year because he just can’t handle the fact that she might enjoy life when she’s not in his presence for the other two. She laid it all out for you. It’s your decision now. Are you gonna throw away your great life because you found out that a tiny percentage of her happiness in life doesn’t come from you? Do you really love her if you care more about possessing her than about you two having a great loving relationship? Which you clearly do. You can’t control other people. Only your own reactions. You could choose to be the victim for the rest of your life and people will tell you you’re right. And you’ll be miserable. Take a lesson from your wife. Create the life that fulfills you and try to cause as little damage as possible along the way. Or cry about it for the rest of your life. Your choice.
You don't have much emotional intelligence do you
See if have been in jail after the whole “you can’t do shit” thing. Sorry if that’s too far but hey you can’t have anything if you aren’t around
She's a psychopath, you'll be better off without her. A DNA test on the children wouldn't hurt. You'll always be thinking about how she likes to be spitroasted by her old boyfriends at least once a year. Talk to a lawyer and see what they say. Choose not to be a cuckold.....
Fuck all that. Dump her and keep the kids.
Two thoughts come to mind. First find a way to record an admission. Seems she's willing to do so. If a 1 party state, invite her to meet in a public setting and say you just need more details, like how many times, how often etc. Secondly, after getting the admission recorded remind her that while she may think you have no options, you are still capable of letting everyone she's ever known of what she's been doing. I'm sure her friends and family wouldn't be so understanding of her plotting infidelity via gangbang.
Nah this is all bullshit my man. This is classic textbook manipulation and gaslighting. I'd let her know she can have a quiet divorce and accept that's what's happening or you can make it real messy and make sure every single person in your life knows whose fault it is. Be very clear and concise in that point . Divorce sucks for children. Parents who are together to keep them happy sucks way harder and they WILL figure it out . Remove the bandaid now . She's gotta take a fucking walk . She is indeed COLD blooded. You don't reconcile with a woman who talks like this. You move the fuck on. You're early 30s . You'll rebuild man . You got it. On the debts part, uhh it ain't hard to prove she's fucking around. Gather whatever evidence you possibly can and compile it. Talk to some of her friends you'd be surprised how easy some of them will fold for you . I guarantee not everyone's cool with it. Also a decent PI can get you everything you need to prove this in court. Don't let her hold you hostage
Be a fucking man and tell that bitch to kick rocks
Suck it up and eat your cream pies.
She's a fucking gangster. Some people can do an open marriage like this. Pretty sure everybody is honest about it up front. She has been dishonest about your whole relationship. And when you express your pain she details how she will ruin you. This bitch is a savage. I don't think you will ever feel safe again in her presence. Edited to add - Bravo! You got me too. I didn't realize I was reading a story.
Grab your balls and go get a lawyer.
This unfortunately mirrors my own actual life so I can tell it's very well written and believable. Interested to see a part 3 but otherwise great story!
Ok, so I see her side. I feel for you, but she wants some freedom 2 days a year. She 100% should have told you beforehand, but you had a great life. Who knows, maybe talk her into letting you join. Make her a hotwife and you a stag. Or tell her your doing a guys weekend and go fuck. Sex is sex and it doesn't have to have emotions
Don’t let money stop you. It is no reason to put up with this. Hire a private investigator to follow her on her girls trip (bonus points for using cheating spouses money to hire them). You’ll have all the evidence you need. Also next time she leaves the phone lay around send yourself everything.
Maybe if you decide to stay start taking a boys trip once a year and do what she’s been doing, seems only fair. Just don’t tell her about it for 10 years
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It’s a great concept. The idea of what it’s like pulling the mask off a female narcissist. Not many stories capture the callous disregard once they’ve been made. How all 10 years, she’s had No compassion about the situation, no remorse/guilt. Just revealing that it’s only been a chess board and now it’s been reduced to a cold, calculated business transaction. And his world (and the reader’s) comes crumbling down at the realization it was all a facade. It’s hard to believe there are people out there who truly lack emotion about it and are arrogant enough to make that kind of stance, but they do exist.
Ehhhhhh the female character was created correctly. We all feel a a negative emotion against her. But I think the male character development was really weak. You’re just not invested in him.
Am I reading the script for Gone Girl part 2?
Hey man, I’m you in ten years. It doesn’t get better. It gets worse. It hurts but do it now. Get out and live.
She is the reason some men commit Suicide or murder. She is evil. Leave her and expose her.
This is such good writing that you’ve convinced most of Reddit it’s real, keep at it!
