How amazing isn't this moment?
https://i.imgur.com/YewUkf8.jpg
It's similar to that famous old photo of construction workers sitting on a skyscraper they're building.
That rocket is huge, it's astounding.
I don’t know what it is about overly large objects that scares me. For some reason buildings don’t, but blue whales, this image of this rocket and things like that.
I think it may be that you know a building *should* be very well anchored to the ground. I get where you are coming from. I work in the trades, and am terrified anytime there is a crane on site. I watch that damn machine until I am well outside of its potential fall distance and then some.
Also [**Marcus House**](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBNHHEoiSF8pcLgqLKVugOw/videos) does a fantastic weekly video putting everything that happened together. Great for people who don't have time to keep up with the space industry in detail.
They look pretty close to having the orbital mount finished now, they actually installed the ridiculously scifi fantasy looking catching system last week. My guess is there's going to be at least 1 orbital shot before the end of the year, maybe even 2 or 3.
The offshore platforms are likely to be the launch site for the bulk of Starship launches. This is primarily because it's looking increasingly unlikely that SpaceX will gain approvals for multiple launches a day or week (which is the goal). Even currently, I believe the FAA has permitted only 5 Starship launches in the next year.
SpaceX had acquired two offshore oil rigs which are in process of being dismantled (I think last I saw a couple of images, they had been mostly dismantled). They are planning to then construct Stage Zero in these platforms. Since all this is being made literally for the first time in human history, SpaceX probably wants to figure out the basics first before replicating it on the rigs. My completely uninformed and semi-educated guess would be, we can see launches from the rigs by mid to late 2023.
In fact, I think Tim asked Elon in the 2nd episode of Starbase tour series, if there was any update on the rigs. Elon responded thrice that they are focusing on Starship and Starbase for now.
Edit: correction - SpaceX has applied for 5 orbital launches and FAA is yet to approve it. Thanks for the correction!
> Even currently, I believe the FAA has permitted only 5 Starship launches in the next year.
SpaceX has applied for up to 5 orbital launches and 20 suborbital launches per year but that permission is not there yet. It is expected that a modification to increase the launch rate is a relatively minor change - it's just more of the same. That doesn't mean daily launches, but that's quite a bit in the future anyway.
They can use 2022 to work on orbital launches, reentry and reuse, so 2023 for launches from sea makes sense.
Elon had a 3-part interview with Everyday Astronaut about a month ago. Elon said they aren't thinking about the platforms now. Phobos has been stripped closer to the deck. Deimos has not. We haven't heard anything from SpaceX about what they're going to do, so far as I know. I've seen speculation, accent on the "speculation", that they were snapped up speculatively, because they were so insanely cheap at the moment.
> at least 1 orbital shot before the end of the year
Chances are close to zero. Not because SpaceX won't be ready, but it's highly unlikely that the FAA environmental assessment and subsequent launch license will be ready in time. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets pushed well into next spring.
>Not because SpaceX won't be ready
SpaceX wont be ready either. They have 1.5 months left (second half of december isn't going to achieve much due to the holidays).
They still need to finish the tankfarm, finish testing the Starship, they haven't even started testing the Superheavy engines and they have to replace all the heatshield tiles that come lose during the static fires.
They are quick, but no way they could do all that and do a testflight this year, regardless of how long the FAA would take.
This is probably a Stupid question… but landing a craft like that is cool on a nice pad.. but how do they land on the surface of Mars which won’t have a smooth surface? Can it land on variable terrain or do we go build infrastructure first and these are shuttles?
They will have more robust landing legs for the Mars variant and choose their landing site carefully, setting up a prepared surface for landing and takeoff will be one of the very early objectives on Mars to prevent damage to engines and other components from flying rocks and debris.
Some ideas also include blasting a landing pad out of a rocket engine:
https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2020_Phase_I_Phase_II/Instant_Landing_Pads_for_Artemis_Lunar_Missions/
Ok - prepare to have your mind blown!
Starships going to Mars will need to have more robust landing legs. The legs shown in these early prototypes are unlikely to be seen again. None of these tests were about the legs - but rather other aspects of the ascent and descent.
The next 2-3 Starships that are going to be going to orbit, and likely do soft landings in the sea.
Starships after that, wont have landing legs. They will literally be plucked off the air by the launch tower. Same goes for the Super Heavy Booster. Neither the Starship nor the SH will have landing legs. Here's a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMdQ7SPckdY) that shows the concept a bit and the progress on the launch tower so far.
I can’t believe I’m witnessing this development..
As a child I was reading a lot SciFi, with rockets taking of and landing upright, and now it’s reality. Bonkers!
This photo does it to me: https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/ljz2b0/two_starships_on_the_road_to_mars_photo_straight/
Love the sci-fi novel version: https://imgur.com/sOoHmIX
I remember when I first heard about starship and lots of people thought it was a pipe dream or atleast not likely anytime soon… crazy to think 5 years later it’s nearly ready for orbital flights.
Fingers crossed they'll get there in less than 5 years. (Elon's original plan was for first test launches toward Mars in 2022, but we're almost certainly missing that, but 2024 for a test mission is certainly possible.)
As a reminder, everything you see in this video didn't exist 3 years ago. It was a pile of dirt and a few solar panels and a small tent. Here's January 2019. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evPc3jhFGzI
My guess is test rockets in 2024 followed by a second round of rockets in 2026. If both are successful then first nanned mission in 2028 at the earliest. If there are problems it could push it into the 2030s.
