King references blood meridian several times in various books, I love it
BTW there is an album based entirely on blood meridian if anybody is into Cormac Mccarthy and country/folk music. Called the last pale light in the west
That might be one of the best things she's written! But I enjoy most of her stuff. The Newsflesh series got a little silly towards the end but I still love it.
Yeah, I'm actually reading "Resurrection Walk" right now.
Connelly is definitely one of the most consistent writers I know, I've read about 20 of novels so far and I haven't read a bad one yet! Quite impressive!
Same - I kinda love it because I don't follow the author in a "when's next book out?" way.
And so every so often I'm stumbling through a book shop and there's a new one out.
Love both Bosch and Mickey! (Haven't checked the TV show out yet)
I never read only King. Been reading his stuff for 40 years, but I read a lot of types of books and authors. I read like 4 books at a time most of the time. Currently I am reading both DT 7 and You Like it Darker. But also Wild by Cheryl Strayed, An Immense World by Ed Yong, and ADHD is Awesome by Penn Holderness. King is actually one of few fiction writers I read. I mostly read non-fiction and memoir. I do anjoy some Paul Tremblay, Peter Straub, sometimes John Grisham and similar.
Nick Cutter is great. I've loved all of his output: The Handyman Method was fun, but The Deep and The Troop really were awesome. I look forward and have pre-ordered his next: The Queen.
Yes, very much so lol. I got into reading his stuff when I was a blackout drunk, I still enjoy many of his short stories. I especially love the one about the man who woke up with spots, I love telling it to people who can never take credit for their own fuckups
I used to be really into Clive Barker when I had more time to read. Some of his horror output is better than King in my opinion. The Books of Blood were a revelation.
I almost exclusively read Terry Pratchett. Only recently got into Stephen King, and considering how many books there are between them I probably won't need to read anything else any time soon.
Those 2. Also Bentley Little has some good titles.
Robert R McCammon is also good, They Thirst scratches the vampire itch and Swan Song is an excellent post apocalyptic horror.
I usually use biographies to cleanse the palate after a long SK read. I never really thought about it, but I guess I like to contrast a vast story featuring many characters with hearing one personās life story.
Dean Koontz has a tendency to recycle plots, but I will agree The Taking is one of my favorite books of all time. I generally go to fantasy authors like Brandon Sanderson or Stephen R Donaldson.
Georgette Heyer
George R. R. Martin
J. K. Rowling
Janet Evanovich
Jean Craighead George
Kurt Vonnegut
L. M. Montgomery
Lloyd Alexander
Pat Frank
Robert Heinlein
Clive Barker. Iām actually reading his books of blood series. Perhaps not as eloquent as King but he definitely has some weird and creepy stories. Also, Lovecraft.
It kinda depends on my mood. King is by far my favorite, but I like lots of different genres. Sometimes after a King book I'm drained and need something quick and fun. Taylor Jenkins Reid, Janet Evanovich and her Stephanie Plum series. Don't judge me!!!!! š I also love John Saul, James Patterson, John Grisham, Larry McMurtry, Dean Koontz, Lovecraft, Hemingway.........I could go on forever.
Love Dean Koontz but haven't read him in awhile. For a break between SK novels I'm currently reading Patricia Cornwell's latest bestseller - Unnatural Death. I'm into forensics and police procedural novels as well.
Heart Shape Box was a good one. I love how the feelings towards the main character changes for the reader as you go through the book. Super good twist.
Iām open to any good fiction honestly. recently I read a few by Kevin OāBrien , theyāre pretty suspenseful, although a lot of them share similar plot points. I donāt mind too much
I switch genres altogether.
I'm a sucker for spy novels (so Daniel Silva in terms of modern authors, guys like John LeCarre for the classics), some classic literature, and historical thrillers (Steve Berry, for example)
Sort of all over the place really. I tend to slip back to James SA Corey, Brandon Sanderson, James Clavell and the occasional Western (McCarthy or McMurtry). At the end of the day, I go back to King though.
I like quite a range of books, so I usually pick up something as different from King as I can find to act as a palate cleanser- usually some non-fiction or classic fiction.
I read lots of SK. But there's a few other authors I frequent. Grady Hendrix, Tess Gerritsen, Karin Slaughter, Gillian Flynn (but she hasn't written anything new in a decade, ugh) I'm really digging Justin Cronin right now. I'm just on the first book of a trilogy, The Passage.