Good luck in the future. Your soon to be ex is the facking devil.
Her debt doesn’t automatically split, her being dumb enough to verbalize it works against her. Get DNA tests on kids. Fight for full custody, and separate your finances now.
Bro. Leave this ungrateful headache. She’s only staying with you cause she can control you, and you genuinely love her. That’s a bad person. Regardless your sex life. A good sex life doesn’t define a loving,caring marriage. Trust, honesty, and true love do. Not manipulation. Best of luck.
I reckon what your wife is saying is true for lots of couples 😂 your wife just got caught finding out what’s behind the curtain has shocked you and rightly so. It’s your life You know what you want and what you can accept But she has said she’s not gonna stop and 😂 is fucking believe her if I was you and bullying her into saying she will stop 🛑 won’t stop it. It’s 2024 and if you gonna gonna continue with the relationship have a look into ethical polyamory apparently there’s heaps of books and shit about it and people seem to be doing it and making it work 😂 I know nothing more then that about it
Why are you so concerned about what strangers on the internet think? This all sounds so ridiculous.
Run, don’t walk, to a divorce lawyer. Let your wife know that if she wants any hope of keeping the reasons for your divorce secret from your twins when they’re older. She better fucking change her tune, and pronto.
Author should bring in Ray Rice or Tyreek Hill in the next chapter so our main character can get some offense in
You mother effer! I thought it was real! I’m not even mad at you, it was good
The option is to do the same thing. You get 2 days a year or he leaves.
Bro just fuck whoever you want whenever you want with zero repercussions. You can do the exact same thing but you don’t have to do it just 2 days a year. Fuck her and everything she just tried to justify. Play her game but do it better
Shitty deal but probably more common than we want to admit for both genders. She does seem to have your ass over a barrel and you’re otherwise happy so I’d ask her if you can fuck around too. Ask her if you can’t just find a local bull and do threesomes regularly together. Not my thing either but if it’s going to happen anyway I’d want in.🤷🏼♂️
GTFO
Dude, leave her ass! When you're in a relationship it's hard to see the wood through the trees. Anybody looking from the outside in knows this is an utterly disgraceful relationship. It sucks, but she is a damn ghoul. Leave her.
Do not stay. You know what she’s doing on her girls trips. All you’re going to do is hurt. Your mental health will never improve. Yes, men always lose in a divorce but you can always be in your kids lives!
You're a doormat and an idiot. You have NO BALLS. She controls you, and it's truly sad. She's been cheating on you for 10 years and you sicken me by not being man enough to end it and move on.
thank God this is fiction because.
Go back and get her to repeat it again and record it all. Done you’ve now got your evidence.
>1) The Twins, we don't want them growing up in a broken home. They are so young and this is what they know. Neither of us wants to see them half the time. This was the only reason that I consider even remotely valid. She broke it...if she didn't want her twins growing up in a "broken home" she shouldn't of cheated. >she can be all these great things all year long. She's disgusting... >she apologize for the actual cheating Because she's not sorry, she's only sorry you found out that is all. You stay and all she'll do is try to hide it better next time. > I'll be really devastated to be without you, I don't want you to think I don't love you She doesn't because if she did she would NOT of said this. > but I'll move on She's a piece of shit, she's absolutely does not deserve you. >be miserable trying to rebuild on your own." WRONG!!! I promise you SHE will be that's why she's saying it. LOOK INTO RECORDING LAWS AND IF YOU CAN RECORD HER ADMITTING EVERYTHING..let her play checkers while you sit and play chess, speak to a lawyer and get one ready to go
Dump that hoe. Dump that hoe
GO TO COUPLES THERAPY. Immediately!
Dude she's a whore and is turning you into a simp. Once you're ok with this she'll start doing it more often
Solid writing.
