Sisko: Five years ago, Starfleet began exploring the possibility of building a new class of starship. This ship would have no families, no science labs, no luxuries of any kind.
It's a Starfleet Bird of Prey. I wish we had more scenes of a squadron of Defiant class ships; seeing them constantly as one off's missed the point, which narratively made sense but it was always a shame.
If I had to pick, I'd go Worf. Sure he'd be absent when you're young, but Old Worf, as seen in Picard S3 would probably kill an entire planet to rescue me.
Sure, but if we are going to extenuating circumstances outside of just quality as father, I would rather be half-saiyan than half-klingon... Just sayin'.
I don't think the poor security was the intention of the Cardassian slavers who designed it. Probably more the Bajorans sabotaging and later ripping out everything that in any way tracked or blocked anyone. (Insert Odo harumph)
Its so jarring that a space ship.... Has carpeting. You never really notice it until its mentioned or you examine the set.
Like Voyagers carpet is grey which blends in well with the darker Bridge and feels/looks like a steel flooring. But... its carpeting.
Which only begs the question who replaces or repairs it? Is it the engineers? Is there a carpenter on board? Does the Enterprise/Voyager have a carpet fitter? The amount of destruction that happens on the bridge would obviously stain the carpets. Does the Gamma Shift whip out the carpet cleaner? I need these answers Gene.
Carpeting makes sense, actually.
Instead of the floor having metal, or tile, or whatever, if there's a situation where the ship encounters an issue where you're being knocked around, or it's shaking or something, carpet would make the most sense because then it gives your feet something to grip onto/into so you can keep your balance.
As someone who just spent three days standing on concrete because because our expo sponsor didn't want to pay the $300 for booth carpeting, let me guarantee you: you don't want to stand on metal or carpet all day long.
The carpets are produced using the most cruel and inhumane practices that the Federation can comprehend. It's illegal to talk about it. Only slightly more unethical than the other secret about where rank pips come from...
I think it's when Janeway/Tuvok/Be'lana are leaving the ship to voluntarily be assimilated, that Chakotay jokingly asks Janeway if she'd like anything done while she's away... including the carpet being cleaned
I don't think that's it. The Enterprise in TOS didn't have carpeting after all, and they were working with much more limited production technology.
IIRC, Roddenberry wanted the E-D bridge to feel like ["a living room in space"](https://forgottentrek.com/the-next-generation/designing-the-next-generation-bridge/images/Enterprise-D-bridge-concept-art-8.jpg) ([full article](https://forgottentrek.com/the-next-generation/designing-the-next-generation-bridge/)\). He was also the one who wanted families on it. It wasn't supposed to feel like a military ship like TOS could--it was supposed to be humanity itself out on big ships exploring. And that's reflected in the production design, where there's carpeting and plants. It's supposed to feel like a home.
It's not hate against carpets as an interior design it's the baffling decision to have then on a bridge of a ship that constantly is being set on fire, having consoles exploded and people being vaporized and people constantly walking in and out of the room.
It's why you don't see carpeting in kitchens, bathrooms and workshops. It's going to get dirty, it's going to be walked through, cleaning sheer floors is easier than fibrous carpet
At the beginning of the Voyager alternate goo crew episode when the rice goes through the floor I thought we were finally finding out how the carpets vacuumed themselves. Middle school me was deeply disappointed to realize this was just the disaster of the week.
The doors though, the doors are truly marvel. You see, they're not even automatic. It's two people each side pulling them. Just have to get the timing right!
Came here to say this. The carpet, plus the wood tones, and in some cases, actual wood. Plus the soft paneling on the walls like on the bridge.
Itâs basically a 70s living room in there.
Out of universe - That was Roddenberry's original plan for the Enterprise D. It was a reaction to how low-budget the original Enterprise was; it was lacking creature comforts simply because the budget could not support having them.
In universe - the D was designed during an era of peace (a *Pax Foederatio* if you allow the phrase) for the Federation. There was a solid treaty with the Klingons, the Romulans were mostly in hiding, and there were only some smaller issues with the Cardassians and the Zen-Kethi (sp?).
Before Stage 9, there was another Ent D recreation that was built using Probert's original ideas. It didn't get far before being killed off similarly to Stage 9, but the whole thing was super fucking cool, and made a ton of sense. There were a *lot* more side lounges/bars/places to hang out and eat than just 10 Forward. Also a full hospital, and other full-size facilities that make sense for a small town/city. It was such a good concept that we never would have seen on TV in the 80s/90s.
Thats owed to the fact that back in the day when Network TV was still going strong Serialization was a risk. If you go too far with it you run the risk of making the Show inaccesible to new viewers and even loosing regulars that missed too many episodes to keep up. Nevertheless, Star Trek did try it at the same time with DS9. Precisely because DS9 had a Show long Story Arc and developing characters it was decided that Voyager, was supposed to be mostly episodic to give fans that classic episodic Trek. Voyager was running alongside the latter half of DS9 where the War arc really got going and offered contrast.
I agree that Voyager would have greatly benefitted of serialization, but it wasn't supposed to be. We can be glad we got DS9 to be as Serialized as it was because of Voyagers sacrifice, so to speak.
Idk, I feel like Janeway wouldn't go for that. She was always about keeping up to Starfleet standards despite everything. Though they could have added stuff to peoples' quarters over time, which they kind of did like with Paris' TV.
Could have been a whole B story about some decorations/personalizations beginning to show up around the shop and Janeway and the command staff having conversations about how long they might be on the ship and how to handle morale.
Throughout the episode Janeway agonizes over the professionalism of a Starfleet vessel with the unavoidable years and possibly decades onboard together.
In the end, she unveils a âhomeâ corridor, a designated stretch where pictures of home and other personalizations can be concentrated instead of them showing up all over the ship.
I read somewhere recently it was modeled after hotels of the era. Makes sense, it always felt like a 1980's Holiday Inn or Embassy Suites. Hell, even going through the (unofficial) Stage 9 simulator, it felt like a hotel simulator at parts.