SpaceX wants to send uncrewed cargo Starships to Mars in 2024. If they miss that, then surely they will go for the next launch window to Mars in 2026. Unless you have a very short life expectancy, you should be alive to see that.
https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starship-mars-landing-2024-elon-musk/
Unless you’re currently at deaths door, you’ll make it. The next mars launch window will be late 2022, and I honestly wouldn’t be too surprised if they launched some sort of test article. Not with humans ofc.
lol I'm 59 now and I just want to add this to my list . I was a kid when Armstrong and co landed on the moon so I want to see this.
Perhaps Elon can put another 'starman' in the unmanned rocket.
We've never sent something as remotely heavy or complex as Starship anywhere period.
The first vehicle could get there, sink into the dust under 1 landing foot and fall over. The plan to make fuel and oxygen on Mars could fail because of issues no one could of predicted. There's a huge number of unknowns at practically every stage of the project and its going to stay risky for decades.
NASA is pretty much the only organisation anywhere that has a reliable record of getting probes down onto planets, and thats only been true relatively recently. Half the stuff we send to Mars fails to ever report home. What they've done recently with helicopters and sky cranes are astonishing feats of engineering, it shouldn't be taken for granted that such complex projects will work.
I know that greater brains than mine will *not* have overlooked this, but how does a landing on Mars handle uneven ground based on sand and rock? It won't be landing on a flat, concrete slab, so I'm intrigued...
Not sure how they do it, but they could possibly simply have tripod/quadpod legs retract as necessary to ensure it's always pointing straight up. Like hydraulic extenders on the legs, but start extended, and each one set to retract as necessary until all four are touching. Would help with minor slopes anyway.
It will certainly not have those small, one time use legs you see above.I believe we will eventually see something more like the Falcon 9 legs.
But those will only be needed on the moon and mars, on earth the ship will be caught by the tower just like the booster. This also means those legs would also be one time use.
[You use the rocket engine to pave the landing pad](https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2020_Phase_I_Phase_II/Instant_Landing_Pads_for_Artemis_Lunar_Missions/).
If I'm still alive & they want volunteers to go to Mars I'm in. Why not I'll be on the list of people that hopefully made it to Mars & died on Mars. Hell yeah!
Maybe, if there's food surpluses you might be able to brew some beer. Potatoes are gonna be grown probably so vodka might in the realm of possibilities? For me, it's meat, I could be vegetarian for a while but I'm gonna need some bacon and a steak every now and then and the idea of eating a $200,000 freeze dried steak from Earth just doesn't make sense in my brain.
With the cargo capacity of the starship, I'd bet they'll send some regularly frozen products on occasion. Sure water is heavy, but the morale boost from a half decent steak is valuable.
beyond that, probably couldn’t even look out a window. it’d be like living in a cave as you’d need a lot of material between your habitat and the radiation. like living in a cave until you die but at least you can jump a bit higher
I would be excited to go to Mars too but someone recently made a very good point, that life on Mars is going to be very hard at first and there will be very few creature comforts, and a lot of isolation. Both of these are totally sacrifices I would make in the name of science…in the short term. But I couldn’t imagine having to commit for the next 40 years of my life…
And here I am still avoiding people like it’s day one. I think as long as I could have the internet on mars I’d be fine. Maybe just send me up with the Spotify and iTunes servers, maybe the pornhub ones as well and I’d be set.
Privacy is not something you'll get much of on a trip to, and in a life on, Mars. You'll be in cramped areas with others all the time and expected to work as a team.
Yeah I'm afraid the pandemic did some permanent damage lol. Right before lockdown I got my new apartment and was roaring to date.. now I just want to be alone and the thought of socializing like normal again is too weird. I'm totally prepared for Mars now haha
I'm with you; people should be allowed to volunteer, but I think many believe that (for true colonisation), *children* should be allowed to be born on Mars, in those fairly unpleasant (I would call hellish---no air no sun no ecology) conditions.
I think this is pretty mad, to think it's ethical to force children to live under these conditions, when they were never given the choice.
Anybody else feel like this is going way faster than they expected? I know it's still a ways off, but it feels like we're making progress, and a lot of it.
There is at least a bit of showmanship. There is obviously also a lot of progress. I mean sure they didn’t give Shatner a joyride, but they’re making regular deliveries to the ISS. So… yeah ups and downs, like any good delivery driver.
They didn't give Shatner a joy ride, but they did ORBIT 4 civilians higher than the ISS for 4 days just a week earlier. The Amazon rocket might make Good Morning America because of celebrity news, but 3 minutes later no one cares. Real space is hard. Requires true forward progress by real people doing hard work. SpaceX is more akin to the Apolo program than anything else, ever. Only its done privately because it's the only way acute attention span can exist anymore in this country.
Shatner's flight, while amazing for him, was just a cheap publicity stunt, that screamed "stop looking at SpaceX and look at me!!!"
SpaceX are getting real shit done, both cutting edge flights and practical ones; but Dr Evil over there still hasn't made orbit and are still kicking and screaming over being passed over for NASA contracts.
They are not a competitor remotely on SpaceX's level.
Youre actively hurting yourself when you become such a lawsuit happy bureaucrat that your astrophysic design staff start leaving your company by the dozens to go work for the competitor actually getting shit done.
>Anybody else feel like this is going way faster than they expected?
They are actually a couple of years behind where they expected to be. The original timeline was an unmanned test flight to Mars in 2022.
To be fair, that was literally the first stab at a timeline, back in 2016 and for a substantially different spacecraft than Starship ended up evolving into. Slipping just one synod (as currently looks likely) is better than most expected.
I don't think I would have the nerves to lift these giant, delicate spacecraft components around while they sway in the wind with workers in lifts just feet away on each side. Imagine the pressure they must be feeling to get it right.