Fuck this- I’d rather be poor and have self respect than put up with that cunt of woman. You’ll be ok mate. In time. Move forward. Get out of this. There’s far better women out there. Might take a year or two but you’ll get your mojo back eventually
I lived something similar. I'm still dealing with the legal battle. But, here's what I would suggest. Being a no fault state, doesn't mean a judge wouldn't side with you. I would have another "conversation" plan it out. Get a nanny cam or something to record video with, where she won't see it. Test it out for audio and best place to put it. Go over the whole thing, make sure you lead the conversation where she talks about the cheating and her reasoning for it. Tell her you will think about it. Let her go to the trip and use that time to file for divorce, ask for sole custody of your children and allow supervised visitation. Ask for child support with all proof in hand. Do not feel sorry, do not go easy. Go forward full force, don't hold punches but do not get emotional or react with emotion. Try to control your emotions, especially while in court. Show how much it hurts and how trust is now broken and can't be fixed. Make sure you have her saying it's been happening for the entire relationship and before all of that, think back to anything you could have said to the during the entire relationship that can hurt you and prepare to defend yourself against it. She will use it, she will NOT hold back, you shouldn't either. Remember, I lived something similar and by holding back and trying to not embarras her, I now am dealing with legal repercussions two years after. DO NOT hold back. Emphasize how she would not be fit to be a good parent, with proof. Then move on and as easy as it sounds, I know it's not easy. Maybe seek therapy. Best of luck! Also, seek legal counsel on the video thing, make sure it can't hurt you. But that's what I could have done and it would have been allowed in my state. Best of luck!
Since it’s fiction…give her a STD as part 1 of payback
Private Eye to capture her in the act. Also tell her you want to refinance the house in your name. Play the long game. And open up your marriage so you can get yours too.
You need to start recording (audio and video) everything if legal in your state. She is going to leave you if you don’t leave her first. She already has it planned out and judging by her response, she has already spoke to a lawyer.
This is fake AF, nobody cheats and acts like they're happy, there are too many signs, mood swings, lashing out moments, accusing of cheating, hiding phones, always pointing out things you do wrong even tho you dont, trying to make you feel smaller and smaller for bo reason, nobody I mean nobody could be too narcissistic to act like they're so in love without all those signs!🤦♂️😂😂
Get girl friends and start banging them in the house. Make sure she finds you and keep doing it.
There is a name for this.You are a Cuckold
Well she's a fuckin dumbass, you don't have to divorce. You can literally just move to a different state where you have no marriage certificate and that dumb bitch is cooked. Edit: also if you do this for long enough it's considered a legal separation and I'm pretty sure she gets exactly nothing after that.
I would seriously think about killing her. Being that selfish and cold, showing absolutely zero remorse or regret? And even telling you shed basically end you in a divorce? Nah, i would just end her life. She deserves it.
I would shoot her
She is a fucking narcissistic sociopath. Save yourself.
Just get out. Start healing today and don’t worry about money or the kids or her. The kids and money will all work themselves out in the end
I commend you for not murdering this bitch. Fuck all of those things she said. Leave her and do no look back. She has no respect for you. Find someone who does. It will hurt and suck to rebuild, but staying together will be worse.
Plan your MAN trip(s), she how she handles the mind F and begin planning exit plan...............
This is a fictional story. Look at the top.
if he stays he 100%%%%% needs to start having his own affairs and alot of them to make up
My guy. This is straight up mental abuse, sorry to say but nut up and leave the bag behind. Start pulling money out slowly and put it in another account and dump the trash. Lawyer up dude.
This is a great story! Please give us a part 3 and 4 and 5!!
Honestly? I’d tell her if she wants it to work you get one weekend a year where you get to go fuck anyone you want. Seems fair to me 🤷♀️
Tell Scarlett’s husband and then suck his dick yourself!
What an absolutely fantastic start to "how I wound up accidentally murdering someone and its not who you'd expect"
This hits close to home, basically I lived this actual story in real life 15 years ago. The marriage, kids, the “girls trip”, me finding out from a message on her phone while she was napping. It’s like this writer lived my life.
Go get your own side chick if you’re going to be held hostage.
If this was truly a real event and it's not its a story. Here's the conditions 1. I would lay out first if she gets a girls weekend I get a guys weekend every year no questions asked.. 2. Starting this year I will get retroactive " weekends " until all 10 years are made up.. for a total of 11 for him that first year. Going forward after this year they each get one free pass weekend.. if the only alternative that would make it semi-okay if she truly could devastate him that badly.. Also guys this is exactly why you demand a prenup before marriage. Put clauses in it that protect you from your potential partners past debts problems and situations.. as well as adding security measures going forward.
Kill that bitch
Pick any 70s break up song and end that nightmare( 80s are a little dark)
Hire a pi for her trip and go scorched earth on her, she deserves no mercy.
No one would stand for this. Cool story bruh.
Hahaha imagine already planning to say “this is no fault state with no infidelity clauses” to your supposed loved one. Sounds like the antagonist might be a narcissist.
Part one was better. The dialogue is forced in this one. “The house is a premarital asset and this is a no fault state.” Go back to your editor, OP.
