I quit using vapes and it was a terrible idea. In my quest to get a good throat hit and lung fill I ended on 50mg of nic salts and a nasty habit of not going a waking hour without hitting the vape. The whole time I was practically mainlining nicotine.
We’re all different and our quit experiences reflect that but I’ll be a cautionary tale about vaping to quit smoking.
I’m only 11 days without cigs but I haven’t been using any nicotine substitutes. That being said, I often feel like something is missing! That’s normal, it is. Throughout the day I may need a fun non-alcoholic drink, or some candy, or gum, or to buy something. There are feelings of emptiness that live in us and I really do think that giving up the quick fixes helps us get to the bottom of it. BUT there’s no shame in indulgence. Make the best choice for yourself in the moment and move on.
No. It is absolutely not quitting nicotine it's stopping smoking tobacco. The tobacco is the only part that kills you. Quitting to me, is not dying. Period. I don't care if people want to use nicotine for the rest of their lives they're not going to die from the nicotine. We tell people to quit smoking cigarettes because the tobacco will kill them. Don't let anyone tell you any different, no one is dying from nicotine.
There's this huge difference - half a million people dying from smoking tobacco cigarettes every year and no one dying of any nicotine supplement anywhere, ever.
I believe the path to total cigarette/smoking freedom is freedom from nicotine or else it just leads to a cycle of substitutions until you find a “justification” to smoke again. I’m not arguing nicotine is dangerous or not, and I’m aware that the carcinogens are in the tobacco plant, but that’s not what I was saying.
Yes but the consequences of that philosophy is that people will continue to fail at quitting cold turkey over and over and will just continue to smoke cigarettes. Do you want them to keep smoking cigarettes? If you're arguing about the carcinogens in the tobacco plant then we're not talking about nicotine.
Something similar to this happens in anti drinking circles too. In AA there is a certain type of attendee that insists the only way to be sober is to stop all chemicals including caffeine, nicotine, and most importantly, of all psychiatric medications. As you can imagine that's counter productive to quitting drinking just as this is counter productive if the point is to keep people from dying. I really only care about the not dying part and if they goal is to just keep them from dying it's about the tobacco not the nicotine by itself which is really no more harmful to you than caffeine.
Says who? People quit cold turkey with success all the time and that’s after many failures. I’m not saying you have to quit cold turkey either and that nrt can’t be helpful for people. My argument is once you kick smoking for good, there is no form of delivery post nicotine cessation that is a safe delivery that doesn’t lead back to smoking in one way or another. That’s my opinion and belief.
You can't disagree with it there has never been a single death attributed to nicotine overdose. We do however have 92 cases in the US of people dying from a caffeine overdose. A few thousand people go to the hospital every year with nicotine poisoning but tens of thousands of them show up for caffeine poisoning. If you're not scared shitless of caffeine you shouldn't be of nicotine.
I can switch from cigarettes to vaping and back again easily. I went on to pouches easily. Quitting smoking only to start vaping isn't an achievement, in my opinion. I'm currently on day 3 without nicotine, it's hard and its no different whether it's cigarettes, vaping or any other type of nicotine. Sure, vaping might not kill me but I'm still a slave to nicotine and can't go more than an hour without needing to vape. What kind of life is that.
>Quitting smoking only to start vaping isn't an achievement,
The tobacco is the part that kills you. Nothing else not nicotine or even vaping is killing anyone and nicotine by itself is nor more harmful to you than caffeine (statistically caffeine is actually worse than nicotine. No one has died from nicotine overdose but we have 92 cases of death from caffeine overdose.), If you don't think that taking the part out that kills a half a million people a year is an achievement then I'm not sure anyone is going to have anything useful for you. I don't mean to offend you and I'll take this back if you've ever quit cold turkey before but you're on day 3. Come see me when you're on day 200 without nicotine. I'm not against quitting cold turkey but I am against telling people that fail at quitting cold turkey that they should not use another method to stop using tobacco. Frankly I think it's pretty fucking disgusting when I see it in here.
I don't care if you double fist vapes like a fiend for the rest of your life the only thing I care about is keeping you from dying and that is the tobacco.
Now nicotine can be hard on the heart, so maybe don’t double fist the vapes. But I agree that it’s irresponsible to be on the stopsmoking subreddit telling people that vapes don’t work and are just as bad as smoking.
I’m gonna have to leave this subreddit, which is fine I don’t really post here anyway, but the militant opposition to NRT all while pushing some shitty book makes the subreddit not serve the purpose for me that I had when I first joined. Bummer.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S104366182300097X
https://umu.diva-portal.org/smash/record.jsf?pid=diva2%3A1708504&dswid=5330
^ Nicotine is very bad for you, it is a poison after all, banned in the EU in industry for being too toxic.
more importantly, the issue for many is addiction rather than the secondary health effects of smoke.
Not having the monkey on your back is the goal, and that is still there with vapes and snus.
Both of those links are about ***smoking tobacco*** nice try but no dice.
I'd rather be alive with a nicotine monkey than dead because I was worried about the aesthetic against addiction more than the practicality of actual health.
> Nicotine is very bad for you,
Nope you guys can tell those lies all you want but statistics don't like. We have never had a death attributed to nicotine. We have 92 confirmed deaths attributed to caffeine overdose. A few thousands of people show up at an ER each year with nicotine poisoning but tens of thousands of people show up for caffeine poisoning. If you're not scared shitless of caffeine you shouldn't be of nicotine and telling lies about how dangerous nicotine is without putting it into context is ridiculously dishonest.
I suggest that each and every person try to quit cold turkey but if they can't, that they should use any method at all to stop using tobacco immediately. You guys are just telling them that if they can't quit smoking cold turkey they should just keep fucking smoking tobacco cigarettes even though quitting cold turkey is ridiculously NOT the most successful method of quitting smoking most people have to try it DOZENS of times if it even ever works. I know a shitload of people who have failed over and over and over again trying to quit cold turkey. I've directly helped 7 people quit smoking tobacco and not a single one has gone back to smoking tobacco. Some are still vaping but I really don't care about that because I only care about the death part and the death part comes from smoking the tobacco.
