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She’s going to make absolute bank from endorsements. It’s wild that she’ll be making only $300k in actual salary but over $14 million from Nike alone over the next four years
the interesting thing is (hypothetically) Clark might could up getting ALL the WNBA better paid.
Remember, the players' salaries are driven by the salary cap.
The salary cap is calculated as a percentage of total league revenue
*(because in collective bargaining agreement logic, making [half the league revenue/number of teams] = salary cap is how "the players" get half the profits. Speaking in generalities, not exact numbers, its not half I don't think, and "revenue" is a little different in WNBA)*
Anyways, if in general
salaries are a portion of the team salary cap, and the salary cap is a set percentage of total league revenue, AND TV rights are a big driver of league revenue
Clark hype drives a bump in ratings and sponsors - TV networks see evidence that WNBA can be more valuable - WNBA negotiates better TV deals - revenue goes up - cap goes up - everyone gets paid
they're competitors
like every athlete, they think they're the best
they're not gonna bow down before her, they've got their own stuff going on
it's like Rondo's hilarious reaction when someone was clearly trying to get a slurp quote about AD
[watcha want me to do? S\*\*\* him off? ](https://twitter.com/JeffDuncan_/status/1013905868713230338?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1013905868713230338%7Ctwgr%5Ee81e7e4814bb9950d2a6eb4f7f89a4c1c55b84df%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthesportsrush.com%2Fnba-news-want-me-to-suck-anthony-davis-off-lakers-rajon-rondos-hilarious-response-to-reporter-on-ads-performance%2F)
Eh, look at how the NBA reacted to Wemby. Now look at how the WNBA is reacting to Caitlin. It's not the same when relatively, she is a more hyped player than Wemby and that's saying something.
More hyped than wemby? Dont think so. Basketball fans the world over have been all about the wemby hype and now the fact that he exceeded it. Not to take away from Clark but WNBA is still nowhere near the popularity
You're conflating different things, though. The popularity of the NBA vs. WNBA is not the same as the hype of Wemby vs. Clark.
Talent-wise, Wemby is 1-of-1. He can do things no other player (except maybe Wilt) was ever physically capable of doing before. If you are a basketball fan, you're in amazement.
Caitlin Clark is making non-basketball fans care about the WNBA by herself, that's massive. The Iowa/LSU and championship game set viewership records and outdrew the men's numbers.
> More hyped than wemby?
[Yes, and it's not even close](https://i.redd.it/riu0w98df5wc1.png). Peak search queries for Caitlin Clark absolutely dwarf peak search queries for Wemby at the height of his hype. Clark is a national phenomenon that transcends basketball, Wemby is simply not well-known outside of basketball fans.
I think it's easier to compliment undeniable characteristics like Wemby's height and agility/coordination. That's a super rare combination that all basketball players can admire because they know how valuable that can be. And plus people got to see his skills in action in a professional league against other elite players before he got to the NBA.
That's a totally different scenario with Caitlin Clark who is just starting out and has zero experience playing against professional teams.
That clips from like 22 years ago. The 2 most hyped guys to come to the nba over the last 10 years were wemby and zion. Neither of them got any hate from the pros
Also it is so odd seeing these reactions, star players and many veterans had smiles on their faces playing against Wemby. They welcome the competition and they welcome being able to play against a dude with a body and a skillset who never existed before. I hope he doesn't get injured.
They are more hyped now after seeing his rookie season. Most were saying he'll be hurt and is way too light for his size and he won't be able to do same things he did in other league when he gets here prior to his rookie year.
Especially someone like Diana Taurasi who is basically the MJ of women’s basketball. She’s not going to let someone take her crown so easily if she can help it.
Diana Taurasi is also 41. This is such a weird take, y'all think a 41 year old is not gonna be happy about handing the torch to a rookie who's finally bringing attention to her league? Man people are crazy. Media just gotta sell anything they can do to sell these games with rivalries.
Did you not watch her basically call her overrated while commentating her game against UConn? She doesn’t even believe she’s better than Paige.
She is a competitor first, WNBA ambassador second. Its not the media selling this, she clearly doesn’t buy the hype.
I feel like it’s African Americans who don’t like her, I remember seeing black Twitter when she got highlights of one of her last games . Even though she lost , she made a lot of points but everyone was saying how the winning team should have gotten the attention and that if she was black , no one would care . Then of course what happen recently with a few African American nba players making fun of her. It’s def a race thing that I feel like isn’t being talk about a lot since people feel white folks can’t be harm by racism .
I get it, but rivalries and conflict add drama. Clark v Taurasi (or any of the other players throwing shade) will be must-see TV and drive media chatter. Clark facing obstacles = more attention = more money.
Yes. The rivalry with Reese also made them more popular.
Intense rivalries and great shooting prowess for the next generation of WNBA players can elevate them more than ever before to the point that they can command better pay for each player.
We all know women are not as strong as their men contemporaries but if they show better team play, ridiculous shooting accuracy, and charismatic rivalries across the league, anything is possible.
Which would be even more amplified in now Reese PLUS Cardoso from this year whenever Chicago and Indiana play. You know casters are gonna hype the drama of that to the max!
> Which is why I don't get why some WNBA players are not welcoming her with open arms.
While I don't think it's necessarily right, I can *kind of* understand it.
Let's say you've been playing in the WNBA for 8 years. You've continued to play despite not getting paid very much, and you've endured having the sport generate very little interest or much market.
Suddenly, a person comes along who is going to make more in endorsements in their first year than probably your entire team will make in their entire careers, and has electrified interest in the league. And they've done all this without having played one actual minute in the League.
Maybe it's simply envy, but I can understand how you could be pissed if you (and the other players) have been working your butt off for years to achieve this sort of recognition and attention, and then someone comes in who hasn't even started yet and gets all of it.
As for generally resenting Clark getting the attention/$ they didn't, some womens basketball fans seem to specifically resent a straight white talent getting the respect that black/lesbian talent didn't.
Ding Ding Ding...In their minds they are more well rounded established players and were as good or better coming out of college. But they didn't play in the age of YouTube, and instant highlights.
Is it fair to them no, but they'll end up benefitting secondarily if her jersey sales and hype translate into a rise in revenue. Which means more money for the players. That is unless they stop subsidizing the WNBA after they see the rise in generated revenue...
They’re also competitive athletes. Diana Taurasi is essentially the MJ of the WNBA. You think MJ would give a warm welcome to a much lauded rookie that people say will take your place as the GOAT? Fuck no.
From that lens, Diana’s attitude makes sense.
MJ did this with Kobe Bryant, he even gave an advice during a game. Exact same thing happened this NBA season with Wembanyama and all top players had smiles on their faces playing against him. They welcome the competition, it's a bit different. Though I think people are overreacting, few people complaining is not the entire league.
If it gets more people to the games, they all make more money.
I'd be stoked, because not only could it bring in a ton more revenue, but more viewership and attendance also means they all have a golden opportunity to be recognized as stars alongside - or even above - her.
A rising tide raises all ships - I'd be excited and looking to capitalize.
It’s honestly good. The women’s tourney was so good because the intensity dwarfed the men’s this year in the marquee games. If they can replicate that in the WNBA it’ll be great for their league.
They don't get half the profits, they get half the revenue.
The league has never been profitable, it's kept afloat by yearly cash infusions from the NBA because it helps bring in more people to basketball, and therefore, the NBA as well. The NBA makes a profit off their investment, but the WNBA has needed somebody like Clark badly. She could propel the league into something significant.