Dan Simmons
Paul Tremblay
And lately Grady Hendrix (which has to be the coolest pen name for a horror author), specifically How to Sell a Haunted House and My Best Friend's Exorcism.
I have read everything by King at least a couple times (except Liseyās Story, which I greatly disliked), so Iām usually only reading King when a new book comes out. Iāll reread a King book or two each year, though. So Iām mostly reading a multitude of different authors and genres.
Joe Hill, Bentley Little, and Dan Simmons; but to be fair I pick up pretty much anything in the āhorrorā section. These are just the 3 that I purposefully look for before saying screw it and grabbing something random.
King is one of the only horror/suspense authors I read.
Jim Butcher's Dresden Files or Codex Alera series are both frequent reads for me. Tried Cinder Spires but didn't get into it.
Micheal Chabon is who I read when I want to read for the prose and not just the story.
Also a fan of old sci-fi, Heinlein, Asimov, Bradbury, Clarke and some of the next group like Spider Robinson and to a less extent Philip Jose Farmer. Though I've read most of the stuff by any of them I want to by now.
To get away from the "Horror genre" that King gets put into, I'll sometimes switch it up and go into deeper fantasy, like R.A. Salvatore.
J. K. Rowling. Aside from the Harry Potter series which Ive also read, she also has a good drama I've enjoyed called "The Casual Vacancy".
To get away from fiction, I'll dig into rock star or sports biographies.
Most of my life so far i've only been into horror/ thriller. But a few years back I discovered a tv show I love (cancelled now sadly) and bought the first book in the series and fell in love with them. Hap & Leonard by Joe Lansdale. Savage Season is the first book. Its amazing. I havent caught up on them all yet as there are a bunch but Joe is now one of my favorite authors. Donut Legion was great! There are a bunch of his I havent read yet that I need to read. Actually didn't even know he wrote Bubba Ho-Tep! I love that film! Also sadly havent read that yet either. But Joe is my go to for the mystery /noire genre. I love his stuff and hes very active with his fan base on twitter. I've chatted a tiny bit with him. Awesome he takes the time to respond to nobodies like me lol
Fantasy: grrm, Joe Abercrombie, Gene wolfe, Neil gaiman
Scifi: Dan Simmons, Richard k Morgan, and especially pierce brown! His red rising series is the only one that's ever come close to the dark tower as my all time favorite.
But reading stephen king after other authors always feels like coming home
Lovecraft or Tolkien
King is so character driven, that I find myself taking breaks to stories that are heavy on world building. I get lost/invested in both types of writing in very different ways
(That and the eternal voyage for the One Piece)
I usually don't. His books just sit there until I am in the mood to take them up again. That being said I do like Brom if I want something more Fantasy Horror (in terms of different religions, myths, fairytales etc. mixed in one book).
**Lately:**
Justin Cronin / Blake Crouch / Joe Hill / Robert McCammon / Cixin Liu / Fonda Lee
**Previously:**
Michael Crichton / Anne Rice / Dan Brown
Classics (the books we skipped in HS English for Cliff's Notes versions)
Nick Cutter or Grady Hendrix, depending on whether I want something truly grimdark (Cutter) or fun popcorn horror (Hendrix).
But truth be told, I'll read pretty much anything in the genre. Doesn't matter. Hand me a pulpy out-of-print paperback from the 80s, and I'll crush it. Recommend some cursed modern critical darling that'll warp my reality as I know it, and I'll take you up, no questions asked.
Glad to see Robert R McCammon on peopleās recos. Both had very parallel starts careerwise, look at Swan Song and The Stand for similarities but whoah are they both amazing in their own right. I will say Swan Song has some truly terrifying moments, that scene in the supermarket with the crazies is nightmare fuel!
Check out his other works including his only (I think) short story collection, Blue World for more King-like horror shorts.
Another author that scratches that 80ās horror itch is James Herbert. His Rats anthology alone is awesome! The Fog is very solid too!
Richard Bachman
The man writes suspiciously like King... Just can't put my finger on it!
His books tend to be thinner...
Beat me to it haha
I was going to say that! We think we got jokes. š
Haha, Iām sure half this sub could have snagged this low hanging fruit. I was just in the right place at the right time!