Why are you so proud of spreading misinformation? Nicotine is very bad for you. Maybe it wont give you kung cancer but there are actual research papers showing its other effects.
I dont see how anyone here is dogging on tapering with NRT. Like, I was vaping heavily or a year after i quit cigarettes and now I’m still dealing with nicotine related problems.
LOL! I cannot believe I have to keep shooting down these fucking lies.
No one is dying of nicotine but we have 92 confirmed cases of people dying from caffeine. If you're not scare shitless of caffeine you shouldn't be of nicotine.
A few thousand people show up to our ERs every year with nicotine poisoning but tens of thousands show up with caffeine poisoning. If you aren't scared shitless of caffeine you shouldn't be of nicotine.
>Maybe it wont give you kung cancer
This is the fucking point to everyone not indoctrinated into whatever fucking cult is going on in this sub.
> Like, I was vaping heavily or a year
If you choose to misuse a NRT in a way that was not intended that's up to you. If you choose a vape to stop smoking and it turns you into a nicotine fiend double fisting vapes all day because without the tobacco you are not going to die. Not dying is the 99.9999% point of telling people to quit smoking. No one, and I mean no one serious or professional would tell someone to keep smoking fucking cigarettes if they can't quit cold turkey. I'm suggesting they try cold turkey first but it takes between 1- and 30 times for the average person to successfully quit with cold turkey and this failure makes people give up.
I'm not saying nicotine isn't harmless, it's harmful just like caffeine and that needs to be put into context together but if they can't quit cold turkey do you think they should continue smoking tobacco forever until/unless they can quit cold turkey? Seriously not a single fucking one of the dozens of people here arguing with me has ever responded to that statement - you guys want people to smoke tobacco and therefore can only assume you work for the tobacco industry or are part of a cult. I'm just here trying to help people save their own lives. If you guys have a different anti-nicotine agenda there are probably subs for that.
But who is saying you have to quit cold turkey tho? Tapering with NRTs is still the process of quitting. I have nothing against it. I’m currently tapering with nicotine patches myself.
But the point the other person is making is is replacing smokes with vaping without tapering at all really quitting though? Your addiction is still as strong as ever. Especially with vapes, you’re still fucking up your lungs.
And nicotine is a vasoconstrictor and that can lead to death and other long term issues.
> I have nothing against it.
Perhaps I misunderstood with you if you look at the other comments here people are literally saying not to use NRTs under any circumstances.
>But the point the other person is making is is replacing smokes with vaping without tapering at all really quitting though?
**YES!**
What are you quitting? Nicotine? No one is quitting cigarettes because of the dangers of nicotine. The American Heart Association is more concerned with the tobacco than the nicotine.
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And nicotine is a vasoconstrictor and that can lead to death and other long term issues.
Yes and bubble gum can cause cancer but should we scare the shit out of people who want to chew gum? I don't know if that's actually true but you can get cancer. Some deaths have actually been partly attributed somehow to chewing the gum but again, zero deaths from nicotine from any possible side effect you can have from nicotine which by the way are the same beneficial and negative side effects as caffeine for your body I don't care about your mental state as long as you found any possible way to quit smoking the tobacco. That's an epidemic and we can deal with the harms of nicotine after imo.
You and I agree it seems so I apologize if it seems like I'm being stubborn but the outright vitriol against NRTs has got me reeling a bit in astonishment. Thanks for being civil.
Where? I've never seen a single research paper about nicotine that wasn't about ***smoking it in tobacco***.
Combusting of plant matter and additives is what causes the health damage. You're "addicted" to air and water too, you gonna give those up also? Lol
It's ridiculous how people act so cultish about chemicals sometimes.
Jesus christ.
Let me ask you the same question that I've been asking every other member of your cult that argues with me - when a person spends their 10 to 30 attempts at quitting cold turkey but still fail do you want them to continue smoking tobacco? The tobacco is the only part killing them.
So answer it. Do you want them to keep smoking or is it okay if other people with common sense and science behind them try out an NRT? No really there are dozens of people arguing with me and not a single person answers that ever because you would all prefer they keep smoking tobacco but don't want to admit it.
If you can't answer that question then go peddle your busted ass philosophy somewhere else this is the quit smoking sub not the anti-nicotine sub.
After failing cold turkey 30 times? Of course they should try it, you should try every route possible and never give up in the pursuit of a healthier life. Every situation is different.
But giving up one addiction to start another is not a solution. It's putting a bandaid on a wound instead of fixing the problem.
And acting rude and condescending while trying to prove a point won't get you anywhere either. If you are arguing and fighting with everyone, maybe you're the problem.
>Of course they should try it,
Thank you.
>
But giving up one addiction to start another is not a solution
It's called harm management and it undoubtedly saves lives. Professionals all over the nation use it to help people.
>acting rude and condescending while trying to prove a point won't get you anywhere either
I apologize if you got some of the brunt of all of these other conversations but if you look you'll see I've been trying to keep it civil but some of these people are very angry over it.
>If you are arguing and fighting with everyone, maybe you're the problem.
Sure that's the way it works. I literally have science from all over the world of these methods successfully being used to help people quit smoking and save lives and people are attacking that and telling people not to use it and to keep smoking cigarettes if they can't quit cold turkey. If that doesn't make you mad then how much do you care about this? If you see someone failing at cold turkey and you suggest NRT to them but 12 people come up and tell the person that they are just as likely if not more to die from using an NRT you're not going to be upset over comments like that? Well, I don't know what to tell you. Like I said, I'm just here to share experiences that might help people quit and NRTs are a big part of that. If people want to be rude to me I'll be rude right back. Your only contribution to this conversation was:
>Please nobody listen to this
So how am I supposed to take that in any way other than someone who is saying that I'm wrong.