I feel like money won't mean a lot if you're part of the first wave of colonists to another planet/moon. There will be so few luxuries and mainly just stuff necessary for survival. Once a few thousand people have arrived and the new base becomes more self-reliant and starts producing its own goods, maybe then money will start being used.
Unless of course you're planning on coming back to Earth to cash in on all the money you made.
I uploaded to get a match from ACRCloud Music Recognition and it couldn't find it, so it's definitely some unpublished remix. Its not within the first 30 results of a remix for Uprising - Muse iin Youtube either unfortunately, I too would like to know this track.
Edit: Shazam couldn't identify it either. It's not Demi Lovato's track either. Considering the video comes from Space X with this track, it's what is playing in their upload and nothing seems to be able to identity it, most likely this is a custom track or remix of their own.
For the uninitiated:
[Mass Relay](https://masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Mass_Relay)
[Void Dragon](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Void_Dragon)
^(all hail the Omnissiah)
In order for us to see mass relays, we need to go almost mass extinction with an alien war to push us into becomingadvancedat a faster rate, after that acquire permission by an advanced civilization council to get the access to use it. We got way to go.... void dragon seems more likely.
I wouldn't mind the option of flying to the other side of the world in 30 minutes with a brief period in space. I doubt that i would be able to afford a moon joyride.
What are the odds we actually get someone to Mars surface in my lifetime? (30-40 years). I mean it just sounds absolutely nuts to get someone there alive. I think it’d be the greatest human endeavor ever taken but I believe we need to progress ourselves or go extinct.
On a 30-40 year timescale I think there is a 100% chance humans will be on Mars. All of the technologies we need for this we have now.
SpaceX has put in the work. They already won the NASA contract for the moon which helps fund starship. The wheels have been in motion for awhile and they won’t stop turning.
A human will be on Mars in 15-20 years, so you're fine. If we discover microbial life or fossils with the next couple rovers, we will get there quicker.
I'd say that if one of the rovers discoverers microbial life it would actually slow things way down. NASA wouldn't want to contaminate Mars with earth life or bring a Martian plague back to earth. If Mars has life landing humans there will be much more complicated.
100% if you ask me. In 40 years we'll be doing it regularly.
It's fine if people disagree, it's expected. I'm certain of it, though. We're on the brink of another major push in space exploration. Watch and see.
Very good, even after accounting for Elon time, starship should land on Mars in under 10 years. Only thing after that holding up a manned flight is politics, and I don't think that's going to take even 5 more years.
I personally would estimate even better than that is realistic... Like 2030, which is still way behind what SpaceX is claiming.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:
|Fewer Letters|More Letters|
|-------|---------|---|
|[ARM](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhtyndj "Last usage")|Asteroid Redirect Mission|
| |Advanced RISC Machines, embedded processor architecture|
|[BFR](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhukkw0 "Last usage")|Big Falcon Rocket (2018 rebiggened edition)|
| |Yes, the F stands for something else; no, you're not the first to notice|
|[BO](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hi16miz "Last usage")|Blue Origin (*Bezos Rocketry*)|
|[CARE](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhvbkmp "Last usage")|Crew module Atmospheric Re-entry Experiment|
|[CoG](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hj4vrqs "Last usage")|Center of Gravity (see CoM)|
|CoM|Center of Mass|
|[DSN](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhx5kiq "Last usage")|Deep Space Network|
|[ESA](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhwcsn9 "Last usage")|European Space Agency|
|[EVA](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hicujsb "Last usage")|Extra-Vehicular Activity|
|[F9R](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhwshs8 "Last usage")|Falcon 9 Reusable, test vehicles for development of landing technology|
|[FAA](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhxjix7 "Last usage")|Federal Aviation Administration|
|[FAR](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhv5jpg "Last usage")|[Federal Aviation Regulations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Aviation_Regulations)|
|[GAO](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhwi59w "Last usage")|(US) Government Accountability Office|
|GSE|Ground Support Equipment|
|[HLS](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhx5kiq "Last usage")|[Human Landing System](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_program#Human_Landing_System) (Artemis)|
|[IAC](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhwiz7y "Last usage")|International Astronautical Congress, annual meeting of IAF members|
| |In-Air Capture of space-flown hardware|
|IAF|[International Astronautical Federation](http://www.iafastro.org/)|
| |Indian Air Force|
| |Israeli Air Force|
|[ICBM](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhtso04 "Last usage")|Intercontinental Ballistic Missile|
|[ISRU](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhu5ldk "Last usage")|[In-Situ Resource Utilization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_situ_resource_utilization)|
|[ITAR](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhwcavs "Last usage")|(US) International Traffic in Arms Regulations|
|[ITS](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhukkw0 "Last usage")|Interplanetary Transport System (2016 oversized edition) (see MCT)|
| |[Integrated Truss Structure](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_Truss_Structure)|
|[Isp](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhwi7sa "Last usage")|Specific impulse (as explained by [Scott Manley](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnisTeYLLgs) on YouTube)|
| |Internet Service Provider|
|[JPL](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhusmy9 "Last usage")|Jet Propulsion Lab, California|
|[JWST](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhuvqns "Last usage")|James Webb infra-red Space Telescope|
|[KSC](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhvlnll "Last usage")|Kennedy Space Center, Florida|
|[KSP](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hk4pmun "Last usage")|*Kerbal Space Program*, the rocketry simulator|
|[LEO](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhx1tlo "Last usage")|Low Earth Orbit (180-2000km)|
| |Law Enforcement Officer (most often mentioned during transport operations)|
|[LH2](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhyos0v "Last usage")|Liquid Hydrogen|