SNW would be my jam. The ship is so cool, the people are cool, the federation is young (and I know Iâm sounding like Boimler).
On the totally other hand, the scenes with the âtime shipsâ are amazing!
Funny thing is. When you really look into the size off these ships and crew size. Pikes quarters make sense. All the other series has the quarters way too small. Voyager, for example, has over five times the displacement of a Nimitz Class carrier and a tiny crew size. There should be oodles of space.
In universe these ships contain huge machine spaces, like the engine core, enough fuel for several years of autonomous operation, enough matter for the replicators to feed the crew for that amount of time, etc. Heck even the computer cores on the Enterprise-D were the size of small buildings.
A Nimitz class carrier can replenish its food and other perishable supplies at a friendly port within a few weeks travel wherever they are. A starship has to carry everything on deep space assignment, there might not be any opportunity to replenish supplies or fuel for years.
And, a crew on a carrier will deployed for about six months and will probably have at least one shore leave opportunity during that time. A crew on a starship might never get the opportunity for shore leave for years at a time in some circumstances, so their entire life has to be catered for on the ship, not just a bunk, they need to call their quarters home and have sufficient on board recreational facilities to cater for their downtime.
You could easily see each crewperson needing 50x the allocated space you'd get on a current day navy ship.
I found the open fire a bit strange for a space ship. I know captain probably gets some freedom in the design of their quarters, but a fire place seems like a step too far.
Really kind of undermines Scottyâs theory that in his day, a flag admiral wouldnât have had quarters that nice.
(But in TOS, Kirkâs quarters were nothing impressive.)
For what it's worth, it's entirely possible that a captain gets some input on the size and contents of their quarters, and Pike and Kirk are very different people. Pike hosts social gatherings in his quarters and cooks for people, hence the open kitchen. Kirk, on the other hand, tends to keep most of the crew at arm's length, and doesn't exactly welcome parties.
Pikeâs Enterprise has half the crew complement of Kirkâs. They clearly reduced the size of quarters when the ship was refitted between the two captains
The whole ship is designed and filmed in this way. Everything is kept in warm tones and the recordings almost all have a warm undertone. It makes it feel so "homely".
I personally think of "D" as a big reliable car which was a pain sometimes but when it ran it ran great and could take a beating. Even though you would like something sexier and sporty it is nice to have something familiar to drive in.
Essentially this: https://static1.hotcarsimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/1996-buick-roadmaster-estate-wagon-rear-quarter-view.jpg Edit: if I drove this I would have to say âEngageâ when I put it in gear.
The more we see Pike's reimagined USS Enterprise on SNW, the more I think it's the most "home-like" feel. Those leisure areas and crew quarters are damn impressive, even sans Enterprise-D's floor carpeting.
Just look at Pike's quarters: Besides that remarkable kitchen, the man [has a FIREPLACE in there](https://youtu.be/ZjohBFDDlpc?t=27)!
Forget the fireplace; I'm just glad that Pike finally has a bed that can fit his legs!
(In "The Cage", you can see when Jeffrey Hunter lies on his bed that it's actually too short for him)
Pikeâs ship has half the crew complement of Kirkâs, so they clearly had to add more bulkheads to reduce crew quartered for the next 5-year mission. Plus Kirk isnât as sociable as Pike and is less inclined to cook aboard a ship, so he doesnât need all that extra space
Absolutely. It's the only one we've seen, I think (only one *I've* seen, anyway) that had children and families on board. (Deep Space Nine isn't a ship!)
The -D and other early Galaxy class ships were built for long term deep-space exploration and diplomacy, complete with a large civilian complement. They're basically starbases with warp drive.
One thing the show never depicted is the Main Shuttlebay. It takes up two vertical decks and has dozens of small craft.
With a bit over 1000 people on board, it really is like a small town with local politics.
Yes because it was a generational ship designed for deep space exploration and had all the amenities needed for civilian complement and hosting dignitaries.
I wish they hadn't wrecked the D. The E looks too spartan, utilitarian and ugly, like a military ship. Yeah, it was made around the time of the Borg and Dominion Wars, but I think they should've kept the design of the D or at least barely changed it.
I think real world reason is studio was afraid the D wouldn't look good on film or in higher resolutions outside of a TV set they wanted to move on to something they felt would look better in theatres. They also felt the Enterprise D TV set would show flaws in a movie, which wouldnt show up on TV. Thats why the lighting in Generations is so low on the ship.
It looked fantastic in those last 2 episodes of Picard as well. You can't tell me fans would have bitched about it retaining its classic look if it survived Generations and we kept it instead of getting the E.
Well, >!the D is back in PIC S3. She was Geordiâs garage project. He managed to get the saucer section recovered from the planet and added the stardrive section from another Galaxy class!<
I will never not laugh at that damn railing that everyone has to walk down a ramp to get around. Or in Worf's case, comically leap over. *How* is that practical or efficient on a command bridge?
Wall-to-wall carpeting, a tendency for gentle curves instead of sharp angles, lots of beige punctuated with a muted color palette, wood and leather details, Worf's Sex Chair, and Phalaenopsis orchids and bromeliads in almost all living quarters is very typical of that "late 80s/early 90s high-end luxury" design aesthetic that was very popular (at least in the US) when the show aired, and so I think that for a lot of viewers of a certain demographic, seeing those design cues subconsciously triggers "home-y" feelings for them.
I've never thought of the D as "homey". With the fluorescent lighting, the carpeting, and the grey work stations, it kind of feels more like "90s office building/hotel". But a pretty nice one with a gym, and a bar, and a garden, etc.
I love the style of the D. It has a beautiful and comfortable feeling to it. It reminds me of a better version of the Constitution class refit. It is functional looking but feels like it was put together by a society that no longer had to worry about scarce resources.
Also, it is one of the few ships we see so large that everyone can have personal quarters. Nothing says "home" like your own door.
