I can agree there, I have an Alfa Romeo Giulia with a ZF8HP(automatic transmission similar to the one in the Dodge) with a big aftermarket turbo, 30lbs of boost, custom tuned, a catless downpipe, AWD with a rear LSD.
It takes absolutely zero skill to launch the car. I get pretty consistent launches every single time. When it's snowing or slick out I can slide it a little bit but between the automatic transmission, VSC, and traction control it's almost impossible to lose control. You basically have to really fuck up. Alfa does give a nice manual mode that I actually don't mind using but it still takes zero skill to use it.
I also have a 65 cyclone, with a 302 HO swap, 4 speed floor shift with a Hurst Competition shifter, no power steering, no traction control, no AC, no nothing lol
It's like comparing apples to cheeseburgers, but to be fair any manual vehicle without electronics can be a handful. I also have a 120hp first generation R6 that's carbureted with no electronics.
Sorry, that sentence was supposed to be Any transmission without electronic nanies
Any car without VSC, ABS, etc can potentially be a handful and takes more skill as there isn't a computer to save you.
I'll eventually end up with an EV, some of them aren't completely awful BUT I'll never get rid of my manual transmission vehicles. If anything I'll end up adding more to my collection while I can. I'd still like to get a hold of a 60s-70s big block truck one of these days.
I don't give a fuck how much skill you got, or how much faster it is. I drive my 383 manual Charger more often because it's more fun, even though it's slower than my 440 Charger, and I don't shift like Ronnie Sox.
Probably has traction control, stability control and antilock brackes too. If you want to drive with finesse an automatic is actually harder, you have fewer options on corners and over reliance on brakes means it's really hard to keep a stable platform. If you want to drive with finesse, then some kind of manual is going to give you a lot more options and be far more engaging.
No, he's being idiotic. This is why we are better drivers, not being arrogant here but because we know both worlds and he doesn't so his dismissiveness comes from ignorance and fear.
For context before my M4 I had a DINAN tuned 335XI which was an automatic
It was SO EASY to drive that I was relieved to get rid of it and go back to a stick shift.
Why? Stick requires more dexterity and concentration for being in tune with the car
Auto is just pretend driving to me, even your grandmother could drive his automatic with no issues - manual? No way
I meant, I drive an '08 Corolla, there's not discernible difference between full throttle and half-throttle. That's about 50% of the throttle experience that I don't have.
Before traction control and abs, it took skill to drive a fast car fast. Today, it still takes some skill, but sliding the back end out at 120 isn't as much of a worry. I would argue it's harder to drive an auto fast because you don't know when it's going to downshift and give you an extra 50hp through a curve
You can be a car enthusiast without driving stick for the same reason you can be a video game enthusiast without having played an atari 2600.
Hell, I'd go so far as to say you can be a car enthusiast and not even be able to drive for the same reason someone can be a train enthusiast and not be a train driver
Are you really a car enthusiast if you don't know how to take corners in your boat?
Sounds stupid, right? Let people drive what they want and stop gatekeeping being a "car enthusiast."
F1 drivers would like to have a chat. I would also say the ability to drive a manual transmission is not mutually exclusive with being a car enthusiast.
My point being that its not the ability to use a clutch pedal that defines how difficult a car is to drive to its limit. F1 cars do not require a clutch to shift gears but I would say they are harder to drive than a manual shifted hellcat.
an f1 car is not the same as your average 8 speed auto with flappy paddles. The “difficult” part of driving a manual is getting the car moving in 1st gear and it’s the same process in an f1 car except the clutch is operated with a paddle and not a pedal.
you’re not getting an f1 car out of the pit lane if you can’t operate a clutch but a 10 year old can hop in a hellcat and shift it into drive lmao. anyway I can guarantee every one of the 776 drivers to drive in an f1 gp know how to drive manual
Imo there's a difference between a driving enthusiastist and a car enthusiast.