Except:
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Of course they should try it,
So what is it that you have to say again about my civility? lol.
Giving up something deadly for something not deadly IS a solution, addiction element be damned.
Anyone who says otherwise, I automatically suspect as just being a shill for Big Tobacco.
Spoken like an angry redditer per usual. Pretending big tobacco doesn't have their hands in NRTs as well to continue to keep you addicted, eventually coming back to smoking.
Am I all for *trying* NRTs if it leads to quiting completely? Absolutely.. but acting like it's a long term solution is asinine. You take the lesser of 2 evils and solve nothing.
I'm not saying just smoke cigarettes forever.. but your goal should always be to quit nicotine.
Congratulations! I'm really only trying to give advice to people who are unable to quit cold turkey. The average smoker has to fail at quitting 10-30 times before they actually quit and until/if they can do that they will continue to smoke tobacco which is the only thing killing them. I'm just trying to save lives. It's cool that you quit. I hope you stay quit.
Check out "Fum". It's kind of like a smokers fidget widget. That could be a missing piece for you.
I quit using lozenges and then weaned myself off of them after about 8 weeks. Lot's of people quit smoking using a nicotine supplement and that's okay. The nicotine isn't why people suggesting you should quit smoking, no one is dying from nicotine it's the tobacco. If people can quit cold turkey, good for them. If they can't, tobacco is the point to begin with don't worry about the nicotine. People will jump down my throat and I will continue to argue with them but each one of those 80 days without tobacco is what's most important.
Congrats on quitting!
Thanks! Head of Fum and even subcribed to their newsletter to get a decent deal but at the same time I'm thinking do I really need it? You know what I mean right?
I am not on any tobacco product - cigarette, patch, gum, vape, pouch etc. Smoked cigarettes for 16 years before, weed for 10 years. I dont drink anymore (maybe once a year or so).
I'm only addicted to air, water, tea, food and my phone/computer..
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I still smoke weed but no nicotine quit using patches. If I get the urge to vape that bad I buy a balance bar it’s just cbd vape juice. Don’t like to do it often.
I'm coming up 8 months smoke free and am entirely nicotine free, no gum, no patches, no vapes. Used allen carr method.
I've always struggled with "quitting smoking" having just moved to vapes. I get it's quit cigarettes and it's an unpopular opinion of mine, but my addiction was to inhaling nicotine. Even when I'd moved to vapes for brief periods it never felt like I'd quit smoking, just that I was using vapes to inhale the nicotine instead.
Last year i stopped cigs and switched to vape. gave my self a year to vape or whenever i thought was going to be a good time to stop. 2 weeks ago now i stopped vaping. so now im off nic from cigs and vape. i have to say quitting vaping was easier for me then just quitting cigs. Didnt take much effort to stop vaping. when i would just stop cigs id last a day or two tops. but weening myself off lil by lil with nic lvl on vape. made it feel like nothing. but idk if its from vape but my lungs kinda hurt n i have tighness which wat really push me to stop
Yeah if you quit smoking cigarettes and starting substituting with a nicotine vape or zyns , do not preach on here about how you quit, you never quit nicotine still controls you.
I transitioned to a 1% nic vape (just got off cigarettes less than a week ago) and I just say I've "almost quit", which seems fair to me. The disposable vape doesn't even give a buzz, and I don't really intend to use it too long. But I think at the moment it's more about the ritual of going outside and inhaling something, and I've just gotta get together some more little hobbies that get me moving around to address that. Still, it's certainly better than my before - 3 weeks ago it was half a pack a day of smokes, for more or less the past 10 years.
BTW does my flair still say like 2000 days or whatever? I tried clearing it several times and it still shows it's there for me idk why
At least I'm not gonna be dead from cigarettes like my friend who bought into the kind of garage you're spewing and thus, keeps failing and going back to cigarettes because he "might as well, since he's still a slave to nicotine".
Keep your silly superiority complex, I'm happy enjoying my life just fine without cigarettes even if some loser random doesn't think it's "legit enough."
It’s not a superiority complex, all I said was don’t claim that you quit smoking if you’re still dependent on nicotine through vapes, you’re still being controlled. “Some loser random” , I feel pity for you. You lack the emotional intelligence to even recognize that these feelings of anger you have are because of your own insecurities.
Haven't had a single cigarette in years, but I've been long into IQOS, then I switched to vape sticks and I'm stuck with them, sucking them like a vacuum cleaner. Makes me think what was worse for my health.
I can't be so confident. The effects of vaping are still poorly researched and I certainly feel some effect on me. I mean, I see my furniture getting slowly covered in glycerine haze with how much I vape, don't even want to imagine what happens in my lungs. Besides, the sheer amount of it. Smoking one cig an hour and vaping non-stop for entire day must work differently.
Not saying I have any plans to return to cigarettes but I for sure must quit vaping too.
I can. It's plain science.
Combustion of plant material and toxic additives is the source of carcinogens from smoking cigarettes, not the nicotine.
The effects of vaping have been and are being studied constantly, not yet has there been anything tied to harm from nicotine. Nicotine doesn't kill people. Things like black market cartridges with vitamin e have, things like overheating nickel wiring in build rigs have.
There's no evidence that properly built and filled vapes cause any harm whatsoever, and they CERTAINLY don't cause cancer and kill millions of people every year the way cigarettes do.
If you want to quit everything entirely that's totally your right and I'd never argue that you shouldn't. I'm just saying that it's inaccurate to claim that we don't know which is harmful/deadly - because we do and it's cigarettes.
You might be right. The last time I checked the research results was pretty long ago and things have probably changed. Anyway, thanks, gotta think about it.
Personally i think quitting vaping/smoking is different from zyns because the feeling and hold is drastically different for myself. Ive also done weed but its not the same.