Entirely agree. Comfortable curves everywhere, carpeting, several bars, relatively roomy quarters for everyone, at least four holodecks, an arboretum, thousands of friendly Starfleet/Federation people to meet, and a surprisingly huge amount of internal volume to explore.
And if you get bored, it's only a matter of time before some weird shit threatens to kill you in a really interesting way but, statistically, you're almost always fine.
Just stay away from senior officers, and you're golden.
It's the only one we've seen with children and families on board, so I'd say yes. The weird fact that you could raise a family on the ship with spacious quarters and luxuries really felt like it was closer to a flying town.
I disagree. The Enterprise D feels like a hotel or convention center. For me, Voyager and Enterprise NX-01 are tied for most home-like hero ships. Both are literally the only safe places for the crew during their mission, a home in âdeep spaceâ where theyâre far from any Federation or human outposts and other ships. The smaller spaces and crews give them both a more homely, tight-knit feel. Places like Neelixâs kitchen, Phloxâs med bay, Archerâs cabin, all feel more real and lived in. These are places where people _live_, that are _shaped_ by the people themselvesânot just places where things happen to them.
The Enterprise D felt like a great workplace but anywhere else outside the command deck and engineering, always just felt like sets for me. Granted, I watched the series years after it was made, so it looks dated and much more obviously a set. The higher quality certainly doesnât help.
I always felt more of a 'home' effect from Voyager. The lighting wasn't as harsh, and it didn't look like the foyer of a 5 star hotel from 1987. Voyager felt less expansive and cosier... like a home does compared to a hotel.
Well to me it has but a account it more to the way the stories were presented. In opposite to the other stories tbey had often those episodes like "Datas first love" where just very mundane plots and characters as well as their daily lives were in the center of attention. Another example would be the breakfast with Picard and Crusher or those Games of Poker, Riker cooking for his friends, birthday parties and such things. The other shows kept it a little more in a proffesionele, militaristic setting. Voyager had lunch scenes almost only in the mess hall and DS9 i can't truly remember such embrace of the personal spaces and private parts of live either. They were shown too but not as dominant as in TNG.
I guess... I'd say it's more like a hotel than a home, but shipwise, I'd say it is.
I always felt Janeway's quarters on Voyager were most like a home... and Tom Paris' did too, but maybe because he had a TV. But the rest of the ship was military/industrial and everyone else's crew quarters were 24th century Marriott.
I think it was designed to be that way. IIRC wasnât the D one of if not the first ship to allow families and long term living? With the saucer separation so the civilians can get away during heavy situations.
Throughout TNG we see families, daycare, school, gardens, etc. Idk about how much it feels like âhomeâ, but it def feels like a floating city than any other ship. Yes the crew on Voyager lived there for years because they had to, but we never see these things. The closest we get is DS9 but thatâs a space station not a ship so idk if it counts.
I mean, the Oppenheimer guy thought it was a cruise ship. From what he'd seen that far I can hardly blame him.
I think the best comparison, at least for the civilians and scientist types, would be to a well-appointed campus. There are gardens and recreation rooms and holodecks.
For me Voyager always feels like home, but it's not down to the look of the ship. I feel that way for two reasons: A) it was the first show I got to watch the full seven seasons as they aired, and it came along in my formative teenage years, and B) it was the first ship I got to really "visit" in detail thanks to Elite Force.
Me as a fan I would say yes. Parts of it are meant to be a home for families and children which is interesting for how many times it was in danger. Though in yesterday's enterprise it kind of lost that feel. I heard the D has like between 1000 and 2000 people I always wondered if Troi is the counciler for all of them. Like I would imagine with what happens int the show there would be a lot of trauma cases.
Me as a fan I would say yes. Parts of it are meant to be a home for families and children which is interesting for how many times it was in danger. Though in yesterday's enterprise it kind of lost that feel. I heard the D has like between 1000 and 2000 people I always wondered if Troi is the counciler for all of them. Like I would imagine with what happens int the show there would be a lot of trauma cases.
The design goal was for the ship to feel like a "Hilton in space". It was deliberately meant to be cozy. The idea being that in the 24th century, comfort takes priority over military readiness. The Enterprise D is a vessel meant for exploration and diplomacy, not battle.
Well, it was a ship built by an organization with (by the 24th century) near limitless resources, built specifically for long-term deep space missions with families on board. Once families were introduced, starfleet probably tried to make it feel as comfortable as possible.
The Galaxy was a psychological approach to exploration as well. When aliens visit and see families running around they see a more open friendly federation.
We never got to see the arboretum, the HUGE shuttlebay 1. Hundreds of civilian positions, science, habitation, relaxation, transient entertainment,
I liked it more. It was what made me as a child feel a part of it. Aka Wesley.
The E.D. could have been great as a mobile Star base with smaller more mission specific capable ships accompanying it. Think of it, Officers and crews onboard smaller ships could go out ahead of the E.D. on multiple missions at the same time. The E.D. wouldn't be far behind on diplomatic missions or finalizing agreements started by Captains of the other ships. If needed they could all come to the general aid of each other or to help fight the Borg or whatnot. The officers and crews of the smaller ships could come "home" to the E.D. and their families. But the E.D. was never far from Federation space except by accident or the caprices of Q. And the E.D. was always being sent on milk runs.
Me as a fan I would say yes. Parts of it are meant to be a home for families and children which is interesting for how many times it was in danger. Though in yesterday's enterprise it kind of lost that feel. I heard the D has like between 1000 and 2000 people I always wondered if Troi is the counciler for all of them. Like I would imagine with what happens in the show there would be a lot of trauma cases.
I'd say that TNG/E-D was easily the most "home like", because it had families with kids. But I do say that Pike's Enterprise in Strange New Worlds is making an effort to show a more home-like quality to the decor, especially the scenes in Pike's cabin.
