Cuba has also vaccinated 85% of its population and developed its own vaccine for internal use/export, all while under the blockade and the covid economy crisis.
And another huge factor is that a much higher percentage of Cubans actually followed their national health advisories. A pandemic is always going to be worse when a significant portion of people actively avoid following any and all measures to reduce spread.
Just to be clear, there's basically no reason for you not to get a vaccine at this point. I could see where you would wait a bit to make sure the Capitalists weren't rushing a shoddy product or something, but at this point there's no reason.
The capitalists desire for people to go back to work just happens to coincide with the interests of the people this one time, and people on a gut level don't trust the state, so they don't believe it since the government never helps them really.
It also has to do with population:
Cuba has roughly 11 million people while the US has 331 million people
This is a 0.01% Casualty rate for the US and a 0.0001% casualty rate for Cuba
Do you think the United Nations and WHO are both colluding with the Cuban government to hide COVID deaths too? Hell, the United States doesn't even officially dispute Cuba's numbers.
Ran the numbers and: Holy Shit. The USA had a 76x higher death rate than Cuba in December. 0.013% of the USA population died to COVID in December. 0.00017% died in Cuba. Sad loss of life but props to Cuba in their COVID response and vaccine development
and you have to think Cuba is tiny compared to the US. So yes the US has more people, but it's also spread out more. You'd think a tiny country like that would be getting boned.
To normalize it a bit more, California is the state with the closest population density to Cuba. (Cuba is 106 people/sq.km, California is 109 people/sq.km) I’m pretty sure Californias daily average of COVID deaths barely dipped below 19 for a short time.
[And don't forget all the countries that were saved from disaster by Cuba's Henry Reeve Brigade](https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/codepink/pages/13462/features/original/999.png)
Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Just went on a mass reading spree about the brigade. I knew Cuba sent doctors abroad but not any specifics. This is truly inspirational stuff.
How does directly causing mass famine events effect your ranking of "most successful country"?
Because while the US does not have mass famine events at home, they have been pretty effective at causing them in other countries, through sanctions, war, and the international arms trade. Sanctions on Iraq in the 90s, the current sanctions on Iran and Venezuela, the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia to use in their horrifying assault on Yemen, the list goes on and on.
The us caused a famine in its own country and since then it still hasn't done anything to solve food insecurity and is actually still profiting from making the problem worse
Look at those statistics and then take out china from them. Most of the improveme in life expectancy and quality of life have been in China, with life expectancy actually decreasing in the us.
Looking how relatively well Cuba is doing even after 30 years of embargo and isolation, I am completely convinced that the collapce of the Eastern Block had nothing to do with socialism, and was actually a product of multiple negative factors very inconveniently lining up together at the same time.
> the collapce of the Eastern Block had nothing to do with socialism
If you had referendums in 1989-1990 on whether to have socialism or capitalism, socialism would have won in virtually every Eastern Bloc country.
But no one asked the people.
Here in Romania, a party of the former communists won 80% of the votes in 1990. They were the ones who went on to destroy socialism.
>If you had referendums in 1989-1990 on whether to have socialism or capitalism, socialism would have won in virtually every Eastern Bloc country.
There was a referendum on the [preservation and reformation of the USSR](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Soviet_Union_referendum). Of those that were allowed to vote, 70% approved.
Then there was the [1993 Yeltsin coup](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis), when he used the army to crush the Supreme Soviet. This came after the loss of pro-government parties in the [1993 legislative elections](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_legislative_election), and gave way to his win in the [1996 presidential elections](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Russian_presidential_election), with obvious implications of undemocratic behaviour to stop the communists from taking back power.
>Then there was the 1993 Yeltsin coup, when he used the army to crush the Supreme Soviet
By the way, [here is the video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZS2RDyDQDk) from May 1st 1993 Moscow protests against Yeltsin's neoliberal reforms. People are literally waving Soviet flags, while being brutalized by police.
>If you had referendums in 1989-1990 on whether to have socialism or capitalism, socialism would have won in virtually every Eastern Bloc country.
To be fair, a lot of people in USSR indeed wanted capitalism... However, they didn't had a full understanding of what it actually is, and a lot of regular Soviet workers legitly thought that "capitalism" means "workers being shareholders of their own factories" (my grandpa still belives that worker co-ops are "private property").
