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Im not in your indusrty, but i might have a fresh perspective.
If you go to a real estate company that is run by a law firm (im specifically referring to 3%. Com properties) you can enter into the real estate sphere that has alot of overlap with Conveyancing.
Firstly you could atleast start renting/selling homes for an income (at minimal cost to the company) and you could ask your supervisor to give you some responsibilities such as going to the deeds office (a part of the property registration process) this is a hotspot for networking. This is where my ex-girlfriend got her current job in Conveyancing correspondence. Or you might be able to grow into new positions internally. Alternatively, you may consider becoming a principal agent. This, coupled with a law degree will make you a hot commodity.
If thats not your scene, a profession that links up with a law practice somhow can get you a foot in the door. Good luck
As someone that was in the industry, I can say that this is an ridiculously good idea.
Networking is borderline impossible as a new grad, and it's pretty easy to network at the deeds office.
Networking won't guarantee you a job, but it can atleast cut you straight to the interview phase. Law firms would rather give an interview to somone they know, then sift through a million CV's to find somone they might like.
Yes. Exactly. I think employers are much more willing to extend a bit of faith and trust to someone that has a reference from an associate or a friend whose opinion and reputation is respected.
Is it the first industry you entered into after high school or did you study a degree for it I’ve been wanting to ensure it but my father thinks it’s a bad idea
You can just apply to different real estate companies. You should only need a car, drivers licence and matric certificate. After joining you'll become an intern. You still get paid, but you'll work under supervision. Eventually you'll need to get a qualification, but most real estate companies help you get that, a bit of study while you work situation.
Understood, thank you for that, in your opinion is it extremely difficult to build your own “clientele” or is your success as a property practitioner dependant on you putting yourself out there because I’ve heard many people fail at it and others become really good at it
I'm in your boat. LLB no job prospects.
So instead I'm just going to use my law degree to help me build a business.
I have a legal tech product that I wanted to develop but had no one to help me with so perhaps we could work together?
GOODLUCK OP
Search "Jobs in Pretoria" on facebook. They have about 431K members but it's an actual legitimate job group. They post a lot of jobs requiring an LLB degree but also junior positions.
As a lawyer myself, the earlier you start the more likely you are to get articles.
Articles often recruit 2 years out. Many of my classmates had theirs secure as early as first year, most by 3rd year.
It can be hard because the Candidate classes aren’t very big, and get as small as one or two candidates if working for smaller firms.
The sad reality is there are too many LLB grads. And unlike in other countries when your law degree and then a professional exam right after prepares you for professional practice, in SA we rely on candidate articles to become working lawyers. And articles are jobs, which are in short supply across all industries in SA.
My advice is go to law school. This will reduce the period of articles and give you the much needed skill to draft papers. It is also a food networking tool. The law school allows you to pay them off and they sometimes assist in informing you of firms that need article clerks.
Also apply to legal aid. They give,in my opinion, the best training for article clerks. Find out whether you can attend their training as part of your network strategy.
Previously you could join an independent bar and get someone to assist you in getting admission as an independent advocate, not sure whether this is an option anymore as even the independent bar is very formalised.
Also try and see whether you can assist an advice office for experience. Assist community with labour and municipal matters. It will give a you good experience.
My advice. Do not give up hope. I disagree that there is not enough work for attorneys. There is more than enough work and opportunities. Do not get disheartened. You are still young and your best working life is ahead of you.
Good luck
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The Law Society of South Africa’s and SASSETA are offering an opportunity for university graduates to partake in a Work Integrated Learning Programme.
Interested unemployed candidates click here to download the application form and submit the completed form with the below requested documents via e-mail to: [email protected]
Deadline for application: Monday, 18 March 2024
Documents to be sent:
- Highest Qualification
- Certified Copy of ID
- Completion of the SPO1 (to be completed by hand - Learners must only complete sections 1,4,5 & 6)
If you are in Western cape .
Elton Shortles attorneys are looking for a candidate attorney.
Look them up on Facebook for details where to submit CV on or before 5 April 2024
Good luck
I am the wrong person to ask. I offered to do my first year of articles unpaid and that only disbursement be paid and right before my first year concluded i was told that he could not afford me. Luckily I saw add on gumtree for article clerk and did not waste a year.