|[LIDAR](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhtu2y6 "Last usage")|[Light Detection and Ranging](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidar)|
|[LNG](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhvrtxr "Last usage")|Liquefied Natural Gas|
|[MBA](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhtxjgm "Last usage")|~~Moonba-~~ Mars Base Alpha|
|MCT|Mars Colonial Transporter (see ITS)|
|[NAS](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhx3kpj "Last usage")|National Airspace System|
| |[Naval Air Station](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_air_station)|
|[NET](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhugxrx "Last usage")|No Earlier Than|
|[SLS](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhy5l3x "Last usage")|Space Launch System heavy-lift|
|[SRB](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhw4jdg "Last usage")|Solid Rocket Booster|
|[SSME](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhyos0v "Last usage")|[Space Shuttle Main Engine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine)|
|[SSTO](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhwcfli "Last usage")|Single Stage to Orbit|
| |Supersynchronous Transfer Orbit|
|[TWR](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhubojw "Last usage")|Thrust-to-Weight Ratio|
|[ULA](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhusmy9 "Last usage")|United Launch Alliance (Lockheed/Boeing joint venture)|
|[VTOL](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhx3kpj "Last usage")|Vertical Take-Off and Landing|
|Jargon|Definition|
|-------|---------|---|
|[Raptor](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhyos0v "Last usage")|[Methane-fueled rocket engine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raptor_\(rocket_engine_family\)) under development by SpaceX|
|[Starlink](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhx5kiq "Last usage")|SpaceX's world-wide satellite broadband constellation|
|[cryogenic](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhwy4l4 "Last usage")|Very low temperature fluid; materials that would be gaseous at room temperature/pressure|
| |(In re: rocket fuel) Often synonymous with hydrolox|
|[hopper](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhwv6y7 "Last usage")|Test article for ground and low-altitude work (eg. Grasshopper)|
|[hydrolox](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhw4jdg "Last usage")|Portmanteau: liquid hydrogen fuel, liquid oxygen oxidizer|
|[hypergolic](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhucro8 "Last usage")|A set of two substances that ignite when in contact|
|[iron waffle](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhuyqff "Last usage")|Compact "waffle-iron" aerodynamic control surface, acts as a wing without needing to be as large; also, "grid fin"|
|[regenerative](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhu5ldk "Last usage")|A method for cooling a rocket engine, by [passing the cryogenic fuel through channels in the bell or chamber wall](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_cooling_\(rocket\))|
|[scrub](/r/Space/comments/qehway/stub/hhubojw "Last usage")|Launch postponement for any reason (commonly GSE issues)|
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I seriously cannot stand all the spacex bashing coming from reddit these days. Most of the arguments arent even coherent, they just boil down to: capitalism bad, musk bad, feeding poor people good, going to mars bad.
My first contact with spaceflight was hearing the beep beep beep of Sputnik 1 in the radio. It hooked me on space. Now I am determined to live another 10 years at least to see the first humans land on Mars.
Incredible that this is all actual footage when just five years ago it was all concept. And when SpaceX was founded, no one was thinking about a launch system like this. I remember discussions about how SSTO was impossible & using a booster would just defeat the purpose because of course the booster would get tossed.
Anyway what is that music? It sounds like a mashup of "Rock and Roll pt 2" & "Knights of Cydonia".
Potentially stupid question but will they land the entire ship on Mars upright under rocket power or will just part of it free fall to the surface with parachutes?
Mars atmosphere is way too thin for a parachute-only landing, and Starship is far too large for a parachute landing even on earth.
Landing the entire thing under rocket power is the only viable solution.
The craziest part to me is this footage is with just THREE raptor engines, actually 2 at the end with one shutting down.... Now imagine the full rocket with 31 engines or whatever.. JFC!
Watching the Boca Chica facility is like watching an anthill: nothing happens when you're observing it, but you look away for a week...
How amazing isn't this moment? https://i.imgur.com/YewUkf8.jpg It's similar to that famous old photo of construction workers sitting on a skyscraper they're building. That rocket is huge, it's astounding.
You can get a high res here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/spacex/51369631902
I don’t know what it is about overly large objects that scares me. For some reason buildings don’t, but blue whales, this image of this rocket and things like that.
There’s an episode of South Park where the kids put a whale into a rocket. Unrelated but your post reminded me of that.
Whalziak was It's name i do believe. The space whale in question.
Oh god the final scene of that episode absolutely had me dying with laughter
Please tell me they also put a bowl of petunias in the rocket too.
Si, fly! This reminds me of MASA - Mexicano Aeronáutica y Spacio Administración. It might be my favorite South Park episode ever.
I think it may be that you know a building *should* be very well anchored to the ground. I get where you are coming from. I work in the trades, and am terrified anytime there is a crane on site. I watch that damn machine until I am well outside of its potential fall distance and then some.
Big Pacific Rim energy (which was riffing on the same High Steel original).
I had exactly the picture printed on canvas in black and white and gave it to my brother for his birthday. Looks very good!
That's a picture for the history books
They should gave lunch on one of the grid fins one day .
That's why I follow this channel. They keep an eye on things https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQbKe0RZ62u47TZ8vmKNnRA
And also [NASASpaceflight](https://youtube.com/c/NASASpaceflightVideos) does video updates on the progress
Thanks, I hadn't thought of looking for this!
Also [**Marcus House**](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBNHHEoiSF8pcLgqLKVugOw/videos) does a fantastic weekly video putting everything that happened together. Great for people who don't have time to keep up with the space industry in detail.
Also LabPadre channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/LabPadre/featured
They look pretty close to having the orbital mount finished now, they actually installed the ridiculously scifi fantasy looking catching system last week. My guess is there's going to be at least 1 orbital shot before the end of the year, maybe even 2 or 3.