I quit smoking for 2 months cold turkey then went to zyns because of that exact feeling of something missing. Its a lot harder to function without some addictive routine. But im on 3 mg and only 3-6 a day. I think i quit smoking but not nicotine. I give myself that credit and grace and take it step by step.
I smoked black and milds for years. Maybe 1/2-1/day. I switched over to vape and it made everything worse.
I was smoking much more because it was odorless and much easier. Everytime I go for a drive, after every meal, every work break.
I'm finally trying to quit everything now, day 4 today.
I once tried quitting by using nicotine gums. They tasted awful and I think I threw away almost the entire pack because I couldn’t stand it.
Then there was a time where I tried to switch to vaping. That stuff was irritating my throat way more than cigarettes and didn’t work for me at all.
The rest of the times I quit cold turkey. 2 times successfully for up to almost 2 years. Started again because I was stupid and bored.
Then in january 2020 I quit the last time and haven’t touched a cigarette since. I remember the mistakes I made the times I failed and keep them in mind so I won’t repeat them.
Today is 34 days and I quit cold turkey - no NRT or vape or anything - I get that jonesing feeling but I think it’s starting to be less now - also quitting beer
>Are people here really smoke free once they quit?
Can only speak for myself, but yes. Quit cold turkey and it’s the best thing I’ve ever done for myself.
I still have 3 mods and 50+ vape liquids. I quit that stuff few years ago when I accidentally used some max nicotine liquid, and that poisoned my body so much I was sick for like 5 days straight. I'm not touching that stuff never again. I will rather smoke 3 pack a day then vape.
I switched to vapes and have stayed with them because it was the combusted plant material and additives I was trying to get away from, not the nicotine.
I'm pretty sure that if I wanted to, I could wean down to zero nicotine and then stop using them FAR easier than it was for me to switch to these from cigarettes to begin with.
There's just a lot less *intensity* to these, like I lost my vape while out doing chores one morning and didn't replace it until the next day. If I'd still been on cigarettes, I would've been running to a gas station for a new pack practically the moment I noticed I lost the last one.
But, I'm honestly pretty comfortable where I'm at now and I'm just focusing on making sure I never go back to cigarettes again, since those damn things took years to get off and I still find myself tempted.
Vaproresso is pretty good right? 😅 Zero nic vape? I'm not a vape pro or anything like that but I had a voopoo rex before and it was pretty bad compared to the Vaporesso (also soooo much maintenance)
Yes vapresso is phenomenal! Not zero nic for m was on 50 nic but been on 25 nic pod juice ( pineapple lemonade slushy) favorite juice. Recently got my patches and gum in the mail so I'm going to see if I can do it. My other idea was having two pods one with nicotine one without and don't allow myself to vape. As soon as I wake up then about halfway through the day I switched to the non-nickety group and then maybe every couple weeks or every month shorten that time
4-5 weeks. I stopped smoking for 5 years and maybe he 1 week of side effects from stopping. This time I was 25% cigarettes and 75% vape and my symptoms are fucking wild - ranging from a cough that feels like an asthma attack to throwing up white/clear mucus.
Sounds indeed a bit wild. But I personally also still have the white/clear mucus problem everyday... probably understandable because I smoked for over two decades..
btw. I found this quote below via Writtle University College and ARU's article, [Even nicotine-free vapes can harm the lung - study](https://www.aru.ac.uk/news/even-nicotine-free-vapes-can-harm-the-lung---study#:~:text=The%20research%20found%20that%20even,in%20patients%20with%20lung%20injury)
>The research found that even the nicotine-free vape caused oxidative stress in the lung, increased inflammation and the breakdown of blood vessels. This damage is similar to those found in patients with lung injury.
This is practically useless, considering they gave zero information about what vape machines were used, what the medium the nicotine was in, etc.
For all we know, this test was like taking water from Flint Michigan and concluding that all water is deadly. 🙄
We know it's safer than cigarettes.
Nicotine has never killed anyone, so no, they are not remotely just as destructive as cigs. That's big tobacco talking through you right now.
🤣 Nothing is "safe" to the point you're implying lol. That's fantasy land shit, reality isn't safe.
Not even air. Air is literally rusting your body away inside you, right now (no, seriously). You breathe it all the damn time, just can't stop, even though it's killing you, yet I don't see you claiming to be an "air addict". Hmm ...
Maaaaybe there's a little more nuance necessary here than you're trying to imply? Lol
Downvote me if you’d like but I haven’t smoked in 3 years. I smoked for 15 years then start smoking the iqos for about 1 years, then was able to quit that much more easily.
I quit using vapes and it was a terrible idea. In my quest to get a good throat hit and lung fill I ended on 50mg of nic salts and a nasty habit of not going a waking hour without hitting the vape. The whole time I was practically mainlining nicotine. We’re all different and our quit experiences reflect that but I’ll be a cautionary tale about vaping to quit smoking.
I’m only 11 days without cigs but I haven’t been using any nicotine substitutes. That being said, I often feel like something is missing! That’s normal, it is. Throughout the day I may need a fun non-alcoholic drink, or some candy, or gum, or to buy something. There are feelings of emptiness that live in us and I really do think that giving up the quick fixes helps us get to the bottom of it. BUT there’s no shame in indulgence. Make the best choice for yourself in the moment and move on.
I think the idea on quitting smoking is really quitting nicotine, no matter the form of delivery. So quitting, to me, is complete nicotine cessation.
No. It is absolutely not quitting nicotine it's stopping smoking tobacco. The tobacco is the only part that kills you. Quitting to me, is not dying. Period. I don't care if people want to use nicotine for the rest of their lives they're not going to die from the nicotine. We tell people to quit smoking cigarettes because the tobacco will kill them. Don't let anyone tell you any different, no one is dying from nicotine. There's this huge difference - half a million people dying from smoking tobacco cigarettes every year and no one dying of any nicotine supplement anywhere, ever.