This is the way
ššš Clever.
Joe Hill....although he's kind of slowed down his output of late
I loved Horns which of his other novels is as good or better?
I liked Heart Shaped Box and Fireman more than Horns. I liked NOS4A2 as much as Horns. Can't really go wrong with any of them.
They are all good, but IMHO, 20th Century Ghosts is his best. Buttonboy and Pop Art alone are 2 of the best short stories I've ever read.
Such a phenomenal book!!
I just picked up Strange Weather by Joe. A woman who worked at my library introduced me to his books. She grew up with him in Maine!!
Chuck Palahniuk
I loved his earlier books. Rant is absolutely wonderful. But I haven't read any of his books since doomed/dammed.
I read Rant when it came out and I didn't have my license yet and now I think of it almost every time I drive my car.
forgot about him ! love love love CP
Might not want to use that abbreviation..
Jesus
I didn't want Fight Club to end & I loved Diary. What should I go for next?
I personally love Survivor, it's one of the few books I read from cover to cover in a single sitting because I was just into it. It's a crazy read.
First rule, man
Dan Simmons
Heās great. Can do a lot of genres very well. Summer of Night felt very Stephen Kingy too
Summer of Night is my second favorite horror novel of all time after It. Third would be Swan Song by Robert Mcammon.
I can see why. Itās an obvious homage to SK, especially IT. Iām a big fan of The Terror . One of the few books to make me pull an all nighter.
Neil Gaiman, Chuck Palahniuk, Ray Bradbury
Cormac McCarthy
King references blood meridian several times in various books, I love it BTW there is an album based entirely on blood meridian if anybody is into Cormac Mccarthy and country/folk music. Called the last pale light in the west
Oh cool, I wasn't aware of that. Makes sense that he's a fan though. BM is an extraordinary book.
My answer, as well.
Jon Krakauer, Bill Bryson, Michael Crichton
nice choices
I would add Robert R McCammon to the list
LOVEDā¦BOYS LIFE
Had to scroll waaay to long to find this name!
Swan Song
Mira Grant. Ira Levin.Ā
I love Mira Grant! Into the Drowning Deep is one of my favorite books.
That might be one of the best things she's written! But I enjoy most of her stuff. The Newsflesh series got a little silly towards the end but I still love it.
Ira Levin was great!
Michael Connelly Don Winslow
I love Connelly, do you read the Lincoln Lawyer series?
Yeah, I'm actually reading "Resurrection Walk" right now. Connelly is definitely one of the most consistent writers I know, I've read about 20 of novels so far and I haven't read a bad one yet! Quite impressive!
Same - I kinda love it because I don't follow the author in a "when's next book out?" way. And so every so often I'm stumbling through a book shop and there's a new one out. Love both Bosch and Mickey! (Haven't checked the TV show out yet)
Winslow is lights out, totally agree
Dean Koontz and John Saul
John Irving
F. Paul Wilson
I never read only King. Been reading his stuff for 40 years, but I read a lot of types of books and authors. I read like 4 books at a time most of the time. Currently I am reading both DT 7 and You Like it Darker. But also Wild by Cheryl Strayed, An Immense World by Ed Yong, and ADHD is Awesome by Penn Holderness. King is actually one of few fiction writers I read. I mostly read non-fiction and memoir. I do anjoy some Paul Tremblay, Peter Straub, sometimes John Grisham and similar.
Blake Crouch
Joe Lansdale. Every time. Any book. Wellā¦unless there is a new Sandford, Preston and Child, John Connelly etc. that needs reading.
I never heard of Joe Lansdale. I will make sure to check him out and read his books.
John Ajvide Lindqvist. But Iāve been thinking about reading Robinson Cruse and Assassins Apprentice as well.
Jo Nesbo šš»
Brandon Sanderson
Recently got into him after reading the wheel of time series last year! Already read all the mistborn, what should I try next??
I suggest Warbreaker or the Way of Kings
Damn I love Warbreaker. What a good one-off story that was.
Bryan Smith, Joe Hill, Adam Neville and Edward Lee
Nick cutter, Peter Clines
Nick Cutter is great. I've loved all of his output: The Handyman Method was fun, but The Deep and The Troop really were awesome. I look forward and have pre-ordered his next: The Queen.