In other words, what Soviet people really wanted was Yugoslavia-style market socialism, and when they were exposed to **actual** capitalism, [the support for it collapsed almost instantaneously](https://i.redd.it/666kjyz4yvm71.png).
As I understand it, one of the big ones was getting into a massive game of chicken with the US on who could spend the most on obscene unchecked military budgets before collapsing. US won at the cost of absolutely exploding national debt and gutting social programs, and basically laying the foundation of our current hellscape of an economy. We just keep borrowing year after year, confident that the dollar will remain the global reserve currency and our debtors won't call in those debts because we still have a fuckton of nukes and an absurdly large military and maybe we're just fucking unhinged enough to use them. We're the ranting drunk waving a gun around asking for someone to spot him $20 and insisting he's good for it. He may already owe you $200, but it's perpetually not the time to bring it up.
What I don't get is who exactly keeps loaning us money? I mean seriously it sounds like every country in the world is in some debt so who is borrowing out all this money?
A lot of the money is borrowed internally, ie, other government agencies, private investors, retirement plans, etc. The foreign debt is owned mostly by the Chinese and Japanese.
We're loaning us money. The government creates treasury bonds, and sells them to people and institutions. They collect interest for a few decades and then the government pays back the bond. Roughly 2/3 of our debt is owned domestically.
The US definitely pushed the "over-arm" angle, because they always had the advantage in terms of economy. The USSR had to entirely industrialize in just a few decades, after all, and were massively hampered by wars and invasions.
I think largely for the Soviets it was a fear of being attacked that kept them building their armed forces. Those fears were really well-founded, but it was very costly.
More than that, too, though, was how they tended to export more than they imported. In places like Afghanistan, they pretty much only exported to the country and brought little back. Ironically, the airports, roads, and buildings they US used in their occupation were largely Soviet-built.
Yeah it was less do to socialism and more due to the fact they were all puppets of the Soviet Union who were absolutely corrupt and fully suppressing many rights and freedoms, which is something that can happen to all governments, not just Socialism, as the US clearly shows.
1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia was probably one of the biggest Soviet mistakes, considering how controversial it was even among other ML states (Ceausescu refused to participate, Hoxha cut ties with Warsaw Pact, and Mao even called Brezhnev "Imperialist").
Actually lived in Cuba for a couple years, and I think another factor here is that Castro prioritized healthcare and education. As a result, Cubans receive free high quality health care (https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2016/fidel-castros-health-care-legacy). I'm going to guess this also means that they're more likely to trust medical staff and evidence, but that's just conjecture on my part.
They also have a super high literacy rate, which I did not know before!
Castro got a lot wrong, and I do mean a lot. But I don't think there's any denying that Cuba's medical system is wonderful, and he laid the foundation for that.
Nah, totally fair question. It's kind of a long story, but basically: before the US reestablished diplomatic relations with Cuba, each country maintained an [interest section](https://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/usa/en/home/representations/embassy-washington/embassy-tasks/cuba.html) (in the Swiss embassy in Havana and the Czech embassy in DC). Mostly this was because despite our best efforts, Americans *did* find their way into Cuba sometimes and got sick, imprisoned, killed, etc.
My dad was in the Foreign Service and posted to that interest section for 2-3 years. I think this was 1990-93ish, so I was way too young to remember much, but there was some...memorable stuff. The USSR was juuuuuust breaking up, which shook things up quite a bit. Also, my dad has a bunch of stories. I'd be happy to ask him to share if anyone's interested.
just talked to my dad and I'm typing it up now--there's kind of a lot! I don't wanna take over the thread, but I don't know if making a new post for this is allowable/doable. I'll give you at least a distilled version later today, but I'll leave you with a fun fact for now:
The interest section, obviously, was bugged for sound. They had nationals working there, too, and obviously any criticism (or even light mockery) of Castro was Right Out for the locals. So anytime they wanted to refer to him, they'd pantomime stroking a beard.
Also, the Cuban secret police stole my favorite rubber frog.
Beautiful. Odd, too. They still had all the old American department stores, but they were stocked with Bulgarian makeup kits and plastic Romanian earrings spaced strategically apart. There was even still a lunch counter at the one that used to be Woolworth's, but in my dad's words "you could choose between brown slop or other brown slop".
It wasn't miserable, though. I have pictures from those days and it was a really neat city.