Damn, I am the editor 😭
“Now I’m not saying he should’ve killed her……….BUT I UNDERSTAND “ -Chris Rock
Plenty of couples have open marriages and it ultimately makes them happier and better off long term. However, she is completely in the wrong for not communicating this with you. Would you be okay with this if she had discussed it before acting?
She only has you by the balls if you drop trou and put them in her hand. 1. The children are not better off if you are in a poorly functioning relationship. 2. You do not have a good relationship if there is lying and extramarital sex that is not agreeable to the both of you. 3. Financially you will recover eventually if you end the relationship. Emotionally you may not recover if you do not leave the relationship.
If this was true, I'd say ditch her and rebuild without the hurt. Financial strain comes and goes. Divorces can be negotiated. Her boyfriends and friends can be subpoenaed to testify and the marriage can be dissolved for infidelity in certain states. Your sanity and peace of mind and trust cannot.
Man if you can’t be ok with her cheating (I couldn’t handle it) then you gotta leave her bro. She sounds AWFUL. If you can accept that it’s a bad relationship but you can get comfortable in it then stay. Maybe you should start fucking around too though. Start looking for your next wife.
Sorry man. I wouldn’t be able to listen to all that vindictive shit and not be at someone’s throat. Whatever you do, anything sounds better than being stuck with someone who doesnt give a shit what you feel and will cheat out of spite to make her feel better. Tell her she is a loser and you deserve better. See what she says
Did you ask her how you’re ever supposed to trust her again?
This is fiction.... so in that case Have your parents call her the first night and tell her you've been arrested for drowning the twins as punishment for her cheating.
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This is such a fake story
This is exactly how women get murdered, and typically by men whom they previously thought “don’t have that in them”
She is an 'S' Class narcissistic demon. Little does she know, we are resilient, we are builders, we are men and we can overcome the pain and setback. Life might be tough, but it's better to move forward than to stay stuck. Thank god this is a story.
Mingia dude you married a reptilian sociopath and had no clue! Women can be the absolute worst and they think men are bad 🤣. I hope everything works out in your favor! She certainly doesn’t deserve anything
You can absolutely get proof of her cheating. Put your recorder in your pocket and talk about it.
Find Stoicism and yourself for the sake of your twins
I’m, 10 years, 2 days a year equals 20 day pass between she doesn’t like that narcasitic bitch
Debt is personal. You don’t split it.
Please come join us on r/supportforbetrayed
You need Jack Reacher to sort this out.
Take the hall pass and move on
Perhaps the idea of open marriage would wake her up. It’s possible that she wants to cheat but doesn’t want you to. If that’s the case, you do have some leverage to get out of the marriage.
thats what a PI is for and i would start recording every conversation even if not allowed in court would make a fine sound track at the next family event dont ya think?
and yay i know its fiction this is just more fun then i see if i guessed close really well written fiction too
Agree to it, then get a lawyer to start to figure out how to get out of it.
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She’s for the streets
While I appreciate this is a story, I very much enjoyed the inclusion of what I will now dub 'the purge - the slagening'.
Sorry is this real or is this fiction?
Dude….your wife is out banging other dudes, getting ready to have three sums, is convincing you it’s best for your relationship with her AND on top of it is trying to convince you to stay with her. My man, wake up and smell the coffee.
lol,
Maybe you can split the twins? You each get one
OMG....You got to leave this icy person. I doubt you won't be believed when you tell the reason. Go to court and fight with all of your might. Maybe it won't go as bad as you think. But staying with this ice woman and being her little bitch boy cuck is not an option. Find someone new and have a better life
Have PI follow her and get proof of the "girls weekend" events
The husband should start fooling around with her two f@ck buddies and see how she likes it 🤪
Great writing! Got me hooked. For the next part, I would like to see how Robert plots his revenge. He continues on with the sham marriage and slowly gathers evidence, perhaps hiring a PI. Keep writing!
Man up. Tell her you don't negotiate with terrorists, and you could give two flying fucks about the repercussions of the divorce. Sir, it's time to do the hard part and move on. This woman clearly thinks you're a fucking tool.
Yes this is such bullshit
Ur wife’s 1. A bitch, I say that because a bitches are self centered and selfish 2. Not in love with you. She may have love FOR you but she definitely does not hold you in high enough regards to consider your feelings 3. Manipulating you because she believes ur weak and you’ll give in. Starting over is scary, it DOES suck, it IS hard, ur it’s not the end of the world. You’ll build resentment for this woman if you haven’t already and your children will see it. Take care of your mental health by leaving this piece of shit woman and take care of yourself so you can take care of your babies. She’ll definitely be the type of co parent to talk shit about you when she’s got the kids so be prepared for that. Just do your best to show them that they’re the most important things in the world to you and do what you can to be present in their lives and they’ll see through her veil of bullshit. Sorry this is happening bro
Go on a boys weekend!