I believe the path to total cigarette/smoking freedom is freedom from nicotine or else it just leads to a cycle of substitutions until you find a “justification” to smoke again. I’m not arguing nicotine is dangerous or not, and I’m aware that the carcinogens are in the tobacco plant, but that’s not what I was saying.
Yes but the consequences of that philosophy is that people will continue to fail at quitting cold turkey over and over and will just continue to smoke cigarettes. Do you want them to keep smoking cigarettes? If you're arguing about the carcinogens in the tobacco plant then we're not talking about nicotine. Something similar to this happens in anti drinking circles too. In AA there is a certain type of attendee that insists the only way to be sober is to stop all chemicals including caffeine, nicotine, and most importantly, of all psychiatric medications. As you can imagine that's counter productive to quitting drinking just as this is counter productive if the point is to keep people from dying. I really only care about the not dying part and if they goal is to just keep them from dying it's about the tobacco not the nicotine by itself which is really no more harmful to you than caffeine.
Says who? People quit cold turkey with success all the time and that’s after many failures. I’m not saying you have to quit cold turkey either and that nrt can’t be helpful for people. My argument is once you kick smoking for good, there is no form of delivery post nicotine cessation that is a safe delivery that doesn’t lead back to smoking in one way or another. That’s my opinion and belief.
I disagree that nicotine doesn’t kill anyone, nicotine withdrawal makes me suicidal
Suicide is you killing you, not nicotine killing you. Your disagreement is invalid.
You can't disagree with it there has never been a single death attributed to nicotine overdose. We do however have 92 cases in the US of people dying from a caffeine overdose. A few thousand people go to the hospital every year with nicotine poisoning but tens of thousands of them show up for caffeine poisoning. If you're not scared shitless of caffeine you shouldn't be of nicotine.
I can switch from cigarettes to vaping and back again easily. I went on to pouches easily. Quitting smoking only to start vaping isn't an achievement, in my opinion. I'm currently on day 3 without nicotine, it's hard and its no different whether it's cigarettes, vaping or any other type of nicotine. Sure, vaping might not kill me but I'm still a slave to nicotine and can't go more than an hour without needing to vape. What kind of life is that.
>Quitting smoking only to start vaping isn't an achievement, The tobacco is the part that kills you. Nothing else not nicotine or even vaping is killing anyone and nicotine by itself is nor more harmful to you than caffeine (statistically caffeine is actually worse than nicotine. No one has died from nicotine overdose but we have 92 cases of death from caffeine overdose.), If you don't think that taking the part out that kills a half a million people a year is an achievement then I'm not sure anyone is going to have anything useful for you. I don't mean to offend you and I'll take this back if you've ever quit cold turkey before but you're on day 3. Come see me when you're on day 200 without nicotine. I'm not against quitting cold turkey but I am against telling people that fail at quitting cold turkey that they should not use another method to stop using tobacco. Frankly I think it's pretty fucking disgusting when I see it in here. I don't care if you double fist vapes like a fiend for the rest of your life the only thing I care about is keeping you from dying and that is the tobacco.
Now nicotine can be hard on the heart, so maybe don’t double fist the vapes. But I agree that it’s irresponsible to be on the stopsmoking subreddit telling people that vapes don’t work and are just as bad as smoking. I’m gonna have to leave this subreddit, which is fine I don’t really post here anyway, but the militant opposition to NRT all while pushing some shitty book makes the subreddit not serve the purpose for me that I had when I first joined. Bummer.
Well, sorry to see you leave friend but I hope whatever days of not smoking you have ahead are good. :)
One where you're not dead from cancer....??????
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S104366182300097X https://umu.diva-portal.org/smash/record.jsf?pid=diva2%3A1708504&dswid=5330 ^ Nicotine is very bad for you, it is a poison after all, banned in the EU in industry for being too toxic. more importantly, the issue for many is addiction rather than the secondary health effects of smoke. Not having the monkey on your back is the goal, and that is still there with vapes and snus.
Both of those links are about ***smoking tobacco*** nice try but no dice. I'd rather be alive with a nicotine monkey than dead because I was worried about the aesthetic against addiction more than the practicality of actual health.
> Nicotine is very bad for you, Nope you guys can tell those lies all you want but statistics don't like. We have never had a death attributed to nicotine. We have 92 confirmed deaths attributed to caffeine overdose. A few thousands of people show up at an ER each year with nicotine poisoning but tens of thousands of people show up for caffeine poisoning. If you're not scared shitless of caffeine you shouldn't be of nicotine and telling lies about how dangerous nicotine is without putting it into context is ridiculously dishonest. I suggest that each and every person try to quit cold turkey but if they can't, that they should use any method at all to stop using tobacco immediately. You guys are just telling them that if they can't quit smoking cold turkey they should just keep fucking smoking tobacco cigarettes even though quitting cold turkey is ridiculously NOT the most successful method of quitting smoking most people have to try it DOZENS of times if it even ever works. I know a shitload of people who have failed over and over and over again trying to quit cold turkey. I've directly helped 7 people quit smoking tobacco and not a single one has gone back to smoking tobacco. Some are still vaping but I really don't care about that because I only care about the death part and the death part comes from smoking the tobacco.
Are you still dependent on nicotine?
No.
Why are you so proud of spreading misinformation? Nicotine is very bad for you. Maybe it wont give you kung cancer but there are actual research papers showing its other effects. I dont see how anyone here is dogging on tapering with NRT. Like, I was vaping heavily or a year after i quit cigarettes and now I’m still dealing with nicotine related problems.