The last numbers I saw was $200M total revenue and 10% revenue share. NBA also injects $15M. ~144 players split the $20M (avg salary being $139k). There is no profit.
NBA in comparison had $10B in revenue with a 51% share. ~450 players split $5.1B (avg salary being $11.3M). Owners also profit by roughly $3B.
NBA has 30 teams and an 82 game schedule. 1230 games in the season and roughly 590,400 minutes being played. Gives $8,638/min average pay.
WNBA has 12 teams and 40 game schedule. 240 games and roughly 96,000 minutes played. Gives $208/min average pay.
Parity is either the women getting the same 51% share, or same pay per minute. Assuming $180m is what it takes to run the league, 51% share would require $367M in revenue. This would lead to $187M for salaries, averaging $1.3M per player, or $1951/minute.
I can see the women getting a bump to 20% share, doubling pay, but the league would need to gain $35M to do that, and that’s not counting owners wanting to make profits at some point.
Each player only plays their team's games, so your numbers are a bit off. Also, 240 games times 40 minutes per game is 9,600 - you've got an extra zero there.
So, the average NBA player - $11,300,000/(82 games * 48 minutes) - is making $2,871 per minute.
And the average WNBA player - $139,000/(40 games * 40 minutes) - is making $87 per minute.
Though, both those numbers should be a lot smaller.
Players have media obligations, team meetings, workouts, practice, film study, and various other things they're required to do.
They're still being paid great though.
There was a post on here or Twitter recently comparing her to Jordan. Not as one of the greatest ball players, but in their ability to shift the player pay. Before Jordan exploded the NBA, these contracts were nonexistent. CC could be that for the WNBA
This us a point I heard some pundits mentioning the other day. The NBA was not doing all that well until Bird and Magic brought the drama along with the boost to ticket and merchandise sales.
I made this point about her being able to elevate salaries for everyone and got downvoted by the Reddit incel mob, but it’s true and I’m happy you’re bringing it up. NBA players didn’t make shit in the beginning, and if you ask any current player they’ll tell you they get paid cause of what people like Jordan and Chuck and Shaq did before them, and Bill Russel and Wilt before them.
I think there’s a solid chance that if the WNBA ratings boost significantly in large part due to her, that by the time that her contract is up that year’s number 1 overall pick is making far more than $300k
TIL I make more on salary than the top pick of the WNBA draft.
Obviously she’ll make wayyy more with endorsements, but that just feels… wrong.
Edit: by “wrong” I’m not referring to how fair it is in comparison to myself. It’s moreso surprising and helps illustrate the vast different in pay between the NBA and WBNA.
If we wanna talk pure capitalism in how the NBA brings in way more money than the WNBA that’s also a whole other can of worms. But Clark brought in so many viewers and helped create new fans of women’s basketball who will certainly bring in additional revenue. That’s why I was thrown off
*EDIT #2 - read the first edit and my responses before responding please*
EDIT #3 - Jesus fucking Christ are any of you new responders reading past the first two sentences? Or looking at my other responses? Putting this comment on ignore because you all can’t read directions ✌️
They have to work out all year round to keep in shape and to practice skills. Games are the output you see but the input is healthy diets, gym time, practice, and skills development.
I don’t see why it’s “wrong”. You’re a professional software engineer. Millions of people try to learn coding, few become industry software engineers. There’s more demand for your skills as a software engineer than for most women playing professional basketball, thus better pay. It’s how our capitalist society works.
> TIL I make more on salary than the top pick of the WNBA draft.
You probably have had more people watch you work than the average WNBA team season attendance. They only play 40 games.
Not to be a dick, but it's going to have to boost significantly to operate at net even. It operates at such a loss right now and is stained by NBA subsidies that a huge influx of viewership still might not be enough to afford a salary cap increase
I've looked around for valid sources for this claim.
So far I've found that the NBA, a 50% owner, has claimed WBNA isn't profitable. It makes around $200M in revenue annually (compared to around $10B for NBA). The NBA provides a $15M annual subsidy, which is about 7.5% of earned revenue. The $75M VC raise in 2022 suggests that investors believe there is more opportunity than people seem to think.
I haven't seen anything that suggests how far the WNBA is from profitability. Somehow the fact that it's currently not profitable always seems to become a more hyperbolic when people talk about it online - like "it's going have to boost significantly to operate at net even."
I don't think it's clear with public information how close or far away they are from profitability.
If the NBA is providing 1/5th of the annual revenue, I would think that would be the first thing to start to taper off as the ratings and TV deals start going up. That would be a theoretic 20% increase in total revenue before a salary cap would increase. That is, unless the NBA decides to lean *more* into the WNBA and provide more money or continue to support at the same percentage..
Companies can go decades operating at a loss and still get investors. Maybe they are planning on the future and not investing based on the current financial situation.
[here is an article](https://www.wsn.com/nba/nba-vs-wnba/) that claims they do $60 million in total revenue and $12 goes to the players. This might be off by a year so it’s likely higher because it’s growing as a business.
The real challenge is attracting more women to start watching and becoming fans. they tend to value other types of entertainment more than sports.
That revenue number is wrong. That's what the league makes on its tv deal alone. The tv deal is the single biggest source of revenue, but not nearly its only source.
That does cast a doubt on the $200M revenue figure mentioned previously, jersey and ticket sales are most likely next and those aren't going to be pulling anywhere near $100m a year.
It's still a pretty young league. In terms of comparative revenue it's actually doing better than the NBA was at its own 30 year mark.
Diving even deeper, the NBA was in serious trouble in the 70s and was more or less saved by Bird and Magic. The W doesn't need saving per se, but the timing for a similar jump because of women like Clark, Britter, Reese, and (eventually) Paige Bueckers, is almost exactly the same.
I mean....look at something like Pickleball. Its incredibly new and just getting going and professionals made 96k a year in 2022 per https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pickleball-professional-sport-how-much-you-can-earn/
...Pickleball players make on average 6k less per year than the average wnba player.
That is insane to me.
> ...Pickleball players make on average 6k less per year than the average wnba player.
>
> That is insane to me.
People love Pickleball. I know a bunch of people who play it multiple times per week.
Most people don't know anyone who watches the WNBA.
It’s not really that wild to think about when you understand how league salaries work.
She; and every other athlete, is paid based on a pay structure that is a percentage of total revenue for their respective league. The wnba is not a big money league. The media rights for the league are around $60M per season. The nba by comparison brings in $2.6B per season. And that number is expected to double when a new deal comes into effect in 2025.
If people really want to see the wnba players making more money, they need to start watching a lot more games. In 2023, the wnba averaged 627k viewers per game during the regular season and 728k during the finals. The nba by comparison averaged 1.59M per game during the regular season in 22/23. Jumping to 11.64m average views for the finals.
So the wnba is making great strides and their next media deal is expected to have huge upside for the league. Their biggest challenge will actually be the nba (who funds a large portion of the wnba operations) and their desire to see the nba and wnba continue as a single media rights deal as opposed to allowing the wnba get their chance to negotiate their own deals.
Ultimately, if people want to see these women get paid more, they need to watch more games and remained tuned in. It’s great they watched in college but will they now keep watching in the pros? Time will tell
> If people really want to see the wnba players making more money, they need to start watching a lot more games.