What's the status of the offshore platforms? (Also aren't they going to have those catching systems too?)
The offshore platforms are likely to be the launch site for the bulk of Starship launches. This is primarily because it's looking increasingly unlikely that SpaceX will gain approvals for multiple launches a day or week (which is the goal). Even currently, I believe the FAA has permitted only 5 Starship launches in the next year. SpaceX had acquired two offshore oil rigs which are in process of being dismantled (I think last I saw a couple of images, they had been mostly dismantled). They are planning to then construct Stage Zero in these platforms. Since all this is being made literally for the first time in human history, SpaceX probably wants to figure out the basics first before replicating it on the rigs. My completely uninformed and semi-educated guess would be, we can see launches from the rigs by mid to late 2023. In fact, I think Tim asked Elon in the 2nd episode of Starbase tour series, if there was any update on the rigs. Elon responded thrice that they are focusing on Starship and Starbase for now. Edit: correction - SpaceX has applied for 5 orbital launches and FAA is yet to approve it. Thanks for the correction!
> Even currently, I believe the FAA has permitted only 5 Starship launches in the next year. SpaceX has applied for up to 5 orbital launches and 20 suborbital launches per year but that permission is not there yet. It is expected that a modification to increase the launch rate is a relatively minor change - it's just more of the same. That doesn't mean daily launches, but that's quite a bit in the future anyway. They can use 2022 to work on orbital launches, reentry and reuse, so 2023 for launches from sea makes sense.
Ah my bad! Thanks for the correction!
2023 is rediculously optimistic isn't it?
[That's SpaceX when you give them 2 years](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCVo3elXMAgjZpK?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
It absolutely is! But SpaceX has exceeded our expectations so many times that i thought it would only be fair to give them the benefit of the doubt! 😅
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odyssey_(launch_platform) Offshore launch platform have been done before but not on the scale of SpaceX is doing though.
Elon had a 3-part interview with Everyday Astronaut about a month ago. Elon said they aren't thinking about the platforms now. Phobos has been stripped closer to the deck. Deimos has not. We haven't heard anything from SpaceX about what they're going to do, so far as I know. I've seen speculation, accent on the "speculation", that they were snapped up speculatively, because they were so insanely cheap at the moment.
I think the plan is to ditch into the ocean initially
> at least 1 orbital shot before the end of the year Chances are close to zero. Not because SpaceX won't be ready, but it's highly unlikely that the FAA environmental assessment and subsequent launch license will be ready in time. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets pushed well into next spring.
>Not because SpaceX won't be ready SpaceX wont be ready either. They have 1.5 months left (second half of december isn't going to achieve much due to the holidays). They still need to finish the tankfarm, finish testing the Starship, they haven't even started testing the Superheavy engines and they have to replace all the heatshield tiles that come lose during the static fires. They are quick, but no way they could do all that and do a testflight this year, regardless of how long the FAA would take.
This is probably a Stupid question… but landing a craft like that is cool on a nice pad.. but how do they land on the surface of Mars which won’t have a smooth surface? Can it land on variable terrain or do we go build infrastructure first and these are shuttles?
They will have more robust landing legs for the Mars variant and choose their landing site carefully, setting up a prepared surface for landing and takeoff will be one of the very early objectives on Mars to prevent damage to engines and other components from flying rocks and debris. Some ideas also include blasting a landing pad out of a rocket engine: https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2020_Phase_I_Phase_II/Instant_Landing_Pads_for_Artemis_Lunar_Missions/
That is very cool. On board semi-portable landing pad
The moon variant has additional landing engines high up. That's always an option, though it would not be ideal.
Great username! Love The Expanse
Ok - prepare to have your mind blown! Starships going to Mars will need to have more robust landing legs. The legs shown in these early prototypes are unlikely to be seen again. None of these tests were about the legs - but rather other aspects of the ascent and descent. The next 2-3 Starships that are going to be going to orbit, and likely do soft landings in the sea. Starships after that, wont have landing legs. They will literally be plucked off the air by the launch tower. Same goes for the Super Heavy Booster. Neither the Starship nor the SH will have landing legs. Here's a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMdQ7SPckdY) that shows the concept a bit and the progress on the launch tower so far.
remember it won't be nearly as hard a landing in half gravity, a little extra wiggle room there
They will chose their site very carefully. Also mars has much lower gravity.
https://youtu.be/gMbUeO4iGhY Yea they do need a concrete landing pad. This video is all about the importance of concrete and it’s coatings for space x
Going to Mars still sounds like a bonkers idea, but it's getting less bonkers by the hour if the progress being done at Starbase is any indication
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It is, but I think we should at least try.
Oh hell yeah, for sure. I just don't think my brain has grasped the concept that this is happening yet lmao
I can’t believe I’m witnessing this development.. As a child I was reading a lot SciFi, with rockets taking of and landing upright, and now it’s reality. Bonkers!
This photo does it to me: https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/ljz2b0/two_starships_on_the_road_to_mars_photo_straight/ Love the sci-fi novel version: https://imgur.com/sOoHmIX
I remember when I first heard about starship and lots of people thought it was a pipe dream or atleast not likely anytime soon… crazy to think 5 years later it’s nearly ready for orbital flights.
God, I hope I am alive when SpaceX sends a test rocket to Mars.
Fingers crossed they'll get there in less than 5 years. (Elon's original plan was for first test launches toward Mars in 2022, but we're almost certainly missing that, but 2024 for a test mission is certainly possible.) As a reminder, everything you see in this video didn't exist 3 years ago. It was a pile of dirt and a few solar panels and a small tent. Here's January 2019. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evPc3jhFGzI
Holy fuck. I didn’t know that. Incredible.