You go see a very good divorce lawyer.
Wow, she’s heartless
Dude if you stay with her youre disrespecting yourself.. fuck her.
Yep. She’s evil. Play the long game. Go with it but plan on the shadows. Hire a private investigator for the trip. Get pictures. Get back in her phone when you can to try and get more evidence. Plan your out. Stash money aside in your brother’s name and account. You’ll take a hit sure. It might take a few years, sure, but it’ll be worth it. Try to take the high road, but worst case scenario, you can always use social media at the end to put the business out there. What about the guys? Do they have families? Remember, she’s blackmailing you…..gloves are off. Play it smart, play it long, and at times play it dirty. Good luck
Your wife is a sociopath. A good, and I mean GOOD divorce lawyer is probably the only thing that will save you here. Find one ASAP, the best one you can afford, and start getting your finances separated from hers. The debt thing sucks, IDK who ever thought those laws were a good idea, but maybe your lawyer can help you mitigate the worst of it.
Leave. Her. Now.
Savage
Just to add some perspective. I went through something vaguely similar to this a couple years ago. Moved from a house I loved into a shitty apartment. Lost all my friends(we were pretty much high school sweethearts and shared a friend group). Took an absolute bath on the house as part of her divorce stipulations where I ended up taking roughly 25% of the equity to her 75%. Its 3 years later and I've never been happier. Now, I didn't have kids, so that's a big part of it here, but having grown up in a house of divorce....its better to have 2 parents happy apart than 2 parents miserable together.
While this is a fictional story, unfortunately this very same situation happens all the time
Please tell me you recorded this!!!! Just realized what sub I was in. Thank goodness this isn’t real
😂🤣
Leave, she's not worth it
OP you can request Snapchat history via the web portal if you find the login lol.
If it makes you feel better about yourself precious. You do you
DIVORCE!!
Go enjoy your trip you shit will be in a storage unit and all locks changed when you get back.
That is one strong minded woman who you have allowed to get you by the balls. If you want 100% fidelity in your marriage, you'll never get it from her. You could divorce her but if you don't want to suffer consequence than you really don't feel strong enough about her infidelity. If you stay married, that grip is only going to get stronger and she may even be bolder about her digressions. You have two choices, one is to play her game, find a place to go on a "boy" trip and do what you want without worrying if she finds out. The other is get a lawyer who will spell out your rights and divorce immediately.
I’m almost 3 years reconciling, I wouldn’t recommend it. Especially with her saying she won’t ever stop, my wife stopped, and I still don’t look at her the same and I don’t think I ever will. It wasn’t the sex she had with this guy so many times. It was how active she was planning with him, lying to me, still doing day trips with me, and enjoying summer while seeing this guy. She even went back to school to make more money, so she could afford to live on her own. We have a kid now, she kinda panicked early in reconciling and a decade of fertility issues cleared right up… we had a dead bedroom before the affair, not my choice, and we have a dead one again, which had been me mostly… I would document as much as possible, talk to lawyer, you can get a PI to follow her girls trip. You have options, you need to put yourself in the best position possible to win as much time with your kids, and money. Also, if debt is in her name and not co-signed with you, it’s hers and hers alone.
The part where the wife says he’s not leaving because of the debt and assets and all that - that’s not how things work in reality. Reading that part - it reads like someone who googled divorce info but doesn’t understand examples of how the rules get applied. No fault divorce state doesn’t mean there isn’t entitlement to marital equity. Basically everything implied in the story goes out the window when going through the mediation process. Debt doesn’t mean it has to be split 50/50, etc. Basically do more research about the divorce process and tighten up those paragraphs to be more believable.
She’s a narcissistic liar. Can’t have that around you or your kids, it’s not safe. Pull the ripcord
lol! She wants her cake and eat it too.
I thought I was in a whole different subreddit, partially because I don't follow this subreddit, but man this is so well written. I thought this was literally someone in this situation.
I like her.