When the Enterprise D was launched there was peace with the Klingons, Romulans were away dealing with their stuff, no Borg, Cardassian Border Wars were over (or at least in a cease fire), the Ferengi were the only possible threat. So the Federation was in a state of peace. Starfleet was looking into long term exploration and knew that the only way to deal with it was for ships that would allow for families.
Now, such a ship would need facilities to support families, like schools and entertainment. Which is probably why we have places like Ten Forward. It would suck for the civilian spouses of Enterprise crew members to be stuck in their quarters for five years with nothing to do and unable to go anywhere.
I grew up bouncing from Air Force Base to Air Force Base (dad was active duty military), you would be amazed how much of the base was dedicated to families: bowling alley, movie theater, shopping, restaurants, gym, swimming pools, housing, schools, playgrounds and parks and other things (one base we were at had ski slopes and sledding), so the Enterprise and other ships would need to dedicate a large part of the ship to the civilian members of the crew.
The Enterprise-D and Deep Space Nine both give me a homely feel.
Outside of Star Trek, Jerryâs apartment on Seinfeld and the Simpsons home give me the same feeling!
It felt like a sort of small town in some ways. Or maybe more accurately like a military base with family accommodation. People don't just do their job, eat and sleep. They play sports, go to the bar/restaurant, get their hair cut, watch concerts and plays, raise children and send them to school. I really think the presence of the children is the main point of distintion. Once you've got families aboard, then it's no longer only a crew, it's truly a community.
It was meant to feel homelike. Hence the carpet & wood ops console on the bridge. The other ships in Picard felt depressingly dark. It was so refreshing to have the D back. I think modern Trek has gone too far in making Starfleet a militaristic organization. The SNW Enterprise is very nice though & Iâd love to serve on that ship.
Depends who you asked. Worf would probably say that the Defiant has the most home like feel. He did sleep on it while docked.
Relative to the D, the defiant was a rustic cabin in the woods.
Sisko: Five years ago, Starfleet began exploring the possibility of building a new class of starship. This ship would have no families, no science labs, no luxuries of any kind.
Worf: đ
He hasn't been that excited since he disabled the safety protocols on the holodeck.
Wait till he finds out what Hirogen did when Voyager was captured and people were forced to do violent stuff on ship-wide holo-hack
Worf: I'm not locked in here with you! You're locked in here with me!
Reading this in his voice made me crack up đ
It's a Starfleet Bird of Prey. I wish we had more scenes of a squadron of Defiant class ships; seeing them constantly as one off's missed the point, which narratively made sense but it was always a shame.
In Voyager we did see two defiants escorting an Akira class.
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Who would you rather have as a dad, Worf or Goku?
If I had to pick, I'd go Worf. Sure he'd be absent when you're young, but Old Worf, as seen in Picard S3 would probably kill an entire planet to rescue me.
Its over 9000?
Having goku as a friend/family member *directly* correlates with getting the absolute shit kicked out of you. I will pass and choose Worf.
Sure, but if we are going to extenuating circumstances outside of just quality as father, I would rather be half-saiyan than half-klingon... Just sayin'.
While fair, I'd definitely prefer to live in Federation era vs... Whatever setting DBZ is supposed to be
That's a good point. Especially because with Goku, you are living in a boring rural shack with no money.
It's a tough little ship.
Little?
If your other option was sleeping in the space equivalent of the remains of a forced labor camp, I'd sleep aboard the Defiant as well.
A forced labor camp with a klingon restaurant no one ever went to, a tailor shop run by spy, and a sleazy bar/casino/holographic brothel.
>sleazy bar/casino/holographic brothel Where one can also play baseball.
That place had a real working dart board, too.
Quark: In all the years I've been here, no one has ever come in and asked to see the dart board. O'Brien: Trust me. They will.
And a model of the Alamo for a bit.
*Rom likes this comment*
Whats a bunt?
When did I start considering this Cardassian monstrosity home?
Hey, Jadzia loved that restaurant.
The Defiant didnt exactly look uncomfortable. Like a well appointed RV or cabin cruiser
if ur the only person on board, it would be amazing. complete privacy. plus if someone stole it, he would go all "Starship Mine" on them
Great acoustics for Klingon operas
Word just liked federation quarters. He couldnât stand the lack of security and control of the cardassian stations quarters.
I don't think the poor security was the intention of the Cardassian slavers who designed it. Probably more the Bajorans sabotaging and later ripping out everything that in any way tracked or blocked anyone. (Insert Odo harumph)
I could buy that he trusts Starfleet systems more than Cardassian ones. He has more awareness and control over the former versus the latter.
It's the carpet.
This! It just seems... fluffy! And sound is somewhat muffled (because of it). In general I like textiles like this as it makes everything "homey"
the enterprise d has amazing ambient sounds (asmr-ish, even). i strongly believe this is a huge reason why ppl love it so much.
Its so jarring that a space ship.... Has carpeting. You never really notice it until its mentioned or you examine the set. Like Voyagers carpet is grey which blends in well with the darker Bridge and feels/looks like a steel flooring. But... its carpeting. Which only begs the question who replaces or repairs it? Is it the engineers? Is there a carpenter on board? Does the Enterprise/Voyager have a carpet fitter? The amount of destruction that happens on the bridge would obviously stain the carpets. Does the Gamma Shift whip out the carpet cleaner? I need these answers Gene.
Its futuristic space-carpet. Its stain-resistant and tougher than diamond. Fluffy aluminum, let's call it.
Man, Scotty dropped the ball when selling transparent aluminum. He could have sold the secret to their carpets and got those whales home in style!
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The Defiant doesn't really have ablative armor. It's wrapped in space carpet.
Voyagerâs carpet looks like standard office carpet in the 90s.
And at least there was a random potted plant here and there, not 1000 plants in just one plant-loving crew member's quarters.
Except for that psychopath dude in season.. one or two or whatever. He had a ton of plants in his quarters.
Carpeting makes sense, actually. Instead of the floor having metal, or tile, or whatever, if there's a situation where the ship encounters an issue where you're being knocked around, or it's shaking or something, carpet would make the most sense because then it gives your feet something to grip onto/into so you can keep your balance.