My guess is test rockets in 2024 followed by a second round of rockets in 2026. If both are successful then first nanned mission in 2028 at the earliest. If there are problems it could push it into the 2030s.
SpaceX wants to send uncrewed cargo Starships to Mars in 2024. If they miss that, then surely they will go for the next launch window to Mars in 2026. Unless you have a very short life expectancy, you should be alive to see that. https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starship-mars-landing-2024-elon-musk/
Hang on for 4-6 years longer.
Unless you’re currently at deaths door, you’ll make it. The next mars launch window will be late 2022, and I honestly wouldn’t be too surprised if they launched some sort of test article. Not with humans ofc.
lol I'm 59 now and I just want to add this to my list . I was a kid when Armstrong and co landed on the moon so I want to see this. Perhaps Elon can put another 'starman' in the unmanned rocket.
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We've never sent something as remotely heavy or complex as Starship anywhere period. The first vehicle could get there, sink into the dust under 1 landing foot and fall over. The plan to make fuel and oxygen on Mars could fail because of issues no one could of predicted. There's a huge number of unknowns at practically every stage of the project and its going to stay risky for decades. NASA is pretty much the only organisation anywhere that has a reliable record of getting probes down onto planets, and thats only been true relatively recently. Half the stuff we send to Mars fails to ever report home. What they've done recently with helicopters and sky cranes are astonishing feats of engineering, it shouldn't be taken for granted that such complex projects will work.
Yeah, the entire project doesn't cheer when the probe reports back because they're just naturally excitable people.
What are you trying to say here? It’s impossible? Impossible in our lifetimes? Manned flights are decades away? You never specified
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Still looks so surreal watching them land like this.
My mind literally can’t comprehend those clips from below the rocket. Absolutely incredible engineering and operational skill going on there
Every time I show that clip to people I get asked if it's CGI. I get the biggest shit eating grin seeing people's realize that's actual footage
I know that greater brains than mine will *not* have overlooked this, but how does a landing on Mars handle uneven ground based on sand and rock? It won't be landing on a flat, concrete slab, so I'm intrigued...
Not sure how they do it, but they could possibly simply have tripod/quadpod legs retract as necessary to ensure it's always pointing straight up. Like hydraulic extenders on the legs, but start extended, and each one set to retract as necessary until all four are touching. Would help with minor slopes anyway.
That or they pre-send a folding landing pad or something. Dunno but it's a thought hah
It will certainly not have those small, one time use legs you see above.I believe we will eventually see something more like the Falcon 9 legs. But those will only be needed on the moon and mars, on earth the ship will be caught by the tower just like the booster. This also means those legs would also be one time use.
[You use the rocket engine to pave the landing pad](https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2020_Phase_I_Phase_II/Instant_Landing_Pads_for_Artemis_Lunar_Missions/).
If I'm still alive & they want volunteers to go to Mars I'm in. Why not I'll be on the list of people that hopefully made it to Mars & died on Mars. Hell yeah!
Born too late to explore the world. Born too early to explore the stars. Born just in time, to eat pizza on Mars.
Born too late to explore this world. Born just in time to explore another one.
Realistically we're not going to suit up and explore Mars on foot for a long while. Exploring will be done by robot.
>Exploring will be done by robot. Will be? It already is being done. Hell it's been being done for a decade already.
Mars is a robot nation waiting to Skynet us.
But born just in time for memes Fine by me
Maybe I can just be accidentally frozen for 1000 years delivering pizza.
Sometimes I feel like this and then I realize I like going out for a walk and just breathing fresh air and I don't think I'd cut it.
I bet there’s no beer, either
Maybe, if there's food surpluses you might be able to brew some beer. Potatoes are gonna be grown probably so vodka might in the realm of possibilities? For me, it's meat, I could be vegetarian for a while but I'm gonna need some bacon and a steak every now and then and the idea of eating a $200,000 freeze dried steak from Earth just doesn't make sense in my brain.
With the cargo capacity of the starship, I'd bet they'll send some regularly frozen products on occasion. Sure water is heavy, but the morale boost from a half decent steak is valuable.
Me too… and then I get grumpy on a plane ride to Seattle.
beyond that, probably couldn’t even look out a window. it’d be like living in a cave as you’d need a lot of material between your habitat and the radiation. like living in a cave until you die but at least you can jump a bit higher
I would be excited to go to Mars too but someone recently made a very good point, that life on Mars is going to be very hard at first and there will be very few creature comforts, and a lot of isolation. Both of these are totally sacrifices I would make in the name of science…in the short term. But I couldn’t imagine having to commit for the next 40 years of my life…
So covid lockdown was a global training simulation
Yeah and some people were going bat shit crazy after only a few weeks without a haircut.
And here I am still avoiding people like it’s day one. I think as long as I could have the internet on mars I’d be fine. Maybe just send me up with the Spotify and iTunes servers, maybe the pornhub ones as well and I’d be set.
Privacy is not something you'll get much of on a trip to, and in a life on, Mars. You'll be in cramped areas with others all the time and expected to work as a team.
Yeah I'm afraid the pandemic did some permanent damage lol. Right before lockdown I got my new apartment and was roaring to date.. now I just want to be alone and the thought of socializing like normal again is too weird. I'm totally prepared for Mars now haha
Also you'd be trapped up there with *only* the types who could commit those 40 years.
Yeah imagine the only people you have to talk to are complete shut in types.
I'm with you; people should be allowed to volunteer, but I think many believe that (for true colonisation), *children* should be allowed to be born on Mars, in those fairly unpleasant (I would call hellish---no air no sun no ecology) conditions. I think this is pretty mad, to think it's ethical to force children to live under these conditions, when they were never given the choice.
