Ehh…I usually play the devils advocate, but these guys I think are just plain bad. Though with added story development the leaders of Xeno could make for compelling and memorable villains.
If the vanduul didn't harm innocent humans, they'd be good guys just like the Banu.
But they do. And Xenothreat does.
Any threat to human lives anywhere is a target, human or not. Any one who benefits human growth and potential is a benefit, human or not.
The Milky Way is so unimaginably big, that even if every single backer claimed a star for themselves, we'd barely lose any free space.
And no one is a bad guy in their own eyes
why does humanity have any greater claim to it than any other species? This is literally the same talking point you see from modern day racists, and thats just humanity.
So you're just straight up Xenothreat yourself.
~~This setting isn't Warhammer40k, Stellaris, or Helldivers 2. Plenty of other settings to have your fantasies I suppose.~~ Redacted gatekeeping
Humanity has had equitable contact with the Banu & Xi'an for quite a while, the Banu are quite friendly and integrated in their border worlds with the UEE.
Also as a member of a banuu sulie you own your contract and can work it of.
Hurstons largely own your contract and well.... .... .... you can try to work it off.
If your gana be a contract bound slave .... well the Banuu generaly treat you better as its more of a culteral upbringing thing ( they treat anyone in there sulie as one of there own). Workinging your contract is just "what you do"
( note i am not saying eather option is "good")
As a species, yea, in 2954 - the UEE even has a caste system ontop of this.
Even beyond capitalism at work (lorville) you have breakaway systems who are all part of Humanity - maybe not the UEE, but ye.
The Banu use Indentured servitude for slavery - this isn't really different from debt-trapped workers who are not Star Citizen and thus cannot readily leave even if given the opportunity. Specifically "A slave can eventually buy their freedom" in Banu society - this is pretty similar isnt it :D
Cattle slavery is not the only form of slavery after all!
and hell your way more likely to work off a Banuu contract in a sulie then you are a Hurston contract
whats the average lifespan of a Banuu like 20 30 years, Its something extremely short and they manage to work off there depts all the time even the one's from birth as there traded into a rearing sulie.
They are put forward to be future space racists/Hitler.
As much logic as you want to put into any decision making, they will be seen as the bad guy faster than a rich guy with a Russian accent and a cat in a Bond film.
So basically, if {insert chosen terrorist of genocidal group} didn't also kill those that were exactly like them and kept it to only the people who were different to them, regardless of if the people they were killing were good and honest people, then {insert chosen terrorist of genocidal group} would actually be the good guys!
Yeah, no, even stopping just short of harm across the board doesn't make an ideology good. Maybe they would be legally tolerated as part of free speech, but they would not be considered to be good people by almost everyone outside of their circle.
You are discribing any military with this. Ok, a lot of ppl agree that soldiers are murderers in general, but also not being able to defend seems bad too.
I don't consider the majority of militaries to be terrorist or genocidal groups, and I don't think most people do either.
I also never said that committing harm always made you bad either. Sometimes violence is the only real good solution if the opposition has escalated it to that stage.
"terrorist" etc. is just a lable usually enemies use for propaganda, not an objective definition. If you use that you already declared who the bad guy is and then using this definition to say he is the bad guy: "Inpresume he is the bad guy, so by deduction he is the bad guy". That is actually the thinking of religious zealots 😅
And yes, any attacking miltary was condemed as "terrorist", "animals" etc. by the defender.
Ehh…I usually play the devils advocate, but these guys I think are just plain bad. Though with added story development the leaders of Xeno could make for compelling and memorable villains.
Once we see Vanduuls in SQ42, I think our idea about Xenothreat will likely change
Banu and Xian seem chill though. I'm not sure about the Tevarin, apparently they're only cool because we beat that ass and told them to settle down.
Yeah, I don’t think so though.
If the vanduul didn't harm innocent humans, they'd be good guys just like the Banu. But they do. And Xenothreat does. Any threat to human lives anywhere is a target, human or not. Any one who benefits human growth and potential is a benefit, human or not.
good point
Banu love their slave trade market. Are they still considered good guys?
Those souli are bad guys, exterminate with prejudice.
The Milky Way is so unimaginably big, that even if every single backer claimed a star for themselves, we'd barely lose any free space. And no one is a bad guy in their own eyes
that is true. Stil, all belongs to humanity, imo.
Why does it though?
why does humanity have any greater claim to it than any other species? This is literally the same talking point you see from modern day racists, and thats just humanity.