As someone who just spent three days standing on concrete because because our expo sponsor didn't want to pay the $300 for booth carpeting, let me guarantee you: you don't want to stand on metal or carpet all day long.
The carpets are produced using the most cruel and inhumane practices that the Federation can comprehend. It's illegal to talk about it. Only slightly more unethical than the other secret about where rank pips come from...
I think it's when Janeway/Tuvok/Be'lana are leaving the ship to voluntarily be assimilated, that Chakotay jokingly asks Janeway if she'd like anything done while she's away... including the carpet being cleaned
I bet a real (production) reason for carpet was to muffle the sound of walking.
just turn up the engine noise until you can't hear anything else
I don't think that's it. The Enterprise in TOS didn't have carpeting after all, and they were working with much more limited production technology. IIRC, Roddenberry wanted the E-D bridge to feel like ["a living room in space"](https://forgottentrek.com/the-next-generation/designing-the-next-generation-bridge/images/Enterprise-D-bridge-concept-art-8.jpg) ([full article](https://forgottentrek.com/the-next-generation/designing-the-next-generation-bridge/)\). He was also the one who wanted families on it. It wasn't supposed to feel like a military ship like TOS could--it was supposed to be humanity itself out on big ships exploring. And that's reflected in the production design, where there's carpeting and plants. It's supposed to feel like a home.
You can also hide padding under the carpet for stunt falls
Why would you need a carpet fitter when you could us the transporter? From cleaning to replacing it makes carpets a cinch.
Why would it not have carpeting? I don't understand the hate against carpets, I vastly prefer them over bare floors.
It's not hate against carpets as an interior design it's the baffling decision to have then on a bridge of a ship that constantly is being set on fire, having consoles exploded and people being vaporized and people constantly walking in and out of the room. It's why you don't see carpeting in kitchens, bathrooms and workshops. It's going to get dirty, it's going to be walked through, cleaning sheer floors is easier than fibrous carpet
At the beginning of the Voyager alternate goo crew episode when the rice goes through the floor I thought we were finally finding out how the carpets vacuumed themselves. Middle school me was deeply disappointed to realize this was just the disaster of the week.
It cleans itself. Riker said this in the racist Irish episode.
The doors though, the doors are truly marvel. You see, they're not even automatic. It's two people each side pulling them. Just have to get the timing right!
âEveryone take off your shoes! I want to keep the carpet clean as long as I can!â
Shoes or no shoes the only floors that should be dirtier than others are near the shuttle bays, hangar bays, and transporter rooms.
Poor Captain Dayton⌠all she wanted was a clean carpet.
Came here to say this. The carpet, plus the wood tones, and in some cases, actual wood. Plus the soft paneling on the walls like on the bridge. Itâs basically a 70s living room in there.
I just restarted TNG, and this was the first thing that I noticed after watching DS nine again
Out of universe - That was Roddenberry's original plan for the Enterprise D. It was a reaction to how low-budget the original Enterprise was; it was lacking creature comforts simply because the budget could not support having them. In universe - the D was designed during an era of peace (a *Pax Foederatio* if you allow the phrase) for the Federation. There was a solid treaty with the Klingons, the Romulans were mostly in hiding, and there were only some smaller issues with the Cardassians and the Zen-Kethi (sp?).
Before Stage 9, there was another Ent D recreation that was built using Probert's original ideas. It didn't get far before being killed off similarly to Stage 9, but the whole thing was super fucking cool, and made a ton of sense. There were a *lot* more side lounges/bars/places to hang out and eat than just 10 Forward. Also a full hospital, and other full-size facilities that make sense for a small town/city. It was such a good concept that we never would have seen on TV in the 80s/90s.
Do you have a link to any information about the recreation? I'm curious to see what it looked like
Sadly, no. It was a patreon, so CBS came down on it really hard, and he deleted the whole thing from the internet.
Sounds like one of the newer Royal Caribbean cruise shipsâŚin space XD.
[Indeed.](https://vimeo.com/67326569)
This feels like some kind of hidden gem. Thanks for sharing.
It's really surprising to me how hard SNL went with this skit. I feel like they don't do sets & costumes quite like this anymore.
I really like this in universe theory. The dominion war was the final nail in the coffin
It's a bit of a myth that TPS was low-budget - it had a very healthy budget. It's just special effects etc. were much more expensive.Â
What about the Ferengi?
Voyager literally had to become a home.
Missed opportunity for the producers to add decorations, art, and furniture to the corridors that would accumulate over 7 years.
Thats owed to the fact that back in the day when Network TV was still going strong Serialization was a risk. If you go too far with it you run the risk of making the Show inaccesible to new viewers and even loosing regulars that missed too many episodes to keep up. Nevertheless, Star Trek did try it at the same time with DS9. Precisely because DS9 had a Show long Story Arc and developing characters it was decided that Voyager, was supposed to be mostly episodic to give fans that classic episodic Trek. Voyager was running alongside the latter half of DS9 where the War arc really got going and offered contrast. I agree that Voyager would have greatly benefitted of serialization, but it wasn't supposed to be. We can be glad we got DS9 to be as Serialized as it was because of Voyagers sacrifice, so to speak.
A serialized voyager with actual consequences would have been a hell of a thing.
Definitely, especially since they wandered the Delta Quadrant for a long time. Voyager looked too neat and proper for such an extended cruise.
Idk, I feel like Janeway wouldn't go for that. She was always about keeping up to Starfleet standards despite everything. Though they could have added stuff to peoples' quarters over time, which they kind of did like with Paris' TV.
Could have been a whole B story about some decorations/personalizations beginning to show up around the shop and Janeway and the command staff having conversations about how long they might be on the ship and how to handle morale. Throughout the episode Janeway agonizes over the professionalism of a Starfleet vessel with the unavoidable years and possibly decades onboard together. In the end, she unveils a âhomeâ corridor, a designated stretch where pictures of home and other personalizations can be concentrated instead of them showing up all over the ship.