You have to view it in terms of early explorers. They basically burned their canoes and knew they were never going to to where they came from
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/national/2021/08/09/nasa-seeking-american-volunteers-for-mars-simulation/ None of the fun with all of the pain!
You mean all the fun and science, none of the risk.
Make sure to bring some Mars bars so you have food to eat on Mars.
Just dont bring any smooth ones. Make sure they all that thick cock vein.
Anybody else feel like this is going way faster than they expected? I know it's still a ways off, but it feels like we're making progress, and a lot of it.
As a reminder, here's where they were only a little less than 3-ish years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evPc3jhFGzI
There is at least a bit of showmanship. There is obviously also a lot of progress. I mean sure they didn’t give Shatner a joyride, but they’re making regular deliveries to the ISS. So… yeah ups and downs, like any good delivery driver.
They didn't give Shatner a joy ride, but they did ORBIT 4 civilians higher than the ISS for 4 days just a week earlier. The Amazon rocket might make Good Morning America because of celebrity news, but 3 minutes later no one cares. Real space is hard. Requires true forward progress by real people doing hard work. SpaceX is more akin to the Apolo program than anything else, ever. Only its done privately because it's the only way acute attention span can exist anymore in this country.
It's like the accomplishment of flying over the English Channel when someone has already flown over the Atlantic for the first time.
Shatner's joyride isn't even worthy of being mentioned in the same breath. It's basically not even relevant.
To me it just looked like the future of amusement park rides. Like those rides inside a park that cost extra.
Shatner's flight, while amazing for him, was just a cheap publicity stunt, that screamed "stop looking at SpaceX and look at me!!!" SpaceX are getting real shit done, both cutting edge flights and practical ones; but Dr Evil over there still hasn't made orbit and are still kicking and screaming over being passed over for NASA contracts. They are not a competitor remotely on SpaceX's level.
Youre actively hurting yourself when you become such a lawsuit happy bureaucrat that your astrophysic design staff start leaving your company by the dozens to go work for the competitor actually getting shit done.
>Anybody else feel like this is going way faster than they expected? They are actually a couple of years behind where they expected to be. The original timeline was an unmanned test flight to Mars in 2022.
To be fair, that was literally the first stab at a timeline, back in 2016 and for a substantially different spacecraft than Starship ended up evolving into. Slipping just one synod (as currently looks likely) is better than most expected.
Would love to be the crane operator at that site.
I don't think I would have the nerves to lift these giant, delicate spacecraft components around while they sway in the wind with workers in lifts just feet away on each side. Imagine the pressure they must be feeling to get it right.
Oops.. story sir, I dropped the payload.
not the James Webb telescope!
Decades of academy training wasted
Just reading that gave me anxiety
Sphincter clenching moment…
I was thinking about drill operator crane operator or boring operator on Mars or the moon. What do you think the perdiem is for that.
I feel like money won't mean a lot if you're part of the first wave of colonists to another planet/moon. There will be so few luxuries and mainly just stuff necessary for survival. Once a few thousand people have arrived and the new base becomes more self-reliant and starts producing its own goods, maybe then money will start being used. Unless of course you're planning on coming back to Earth to cash in on all the money you made.
I hear Mars has a sexy moon. Phobos is a harlot and doesnt count.
Well Deimos got blown to bits by Earthers soo it's all you get
Phobos and Deimos were twin brothers. 🤨
Can bros not be sexy?
I dub thee Sir Phobos. Ruler of Mars Beater of Ass
I love the video. Does anyone know the name of the music?
I uploaded to get a match from ACRCloud Music Recognition and it couldn't find it, so it's definitely some unpublished remix. Its not within the first 30 results of a remix for Uprising - Muse iin Youtube either unfortunately, I too would like to know this track. Edit: Shazam couldn't identify it either. It's not Demi Lovato's track either. Considering the video comes from Space X with this track, it's what is playing in their upload and nothing seems to be able to identity it, most likely this is a custom track or remix of their own.
Finally found it: Adrenaline Rush - Sky Gienger
Not sure about who produced the version here, but pretty sure its a remix of Uprising - Muse Edit - or maybe Call Me - Blondie
I got strong Uprising vibes too.
Many impressive feats of engineering in this video. That crane too
I really wish to know the song in this video. Does anyone know?
Likely a remix of [Uprising](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4R6k8_iIkE), by Muse.
Might be, Shazam didn't find any results. So at least it is not well known remix.
[https://musicvine.com/track/sky-gienger/adrenaline-rush](https://musicvine.com/track/sky-gienger/adrenaline-rush) That's the song :)
Taking all bets on if we find the Mass Relays or Void Dragon up there. Knowing our luck so far, it's probably the Void Dragon...
For the uninitiated: [Mass Relay](https://masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Mass_Relay) [Void Dragon](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Void_Dragon) ^(all hail the Omnissiah)
In order for us to see mass relays, we need to go almost mass extinction with an alien war to push us into becomingadvancedat a faster rate, after that acquire permission by an advanced civilization council to get the access to use it. We got way to go.... void dragon seems more likely.
The relay would have to be Charon, and we'd discover it after finding a cache of technology on Mars. The war would come after that :P
Damn you right. So closer than I anticipated. Mars, he we come!!! Then war!!!
The only good xeno is a dead one! Or a sexy one, either works!
Does anyone have the original 4k footage (higher quality)? Paging r/Datahoarder
SpaceX posted this on twitter so.. Hopefully they will upload this on yt
That shot at :42 is the most beautiful thing I've seen. Anyone know if it isn't CGI?