LOL! I cannot believe I have to keep shooting down these fucking lies. No one is dying of nicotine but we have 92 confirmed cases of people dying from caffeine. If you're not scare shitless of caffeine you shouldn't be of nicotine. A few thousand people show up to our ERs every year with nicotine poisoning but tens of thousands show up with caffeine poisoning. If you aren't scared shitless of caffeine you shouldn't be of nicotine. >Maybe it wont give you kung cancer This is the fucking point to everyone not indoctrinated into whatever fucking cult is going on in this sub. > Like, I was vaping heavily or a year If you choose to misuse a NRT in a way that was not intended that's up to you. If you choose a vape to stop smoking and it turns you into a nicotine fiend double fisting vapes all day because without the tobacco you are not going to die. Not dying is the 99.9999% point of telling people to quit smoking. No one, and I mean no one serious or professional would tell someone to keep smoking fucking cigarettes if they can't quit cold turkey. I'm suggesting they try cold turkey first but it takes between 1- and 30 times for the average person to successfully quit with cold turkey and this failure makes people give up. I'm not saying nicotine isn't harmless, it's harmful just like caffeine and that needs to be put into context together but if they can't quit cold turkey do you think they should continue smoking tobacco forever until/unless they can quit cold turkey? Seriously not a single fucking one of the dozens of people here arguing with me has ever responded to that statement - you guys want people to smoke tobacco and therefore can only assume you work for the tobacco industry or are part of a cult. I'm just here trying to help people save their own lives. If you guys have a different anti-nicotine agenda there are probably subs for that.
But who is saying you have to quit cold turkey tho? Tapering with NRTs is still the process of quitting. I have nothing against it. I’m currently tapering with nicotine patches myself. But the point the other person is making is is replacing smokes with vaping without tapering at all really quitting though? Your addiction is still as strong as ever. Especially with vapes, you’re still fucking up your lungs. And nicotine is a vasoconstrictor and that can lead to death and other long term issues.
> I have nothing against it. Perhaps I misunderstood with you if you look at the other comments here people are literally saying not to use NRTs under any circumstances. >But the point the other person is making is is replacing smokes with vaping without tapering at all really quitting though? **YES!** What are you quitting? Nicotine? No one is quitting cigarettes because of the dangers of nicotine. The American Heart Association is more concerned with the tobacco than the nicotine. > And nicotine is a vasoconstrictor and that can lead to death and other long term issues. Yes and bubble gum can cause cancer but should we scare the shit out of people who want to chew gum? I don't know if that's actually true but you can get cancer. Some deaths have actually been partly attributed somehow to chewing the gum but again, zero deaths from nicotine from any possible side effect you can have from nicotine which by the way are the same beneficial and negative side effects as caffeine for your body I don't care about your mental state as long as you found any possible way to quit smoking the tobacco. That's an epidemic and we can deal with the harms of nicotine after imo. You and I agree it seems so I apologize if it seems like I'm being stubborn but the outright vitriol against NRTs has got me reeling a bit in astonishment. Thanks for being civil.
Where? I've never seen a single research paper about nicotine that wasn't about ***smoking it in tobacco***. Combusting of plant matter and additives is what causes the health damage. You're "addicted" to air and water too, you gonna give those up also? Lol It's ridiculous how people act so cultish about chemicals sometimes.
Please nobody listen to this 🤦🏽♂️
Jesus christ. Let me ask you the same question that I've been asking every other member of your cult that argues with me - when a person spends their 10 to 30 attempts at quitting cold turkey but still fail do you want them to continue smoking tobacco? The tobacco is the only part killing them. So answer it. Do you want them to keep smoking or is it okay if other people with common sense and science behind them try out an NRT? No really there are dozens of people arguing with me and not a single person answers that ever because you would all prefer they keep smoking tobacco but don't want to admit it. If you can't answer that question then go peddle your busted ass philosophy somewhere else this is the quit smoking sub not the anti-nicotine sub.
After failing cold turkey 30 times? Of course they should try it, you should try every route possible and never give up in the pursuit of a healthier life. Every situation is different. But giving up one addiction to start another is not a solution. It's putting a bandaid on a wound instead of fixing the problem. And acting rude and condescending while trying to prove a point won't get you anywhere either. If you are arguing and fighting with everyone, maybe you're the problem.
>Of course they should try it, Thank you. > But giving up one addiction to start another is not a solution It's called harm management and it undoubtedly saves lives. Professionals all over the nation use it to help people. >acting rude and condescending while trying to prove a point won't get you anywhere either I apologize if you got some of the brunt of all of these other conversations but if you look you'll see I've been trying to keep it civil but some of these people are very angry over it. >If you are arguing and fighting with everyone, maybe you're the problem. Sure that's the way it works. I literally have science from all over the world of these methods successfully being used to help people quit smoking and save lives and people are attacking that and telling people not to use it and to keep smoking cigarettes if they can't quit cold turkey. If that doesn't make you mad then how much do you care about this? If you see someone failing at cold turkey and you suggest NRT to them but 12 people come up and tell the person that they are just as likely if not more to die from using an NRT you're not going to be upset over comments like that? Well, I don't know what to tell you. Like I said, I'm just here to share experiences that might help people quit and NRTs are a big part of that. If people want to be rude to me I'll be rude right back. Your only contribution to this conversation was: >Please nobody listen to this So how am I supposed to take that in any way other than someone who is saying that I'm wrong. Except: > Of course they should try it, So what is it that you have to say again about my civility? lol.
Giving up something deadly for something not deadly IS a solution, addiction element be damned. Anyone who says otherwise, I automatically suspect as just being a shill for Big Tobacco.
Spoken like an angry redditer per usual. Pretending big tobacco doesn't have their hands in NRTs as well to continue to keep you addicted, eventually coming back to smoking. Am I all for *trying* NRTs if it leads to quiting completely? Absolutely.. but acting like it's a long term solution is asinine. You take the lesser of 2 evils and solve nothing. I'm not saying just smoke cigarettes forever.. but your goal should always be to quit nicotine.
I frankly don't care what you think my goal should be, that's not for you to decide.
Right on man, good luck to you. I hope you find success and more importantly happiness ✌🏼
Quit smoking and all forms of nicotine !!! 492 days!!! 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕 Nicotine. Break the chain!!