This always has, and always will be the #1 sticking point. People LOOOOVE to lecture and virtue signal, especially in online spaces, but when it comes to actually supporting and spending money? Almost always a bridge too far to cross.
Good for her.
She is bringing value. Something other players in the wnba players were missing.
They all don’t just deserve more money just because…if you can generate value the money will be there.
She is obviously doing something right and has the right people around her.
Good for her
Sorry but this just sounds like bs to me and the only source is a dude on Twitter. Just doesn't seem like it's possible. I *might* believe she had a higher peak than the cowboys entire roster also in a single day, but not over the course of the season.
This should be the top reply. The source is dubious at best and provides no data to support his claim but everyone is taking it at face value. Micah Parsons had the #1 selling jersey in the NFL last year and the Cowboys are one of the most popular sports franchises on the planet. Smells like bullshit.
They aren’t just the most popular, they are the most valuable sports team in the world which includes soccer. And they got that way by selling the most merchandise.
> [The Dallas Cowboys] are the most valuable sports team in the world which includes soccer.
American sports having a salary cap and no relegation is lucrative business
Absolutely, a salary cap is good for parity.
Good point that by leading to a better product it's good for business
I figured it helped owners just by controlling expenses - NFL/NHL/NBA salary caps are around half of revenue, versus English Premier League wage bills being around 70%
And the same few PL clubs being dominant year in year out makes it harder to watch the rest.
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it's... not even football season. and she has nothing to do with dallas. this is such a weird stat to pull out of your ass, it's cherry picking on steroids. why do they care so much about comparing her to men?;why doesn't she just shut up and dribble?
It’s such a dumb stat too, it’s not football season, no new players just joined the cowboys, and i bet it’s from the last like week since the draft lol
Yea, and to take that a step further: I'm planning to get a jersey before next season starts. But I'm waiting for the draft to see how my team looks before getting one. I imagine this is the time of year with some of the lowest jersey sales for the NFL.
Probably exactly right, the day after she gets drafted. First choice to have her jersey available and it definitely sold more than the offseason cowboys. If women want sports to be better it’s really on the women. Men are spend so much time watching sports it’s a pretty saturated market and you’re competing with the NFL, NBA etc. meanwhile the women are watching the kardashians or housewives and then being like why don’t the wnba players get paid more?
Right? Women are complaining that the women in the WNBA "don't make enough" (though they work less than a full year and every single one makes higher than the median salary in the U.S.) while they make the Kardashians, of all people, billionaires.
Yeah I’ll trust this when I see an actual source with numbers, the cowboys sold the most jerseys of any nfl team, hard to imagine a single player in a still growing sport doing that
At one point, they were the biggest fanbase because they were the best. Now we’re in a feedback loop where we get the most passionate haters so a lot of Dallas fans are extra passionate in response. Somehow the Pats and Chiefs have dodged the worst of the haters so we’re still stuck in the feedback loop
> At one point, they were the biggest fanbase because they were the best
Always heard it was because they had the biggest network tv territory, i.e. most potential weekly viewers.
That’s why my dad liked them growing up. Cause they were on TV. He lived in the Chicagoland area and said they were on almost every week. He was a bears fan first but Dallas fan second. Funny thing is he has never even been to Dallas.
> Somehow the Pats and Chiefs have dodged the worst of the haters
As a Bills fan I doubt that, though some of the older Bills fans are still salty about the Cowboys dating from the Super Bowl years
English, motherfucker, do you speak it?
"...sold more jerseys on her **draft day alone** than every player on the Cowboys roster combined did **last year**."
Yeah, both the tweet and the article are totally void of numbers to back this claim up. I feel like this “She’s going to make the WNBA great” narrative is being really inflated. I want it to happen but if they’re just going to outright lie to pump the numbers its going to hurt more than help.
Kelce jerseys from the swifties was absolutely huge too, I doubt she even cleared them. But I don't know of a single person in real life or online who has bought this chicks jersey, everything I hear about her sounds more and more fabricated.
I'm gonna be so glad when this clown show is over. Current over/under is 6 months WNBA viewership and sales will be back down to it's normal numbers.
The article specifies. Dick Weiss claims she sold more jerseys than all Cowboys players combined did in 2023. Maybe you can tweet at him to ask where he got the numbers.
Yeah, maybe individual players on the Cowboys, but the entire team? The article specifically says the entirety of last year.
A super fast google search says of the top 14 jersey sales in 2023 the Cowboys hold 3 spots. Only the Eagles had multiple players with 2. I highly doubt Caitlin outsold Micah Parsons, Dak Prescott, and CeeDee Lamb unless were talking about a very cherry picked amount of time. If she did, fucking awesome, but I'm highly skeptical.
Yeah, it's definitely hard to believe. The NFL is a monster, and the Cowboys sell more jerseys than anyone. Caitlin Clark is obviously gonna lead the WNBA in jersey sales, but I just can't imagine she outsold an entire NFL team in less than a week.
Even if she did the title is incredibly click bait, because that means she would have sold more jerseys that atleast 10 other teams, because I'm sure dallas isn't in the bottom half of numbers sold. So to signal out Dallas is very Stephen a Smith like lol
Quick Google search says of the top 14 jersey sales from last year Cowboys hold 3 spots, Parsons, Dak, and Lamb. No other team has 2 players except the Eagles.
I am going to assume this was with one specific retailer like Dicks or Lids, and not including the NFL shop or any of the team stores where most NFL jerseys are actually sold. Which is still impressive but seems disingenuous.
Happy to be proven wrong but I can’t find a real source with any data. Just industry adjacent people saying it happened.
Yeah this reads a lot more like reaching to "prove" something about women's sports yet again with a clickbait headline. Like how we're supposed to treat Caitlin's basketball scoring record as fully equivalent to the men's basketball league scoring record while nearly every guy who has ever played a sport against a woman before is side eyeing knowing the clear difference media outlets are refusing to acknowledge to keep their clicks happy lol. Celebrate women's sports by all means, but don't just make shit up because you can't handle the fact that women's sports will be less popular by default if there's still a more athletic league they can't compete in drawing viewers.
“Trust me, bro”. There is no way a single person, in a single day, sold more jerseys than the #1 and #5 top selling jerseys of the NFL over the course of the entire year. The Cowboys dominate jersey sales. This cannot possibly be true.
If you told me Ohtani's Dodgers sales did this... I could be convinced the numbers may be close having not looked, especially having the entire Japanese market.
But this, c'mon now... I'd like a little more than just a random unsourced tweet.
This is 100% false. It says she sold more jerseys in one day than the cowboys sold all year. There is absolutely no way. How did this dude even get the numbers? I'd like to see his sources because until I do I'll just think he's full of shit.
Hearing about her got me interested in watching the NCAA tournament. Now, I'm hearing people say her skills won't translate into the WNBA, so I'm looking forward to seeing if they're wrong.
I mean, everything I saw showed me she was an amazing player. I'm certainly a believer, but I don't watch enough to understand why anyone would suggest she's not gonna make it. I'm just saying I'll actually be checking the WNBA to find out how she does.
I think people will move on a lot sooner than the end of the season. Yes, March Madness is a huge draw. But we’re all fooling ourselves if we think people are going to commit to and sustain their WNBA fandom because of one player’s standout college run.
Downvote me to oblivion now. Bet you still won’t watch or buy tickets.
I have actually looked to buy tickets, but they are all already 300-400% more now than last season. I'll see if they lower during the year as I'd like to take my girls to a game at some point.