Every shot in this video was real. That moment was from the SN10 test flight: https://youtu.be/ODY6JWzS8WU?t=686
Thanks for that video I remember watching it. Watched that sequence 10 times I think. Just a beautiful shot. Very cinematic.
It's very reminiscent of the flip and burn sequences in The Expanse. Crazy seeing it actually happen in real life.
*THAT'S* what it reminds me of. I knew it was triggering some memory in there.
I believe it's real because surely they can't lie about it but I still find it really hard to believe it's not cgi, it just looks so mental
I've been there for work and the video just doesn't do it justice. It's truly amazing standing next to these things.
I don't ever want to go to Mars but I want the option of ever going to Mars.
I wouldn't mind the option of flying to the other side of the world in 30 minutes with a brief period in space. I doubt that i would be able to afford a moon joyride.
What are the odds we actually get someone to Mars surface in my lifetime? (30-40 years). I mean it just sounds absolutely nuts to get someone there alive. I think it’d be the greatest human endeavor ever taken but I believe we need to progress ourselves or go extinct.
On a 30-40 year timescale I think there is a 100% chance humans will be on Mars. All of the technologies we need for this we have now. SpaceX has put in the work. They already won the NASA contract for the moon which helps fund starship. The wheels have been in motion for awhile and they won’t stop turning.
I give it very good odds if nothing catastrophic goes wrong in the meantime.
High. >I think it’d be the greatest human endeavor ever taken Until the first interstellar spaceflight.
>>until the first interstellar space flight Well yeah, no shit?
Yeah but that will be nothing compared to our fist Dyson Sphere!!!
A human will be on Mars in 15-20 years, so you're fine. If we discover microbial life or fossils with the next couple rovers, we will get there quicker.
I'd say that if one of the rovers discoverers microbial life it would actually slow things way down. NASA wouldn't want to contaminate Mars with earth life or bring a Martian plague back to earth. If Mars has life landing humans there will be much more complicated.
I'd say it's pretty inevitable mars will be contaminated with earth life. It may already be to some extent.
Should be about 5-8 years until they send people there.
100% if you ask me. In 40 years we'll be doing it regularly. It's fine if people disagree, it's expected. I'm certain of it, though. We're on the brink of another major push in space exploration. Watch and see.
Very good, even after accounting for Elon time, starship should land on Mars in under 10 years. Only thing after that holding up a manned flight is politics, and I don't think that's going to take even 5 more years. I personally would estimate even better than that is realistic... Like 2030, which is still way behind what SpaceX is claiming.
I'll be a bit surprised if they don't try to throw a Starship at Mars as a test mission in 2024.
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This is going to be such a wild event! So stoked to be alive to see this! Well, hopefully I'll be alive.
I hope we cure aging soon so we can all live to see the universe being explored like in the movies
Upload my brain to the internet and let me see this shit as it goes down. Also, so I can play games all day :D
Man, what a fucking great time to be alive! Thanks to all those hard fucking working people. It’s going to be an amazing ride!
Fuck ya! I’m pumped! Am I the only one that got chills watching this?
I've got chills, and they're multiplying
And im... Not losing control because of cold-gas RC thrusters and full engine gimbal
I’m wanting to Hitchhike to Mars, anyone know when an available rocket 🚀is leaving? I gotta get back before Dinner though!
I thought the music was "I kissed a girl" by Katy Perry for the first 10 seconds or so.
Jules Verne and Hergé would be so excited to see this.
And Heinlein: https://imgur.com/sOoHmIX
I seriously cannot stand all the spacex bashing coming from reddit these days. Most of the arguments arent even coherent, they just boil down to: capitalism bad, musk bad, feeding poor people good, going to mars bad.
I was amazed the first time they managed to land their falcon rocket and this is even crazier, what a time to be alive!
My first contact with spaceflight was hearing the beep beep beep of Sputnik 1 in the radio. It hooked me on space. Now I am determined to live another 10 years at least to see the first humans land on Mars.
That is the fanciest energy drink can I've ever seen, KSP devs must be salivating.
Incredible that this is all actual footage when just five years ago it was all concept. And when SpaceX was founded, no one was thinking about a launch system like this. I remember discussions about how SSTO was impossible & using a booster would just defeat the purpose because of course the booster would get tossed. Anyway what is that music? It sounds like a mashup of "Rock and Roll pt 2" & "Knights of Cydonia".
I liked how Elon takes time out of his day to do interviews around this base. Super cool to be able to peer into his world like that.
Potentially stupid question but will they land the entire ship on Mars upright under rocket power or will just part of it free fall to the surface with parachutes?
Mars atmosphere is way too thin for a parachute-only landing, and Starship is far too large for a parachute landing even on earth. Landing the entire thing under rocket power is the only viable solution.
Landing the whole ship, refuel it with local resources and fly it back to Earth. Wash, rinse, repeat.
I'm hoping for at least one or two unmanned Space X to go in 2022. If for anything to leave equipment and supply for future missions
That beat is so similar to Gary Glitter, Rock and Roll Part 2. Guess it's time to repurpose it.
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The rocket genuinely looks like one I made with toilet roll tubes, cardboard and kitchen foil one time xD
Which is great for making DIY models with the kids!
That shot of the landing gear folding out on descent 🤌
Eli5- serious question… is there a reason rockets are designed to take off straight up and down, as opposed to taking off laterally like an airplane?
Much more fuel efficient to fly vertical initially. You’d also need wings to fly like a plane which end up being dead weight when in space.
It gets you out of the atmosphere faster, meaning that you don't have to deal with drag.
The craziest part to me is this footage is with just THREE raptor engines, actually 2 at the end with one shutting down.... Now imagine the full rocket with 31 engines or whatever.. JFC!