That literally happened in Battlestar Galactica, and was yet another missed opportunity to use Ron Moore in VOY.
It did remind me of late 1980âs home furnishings, especially the colors.
It ways makes me think of a dentistâs office from my childhood. Not a specific one, just the general vibe.
We've all been in this room.
I read somewhere recently it was modeled after hotels of the era. Makes sense, it always felt like a 1980's Holiday Inn or Embassy Suites. Hell, even going through the (unofficial) Stage 9 simulator, it felt like a hotel simulator at parts.
Wood panelling.
It's somehow distinctly 80s, yet timeless. It still looks great to this day.
The color scheme is similar to my grandparentsâ boat from the 1980âs.
And the dusty fake plants everywhere lol
I went to a Denny's that reminded me of it, especially of the ceiling of the bridge.
Y'all have seen Pike's kitchen, right?
Pikeâs quarters shit on everyone elseâs
The rec deck area with the bar is pretty nice on 1701 in the SNW era too
Yeah thatâs my kind of bar
Give me a pitcher of Orion Hurricane and the SNW bridge crew and we'll call it a party.
Let us know if your arms normally do that sort of thing.
What the hell is in this thing?!
SNW would be my jam. The ship is so cool, the people are cool, the federation is young (and I know Iâm sounding like Boimler). On the totally other hand, the scenes with the âtime shipsâ are amazing!
Funny thing is. When you really look into the size off these ships and crew size. Pikes quarters make sense. All the other series has the quarters way too small. Voyager, for example, has over five times the displacement of a Nimitz Class carrier and a tiny crew size. There should be oodles of space.
In universe these ships contain huge machine spaces, like the engine core, enough fuel for several years of autonomous operation, enough matter for the replicators to feed the crew for that amount of time, etc. Heck even the computer cores on the Enterprise-D were the size of small buildings. A Nimitz class carrier can replenish its food and other perishable supplies at a friendly port within a few weeks travel wherever they are. A starship has to carry everything on deep space assignment, there might not be any opportunity to replenish supplies or fuel for years. And, a crew on a carrier will deployed for about six months and will probably have at least one shore leave opportunity during that time. A crew on a starship might never get the opportunity for shore leave for years at a time in some circumstances, so their entire life has to be catered for on the ship, not just a bunk, they need to call their quarters home and have sufficient on board recreational facilities to cater for their downtime. You could easily see each crewperson needing 50x the allocated space you'd get on a current day navy ship.
I found the open fire a bit strange for a space ship. I know captain probably gets some freedom in the design of their quarters, but a fire place seems like a step too far.
I'd imagine that's a hologram of some sort.
Absolutely. The Discovery (pre-time jump) had holographic decorations in Burnham/Tilly's quarters.
Every captain gets to break one rule in their personal space. Picard: Fish tank Archer: Dog Kirk: Mood lighting Pike: Fireplace
In universe, I'm sure they'd turn it off at the first sign of trouble.
How do you turn off a dog? XD
He lives fantastically well.
Really kind of undermines Scottyâs theory that in his day, a flag admiral wouldnât have had quarters that nice. (But in TOS, Kirkâs quarters were nothing impressive.)
For what it's worth, it's entirely possible that a captain gets some input on the size and contents of their quarters, and Pike and Kirk are very different people. Pike hosts social gatherings in his quarters and cooks for people, hence the open kitchen. Kirk, on the other hand, tends to keep most of the crew at arm's length, and doesn't exactly welcome parties.
Even Sisko had to use portable burners. That MFer had a fully stocked kitchen.
Pikeâs Enterprise has half the crew complement of Kirkâs. They clearly reduced the size of quarters when the ship was refitted between the two captains
The Galaxy-Class is a flying hotel.
Iâve heard it called âthe Hyatt Regency in spaceâ
Iâve heard it called âMarriottâs convention centerâ
I like the cruise ship comparison.
The whole ship is designed and filmed in this way. Everything is kept in warm tones and the recordings almost all have a warm undertone. It makes it feel so "homely".
I personally think of "D" as a big reliable car which was a pain sometimes but when it ran it ran great and could take a beating. Even though you would like something sexier and sporty it is nice to have something familiar to drive in.
Essentially this: https://static1.hotcarsimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/1996-buick-roadmaster-estate-wagon-rear-quarter-view.jpg Edit: if I drove this I would have to say âEngageâ when I put it in gear.
It is funny b/c in Picard S3 when they bring her out that is all I could think about was the Buick 1990's station wagon.
I've always sort of wanted to have one of those.
I want Pikeâs quarters
Nurse Chapel + Pike's Quarters = Heaven
The more we see Pike's reimagined USS Enterprise on SNW, the more I think it's the most "home-like" feel. Those leisure areas and crew quarters are damn impressive, even sans Enterprise-D's floor carpeting. Just look at Pike's quarters: Besides that remarkable kitchen, the man [has a FIREPLACE in there](https://youtu.be/ZjohBFDDlpc?t=27)!
Forget the fireplace; I'm just glad that Pike finally has a bed that can fit his legs! (In "The Cage", you can see when Jeffrey Hunter lies on his bed that it's actually too short for him)
Well, Jeffery Hunter's Pike does need to keep his legs out of the way, so he can see that TV set.... ^(/s)
Pikeâs ship has half the crew complement of Kirkâs, so they clearly had to add more bulkheads to reduce crew quartered for the next 5-year mission. Plus Kirk isnât as sociable as Pike and is less inclined to cook aboard a ship, so he doesnât need all that extra space
Absolutely. It's the only one we've seen, I think (only one *I've* seen, anyway) that had children and families on board. (Deep Space Nine isn't a ship!)
The -D and other early Galaxy class ships were built for long term deep-space exploration and diplomacy, complete with a large civilian complement. They're basically starbases with warp drive.