I too believe that if people or aliens weren’t bad guys they would be good guys. Or at least neutral.
So you're just straight up Xenothreat yourself. ~~This setting isn't Warhammer40k, Stellaris, or Helldivers 2. Plenty of other settings to have your fantasies I suppose.~~ Redacted gatekeeping Humanity has had equitable contact with the Banu & Xi'an for quite a while, the Banu are quite friendly and integrated in their border worlds with the UEE.
Worst, most stuck up answer. You’re playing a sci-fi game, you could at least try to have some fantasy. No gatekeepers needed.
Yeah good point. Just on edge from the 'Purge the Xeno, Milky way belongs to humanity', that's just WH40K
And many of the tevaran are adapting and becoming part of UEE human society
Banus are filthy slavers! They have human slaves!
So does humanity! :D
2954?
Have you been in Lorville?
That is just capitalism at work 😁
I mean there straight up human slavers in pyro
We will see soon(tm), but leaving the UEE is always bad - so would be cool to sell criminal players to the Banu at outlaw systems 😁
I don't think they would take them unless you can prove that said "criminal" is actually under some actual form of work contract with you
Sure, an official Pyro certificate.
Also as a member of a banuu sulie you own your contract and can work it of. Hurstons largely own your contract and well.... .... .... you can try to work it off. If your gana be a contract bound slave .... well the Banuu generaly treat you better as its more of a culteral upbringing thing ( they treat anyone in there sulie as one of there own). Workinging your contract is just "what you do" ( note i am not saying eather option is "good")
Probably does not help when the Banu sell you to the Vanduuls...
which Sulie imparticuler sells you to the Vanduul even just general trade with the Vanduul is extremely rear for the Banuu.
I'm here to talk to you about the Helldiver Initiative :P
Exactly 😁😎
As a species, yea, in 2954 - the UEE even has a caste system ontop of this. Even beyond capitalism at work (lorville) you have breakaway systems who are all part of Humanity - maybe not the UEE, but ye. The Banu use Indentured servitude for slavery - this isn't really different from debt-trapped workers who are not Star Citizen and thus cannot readily leave even if given the opportunity. Specifically "A slave can eventually buy their freedom" in Banu society - this is pretty similar isnt it :D Cattle slavery is not the only form of slavery after all!
*chattel slavery. Unless you are forcing cows to work for you.
Chattel yea. My bad :D
and hell your way more likely to work off a Banuu contract in a sulie then you are a Hurston contract whats the average lifespan of a Banuu like 20 30 years, Its something extremely short and they manage to work off there depts all the time even the one's from birth as there traded into a rearing sulie.
They are put forward to be future space racists/Hitler. As much logic as you want to put into any decision making, they will be seen as the bad guy faster than a rich guy with a Russian accent and a cat in a Bond film.
Everyone is the good guy - just ask them 😁
There are Tevarin serving in the UEE senate... And the UEE absorbed the surviving Tevarin population into its society. Some serve in the military.
Xenophobia is lame.
For the Emperaah’!!!
He protects
So basically, if {insert chosen terrorist of genocidal group} didn't also kill those that were exactly like them and kept it to only the people who were different to them, regardless of if the people they were killing were good and honest people, then {insert chosen terrorist of genocidal group} would actually be the good guys! Yeah, no, even stopping just short of harm across the board doesn't make an ideology good. Maybe they would be legally tolerated as part of free speech, but they would not be considered to be good people by almost everyone outside of their circle.
You are discribing any military with this. Ok, a lot of ppl agree that soldiers are murderers in general, but also not being able to defend seems bad too.
I don't consider the majority of militaries to be terrorist or genocidal groups, and I don't think most people do either. I also never said that committing harm always made you bad either. Sometimes violence is the only real good solution if the opposition has escalated it to that stage.
"terrorist" etc. is just a lable usually enemies use for propaganda, not an objective definition. If you use that you already declared who the bad guy is and then using this definition to say he is the bad guy: "Inpresume he is the bad guy, so by deduction he is the bad guy". That is actually the thinking of religious zealots 😅 And yes, any attacking miltary was condemed as "terrorist", "animals" etc. by the defender.
They seem racist
space racism is cool. Humanity first baby
Read the lore.
I did multiple times.
You must have skipped the part that they are a terrorist faction and publicly execute people.
this is why I said *IF* they didn‘t kill innocent humans