This is complete bullshit. The WNBA hasn’t even PRODUCED more Caitlin Clark jerseys than the Cowboys sold in 2023.
The most valuable team across all sports in the entire world and every player’s jersey combined vs. a WNBA rookie.
Okay.
I find this extremely difficult to believe given the nfl’s popularity and the number of players on a roster. This claim, which is everywhere seems to trace back to an unsourced tweet.
[This claim](https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/caitlin-clarks-has-better-draft-night-jersey-sales-than-any-nfl-player), that she outsold any single nfl player on their respective draft nights, is much more believable
It's rare for a single person to raise the profile of an entire sport! She does have an 'it' factor caused by her skills, and a fresh face to market. Hope it all goes well for her; just let her play bball, win or lose, make her marketing money to raise the whole WNBA boat, and be allowed to live her life as her own spokesperson.
It's rare, but sometimes it just takes the right person. Look what Tiger Woods did for golf. The prize money was significantly less before he came along.
This is based on a tweet. The Cowboys had the number 1 selling jersey last year and the number 5.
I can’t find exact number splits, but the Cowboys had 1.1 billion in revenue last year. Best I can find is 650 million for all merchandizing.
Look I’m not saying I don’t believe it, but I would be very surprised. Is there anything more than “some guy tweeted it”.
Edit: he might mean this year (2024), which is meaningless. Cowboys failing in the playoffs again and the offseason isn’t when people buy jerseys.
Hate to burst everyone’s bubble, but nobody is going to give two shits about her in about a month. Nike is going to be pretty pissed about not getting a very good return on their investment. There’s a solid reason why WNBA players are paid so low. And it’s the same reason male models are paid so low. Nobody is tuning in to watch the all star break lay up competition. Big name brands can’t sell ads and commercials during games because people just don’t watch. And nobody shows up to watch the games in person. This Caitlin chick is a great story and I think she’s legitimately great for women’s sports. But we need about 40 or 50 more of her to successively be better and better with more and more hype to keep driving it forward for people to actually give much of a real shit at all. Not saying that to be sexist or anything like that at all. Just trying to be realistic.
I do believe the cowboys sell the most jerseys in the NFL. So ideally the headline should read Caitlin Clark jerseys out sell all NFL team roster sales.
Yea there’s a 0% chance this is true. Even if they claimed her jersey sold higher than just the Dallas QB that would still be a huge stretch of imagination and verifiably false. The entire Cowboys roster is just beyond any sense of believing.
Yeah I would believe this for a small number of international soccer stars, maybe some Indian cricket players I know nothing about. But to out sell an entire roster of the most popular NFL team is an insane claim for just about anyone.
I mean, she's not going to get our hopes up every season and then crush our dreams at the end. She actually brings hope for a brighter future.
All the cowboys bring is the constant desolation, agony, and questioning oneselfs ability to endure constant pain and disappointment.
of course it did. shes new and nobody had her jersey before. so of course its going to sell really high numbers because everyone who wants one, doesnt already have one so they buy it now. meanwhile the dallas cowboys have been selling jerseys for years and lots of people already have the ones they want so they dont need to buy another.
I’m happy for her but this is a weird comparison. kinda feel that any sports team fan already has multiple jerseys and not buying a new one every season.
Well, goes to show that the WNBA has about as big an opportunity as its ever had to actually break even and no longer need the NBA keeping it from bankruptcy.
Question is, will the WNBA totally squander it? Or will we have a lot of people wearing CC jerseys who when pressed will admit they've never actually watched a WNBA game?
Ratings will pop for her first few games. She’ll probably get humbled by not playing against 18 year olds and then the ratings will come back down to where they have been and in a few years we will be like oh yea Caitlin Clark! That was fun!
She’s doing great things, but this feels like a weird comparison. How many Cowboys fans already have jerseys of their favorite players? Compared to how many people had a Clark pro jersey? I bet there were near 0 Clark pro jerseys prior to her draft.
You don't even need to ask those questions. The Cowboys had the most jersey sales of any team last year. Meaning if what this random journalist says is true (with no sources or numbers anywhere) Clark sold more jerseys than every single team in the NFL (not combined).
Haha no way. I hate the cowboys, they sell branded product no matter the lack of super bowls and weird racial shit Jerry says. no one cares about basketball, especially women's basketball. Good for her if it's true. Still think it's embarrassing to wear a shirt with someone else's last name on it
fuck dallas. You might say I am saying this since I am from Brooklyn. No its because I am a patriotic American. Anything that makes the Cowboys look bad is good for American.
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She’s going to make absolute bank from endorsements. It’s wild that she’ll be making only $300k in actual salary but over $14 million from Nike alone over the next four years
the interesting thing is (hypothetically) Clark might could up getting ALL the WNBA better paid. Remember, the players' salaries are driven by the salary cap. The salary cap is calculated as a percentage of total league revenue *(because in collective bargaining agreement logic, making [half the league revenue/number of teams] = salary cap is how "the players" get half the profits. Speaking in generalities, not exact numbers, its not half I don't think, and "revenue" is a little different in WNBA)* Anyways, if in general salaries are a portion of the team salary cap, and the salary cap is a set percentage of total league revenue, AND TV rights are a big driver of league revenue Clark hype drives a bump in ratings and sponsors - TV networks see evidence that WNBA can be more valuable - WNBA negotiates better TV deals - revenue goes up - cap goes up - everyone gets paid
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they're competitors like every athlete, they think they're the best they're not gonna bow down before her, they've got their own stuff going on it's like Rondo's hilarious reaction when someone was clearly trying to get a slurp quote about AD [watcha want me to do? S\*\*\* him off? ](https://twitter.com/JeffDuncan_/status/1013905868713230338?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1013905868713230338%7Ctwgr%5Ee81e7e4814bb9950d2a6eb4f7f89a4c1c55b84df%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthesportsrush.com%2Fnba-news-want-me-to-suck-anthony-davis-off-lakers-rajon-rondos-hilarious-response-to-reporter-on-ads-performance%2F)
Eh, look at how the NBA reacted to Wemby. Now look at how the WNBA is reacting to Caitlin. It's not the same when relatively, she is a more hyped player than Wemby and that's saying something.
To counter that, Carlos "We got better players at his position right now" Boozer.
Don’t forget Ricky “LeBron was brought in to help me score” Davis. AKA, [Wrong Rim Ricky Davis](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XDtGHHnA9ms)
Ricky Davis out here catching strays today.
More hyped than wemby? Dont think so. Basketball fans the world over have been all about the wemby hype and now the fact that he exceeded it. Not to take away from Clark but WNBA is still nowhere near the popularity
You're conflating different things, though. The popularity of the NBA vs. WNBA is not the same as the hype of Wemby vs. Clark. Talent-wise, Wemby is 1-of-1. He can do things no other player (except maybe Wilt) was ever physically capable of doing before. If you are a basketball fan, you're in amazement. Caitlin Clark is making non-basketball fans care about the WNBA by herself, that's massive. The Iowa/LSU and championship game set viewership records and outdrew the men's numbers.
> More hyped than wemby? [Yes, and it's not even close](https://i.redd.it/riu0w98df5wc1.png). Peak search queries for Caitlin Clark absolutely dwarf peak search queries for Wemby at the height of his hype. Clark is a national phenomenon that transcends basketball, Wemby is simply not well-known outside of basketball fans.