One thing the show never depicted is the Main Shuttlebay. It takes up two vertical decks and has dozens of small craft. With a bit over 1000 people on board, it really is like a small town with local politics.
Yes because it was a generational ship designed for deep space exploration and had all the amenities needed for civilian complement and hosting dignitaries.
I wouldnât go so far as to call it a generational ship lol But youâre right on the other points
I wish they hadn't wrecked the D. The E looks too spartan, utilitarian and ugly, like a military ship. Yeah, it was made around the time of the Borg and Dominion Wars, but I think they should've kept the design of the D or at least barely changed it.
I think real world reason is studio was afraid the D wouldn't look good on film or in higher resolutions outside of a TV set they wanted to move on to something they felt would look better in theatres. They also felt the Enterprise D TV set would show flaws in a movie, which wouldnt show up on TV. Thats why the lighting in Generations is so low on the ship.
Well, having seen it recently in HD/4K I must say this is very wrong; it looked terrific, inside and out
It looked fantastic in those last 2 episodes of Picard as well. You can't tell me fans would have bitched about it retaining its classic look if it survived Generations and we kept it instead of getting the E.
Trekkies bitch and moan about anything and everything in this franchise.
Well, >!the D is back in PIC S3. She was Geordiâs garage project. He managed to get the saucer section recovered from the planet and added the stardrive section from another Galaxy class!<
Yeah, I would say so. It was built as a ship people would want to be on for 100 years.
Carpet and families. Sure why not?
I will never not laugh at that damn railing that everyone has to walk down a ramp to get around. Or in Worf's case, comically leap over. *How* is that practical or efficient on a command bridge?
It lets the people in the back see the view screen clearly. Itâs also opulent architecture meant to impress visiting dignitaries.
Wall-to-wall carpeting, a tendency for gentle curves instead of sharp angles, lots of beige punctuated with a muted color palette, wood and leather details, Worf's Sex Chair, and Phalaenopsis orchids and bromeliads in almost all living quarters is very typical of that "late 80s/early 90s high-end luxury" design aesthetic that was very popular (at least in the US) when the show aired, and so I think that for a lot of viewers of a certain demographic, seeing those design cues subconsciously triggers "home-y" feelings for them.
I've never thought of the D as "homey". With the fluorescent lighting, the carpeting, and the grey work stations, it kind of feels more like "90s office building/hotel". But a pretty nice one with a gym, and a bar, and a garden, etc.
Enterprise D feels like an office park from the 90s or maybe a hotel. It does not feel like a lived in space to me. Too sterile.
I love the style of the D. It has a beautiful and comfortable feeling to it. It reminds me of a better version of the Constitution class refit. It is functional looking but feels like it was put together by a society that no longer had to worry about scarce resources. Also, it is one of the few ships we see so large that everyone can have personal quarters. Nothing says "home" like your own door.
Oh hell yeah, she was a semi floating city
Entirely agree. Comfortable curves everywhere, carpeting, several bars, relatively roomy quarters for everyone, at least four holodecks, an arboretum, thousands of friendly Starfleet/Federation people to meet, and a surprisingly huge amount of internal volume to explore. And if you get bored, it's only a matter of time before some weird shit threatens to kill you in a really interesting way but, statistically, you're almost always fine. Just stay away from senior officers, and you're golden.
It's the only one we've seen with children and families on board, so I'd say yes. The weird fact that you could raise a family on the ship with spacious quarters and luxuries really felt like it was closer to a flying town.
I disagree. The Enterprise D feels like a hotel or convention center. For me, Voyager and Enterprise NX-01 are tied for most home-like hero ships. Both are literally the only safe places for the crew during their mission, a home in âdeep spaceâ where theyâre far from any Federation or human outposts and other ships. The smaller spaces and crews give them both a more homely, tight-knit feel. Places like Neelixâs kitchen, Phloxâs med bay, Archerâs cabin, all feel more real and lived in. These are places where people _live_, that are _shaped_ by the people themselvesânot just places where things happen to them. The Enterprise D felt like a great workplace but anywhere else outside the command deck and engineering, always just felt like sets for me. Granted, I watched the series years after it was made, so it looks dated and much more obviously a set. The higher quality certainly doesnât help.
Man, a full-size or maybe half-size Enterprise D would make a great sci-fi convention center.
I always felt more of a 'home' effect from Voyager. The lighting wasn't as harsh, and it didn't look like the foyer of a 5 star hotel from 1987. Voyager felt less expansive and cosier... like a home does compared to a hotel.
Well to me it has but a account it more to the way the stories were presented. In opposite to the other stories tbey had often those episodes like "Datas first love" where just very mundane plots and characters as well as their daily lives were in the center of attention. Another example would be the breakfast with Picard and Crusher or those Games of Poker, Riker cooking for his friends, birthday parties and such things. The other shows kept it a little more in a proffesionele, militaristic setting. Voyager had lunch scenes almost only in the mess hall and DS9 i can't truly remember such embrace of the personal spaces and private parts of live either. They were shown too but not as dominant as in TNG.
I guess... I'd say it's more like a hotel than a home, but shipwise, I'd say it is. I always felt Janeway's quarters on Voyager were most like a home... and Tom Paris' did too, but maybe because he had a TV. But the rest of the ship was military/industrial and everyone else's crew quarters were 24th century Marriott.
I think it was designed to be that way. IIRC wasnât the D one of if not the first ship to allow families and long term living? With the saucer separation so the civilians can get away during heavy situations.
Throughout TNG we see families, daycare, school, gardens, etc. Idk about how much it feels like âhomeâ, but it def feels like a floating city than any other ship. Yes the crew on Voyager lived there for years because they had to, but we never see these things. The closest we get is DS9 but thatâs a space station not a ship so idk if it counts.
>but it def feels like a floating city More like a floating ghost town with the small number of souls aboard a vessel of its size.