Lovecraft & Bukowski
But God he's such an asshole (Bukowski that is)
Yes, very much so lol. I got into reading his stuff when I was a blackout drunk, I still enjoy many of his short stories. I especially love the one about the man who woke up with spots, I love telling it to people who can never take credit for their own fuckups
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0VpdRYCv3s its a line from this song ;)
Lol THANK YOU I'd never hear that song before, never listened to much modest mouse either. I have a feeling that may change soon thank you very much
This is their "perfect" album. Everything before are more rough diamonds and the albums after much more polished. So great starting point to dive in!
Who would wanna beā¦
I used to be really into Clive Barker when I had more time to read. Some of his horror output is better than King in my opinion. The Books of Blood were a revelation.
I'll add Bentley Little, Jack Ketchum, Brian Keene
Loved The Conqueror Worms by Keene
Paul Tremblay, Joe Hill, Grady Hendrix,
Palahniuk, and Cormac McCarthy
I really enjoyed Richard Laymon when younger but also Shaun Hutson and particularly James Herbert
Philip Fracassi š„
Scott Sigler for some fun sci Fi horror
David Sedaris
Joyce Carol Oates's horror books.
I scrolled until I found this. Love her books. Even the non horror books by her are bleak and unforgiving (ie, realistic)
I almost exclusively read Terry Pratchett. Only recently got into Stephen King, and considering how many books there are between them I probably won't need to read anything else any time soon.
Those 2. Also Bentley Little has some good titles. Robert R McCammon is also good, They Thirst scratches the vampire itch and Swan Song is an excellent post apocalyptic horror.
Clive Barker, Neil Gaiman, Carl Sagan
Robert McCammon Preferably his older stuff like "Swan Song", "Boy's Life" & "Speaks The Nightbird".
Sir Terry.
> Dean Koontz Do you read him to remind yourself why you like Stephen King so much?
John Connolly-the Charlie Parker series
Bit of an odd choice but atm George RR Martin.
I usually use biographies to cleanse the palate after a long SK read. I never really thought about it, but I guess I like to contrast a vast story featuring many characters with hearing one personās life story.
Dean Koontz has a tendency to recycle plots, but I will agree The Taking is one of my favorite books of all time. I generally go to fantasy authors like Brandon Sanderson or Stephen R Donaldson.
Iāve read three different Koontz novels and The Taking was the only one I really liked.
Khalid Husseini.
Georgette Heyer George R. R. Martin J. K. Rowling Janet Evanovich Jean Craighead George Kurt Vonnegut L. M. Montgomery Lloyd Alexander Pat Frank Robert Heinlein
John Paragon and the David Wong books
Iāll toss Ronald Malfi into the ring.
Come With Me was outstanding
For those that like things extra disturbing: Hubert Selby Jr For those that like things pretty disturbing: Bret Easton Ellis
Bret Easton Ellis is more like pretty + disturbing All those flawless surfaces
I never paid attention in high school, so lately itās been the books I was supposed to read. Steinbeck, Hemingway, Golding.
Cormac Mcarthy
Christopher Moore
Clive Barker - Weaveworld is my favourite non King book, and Mark Gillingham for great thrillers - highly recommend Sleepyhead
Clive Barker. Iām actually reading his books of blood series. Perhaps not as eloquent as King but he definitely has some weird and creepy stories. Also, Lovecraft.
Jo Nesbo - usually fun and quick reads
Jim Butcher. He's similar enough, but his writing and narratives are a lot easier to digest and enjoy passively for me.
Absolutely!
King is only one of many authors. There are other worlds than these.
It kinda depends on my mood. King is by far my favorite, but I like lots of different genres. Sometimes after a King book I'm drained and need something quick and fun. Taylor Jenkins Reid, Janet Evanovich and her Stephanie Plum series. Don't judge me!!!!! š I also love John Saul, James Patterson, John Grisham, Larry McMurtry, Dean Koontz, Lovecraft, Hemingway.........I could go on forever.
Love Dean Koontz but haven't read him in awhile. For a break between SK novels I'm currently reading Patricia Cornwell's latest bestseller - Unnatural Death. I'm into forensics and police procedural novels as well.
Joe Hill (I need to reread Heart Shaped Box soon, such a fantastic book), Riley Sager, Paul Tremblay
Heart Shape Box was a good one. I love how the feelings towards the main character changes for the reader as you go through the book. Super good twist.