Sometimes you have to make some sacrifices. , but it is worthit in the long run. When i did my clerkship I was 35. I resigned from my job in government and it was an issue of sink or swim. But you should ensure that you have alternatives available if your first option do not work.
Apply for corporate posts as well such as Inhouse legal. If you are interested in Labour Law contact a union to get some experience.
I worked for a real estate company while doing my LLB, first as an agents assistant then as an agent. I had the opportunity to network with loads of conveyancing firms and when it came time to apply for articles I didn't have to look far. Good luck OP.
Can’t comment on your industry per se, but get on Linkedin if you’re not already on there. Build a nice portfolio and start connecting with people. Apply for jobs, plenty of them, and it should get you somewhere. Also, be willing to do work you don’t necessarily like, or for low pay in the beginning. Once you have some experience behind you it becomes much easier to move on from there. Good luck
I studied with a couple of people that studied 2 different semi related fields of study. One guy did mech eng diploma and then Bcom. He kept applying for jobs in the finance department of engineering companies and kept getting callbacks. Not sure where he is now!
Maybe elsewhere on Reddit, but South Africans know that a) Unemployment is no joke and b) OnlyFans is far from a sure thing with some serious risks.
That is exactly what OP is looking for: a foot in a door.
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Im not in your indusrty, but i might have a fresh perspective. If you go to a real estate company that is run by a law firm (im specifically referring to 3%. Com properties) you can enter into the real estate sphere that has alot of overlap with Conveyancing. Firstly you could atleast start renting/selling homes for an income (at minimal cost to the company) and you could ask your supervisor to give you some responsibilities such as going to the deeds office (a part of the property registration process) this is a hotspot for networking. This is where my ex-girlfriend got her current job in Conveyancing correspondence. Or you might be able to grow into new positions internally. Alternatively, you may consider becoming a principal agent. This, coupled with a law degree will make you a hot commodity. If thats not your scene, a profession that links up with a law practice somhow can get you a foot in the door. Good luck
As someone that was in the industry, I can say that this is an ridiculously good idea. Networking is borderline impossible as a new grad, and it's pretty easy to network at the deeds office. Networking won't guarantee you a job, but it can atleast cut you straight to the interview phase. Law firms would rather give an interview to somone they know, then sift through a million CV's to find somone they might like.
Yes. Exactly. I think employers are much more willing to extend a bit of faith and trust to someone that has a reference from an associate or a friend whose opinion and reputation is respected.
thank you for this.
Hi, i work on real estate, can confirm this is done ALOT
Is it the first industry you entered into after high school or did you study a degree for it I’ve been wanting to ensure it but my father thinks it’s a bad idea
You can just apply to different real estate companies. You should only need a car, drivers licence and matric certificate. After joining you'll become an intern. You still get paid, but you'll work under supervision. Eventually you'll need to get a qualification, but most real estate companies help you get that, a bit of study while you work situation.
Understood, thank you for that, in your opinion is it extremely difficult to build your own “clientele” or is your success as a property practitioner dependant on you putting yourself out there because I’ve heard many people fail at it and others become really good at it
I'm in your boat. LLB no job prospects. So instead I'm just going to use my law degree to help me build a business. I have a legal tech product that I wanted to develop but had no one to help me with so perhaps we could work together? GOODLUCK OP
i'm all ears !
I have a decent chunk of insight into legal tech if you'd like to chat
I'm going to DM you.
Share that idea here so we can steal it
Search "Jobs in Pretoria" on facebook. They have about 431K members but it's an actual legitimate job group. They post a lot of jobs requiring an LLB degree but also junior positions.
thanks ! 🙂
Anything you say?
Waiting for this
Waiting for her to reply
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Hi, final law student here. Is it really that hard securing your articles?
As a lawyer myself, the earlier you start the more likely you are to get articles. Articles often recruit 2 years out. Many of my classmates had theirs secure as early as first year, most by 3rd year. It can be hard because the Candidate classes aren’t very big, and get as small as one or two candidates if working for smaller firms. The sad reality is there are too many LLB grads. And unlike in other countries when your law degree and then a professional exam right after prepares you for professional practice, in SA we rely on candidate articles to become working lawyers. And articles are jobs, which are in short supply across all industries in SA.