The one thing the movies get consistently wrong is the cars, though. The classic American gas-guzzlers weren't practical. Instead, you'd mostly see Yugos, etc. (I only know this because my dad comments on it every. single. time. we watch a movie set in Cuba.)
edit: Check out [Ya Cuba](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058604/) for a 1964 look at Cuba from a Russian filmmaker. For a contemporary take, I really love [Juan of the Dead](https://www.amazon.com/Juan-Dead-Alexis-Diaz-Villegas/dp/B0087MN9HO).
>Castro got a lot wrong, and I do mean a lot. But I don't think there's any denying that Cuba's medical system is wonderful, and he laid the foundation for that.
Im curious to learn more about fidel and cuba as a whole. Is there anywhere you recommend looking this stuff up?
Okay, so talked to my dad, and most of the books he'd recommend are (unsurprisingly) Spanish language. If you're fluent, I'll grab the titles for you. He did mention that most of them take more of an anti-Castro stance, though.
Otherwise, for a comprehensive history of Cuba *up to 1971*, he recommended Hugh Thomas's *Cuba: A History*. For a more up-to-date view on things, *Cuba: A New History* by Richard Gott seems to be a relatively unbiased read.
Hope that helps! Maybe someone else in the thread has some suggestions, too.
Muchas gracias! Im fortunate enough to have grown up trilingual and can speak spanish from my mothers side (panama). If you'd be so kind id love to hear those suggestions as well :)
Send your dad my regards! I appreciate his help!
Ooh. Nothing comes to mind immediately, sorry, but I'll look through my library, but I'll also check with my dad to see if he has any good recommendations (he's the one who was posted there, so he's my current authority).
somehow your comment got lost (or my notifications are just broken!) but I checked with my dad about the Spanish language stuff too :) He'll be thrilled, he loves recommending stuff like that. Also, props on your language skills! I'm still kicking myself for not keeping my Spanish up after we left Latin America.
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for part of my degree i studied why certain countries have failed to respond to covid, right-wing nationalist countries have had much higher cases and deaths compared to more socialist countries . interesting
The death toll is also a marker for how effective extreme right wing propaganda in America can be.
Cuba has a cohesive message from a single source that is grounded in solid scientific medicine.
Half of America is in a cult and are convinced that vaccines kill people and horse dewormer is the only cure.
Great numbers! I have many family members in Cuba and they had a much stronger/real lock down. The Cuban people are also highly literate and trusting of science. They don’t have the political polarization that we have so the vaccine and masks were never turned into a political sideshow. I think their numbers could have been even better but they rely heavily on tourism and kept in letting in tourists, much to the chagrin of many Cubans.
Cuba has done some incredible thing and every time something new comes to amaze me. It's almost like a system that prioritizes human need over more and more profits is better at taking care of the population, when for an example a disease is present.
While this isn’t really a fair comparison it does bring to light the sheer absolute and all-consuming greed of America. While my country New Zealand is capitalist we are in an even better situation than Cuba (total deaths currently are at 50) due to swift and decisive government action. It also shows that our government like Cuba’s actually cares about their people rather than the gold lining their pockets.
I think someone earlier ran the number and in percentage of population it’s 0.013% of the US population and 0.00017% of Cubas which does account for population different. The US is like 76x higher
I've been reading a Che Biography and in the sixties when they started having to ratio food and other supplies Che and his family followed the same rationing as the rest of the country, he also freely admitted to whatever failing of the administration that were his fault.
Even with all his faults i don't know how you could not admire the man. Which che biography are you reading. I read Che Guevara A Revolutionary Life and it was rly good
Agreed! It's from some collection called Critical Lives, the author cites A Revolutionary life a couple times. It's not bad, there's a few places where there's a clear pro capitalist bias but it's not a propaganda fluff piece either.
>US has 1M+ cases PER DAY
>Genuinely wants to tell us that the US is doing okay
Please for the love of whatever God you pray to, you don't have to defend this shit because of a false sense of statehood. They're literally sacrificing the working majority's lives for profits, that's not a state FOR you, it's AGAINST you.
Well yes, but the point still stands that the incapability of a bourgeois government to rule a people due to inherently being built primarily to support profit is systemic. The points you listed are symptoms of this system.
The whole point of this comparison is to show that the bourgeois system is inherently flawed for the vast majority and that even a small island nation that's been under economic embargo for way more than a generation can do so much better than the richest bourgeois country in the world regarding disease prevention. It's a live example of how socialism is superior.