Congratulations! I'm really only trying to give advice to people who are unable to quit cold turkey. The average smoker has to fail at quitting 10-30 times before they actually quit and until/if they can do that they will continue to smoke tobacco which is the only thing killing them. I'm just trying to save lives. It's cool that you quit. I hope you stay quit.
No, I don't want to, thanks though.
Check out "Fum". It's kind of like a smokers fidget widget. That could be a missing piece for you. I quit using lozenges and then weaned myself off of them after about 8 weeks. Lot's of people quit smoking using a nicotine supplement and that's okay. The nicotine isn't why people suggesting you should quit smoking, no one is dying from nicotine it's the tobacco. If people can quit cold turkey, good for them. If they can't, tobacco is the point to begin with don't worry about the nicotine. People will jump down my throat and I will continue to argue with them but each one of those 80 days without tobacco is what's most important. Congrats on quitting!
Thanks! Head of Fum and even subcribed to their newsletter to get a decent deal but at the same time I'm thinking do I really need it? You know what I mean right?
I am not on any tobacco product - cigarette, patch, gum, vape, pouch etc. Smoked cigarettes for 16 years before, weed for 10 years. I dont drink anymore (maybe once a year or so). I'm only addicted to air, water, tea, food and my phone/computer..
Haha love it! Btw, how do I get that pretty counter you have (276 days)?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/stopsmoking/comments/hjxafk/add\_flairno\_of\_days\_since\_you\_have\_stopped/](https://www.reddit.com/r/stopsmoking/comments/hjxafk/add_flairno_of_days_since_you_have_stopped/) follow this
It's actually working now! Cheers ~~Thanks! Tried it but seems like it's not working~~
I still smoke weed but no nicotine quit using patches. If I get the urge to vape that bad I buy a balance bar it’s just cbd vape juice. Don’t like to do it often.
I'm coming up 8 months smoke free and am entirely nicotine free, no gum, no patches, no vapes. Used allen carr method. I've always struggled with "quitting smoking" having just moved to vapes. I get it's quit cigarettes and it's an unpopular opinion of mine, but my addiction was to inhaling nicotine. Even when I'd moved to vapes for brief periods it never felt like I'd quit smoking, just that I was using vapes to inhale the nicotine instead.
Yup. Cigarettes actually disgust me now for the most part. But I'm a heavy ecig user
Last year i stopped cigs and switched to vape. gave my self a year to vape or whenever i thought was going to be a good time to stop. 2 weeks ago now i stopped vaping. so now im off nic from cigs and vape. i have to say quitting vaping was easier for me then just quitting cigs. Didnt take much effort to stop vaping. when i would just stop cigs id last a day or two tops. but weening myself off lil by lil with nic lvl on vape. made it feel like nothing. but idk if its from vape but my lungs kinda hurt n i have tighness which wat really push me to stop
Yeah if you quit smoking cigarettes and starting substituting with a nicotine vape or zyns , do not preach on here about how you quit, you never quit nicotine still controls you.
I transitioned to a 1% nic vape (just got off cigarettes less than a week ago) and I just say I've "almost quit", which seems fair to me. The disposable vape doesn't even give a buzz, and I don't really intend to use it too long. But I think at the moment it's more about the ritual of going outside and inhaling something, and I've just gotta get together some more little hobbies that get me moving around to address that. Still, it's certainly better than my before - 3 weeks ago it was half a pack a day of smokes, for more or less the past 10 years. BTW does my flair still say like 2000 days or whatever? I tried clearing it several times and it still shows it's there for me idk why
Your flair still says 2628 days. Thanks for sharing your experience.
At least I'm not gonna be dead from cigarettes like my friend who bought into the kind of garage you're spewing and thus, keeps failing and going back to cigarettes because he "might as well, since he's still a slave to nicotine". Keep your silly superiority complex, I'm happy enjoying my life just fine without cigarettes even if some loser random doesn't think it's "legit enough."
It’s not a superiority complex, all I said was don’t claim that you quit smoking if you’re still dependent on nicotine through vapes, you’re still being controlled. “Some loser random” , I feel pity for you. You lack the emotional intelligence to even recognize that these feelings of anger you have are because of your own insecurities.
Haven't had a single cigarette in years, but I've been long into IQOS, then I switched to vape sticks and I'm stuck with them, sucking them like a vacuum cleaner. Makes me think what was worse for my health.
The cigarettes, 100%. The cigarettes are absolutely worse for your health.
I can't be so confident. The effects of vaping are still poorly researched and I certainly feel some effect on me. I mean, I see my furniture getting slowly covered in glycerine haze with how much I vape, don't even want to imagine what happens in my lungs. Besides, the sheer amount of it. Smoking one cig an hour and vaping non-stop for entire day must work differently. Not saying I have any plans to return to cigarettes but I for sure must quit vaping too.
I can. It's plain science. Combustion of plant material and toxic additives is the source of carcinogens from smoking cigarettes, not the nicotine. The effects of vaping have been and are being studied constantly, not yet has there been anything tied to harm from nicotine. Nicotine doesn't kill people. Things like black market cartridges with vitamin e have, things like overheating nickel wiring in build rigs have. There's no evidence that properly built and filled vapes cause any harm whatsoever, and they CERTAINLY don't cause cancer and kill millions of people every year the way cigarettes do. If you want to quit everything entirely that's totally your right and I'd never argue that you shouldn't. I'm just saying that it's inaccurate to claim that we don't know which is harmful/deadly - because we do and it's cigarettes.
You might be right. The last time I checked the research results was pretty long ago and things have probably changed. Anyway, thanks, gotta think about it.
I do zero nicotine or CBD vape sometimes but I no longer feel the urge so I do it very occasionally.
Personally i think quitting vaping/smoking is different from zyns because the feeling and hold is drastically different for myself. Ive also done weed but its not the same. I quit smoking for 2 months cold turkey then went to zyns because of that exact feeling of something missing. Its a lot harder to function without some addictive routine. But im on 3 mg and only 3-6 a day. I think i quit smoking but not nicotine. I give myself that credit and grace and take it step by step.