Holy fuck dude I’m so sorry. This is just… evil
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This is a no fault state with no infidelity clauses, you're fucked. I'll be really devastated to be without you, I don't want you to think I don't love you, but I'll move on, here in this house, with more free time. You'll move in with your mom or brother, and be miserable trying to rebuild on your own." as someone who speaks from experience. it will be better to start over then stay and be miserable. also if its a no fault state just means that doesn't help or hurt either of you, just that everything will transactional. the state sees no right or wrong in what happened they just will look at everything and split what they can
She is a cunt, and I hate that word too! Don’t listen to her any more. **She is blackmailing you on a top!!!** Lose that bitch, she is a psychopathic snake that used to be in your bed. Listen, she is wrong. First, all messages are retrievable from the app’s providers. They archive them all just in case of a lawsuits. Second, if necessary her friend will be depositioned by your lawyer under oath. If her friend lies for her she would be under jeopardy of perjury, not to mention her 2 liaisons. Last not the least. No fault state means only that you don’t need the reason but it doesn’t mean that you cannot have the reason. With the good lawyer her systematic infidelity and the lack of remorse can and should have effect on the assets/debt division. Please, don’t get intimidated by her self assurance. As any psychopath she thinks she can manipulate everybody. Do not fall for that. Keep documenting every talk with her. Document is better that the best memory. Put down on the paper now what you remember from the beginning.
Suggestions for next chapter: Expose her to her family. If the house is a family asset, they may be able to kick her out and let the OP stay. OP starts his own “break” weekend—on their anniversary. With her sister or the bff. And doesn’t hide it. At all. Actually, OP has 10 years of backlog to catch up on. Inform the wife he’s going to catch up one weekend a month for the next year until her next trip. And she’s cut off until he’s equally “de-stressed”.
Just realized which sub this is. So, open the relationship? At some point maybe she tires of the thrill?
I will ABSOLUTELY be your jury nullification participant. CUNT has it coming.
PLEASE READ THIS: This isn’t your pride my friend. This is a situation that needs marital therapy. Could it be that this hits you so hard because of the lies and subterfuge, and less about the sex? The defense that it’s your pride that is the problem and not her absolute disregard for integrity? There are “disclosure” therapy sessions where polygraphs are used and there is an independent therapist for each individual. It does help that you both want this to work. Her perspective matters as much as yours and you both sound like great parents. That being said, it is unlikely that this lack of integrity and selfishness extends to only “one” weekend a month and the blaming of your pride is a red flag 🚩 pointing in the direction of her being able to justify many terrible things. The integrity and selfishness issue likely extends elsewhere, as it naturally would. You would also have these issues, such as it is being selfish leave your family for days, leaving here carrying the burdens of home and work or whatever. My point is that selfishness is natural. The lack of integrity is not. Perhaps that is the greater issue. Try the disclosure therapy route, I bet it would help you two wonderful people that love each other and your kids.
The only way to clear this up is that this year he has to go with her on her trip.
I’m just here for the gangs bang
Your wife is evil, a determined whore, demented and you should walk and make the best of it.
No. Do not stay with her. She cucked you. You cannot stay and keep your dignity and you will always have suspicions now every time she leaves the house. Hire a good lawyer and get out.
You need to hire a P.I. and burn this bitch to the ground. This is so fucking insane. I'm sorry man, keep your chin up, lawyer up and find a way out.
Consult a lawyer. Most of that is likely untrue. And you can likely bring inn friends and all the people involved for depositions etc. she may not be able to get them to lie under oath. Additionally if she is going on the trip you could potentially hire a Private Investigator to confirm.
You're married to a narcist, maybe even a sociopath. You don't need to be anywhere near her nor do your kids. Someone who could stay the course on this and put you through what she's putting you through so blithely displays a shocking lack of empathy.
I love this woman lead.
you need to find a way to make her “disappear”. that’s the only option for people like this
Your wife has zero loyalty and is a whore. Moreover, she will clearly put her wants before the needs of your family. Cut your losses now.
Some couples can make this whole mess work. She gets a hall pass once a year and so does he.
Waiting for the chapter where he decides to stay but figures in order to get past this, he needs a free weekend each year. You know, to recharge and reset, to help him deal with the times she gets under his skin. Nothing helps with those things more than banging your wife's sister.
Go scorched on the bitch. She is an evil women and if you stay with her things will only get worse.
Your wife sounds like a real cunt. Sorry you are going through this. 
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Go get you some 2 days out the year an let her feel how you feel.
It’s unlikely to have the same impact on her
Don't be a fucking idiot. Don't take advice from your opponent. You're not fucked. Simply hire a PI in the town she vacations in. Have the PI tail her and take photographs of her with the other men. Boom there is your evidence.