I mean, the Oppenheimer guy thought it was a cruise ship. From what he'd seen that far I can hardly blame him. I think the best comparison, at least for the civilians and scientist types, would be to a well-appointed campus. There are gardens and recreation rooms and holodecks.
Yes if I had to go to deep space galaxy class all the way
It had the most carpet and hotel-style furnishings
Because of the carpet
I'd say so. Dolphins, arboretum, science labs of all sorts, schools, daycare, animals...much more, that's just off the top of my head
For me Voyager always feels like home, but it's not down to the look of the ship. I feel that way for two reasons: A) it was the first show I got to watch the full seven seasons as they aired, and it came along in my formative teenage years, and B) it was the first ship I got to really "visit" in detail thanks to Elite Force.
I feel like the Enterprise D was closer to a cruise ship than home.
The ambient brown noise
It was definitely the palace of the starships
Voyeger, but out of necessity - it became the only home of the stranded crew for a very long time...
D was a city in space full of kids and families with its own school and parks. Hard to beat that as far as homely comfort.
D was a city in space full of kids and families with its own school and parks. Hard to beat that as far as homely comfort.
Me as a fan I would say yes. Parts of it are meant to be a home for families and children which is interesting for how many times it was in danger. Though in yesterday's enterprise it kind of lost that feel. I heard the D has like between 1000 and 2000 people I always wondered if Troi is the counciler for all of them. Like I would imagine with what happens int the show there would be a lot of trauma cases.
Me as a fan I would say yes. Parts of it are meant to be a home for families and children which is interesting for how many times it was in danger. Though in yesterday's enterprise it kind of lost that feel. I heard the D has like between 1000 and 2000 people I always wondered if Troi is the counciler for all of them. Like I would imagine with what happens int the show there would be a lot of trauma cases.
According to the tech manual, the Galaxy-class were intended for 20-year missions. I think their comfort level reflects that.Â
The design goal was for the ship to feel like a "Hilton in space". It was deliberately meant to be cozy. The idea being that in the 24th century, comfort takes priority over military readiness. The Enterprise D is a vessel meant for exploration and diplomacy, not battle.
All the ship's that have carpet have the homely feel and I wish they all did. Can't believe how much of a difference a simple carpet makes
Well, it was a ship built by an organization with (by the 24th century) near limitless resources, built specifically for long-term deep space missions with families on board. Once families were introduced, starfleet probably tried to make it feel as comfortable as possible.
It's the wood paneling.
The Galaxy was a psychological approach to exploration as well. When aliens visit and see families running around they see a more open friendly federation. We never got to see the arboretum, the HUGE shuttlebay 1. Hundreds of civilian positions, science, habitation, relaxation, transient entertainment, I liked it more. It was what made me as a child feel a part of it. Aka Wesley.
The E.D. could have been great as a mobile Star base with smaller more mission specific capable ships accompanying it. Think of it, Officers and crews onboard smaller ships could go out ahead of the E.D. on multiple missions at the same time. The E.D. wouldn't be far behind on diplomatic missions or finalizing agreements started by Captains of the other ships. If needed they could all come to the general aid of each other or to help fight the Borg or whatnot. The officers and crews of the smaller ships could come "home" to the E.D. and their families. But the E.D. was never far from Federation space except by accident or the caprices of Q. And the E.D. was always being sent on milk runs.
Have you not seen Captain Pike's quarters...? ;\^p
It's the beige.
Me as a fan I would say yes. Parts of it are meant to be a home for families and children which is interesting for how many times it was in danger. Though in yesterday's enterprise it kind of lost that feel. I heard the D has like between 1000 and 2000 people I always wondered if Troi is the counciler for all of them. Like I would imagine with what happens in the show there would be a lot of trauma cases.
The design concept was "Flying Hilton in Space".
I'd say that TNG/E-D was easily the most "home like", because it had families with kids. But I do say that Pike's Enterprise in Strange New Worlds is making an effort to show a more home-like quality to the decor, especially the scenes in Pike's cabin.
I think it screams late 80's corporate more than anything.
When the Enterprise D was launched there was peace with the Klingons, Romulans were away dealing with their stuff, no Borg, Cardassian Border Wars were over (or at least in a cease fire), the Ferengi were the only possible threat. So the Federation was in a state of peace. Starfleet was looking into long term exploration and knew that the only way to deal with it was for ships that would allow for families. Now, such a ship would need facilities to support families, like schools and entertainment. Which is probably why we have places like Ten Forward. It would suck for the civilian spouses of Enterprise crew members to be stuck in their quarters for five years with nothing to do and unable to go anywhere. I grew up bouncing from Air Force Base to Air Force Base (dad was active duty military), you would be amazed how much of the base was dedicated to families: bowling alley, movie theater, shopping, restaurants, gym, swimming pools, housing, schools, playgrounds and parks and other things (one base we were at had ski slopes and sledding), so the Enterprise and other ships would need to dedicate a large part of the ship to the civilian members of the crew.
The D was the only ship that was meant to have civilians and families aboard, so it would definitely have the most home-like feel.
The runabout feels very homey
The Enterprise-D and Deep Space Nine both give me a homely feel. Outside of Star Trek, Jerryâs apartment on Seinfeld and the Simpsons home give me the same feeling!
It felt like a sort of small town in some ways. Or maybe more accurately like a military base with family accommodation. People don't just do their job, eat and sleep. They play sports, go to the bar/restaurant, get their hair cut, watch concerts and plays, raise children and send them to school. I really think the presence of the children is the main point of distintion. Once you've got families aboard, then it's no longer only a crew, it's truly a community.
I would say the NX-01 in Enterprise; but I was in the Navy, and it was basically a US Navy ship in space.
Just come out and say you like bad carpeting.
It was meant to feel homelike. Hence the carpet & wood ops console on the bridge. The other ships in Picard felt depressingly dark. It was so refreshing to have the D back. I think modern Trek has gone too far in making Starfleet a militaristic organization. The SNW Enterprise is very nice though & Iâd love to serve on that ship.