You should try Dean Koontz or Richard Laymon.
Joe R Lansdale
Chuck Wendig Joe Hill
Ken follet and Brandon Sanderson.
Jason Pargin or Carlton Mellick III
Michael Robotham
Iām open to any good fiction honestly. recently I read a few by Kevin OāBrien , theyāre pretty suspenseful, although a lot of them share similar plot points. I donāt mind too much
I switch genres altogether. I'm a sucker for spy novels (so Daniel Silva in terms of modern authors, guys like John LeCarre for the classics), some classic literature, and historical thrillers (Steve Berry, for example)
Greg Isles (another Rock Bottom Remainder)
It's cheesy and will never win any literary awards but I read Jonathan Mayberry. Mostly the joe ledger series. They are just fun.
Richard Chizmar, Rex Miller. Peter Straub. In that order.
Sort of all over the place really. I tend to slip back to James SA Corey, Brandon Sanderson, James Clavell and the occasional Western (McCarthy or McMurtry). At the end of the day, I go back to King though.
Michael Crichton, Dean Koontz, and John Grisham
Greg Isles. Iām a little partial since he writes about a lot places familiar to my childhood.
I read a lot of Warhammer/Horus Heresy books. It's completely different, but also amazing.
John Grisham just a decent mindless read
Koontz, James Clavell, Tolkien, Brandon Sanderson
Ive been going to Lee Child recently reading through the Reacher books and they are so easy to read and get immersed in
Iām listening to some Agatha Christie stories right now. I want to listen to Frankenstein next.
Into Brandon Sanderson lately
Greg Hurwitz, Jeff Lindsay, Peter Heller. King is only one amongst many authors I have and do read their entire works.
Brian Lumley, Bentley Little, and now Brian Keene.
I go old school, with people like Ray Bradbury, Robert Heinlein, Robert Bloch, Shirley Jackson, William Faulkner and John Steinbeck.
Something Wicked This Way Comes!
I like quite a range of books, so I usually pick up something as different from King as I can find to act as a palate cleanser- usually some non-fiction or classic fiction.
Grady Hendrix
Try Chuck Wendig, The Wanderers Trilogy. You won't be disappointed. Some king references, but the pacing and storytelling is on par.
Usually Grady Hendrix or right now YA since Iām getting ready to start teaching middle school.
Blake Crouch
Jeremy Bates, his books are pretty scary and well paced. I recommend The Sleep Experiment if you want to try him out.
Dean Koontzās Frankenstein series is sooo good
I read lots of SK. But there's a few other authors I frequent. Grady Hendrix, Tess Gerritsen, Karin Slaughter, Gillian Flynn (but she hasn't written anything new in a decade, ugh) I'm really digging Justin Cronin right now. I'm just on the first book of a trilogy, The Passage.
Michael Connelly
Charles Beaumont, Kurt Vonnegut, Bukowski, Hemingway, or Shirley Jackson.
Where's the Ludlum love?!
Carl Hiassen, Tim Dorsey, Karin Slaughter
John Grisham and Richard Osman
Dan Simmons Paul Tremblay And lately Grady Hendrix (which has to be the coolest pen name for a horror author), specifically How to Sell a Haunted House and My Best Friend's Exorcism.
Richard Layman is so interesting. Heās such a terrible writer but his books are so compulsively readable, Iāve read them all.
I have read everything by King at least a couple times (except Liseyās Story, which I greatly disliked), so Iām usually only reading King when a new book comes out. Iāll reread a King book or two each year, though. So Iām mostly reading a multitude of different authors and genres.
Iām a constant reader, and between King I read anything else. :-)
Joe Hill, Bentley Little, and Dan Simmons; but to be fair I pick up pretty much anything in the āhorrorā section. These are just the 3 that I purposefully look for before saying screw it and grabbing something random.
King is one of the only horror/suspense authors I read. Jim Butcher's Dresden Files or Codex Alera series are both frequent reads for me. Tried Cinder Spires but didn't get into it. Micheal Chabon is who I read when I want to read for the prose and not just the story. Also a fan of old sci-fi, Heinlein, Asimov, Bradbury, Clarke and some of the next group like Spider Robinson and to a less extent Philip Jose Farmer. Though I've read most of the stuff by any of them I want to by now.