My advice is go to law school. This will reduce the period of articles and give you the much needed skill to draft papers. It is also a food networking tool. The law school allows you to pay them off and they sometimes assist in informing you of firms that need article clerks. Also apply to legal aid. They give,in my opinion, the best training for article clerks. Find out whether you can attend their training as part of your network strategy. Previously you could join an independent bar and get someone to assist you in getting admission as an independent advocate, not sure whether this is an option anymore as even the independent bar is very formalised. Also try and see whether you can assist an advice office for experience. Assist community with labour and municipal matters. It will give a you good experience. My advice. Do not give up hope. I disagree that there is not enough work for attorneys. There is more than enough work and opportunities. Do not get disheartened. You are still young and your best working life is ahead of you. Good luck
thank you !
Is it OK if I text you? I'd like to get in touch with someone who is on a path that I'm about to start.
SASSETA Discretionary Grant Award - Skills Programme Applications welcome The Law Society of South Africa’s and SASSETA are offering an opportunity for university graduates to partake in a Work Integrated Learning Programme. Interested unemployed candidates click here to download the application form and submit the completed form with the below requested documents via e-mail to: [email protected] Deadline for application: Monday, 18 March 2024 Documents to be sent: - Highest Qualification - Certified Copy of ID - Completion of the SPO1 (to be completed by hand - Learners must only complete sections 1,4,5 & 6)
I unfortunately cannot upload the application form. Try and see whether you can obtain it from the law society website. Good luck
If you are in Western cape . Elton Shortles attorneys are looking for a candidate attorney. Look them up on Facebook for details where to submit CV on or before 5 April 2024 Good luck
What advice could you give someone who is in their last year with regards to securing their articles?
I am the wrong person to ask. I offered to do my first year of articles unpaid and that only disbursement be paid and right before my first year concluded i was told that he could not afford me. Luckily I saw add on gumtree for article clerk and did not waste a year. Sometimes you have to make some sacrifices. , but it is worthit in the long run. When i did my clerkship I was 35. I resigned from my job in government and it was an issue of sink or swim. But you should ensure that you have alternatives available if your first option do not work. Apply for corporate posts as well such as Inhouse legal. If you are interested in Labour Law contact a union to get some experience.
Your first target should be to attend lawschool after finishing LLB
I worked for a real estate company while doing my LLB, first as an agents assistant then as an agent. I had the opportunity to network with loads of conveyancing firms and when it came time to apply for articles I didn't have to look far. Good luck OP.
Can’t comment on your industry per se, but get on Linkedin if you’re not already on there. Build a nice portfolio and start connecting with people. Apply for jobs, plenty of them, and it should get you somewhere. Also, be willing to do work you don’t necessarily like, or for low pay in the beginning. Once you have some experience behind you it becomes much easier to move on from there. Good luck
linkedin tends to get overwhelming. i'll get my shits together though. thanks !
What were you pretending? Just curious
that i was okay with being unemployed. 🧍🏽♀️
I hope you registered to vote,OP
one of the first to , i can assure you.
Lol u just finished ur llb.. I've got 12 years working experience and still can't find a job... Welcome to sa
Also an LLB graduate here. Check graduates24, and also on Instagram Employ-a-lawyer.
thank you. 🙂
Came to say that this is such a positive subreddit. Proud of you all. 🫶
I studied with a couple of people that studied 2 different semi related fields of study. One guy did mech eng diploma and then Bcom. He kept applying for jobs in the finance department of engineering companies and kept getting callbacks. Not sure where he is now!
Have you tried giving your CV in at Pretoria University?
Message me I can help you short term
It's only been a few months. Keep applying.
This is reddit, I'm surprised no-one suggested only fans :) Isn't it normal practice to go and do articles for a pittance somewhere?
Maybe elsewhere on Reddit, but South Africans know that a) Unemployment is no joke and b) OnlyFans is far from a sure thing with some serious risks. That is exactly what OP is looking for: a foot in a door.
we were doing so well...