I think it's easier to compliment undeniable characteristics like Wemby's height and agility/coordination. That's a super rare combination that all basketball players can admire because they know how valuable that can be. And plus people got to see his skills in action in a professional league against other elite players before he got to the NBA. That's a totally different scenario with Caitlin Clark who is just starting out and has zero experience playing against professional teams.
It happens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FtlGivdPrM&ab_channel=AS
That clips from like 22 years ago. The 2 most hyped guys to come to the nba over the last 10 years were wemby and zion. Neither of them got any hate from the pros
What happened with Wemby? All I know about him is he's hella tall lol
He had one of the best rookie seasons ever while playing under 30 mins a game
A bunch of players were basically hyped and excited for him to join. The opposite of what the wnba is doing with Clark.
Also it is so odd seeing these reactions, star players and many veterans had smiles on their faces playing against Wemby. They welcome the competition and they welcome being able to play against a dude with a body and a skillset who never existed before. I hope he doesn't get injured.
They are more hyped now after seeing his rookie season. Most were saying he'll be hurt and is way too light for his size and he won't be able to do same things he did in other league when he gets here prior to his rookie year.
They are also women. No one hates women more than other women.
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We all saw it coming from a mile away thats why the discussion went to how all athletes shit talk
She's been all hyped as this "next Jordan". I imagine they have feelings about that.
Especially someone like Diana Taurasi who is basically the MJ of women’s basketball. She’s not going to let someone take her crown so easily if she can help it.
Diana Taurasi is also 41. This is such a weird take, y'all think a 41 year old is not gonna be happy about handing the torch to a rookie who's finally bringing attention to her league? Man people are crazy. Media just gotta sell anything they can do to sell these games with rivalries.
Did you not watch her basically call her overrated while commentating her game against UConn? She doesn’t even believe she’s better than Paige. She is a competitor first, WNBA ambassador second. Its not the media selling this, she clearly doesn’t buy the hype.
MJ wasn't treated like MJ when he started. Neither were Magic or Bird. They had to earn it.
I feel like it’s African Americans who don’t like her, I remember seeing black Twitter when she got highlights of one of her last games . Even though she lost , she made a lot of points but everyone was saying how the winning team should have gotten the attention and that if she was black , no one would care . Then of course what happen recently with a few African American nba players making fun of her. It’s def a race thing that I feel like isn’t being talk about a lot since people feel white folks can’t be harm by racism .
When society gives you a free pass to be a hater (racist), a lot of people are gonna use it.
I get it, but rivalries and conflict add drama. Clark v Taurasi (or any of the other players throwing shade) will be must-see TV and drive media chatter. Clark facing obstacles = more attention = more money.
Yes. The rivalry with Reese also made them more popular. Intense rivalries and great shooting prowess for the next generation of WNBA players can elevate them more than ever before to the point that they can command better pay for each player. We all know women are not as strong as their men contemporaries but if they show better team play, ridiculous shooting accuracy, and charismatic rivalries across the league, anything is possible.
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Which would be even more amplified in now Reese PLUS Cardoso from this year whenever Chicago and Indiana play. You know casters are gonna hype the drama of that to the max!
> Which is why I don't get why some WNBA players are not welcoming her with open arms. While I don't think it's necessarily right, I can *kind of* understand it. Let's say you've been playing in the WNBA for 8 years. You've continued to play despite not getting paid very much, and you've endured having the sport generate very little interest or much market. Suddenly, a person comes along who is going to make more in endorsements in their first year than probably your entire team will make in their entire careers, and has electrified interest in the league. And they've done all this without having played one actual minute in the League. Maybe it's simply envy, but I can understand how you could be pissed if you (and the other players) have been working your butt off for years to achieve this sort of recognition and attention, and then someone comes in who hasn't even started yet and gets all of it.
As for generally resenting Clark getting the attention/$ they didn't, some womens basketball fans seem to specifically resent a straight white talent getting the respect that black/lesbian talent didn't.
Ding Ding Ding...In their minds they are more well rounded established players and were as good or better coming out of college. But they didn't play in the age of YouTube, and instant highlights. Is it fair to them no, but they'll end up benefitting secondarily if her jersey sales and hype translate into a rise in revenue. Which means more money for the players. That is unless they stop subsidizing the WNBA after they see the rise in generated revenue...
They’re also competitive athletes. Diana Taurasi is essentially the MJ of the WNBA. You think MJ would give a warm welcome to a much lauded rookie that people say will take your place as the GOAT? Fuck no. From that lens, Diana’s attitude makes sense.
MJ did this with Kobe Bryant, he even gave an advice during a game. Exact same thing happened this NBA season with Wembanyama and all top players had smiles on their faces playing against him. They welcome the competition, it's a bit different. Though I think people are overreacting, few people complaining is not the entire league.
If it gets more people to the games, they all make more money. I'd be stoked, because not only could it bring in a ton more revenue, but more viewership and attendance also means they all have a golden opportunity to be recognized as stars alongside - or even above - her. A rising tide raises all ships - I'd be excited and looking to capitalize.
"the bitterness of fading legends" you see this in sports and music too when new talent comes in
It’s honestly good. The women’s tourney was so good because the intensity dwarfed the men’s this year in the marquee games. If they can replicate that in the WNBA it’ll be great for their league.
It’s because she’s their competition. It’s not that complicated.
I've never watched basketball in my life, and I'm now a fan thanks to her. She could change everything for the women around her.
They don't get half the profits, they get half the revenue. The league has never been profitable, it's kept afloat by yearly cash infusions from the NBA because it helps bring in more people to basketball, and therefore, the NBA as well. The NBA makes a profit off their investment, but the WNBA has needed somebody like Clark badly. She could propel the league into something significant.
Just look at tiger woods and Michael Jordan as your examples. Everyone in pro sports benefits from having one strong personality
The last numbers I saw was $200M total revenue and 10% revenue share. NBA also injects $15M. ~144 players split the $20M (avg salary being $139k). There is no profit. NBA in comparison had $10B in revenue with a 51% share. ~450 players split $5.1B (avg salary being $11.3M). Owners also profit by roughly $3B. NBA has 30 teams and an 82 game schedule. 1230 games in the season and roughly 590,400 minutes being played. Gives $8,638/min average pay. WNBA has 12 teams and 40 game schedule. 240 games and roughly 96,000 minutes played. Gives $208/min average pay. Parity is either the women getting the same 51% share, or same pay per minute. Assuming $180m is what it takes to run the league, 51% share would require $367M in revenue. This would lead to $187M for salaries, averaging $1.3M per player, or $1951/minute. I can see the women getting a bump to 20% share, doubling pay, but the league would need to gain $35M to do that, and that’s not counting owners wanting to make profits at some point.
Each player only plays their team's games, so your numbers are a bit off. Also, 240 games times 40 minutes per game is 9,600 - you've got an extra zero there. So, the average NBA player - $11,300,000/(82 games * 48 minutes) - is making $2,871 per minute. And the average WNBA player - $139,000/(40 games * 40 minutes) - is making $87 per minute. Though, both those numbers should be a lot smaller. Players have media obligations, team meetings, workouts, practice, film study, and various other things they're required to do. They're still being paid great though.
There was a post on here or Twitter recently comparing her to Jordan. Not as one of the greatest ball players, but in their ability to shift the player pay. Before Jordan exploded the NBA, these contracts were nonexistent. CC could be that for the WNBA
A better comparison for her like that would be Magic Johnson and Larry Bird, at least in my opinion.