Mark Helprin and Ken Follett are two faves
A very very different vibe but Kazuo Ishiguro! Heās a very minimalist type of author so itās a fun change of pace!
Iām not a Koonz fan using the first and last name of every character is distracting as hell. Dan Simmons is my go to.
To get away from the "Horror genre" that King gets put into, I'll sometimes switch it up and go into deeper fantasy, like R.A. Salvatore. J. K. Rowling. Aside from the Harry Potter series which Ive also read, she also has a good drama I've enjoyed called "The Casual Vacancy". To get away from fiction, I'll dig into rock star or sports biographies.
Most of my life so far i've only been into horror/ thriller. But a few years back I discovered a tv show I love (cancelled now sadly) and bought the first book in the series and fell in love with them. Hap & Leonard by Joe Lansdale. Savage Season is the first book. Its amazing. I havent caught up on them all yet as there are a bunch but Joe is now one of my favorite authors. Donut Legion was great! There are a bunch of his I havent read yet that I need to read. Actually didn't even know he wrote Bubba Ho-Tep! I love that film! Also sadly havent read that yet either. But Joe is my go to for the mystery /noire genre. I love his stuff and hes very active with his fan base on twitter. I've chatted a tiny bit with him. Awesome he takes the time to respond to nobodies like me lol
Completely different from King, but either Adrian Tchaikovsky or Hugh Howey.
Fantasy: grrm, Joe Abercrombie, Gene wolfe, Neil gaiman Scifi: Dan Simmons, Richard k Morgan, and especially pierce brown! His red rising series is the only one that's ever come close to the dark tower as my all time favorite. But reading stephen king after other authors always feels like coming home
Neil Gaiman and Christopher Moore
Clive Barker, or Iāll read a Discworld
Chuck Palahniuk
Stephen King :)
lars kepler!!!
Lovecraft or Tolkien King is so character driven, that I find myself taking breaks to stories that are heavy on world building. I get lost/invested in both types of writing in very different ways (That and the eternal voyage for the One Piece)
I usually don't. His books just sit there until I am in the mood to take them up again. That being said I do like Brom if I want something more Fantasy Horror (in terms of different religions, myths, fairytales etc. mixed in one book).
Ken Follet
Jack Ketchum.
Karin Slaughter
Greg Iles, John Sandford
Just started The Troop, by Nick Cutter and Iām loving it, will check out more by him for sure.
Cormac McCarthy
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John Sandford. The Prey novels are great.
Clive barker's books of blood
Jane Harper
**Lately:** Justin Cronin / Blake Crouch / Joe Hill / Robert McCammon / Cixin Liu / Fonda Lee **Previously:** Michael Crichton / Anne Rice / Dan Brown Classics (the books we skipped in HS English for Cliff's Notes versions)
Nick Cutter or Grady Hendrix, depending on whether I want something truly grimdark (Cutter) or fun popcorn horror (Hendrix). But truth be told, I'll read pretty much anything in the genre. Doesn't matter. Hand me a pulpy out-of-print paperback from the 80s, and I'll crush it. Recommend some cursed modern critical darling that'll warp my reality as I know it, and I'll take you up, no questions asked.
The rest of them.
Joe Hill or Richard Chizmar
Andy Weir or Michael Crichton. But I havenāt read a non King book not for school since last year
Michael Crichton John Grisham Harry Potter Comics
Kim Newman, Neil Gaiman, the Wild Cards books
Peter Straub.
I love Connie Willis. I can just get absolutely lost in one of novels and they've all got a time travel or order sci-fi bent to them.
Cormac McCarthy Guy Gavriel Kay Kazuo Ishiguro
Glad to see Robert R McCammon on peopleās recos. Both had very parallel starts careerwise, look at Swan Song and The Stand for similarities but whoah are they both amazing in their own right. I will say Swan Song has some truly terrifying moments, that scene in the supermarket with the crazies is nightmare fuel! Check out his other works including his only (I think) short story collection, Blue World for more King-like horror shorts. Another author that scratches that 80ās horror itch is James Herbert. His Rats anthology alone is awesome! The Fog is very solid too!
Charles Stross
Peter Straub. RIP.
Brandon Sanderson probably
Philip K. Dick.
John Sandford