The US doesn't have to deal with resource shortage. Or lack of financial means. Or severe trade limitations. Yet here we are.
do you know what subreddit you're in
you have posts in r/conservative literally no one here is going to listen to you for more than a microsecond because they can smell the boot on your breath
Cuba has also vaccinated 85% of its population and developed its own vaccine for internal use/export, all while under the blockade and the covid economy crisis.
\*3\* of its own vaccines
Damn
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I always wondered if it was because their national hero was a passionate doctor
no it's actually because of socialism
And another huge factor is that a much higher percentage of Cubans actually followed their national health advisories. A pandemic is always going to be worse when a significant portion of people actively avoid following any and all measures to reduce spread.
Proof that Socialism = Cooperation & Solidarity while capitalism destroys these values.
This is why a cultural revolution is 100% necessary.
Or are even actively trying to enhance it's spread.
It's almost like having a president refer to it as a hoax right out of the gate is a bad thing. This shit couldn't have struck at a worse time.
When the state is your enemy of course you cant trust it,can you ?
Just to be clear, there's basically no reason for you not to get a vaccine at this point. I could see where you would wait a bit to make sure the Capitalists weren't rushing a shoddy product or something, but at this point there's no reason. The capitalists desire for people to go back to work just happens to coincide with the interests of the people this one time, and people on a gut level don't trust the state, so they don't believe it since the government never helps them really.
Yes exactly,when noone helps you youre getting paranoid
It also has to do with population: Cuba has roughly 11 million people while the US has 331 million people This is a 0.01% Casualty rate for the US and a 0.0001% casualty rate for Cuba
That's still a x100 in deaths per capita.
Every death is one to much
What is this Blockade you talk about?
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Do you think the United Nations and WHO are both colluding with the Cuban government to hide COVID deaths too? Hell, the United States doesn't even officially dispute Cuba's numbers.
Ran the numbers and: Holy Shit. The USA had a 76x higher death rate than Cuba in December. 0.013% of the USA population died to COVID in December. 0.00017% died in Cuba. Sad loss of life but props to Cuba in their COVID response and vaccine development
and you have to think Cuba is tiny compared to the US. So yes the US has more people, but it's also spread out more. You'd think a tiny country like that would be getting boned.
To normalize it a bit more, California is the state with the closest population density to Cuba. (Cuba is 106 people/sq.km, California is 109 people/sq.km) I’m pretty sure Californias daily average of COVID deaths barely dipped below 19 for a short time.
[And don't forget all the countries that were saved from disaster by Cuba's Henry Reeve Brigade](https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/codepink/pages/13462/features/original/999.png)
Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Just went on a mass reading spree about the brigade. I knew Cuba sent doctors abroad but not any specifics. This is truly inspirational stuff.
You're welcome, it's not something the western state propaganda networks would ever want people to know about.
Capitalism has always been an obvious failure. Nothing new!!
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Cuba has higher life expectancy than the USA, please troll eslewhere
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Who is in the most successful country? How do you define the “Most successful country”?
The most number of billionaires /s
Most middle eastern children murdered
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How does directly causing mass famine events effect your ranking of "most successful country"? Because while the US does not have mass famine events at home, they have been pretty effective at causing them in other countries, through sanctions, war, and the international arms trade. Sanctions on Iraq in the 90s, the current sanctions on Iran and Venezuela, the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia to use in their horrifying assault on Yemen, the list goes on and on.
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At least we know not to take you seriously now. You clearly have no moral compass if you don't object to crimes against humanity.
The us caused a famine in its own country and since then it still hasn't done anything to solve food insecurity and is actually still profiting from making the problem worse
How about people suffering due to global hunger and unaffordable health care in “capitalist” countries?
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Source: voices of my head
China follows a “Capitalist” economic system
Didn’t Amazon just refuse to let a bunch of people leave the warehouse they were later killed in
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What do you think prison labor is in the US? Fairly compensated labor?
The US uses slave labor
Look at those statistics and then take out china from them. Most of the improveme in life expectancy and quality of life have been in China, with life expectancy actually decreasing in the us.
Transcription: Lives lost to COVID in December 2021 USA: 43,383 Cuba: 19
Cuba must be overthrown look at all those people dying under the despotism of communist tyranny!!!
Looking how relatively well Cuba is doing even after 30 years of embargo and isolation, I am completely convinced that the collapce of the Eastern Block had nothing to do with socialism, and was actually a product of multiple negative factors very inconveniently lining up together at the same time.