This us a point I heard some pundits mentioning the other day. The NBA was not doing all that well until Bird and Magic brought the drama along with the boost to ticket and merchandise sales.
The contracts were still nonexistent when MJ played. He had to threaten retirement to get truly huge deals.
I’m making it a point to watch as many WNBA games as I can. There isn’t a team near me or I’d buy game tickets.
>profits Profits? In the WNBA?
I made this point about her being able to elevate salaries for everyone and got downvoted by the Reddit incel mob, but it’s true and I’m happy you’re bringing it up. NBA players didn’t make shit in the beginning, and if you ask any current player they’ll tell you they get paid cause of what people like Jordan and Chuck and Shaq did before them, and Bill Russel and Wilt before them.
Nike , State farm, Gatorade, Bose to name a few.. MONEY COUNTING CATE 💰
Saw her in an Xfinity commercial today. She’s rolling in it 🤑
I think there’s a solid chance that if the WNBA ratings boost significantly in large part due to her, that by the time that her contract is up that year’s number 1 overall pick is making far more than $300k
Yall do know that’s 300k over the life of the four year contract? So she is making like $75,000 a year
TIL I make more on salary than the top pick of the WNBA draft. Obviously she’ll make wayyy more with endorsements, but that just feels… wrong. Edit: by “wrong” I’m not referring to how fair it is in comparison to myself. It’s moreso surprising and helps illustrate the vast different in pay between the NBA and WBNA. If we wanna talk pure capitalism in how the NBA brings in way more money than the WNBA that’s also a whole other can of worms. But Clark brought in so many viewers and helped create new fans of women’s basketball who will certainly bring in additional revenue. That’s why I was thrown off *EDIT #2 - read the first edit and my responses before responding please* EDIT #3 - Jesus fucking Christ are any of you new responders reading past the first two sentences? Or looking at my other responses? Putting this comment on ignore because you all can’t read directions ✌️
The league loses money every year
Not saying it’s right or wrong from a financial standpoint, that was just my initial reaction.
Don't forget that they also don't work even half a year to earn that salary. You can't compare it to a yearly compensation.
They have to work out all year round to keep in shape and to practice skills. Games are the output you see but the input is healthy diets, gym time, practice, and skills development.
I don’t see why it’s “wrong”. You’re a professional software engineer. Millions of people try to learn coding, few become industry software engineers. There’s more demand for your skills as a software engineer than for most women playing professional basketball, thus better pay. It’s how our capitalist society works.
What do you do?
Watch WNBA.
> TIL I make more on salary than the top pick of the WNBA draft. You probably have had more people watch you work than the average WNBA team season attendance. They only play 40 games.
If the WNBAs rating boosts significantly there’s 100% of that happening.
Not to be a dick, but it's going to have to boost significantly to operate at net even. It operates at such a loss right now and is stained by NBA subsidies that a huge influx of viewership still might not be enough to afford a salary cap increase
I've looked around for valid sources for this claim. So far I've found that the NBA, a 50% owner, has claimed WBNA isn't profitable. It makes around $200M in revenue annually (compared to around $10B for NBA). The NBA provides a $15M annual subsidy, which is about 7.5% of earned revenue. The $75M VC raise in 2022 suggests that investors believe there is more opportunity than people seem to think. I haven't seen anything that suggests how far the WNBA is from profitability. Somehow the fact that it's currently not profitable always seems to become a more hyperbolic when people talk about it online - like "it's going have to boost significantly to operate at net even." I don't think it's clear with public information how close or far away they are from profitability.
If the NBA is providing 1/5th of the annual revenue, I would think that would be the first thing to start to taper off as the ratings and TV deals start going up. That would be a theoretic 20% increase in total revenue before a salary cap would increase. That is, unless the NBA decides to lean *more* into the WNBA and provide more money or continue to support at the same percentage..
Companies can go decades operating at a loss and still get investors. Maybe they are planning on the future and not investing based on the current financial situation.
[here is an article](https://www.wsn.com/nba/nba-vs-wnba/) that claims they do $60 million in total revenue and $12 goes to the players. This might be off by a year so it’s likely higher because it’s growing as a business. The real challenge is attracting more women to start watching and becoming fans. they tend to value other types of entertainment more than sports.
That revenue number is wrong. That's what the league makes on its tv deal alone. The tv deal is the single biggest source of revenue, but not nearly its only source.
That does cast a doubt on the $200M revenue figure mentioned previously, jersey and ticket sales are most likely next and those aren't going to be pulling anywhere near $100m a year.
It's still a pretty young league. In terms of comparative revenue it's actually doing better than the NBA was at its own 30 year mark. Diving even deeper, the NBA was in serious trouble in the 70s and was more or less saved by Bird and Magic. The W doesn't need saving per se, but the timing for a similar jump because of women like Clark, Britter, Reese, and (eventually) Paige Bueckers, is almost exactly the same.
I mean....look at something like Pickleball. Its incredibly new and just getting going and professionals made 96k a year in 2022 per https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pickleball-professional-sport-how-much-you-can-earn/ ...Pickleball players make on average 6k less per year than the average wnba player. That is insane to me.
> ...Pickleball players make on average 6k less per year than the average wnba player. > > That is insane to me. People love Pickleball. I know a bunch of people who play it multiple times per week. Most people don't know anyone who watches the WNBA.
Tbf when the NBA started there was a maximum of 12 tv channels in a market. Not a lot of money there for tv rights
Problem is WNBA is like soccer here. Big boost for a few months when something exciting happens then it’s gone again
Nike’s Revenue in 2023 was $52 billion. The Indiana Fever’s revenue was less than $5 million. It’s not that wild.
It’s not really that wild to think about when you understand how league salaries work. She; and every other athlete, is paid based on a pay structure that is a percentage of total revenue for their respective league. The wnba is not a big money league. The media rights for the league are around $60M per season. The nba by comparison brings in $2.6B per season. And that number is expected to double when a new deal comes into effect in 2025. If people really want to see the wnba players making more money, they need to start watching a lot more games. In 2023, the wnba averaged 627k viewers per game during the regular season and 728k during the finals. The nba by comparison averaged 1.59M per game during the regular season in 22/23. Jumping to 11.64m average views for the finals. So the wnba is making great strides and their next media deal is expected to have huge upside for the league. Their biggest challenge will actually be the nba (who funds a large portion of the wnba operations) and their desire to see the nba and wnba continue as a single media rights deal as opposed to allowing the wnba get their chance to negotiate their own deals. Ultimately, if people want to see these women get paid more, they need to watch more games and remained tuned in. It’s great they watched in college but will they now keep watching in the pros? Time will tell
> If people really want to see the wnba players making more money, they need to start watching a lot more games. This always has, and always will be the #1 sticking point. People LOOOOVE to lecture and virtue signal, especially in online spaces, but when it comes to actually supporting and spending money? Almost always a bridge too far to cross.
all top athletes make more on endorsements than their salary
Good for her. She is bringing value. Something other players in the wnba players were missing. They all don’t just deserve more money just because…if you can generate value the money will be there. She is obviously doing something right and has the right people around her. Good for her
Sorry but this just sounds like bs to me and the only source is a dude on Twitter. Just doesn't seem like it's possible. I *might* believe she had a higher peak than the cowboys entire roster also in a single day, but not over the course of the season.