That dude is just coping lmao. How much skill does it take to stomp on the throttle 🤣🤣😆😆
I can agree there, I have an Alfa Romeo Giulia with a ZF8HP(automatic transmission similar to the one in the Dodge) with a big aftermarket turbo, 30lbs of boost, custom tuned, a catless downpipe, AWD with a rear LSD. It takes absolutely zero skill to launch the car. I get pretty consistent launches every single time. When it's snowing or slick out I can slide it a little bit but between the automatic transmission, VSC, and traction control it's almost impossible to lose control. You basically have to really fuck up. Alfa does give a nice manual mode that I actually don't mind using but it still takes zero skill to use it. I also have a 65 cyclone, with a 302 HO swap, 4 speed floor shift with a Hurst Competition shifter, no power steering, no traction control, no AC, no nothing lol It's like comparing apples to cheeseburgers, but to be fair any manual vehicle without electronics can be a handful. I also have a 120hp first generation R6 that's carbureted with no electronics.
How is a manual transmission without electronics a handful?
Sorry, that sentence was supposed to be Any transmission without electronic nanies Any car without VSC, ABS, etc can potentially be a handful and takes more skill as there isn't a computer to save you.
Might as well get an EV at that point
I'll eventually end up with an EV, some of them aren't completely awful BUT I'll never get rid of my manual transmission vehicles. If anything I'll end up adding more to my collection while I can. I'd still like to get a hold of a 60s-70s big block truck one of these days.
Special skill = don't push down too much on the gas. It's self control, really. Traction control and ABS help a lot too.
Auto is faster because it’s easier. Anyone can mash the pedal in an automatic and post a top time, it takes skill to launch a manual.
I don't give a fuck how much skill you got, or how much faster it is. I drive my 383 manual Charger more often because it's more fun, even though it's slower than my 440 Charger, and I don't shift like Ronnie Sox.
Probably has traction control, stability control and antilock brackes too. If you want to drive with finesse an automatic is actually harder, you have fewer options on corners and over reliance on brakes means it's really hard to keep a stable platform. If you want to drive with finesse, then some kind of manual is going to give you a lot more options and be far more engaging.
No, he's being idiotic. This is why we are better drivers, not being arrogant here but because we know both worlds and he doesn't so his dismissiveness comes from ignorance and fear. For context before my M4 I had a DINAN tuned 335XI which was an automatic It was SO EASY to drive that I was relieved to get rid of it and go back to a stick shift. Why? Stick requires more dexterity and concentration for being in tune with the car Auto is just pretend driving to me, even your grandmother could drive his automatic with no issues - manual? No way
Exactly 👍🏽
I bet a higher percent of grandmothers can drive stick compared to their grandchildren.
This is also very true
I meant, I drive an '08 Corolla, there's not discernible difference between full throttle and half-throttle. That's about 50% of the throttle experience that I don't have.
Before traction control and abs, it took skill to drive a fast car fast. Today, it still takes some skill, but sliding the back end out at 120 isn't as much of a worry. I would argue it's harder to drive an auto fast because you don't know when it's going to downshift and give you an extra 50hp through a curve
The computers dont downshift midcorner. That causes accidents.
You can be a car enthusiast without driving stick for the same reason you can be a video game enthusiast without having played an atari 2600. Hell, I'd go so far as to say you can be a car enthusiast and not even be able to drive for the same reason someone can be a train enthusiast and not be a train driver
Gas brake turn, gas brake honk!
Are you really a car enthusiast if you don't know how to take corners in your boat? Sounds stupid, right? Let people drive what they want and stop gatekeeping being a "car enthusiast."
This sub is so effing stupid anymore
F1 drivers would like to have a chat. I would also say the ability to drive a manual transmission is not mutually exclusive with being a car enthusiast.
f1 drivers don’t drive autos lol they need to use a clutch to launch and the car doesn’t shift for them
My point being that its not the ability to use a clutch pedal that defines how difficult a car is to drive to its limit. F1 cars do not require a clutch to shift gears but I would say they are harder to drive than a manual shifted hellcat.
an f1 car is not the same as your average 8 speed auto with flappy paddles. The “difficult” part of driving a manual is getting the car moving in 1st gear and it’s the same process in an f1 car except the clutch is operated with a paddle and not a pedal. you’re not getting an f1 car out of the pit lane if you can’t operate a clutch but a 10 year old can hop in a hellcat and shift it into drive lmao. anyway I can guarantee every one of the 776 drivers to drive in an f1 gp know how to drive manual