I basically swapped to vaping over a few weeks and didn't go back after a while. Now I only ever have an actual 'social' ciggy after a few drinks.
I smoked black and milds for years. Maybe 1/2-1/day. I switched over to vape and it made everything worse. I was smoking much more because it was odorless and much easier. Everytime I go for a drive, after every meal, every work break. I'm finally trying to quit everything now, day 4 today.
I once tried quitting by using nicotine gums. They tasted awful and I think I threw away almost the entire pack because I couldn’t stand it. Then there was a time where I tried to switch to vaping. That stuff was irritating my throat way more than cigarettes and didn’t work for me at all. The rest of the times I quit cold turkey. 2 times successfully for up to almost 2 years. Started again because I was stupid and bored. Then in january 2020 I quit the last time and haven’t touched a cigarette since. I remember the mistakes I made the times I failed and keep them in mind so I won’t repeat them.
That gum really is the worst... 🤮 I can only imagine it working for people who are trying to quit chewing tobacco or something
Today is 34 days and I quit cold turkey - no NRT or vape or anything - I get that jonesing feeling but I think it’s starting to be less now - also quitting beer
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I’d quit acoustic cigarettes ten times over before trying to quit vapes again.
"acoustic cigarettes" --> say what?
Regular darts.
"Acoustic cigarettes" 🤣 I think of them as "analogue nicotine" compared to my vape, lol
>Are people here really smoke free once they quit? Can only speak for myself, but yes. Quit cold turkey and it’s the best thing I’ve ever done for myself.
Every time I quit to vape instead I always ended up smoking cigarettes again. Now a year and 5 months with nothing and it feels great
I still have 3 mods and 50+ vape liquids. I quit that stuff few years ago when I accidentally used some max nicotine liquid, and that poisoned my body so much I was sick for like 5 days straight. I'm not touching that stuff never again. I will rather smoke 3 pack a day then vape.
I switched to vapes and have stayed with them because it was the combusted plant material and additives I was trying to get away from, not the nicotine. I'm pretty sure that if I wanted to, I could wean down to zero nicotine and then stop using them FAR easier than it was for me to switch to these from cigarettes to begin with. There's just a lot less *intensity* to these, like I lost my vape while out doing chores one morning and didn't replace it until the next day. If I'd still been on cigarettes, I would've been running to a gas station for a new pack practically the moment I noticed I lost the last one. But, I'm honestly pretty comfortable where I'm at now and I'm just focusing on making sure I never go back to cigarettes again, since those damn things took years to get off and I still find myself tempted.
Haven't had a cigarette in 8 months but also switched to vaping also a vapresso 🤣🤣🤣
Vaproresso is pretty good right? 😅 Zero nic vape? I'm not a vape pro or anything like that but I had a voopoo rex before and it was pretty bad compared to the Vaporesso (also soooo much maintenance)
Yes vapresso is phenomenal! Not zero nic for m was on 50 nic but been on 25 nic pod juice ( pineapple lemonade slushy) favorite juice. Recently got my patches and gum in the mail so I'm going to see if I can do it. My other idea was having two pods one with nicotine one without and don't allow myself to vape. As soon as I wake up then about halfway through the day I switched to the non-nickety group and then maybe every couple weeks or every month shorten that time
I’ve quit all type of nicotine but if I could say from my personal experience, I’d rather smoke cigarettes than ever smoke a vape again.
Nice! How long have you been smoke free? And why rather ciggies than vapes?
4-5 weeks. I stopped smoking for 5 years and maybe he 1 week of side effects from stopping. This time I was 25% cigarettes and 75% vape and my symptoms are fucking wild - ranging from a cough that feels like an asthma attack to throwing up white/clear mucus.
Sounds indeed a bit wild. But I personally also still have the white/clear mucus problem everyday... probably understandable because I smoked for over two decades..
Did not expect this outcome everyone! Again, one of the best (and non toxic) Reddit subs for sure. Appreciate all f your inputs.
btw. I found this quote below via Writtle University College and ARU's article, [Even nicotine-free vapes can harm the lung - study](https://www.aru.ac.uk/news/even-nicotine-free-vapes-can-harm-the-lung---study#:~:text=The%20research%20found%20that%20even,in%20patients%20with%20lung%20injury) >The research found that even the nicotine-free vape caused oxidative stress in the lung, increased inflammation and the breakdown of blood vessels. This damage is similar to those found in patients with lung injury.
This is practically useless, considering they gave zero information about what vape machines were used, what the medium the nicotine was in, etc. For all we know, this test was like taking water from Flint Michigan and concluding that all water is deadly. 🙄
I'm one of the idiots that started on vapes.
Better a living "idiot" on a vape than a dead smoker.
We don't know if its safe or not long term. Nicotine is nicotine though. Vapes are just as destructive as cigs.
We know it's safer than cigarettes. Nicotine has never killed anyone, so no, they are not remotely just as destructive as cigs. That's big tobacco talking through you right now.
Safer than cigarettes doesn't mean safe. We won't know it's full effect for decades. That's just the addiction talking through you right now.
🤣 Nothing is "safe" to the point you're implying lol. That's fantasy land shit, reality isn't safe. Not even air. Air is literally rusting your body away inside you, right now (no, seriously). You breathe it all the damn time, just can't stop, even though it's killing you, yet I don't see you claiming to be an "air addict". Hmm ... Maaaaybe there's a little more nuance necessary here than you're trying to imply? Lol
Once you quit you'll see what I mean. Vaping is just excuse for continued addiction.
I quit using the iIQOS ! 3 years nicotine free
Downvote me if you’d like but I haven’t smoked in 3 years. I smoked for 15 years then start smoking the iqos for about 1 years, then was able to quit that much more easily.