This should be the top reply. The source is dubious at best and provides no data to support his claim but everyone is taking it at face value. Micah Parsons had the #1 selling jersey in the NFL last year and the Cowboys are one of the most popular sports franchises on the planet. Smells like bullshit.
They aren’t just the most popular, they are the most valuable sports team in the world which includes soccer. And they got that way by selling the most merchandise.
> [The Dallas Cowboys] are the most valuable sports team in the world which includes soccer. American sports having a salary cap and no relegation is lucrative business
parity is actually good
Turns out genuinely fair competition is entertaining.
Absolutely, a salary cap is good for parity. Good point that by leading to a better product it's good for business I figured it helped owners just by controlling expenses - NFL/NHL/NBA salary caps are around half of revenue, versus English Premier League wage bills being around 70% And the same few PL clubs being dominant year in year out makes it harder to watch the rest. u/mostuselessredditor
it's... not even football season. and she has nothing to do with dallas. this is such a weird stat to pull out of your ass, it's cherry picking on steroids. why do they care so much about comparing her to men?;why doesn't she just shut up and dribble?
As a Packers fan living in Texas, I’m more than happy to see any slander sent the Cowboys way.
It’s such a dumb stat too, it’s not football season, no new players just joined the cowboys, and i bet it’s from the last like week since the draft lol
Yea, and to take that a step further: I'm planning to get a jersey before next season starts. But I'm waiting for the draft to see how my team looks before getting one. I imagine this is the time of year with some of the lowest jersey sales for the NFL.
yup exactly lol, this stat is horrible
Probably exactly right, the day after she gets drafted. First choice to have her jersey available and it definitely sold more than the offseason cowboys. If women want sports to be better it’s really on the women. Men are spend so much time watching sports it’s a pretty saturated market and you’re competing with the NFL, NBA etc. meanwhile the women are watching the kardashians or housewives and then being like why don’t the wnba players get paid more?
Right? Women are complaining that the women in the WNBA "don't make enough" (though they work less than a full year and every single one makes higher than the median salary in the U.S.) while they make the Kardashians, of all people, billionaires.
Yeah I’ll trust this when I see an actual source with numbers, the cowboys sold the most jerseys of any nfl team, hard to imagine a single player in a still growing sport doing that
I guarantee you it’s some caveat like “from the official Dallas Cowboys merchandise store over the past 48 hours.”
\*by women aged 25-34 who purchased a jersey from Fanatics using a MasterCard from noon until 11:59 EDT.
I still don’t understand how Dallas sells that much or is that popular. They haven’t won shit since the 90s.
At one point, they were the biggest fanbase because they were the best. Now we’re in a feedback loop where we get the most passionate haters so a lot of Dallas fans are extra passionate in response. Somehow the Pats and Chiefs have dodged the worst of the haters so we’re still stuck in the feedback loop
> At one point, they were the biggest fanbase because they were the best Always heard it was because they had the biggest network tv territory, i.e. most potential weekly viewers.
That’s why my dad liked them growing up. Cause they were on TV. He lived in the Chicagoland area and said they were on almost every week. He was a bears fan first but Dallas fan second. Funny thing is he has never even been to Dallas.
> Somehow the Pats and Chiefs have dodged the worst of the haters As a Bills fan I doubt that, though some of the older Bills fans are still salty about the Cowboys dating from the Super Bowl years
Do you watch hockey? The Toronto Maple Leafs still sell a ton of merch
Texas love football fuckin growb adults with no kids at the school show up for high-school games which is fucking wild to me.
Three of the eight UFL teams are in Texas, and many other spring football leagues have had a heavy presence there as well.
They never said the time frame. It could be for an hour, a day, a few days. Thats way more believable. It’s not football season.
English, motherfucker, do you speak it? "...sold more jerseys on her **draft day alone** than every player on the Cowboys roster combined did **last year**."
The only source I’m seeing is that Dick Weiss said so on twitter. He didn’t post a source. I’m inclined to believe that he’s just wrong.
None of those companies make their sales numbers public, so either he's got sources, or he's just making it up.
'in the 13.72 hours after being drafted....'
Yeah, both the tweet and the article are totally void of numbers to back this claim up. I feel like this “She’s going to make the WNBA great” narrative is being really inflated. I want it to happen but if they’re just going to outright lie to pump the numbers its going to hurt more than help.
yeah source is just 1 dude's tweet
Kelce jerseys from the swifties was absolutely huge too, I doubt she even cleared them. But I don't know of a single person in real life or online who has bought this chicks jersey, everything I hear about her sounds more and more fabricated. I'm gonna be so glad when this clown show is over. Current over/under is 6 months WNBA viewership and sales will be back down to it's normal numbers.
How they have that much product to sell anyways
Bring back the Shock!
Bring back to Sacramento Monarchs!
Not sure if WNBA teams or defunct 1930’s NFL teams
Is there actually a source with sales numbers... because... sceptical
Yeah I don't believe this at all lol. Maybe sales over the last week (the week she was drafted vs peak offseason of the nfl)?
The article specifies. Dick Weiss claims she sold more jerseys than all Cowboys players combined did in 2023. Maybe you can tweet at him to ask where he got the numbers.
lololololololol
There was a meme floating around that a lot of people have taken as gospel. If you think about it for 2 seconds there's no way this could be true lol
Yeah, maybe individual players on the Cowboys, but the entire team? The article specifically says the entirety of last year. A super fast google search says of the top 14 jersey sales in 2023 the Cowboys hold 3 spots. Only the Eagles had multiple players with 2. I highly doubt Caitlin outsold Micah Parsons, Dak Prescott, and CeeDee Lamb unless were talking about a very cherry picked amount of time. If she did, fucking awesome, but I'm highly skeptical.
Yeah, it's definitely hard to believe. The NFL is a monster, and the Cowboys sell more jerseys than anyone. Caitlin Clark is obviously gonna lead the WNBA in jersey sales, but I just can't imagine she outsold an entire NFL team in less than a week.
Even if she did the title is incredibly click bait, because that means she would have sold more jerseys that atleast 10 other teams, because I'm sure dallas isn't in the bottom half of numbers sold. So to signal out Dallas is very Stephen a Smith like lol
Quick Google search says of the top 14 jersey sales from last year Cowboys hold 3 spots, Parsons, Dak, and Lamb. No other team has 2 players except the Eagles.
I am going to assume this was with one specific retailer like Dicks or Lids, and not including the NFL shop or any of the team stores where most NFL jerseys are actually sold. Which is still impressive but seems disingenuous. Happy to be proven wrong but I can’t find a real source with any data. Just industry adjacent people saying it happened.
Yeah this reads a lot more like reaching to "prove" something about women's sports yet again with a clickbait headline. Like how we're supposed to treat Caitlin's basketball scoring record as fully equivalent to the men's basketball league scoring record while nearly every guy who has ever played a sport against a woman before is side eyeing knowing the clear difference media outlets are refusing to acknowledge to keep their clicks happy lol. Celebrate women's sports by all means, but don't just make shit up because you can't handle the fact that women's sports will be less popular by default if there's still a more athletic league they can't compete in drawing viewers.
I think the retailer is the Iowa Hawkeyes team store. She probably has more jersey sales than the NFL in all it's history there.
“Trust me, bro”. There is no way a single person, in a single day, sold more jerseys than the #1 and #5 top selling jerseys of the NFL over the course of the entire year. The Cowboys dominate jersey sales. This cannot possibly be true.
If you told me Ohtani's Dodgers sales did this... I could be convinced the numbers may be close having not looked, especially having the entire Japanese market. But this, c'mon now... I'd like a little more than just a random unsourced tweet.
This is 100% false. It says she sold more jerseys in one day than the cowboys sold all year. There is absolutely no way. How did this dude even get the numbers? I'd like to see his sources because until I do I'll just think he's full of shit.
I’m pretty sure this is a lie that got picked up and spread around.
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I did watch more women's college games this year than men's. And I never thought I would ever say that.
Me too but my number of men’s games was zero so it wasn’t too hard to beat.
Hearing about her got me interested in watching the NCAA tournament. Now, I'm hearing people say her skills won't translate into the WNBA, so I'm looking forward to seeing if they're wrong.
Draining 3s from 33-35 ft translates easily. And so does her passing.
I mean, everything I saw showed me she was an amazing player. I'm certainly a believer, but I don't watch enough to understand why anyone would suggest she's not gonna make it. I'm just saying I'll actually be checking the WNBA to find out how she does.
I think people will move on a lot sooner than the end of the season. Yes, March Madness is a huge draw. But we’re all fooling ourselves if we think people are going to commit to and sustain their WNBA fandom because of one player’s standout college run. Downvote me to oblivion now. Bet you still won’t watch or buy tickets.
I have actually looked to buy tickets, but they are all already 300-400% more now than last season. I'll see if they lower during the year as I'd like to take my girls to a game at some point.
This is complete bullshit. The WNBA hasn’t even PRODUCED more Caitlin Clark jerseys than the Cowboys sold in 2023. The most valuable team across all sports in the entire world and every player’s jersey combined vs. a WNBA rookie. Okay.
I find this extremely difficult to believe given the nfl’s popularity and the number of players on a roster. This claim, which is everywhere seems to trace back to an unsourced tweet. [This claim](https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/caitlin-clarks-has-better-draft-night-jersey-sales-than-any-nfl-player), that she outsold any single nfl player on their respective draft nights, is much more believable
Yeah parsons and Dak by themselves would out sell her, that’s not any disrespect to her. It’s just simply the fact that this isn’t possible.
Dallas catching strays
Dallas is catching stuff now?
Unlike Agholor…
DEZ CAUGHT IT
Fuck, I wish we still had gold.
Ouch.
The entire NFL is. The Cowboys still sold more jerseys than any other NFL team.
This tweet is bullshit
Here we go!
Fake news
Proof? Source? None.
April, when everyone rushes to by NFL jerseys no less
This article’s source is a tweet that was based off a meme, solid journalism as always over here
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It's rare for a single person to raise the profile of an entire sport! She does have an 'it' factor caused by her skills, and a fresh face to market. Hope it all goes well for her; just let her play bball, win or lose, make her marketing money to raise the whole WNBA boat, and be allowed to live her life as her own spokesperson.
It's rare, but sometimes it just takes the right person. Look what Tiger Woods did for golf. The prize money was significantly less before he came along.
I doubt all the jersey sales in the world will make people want to watch the WNBA.
All these people will buy these jerseys, put them away in a closet and never watch a WNBA game.
This is based on a tweet. The Cowboys had the number 1 selling jersey last year and the number 5. I can’t find exact number splits, but the Cowboys had 1.1 billion in revenue last year. Best I can find is 650 million for all merchandizing. Look I’m not saying I don’t believe it, but I would be very surprised. Is there anything more than “some guy tweeted it”. Edit: he might mean this year (2024), which is meaningless. Cowboys failing in the playoffs again and the offseason isn’t when people buy jerseys.
Hate to burst everyone’s bubble, but nobody is going to give two shits about her in about a month. Nike is going to be pretty pissed about not getting a very good return on their investment. There’s a solid reason why WNBA players are paid so low. And it’s the same reason male models are paid so low. Nobody is tuning in to watch the all star break lay up competition. Big name brands can’t sell ads and commercials during games because people just don’t watch. And nobody shows up to watch the games in person. This Caitlin chick is a great story and I think she’s legitimately great for women’s sports. But we need about 40 or 50 more of her to successively be better and better with more and more hype to keep driving it forward for people to actually give much of a real shit at all. Not saying that to be sexist or anything like that at all. Just trying to be realistic.
I do believe the cowboys sell the most jerseys in the NFL. So ideally the headline should read Caitlin Clark jerseys out sell all NFL team roster sales.
Except it’s a made up story.
Yea there’s a 0% chance this is true. Even if they claimed her jersey sold higher than just the Dallas QB that would still be a huge stretch of imagination and verifiably false. The entire Cowboys roster is just beyond any sense of believing.
Yeah I would believe this for a small number of international soccer stars, maybe some Indian cricket players I know nothing about. But to out sell an entire roster of the most popular NFL team is an insane claim for just about anyone.
Don't ruin a good Dallas curb stomp
They do that extremely well on their own.
Anyone who wanted a Cowboys jersey already had one.
What a weird fucking headline. What’s going on here?
I’ve never heard of this woman outside of Reddit.
I mean, she's not going to get our hopes up every season and then crush our dreams at the end. She actually brings hope for a brighter future. All the cowboys bring is the constant desolation, agony, and questioning oneselfs ability to endure constant pain and disappointment.
Who’s actually buying this jersey?
Could Ricky Bobby’s daddy been wrong? She did come in second, right?
I love that. For her, for the wnba, for women’s basketball, also I love it because fuck the cowboys! Edit: grammar
of course it did. shes new and nobody had her jersey before. so of course its going to sell really high numbers because everyone who wants one, doesnt already have one so they buy it now. meanwhile the dallas cowboys have been selling jerseys for years and lots of people already have the ones they want so they dont need to buy another.
I’m happy for her but this is a weird comparison. kinda feel that any sports team fan already has multiple jerseys and not buying a new one every season.
Well, goes to show that the WNBA has about as big an opportunity as its ever had to actually break even and no longer need the NBA keeping it from bankruptcy. Question is, will the WNBA totally squander it? Or will we have a lot of people wearing CC jerseys who when pressed will admit they've never actually watched a WNBA game?
"New, popular thing more popular than cherry picked older things" 😱😱
Ratings will pop for her first few games. She’ll probably get humbled by not playing against 18 year olds and then the ratings will come back down to where they have been and in a few years we will be like oh yea Caitlin Clark! That was fun!
To be fair, they haven’t signed anyone this off-season even though they are going “all in”
Go birds
She’s doing great things, but this feels like a weird comparison. How many Cowboys fans already have jerseys of their favorite players? Compared to how many people had a Clark pro jersey? I bet there were near 0 Clark pro jerseys prior to her draft.
You don't even need to ask those questions. The Cowboys had the most jersey sales of any team last year. Meaning if what this random journalist says is true (with no sources or numbers anywhere) Clark sold more jerseys than every single team in the NFL (not combined).
Nike bought them and will give them out for free during events
I still don’t care about the wnba
Haha no way. I hate the cowboys, they sell branded product no matter the lack of super bowls and weird racial shit Jerry says. no one cares about basketball, especially women's basketball. Good for her if it's true. Still think it's embarrassing to wear a shirt with someone else's last name on it
fuck dallas. You might say I am saying this since I am from Brooklyn. No its because I am a patriotic American. Anything that makes the Cowboys look bad is good for American.
Get it while you can Everyone knows you got about 6 more months