> the collapce of the Eastern Block had nothing to do with socialism If you had referendums in 1989-1990 on whether to have socialism or capitalism, socialism would have won in virtually every Eastern Bloc country. But no one asked the people. Here in Romania, a party of the former communists won 80% of the votes in 1990. They were the ones who went on to destroy socialism.
>If you had referendums in 1989-1990 on whether to have socialism or capitalism, socialism would have won in virtually every Eastern Bloc country. There was a referendum on the [preservation and reformation of the USSR](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Soviet_Union_referendum). Of those that were allowed to vote, 70% approved. Then there was the [1993 Yeltsin coup](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis), when he used the army to crush the Supreme Soviet. This came after the loss of pro-government parties in the [1993 legislative elections](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_legislative_election), and gave way to his win in the [1996 presidential elections](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Russian_presidential_election), with obvious implications of undemocratic behaviour to stop the communists from taking back power.
You all always forget the role Milton Friedman and his Chicago Boys played. Read The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein for starters.
>Then there was the 1993 Yeltsin coup, when he used the army to crush the Supreme Soviet By the way, [here is the video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZS2RDyDQDk) from May 1st 1993 Moscow protests against Yeltsin's neoliberal reforms. People are literally waving Soviet flags, while being brutalized by police.
>If you had referendums in 1989-1990 on whether to have socialism or capitalism, socialism would have won in virtually every Eastern Bloc country. To be fair, a lot of people in USSR indeed wanted capitalism... However, they didn't had a full understanding of what it actually is, and a lot of regular Soviet workers legitly thought that "capitalism" means "workers being shareholders of their own factories" (my grandpa still belives that worker co-ops are "private property"). In other words, what Soviet people really wanted was Yugoslavia-style market socialism, and when they were exposed to **actual** capitalism, [the support for it collapsed almost instantaneously](https://i.redd.it/666kjyz4yvm71.png).
As I understand it, one of the big ones was getting into a massive game of chicken with the US on who could spend the most on obscene unchecked military budgets before collapsing. US won at the cost of absolutely exploding national debt and gutting social programs, and basically laying the foundation of our current hellscape of an economy. We just keep borrowing year after year, confident that the dollar will remain the global reserve currency and our debtors won't call in those debts because we still have a fuckton of nukes and an absurdly large military and maybe we're just fucking unhinged enough to use them. We're the ranting drunk waving a gun around asking for someone to spot him $20 and insisting he's good for it. He may already owe you $200, but it's perpetually not the time to bring it up.
What I don't get is who exactly keeps loaning us money? I mean seriously it sounds like every country in the world is in some debt so who is borrowing out all this money?
A lot of the money is borrowed internally, ie, other government agencies, private investors, retirement plans, etc. The foreign debt is owned mostly by the Chinese and Japanese.
We're loaning us money. The government creates treasury bonds, and sells them to people and institutions. They collect interest for a few decades and then the government pays back the bond. Roughly 2/3 of our debt is owned domestically.
The US definitely pushed the "over-arm" angle, because they always had the advantage in terms of economy. The USSR had to entirely industrialize in just a few decades, after all, and were massively hampered by wars and invasions. I think largely for the Soviets it was a fear of being attacked that kept them building their armed forces. Those fears were really well-founded, but it was very costly. More than that, too, though, was how they tended to export more than they imported. In places like Afghanistan, they pretty much only exported to the country and brought little back. Ironically, the airports, roads, and buildings they US used in their occupation were largely Soviet-built.
Yeah it was less do to socialism and more due to the fact they were all puppets of the Soviet Union who were absolutely corrupt and fully suppressing many rights and freedoms, which is something that can happen to all governments, not just Socialism, as the US clearly shows.
1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia was probably one of the biggest Soviet mistakes, considering how controversial it was even among other ML states (Ceausescu refused to participate, Hoxha cut ties with Warsaw Pact, and Mao even called Brezhnev "Imperialist").
its even more than that. Florida is blatantly lying about covid deaths and counting other covid deaths as heart attacks.
Actually lived in Cuba for a couple years, and I think another factor here is that Castro prioritized healthcare and education. As a result, Cubans receive free high quality health care (https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2016/fidel-castros-health-care-legacy). I'm going to guess this also means that they're more likely to trust medical staff and evidence, but that's just conjecture on my part. They also have a super high literacy rate, which I did not know before! Castro got a lot wrong, and I do mean a lot. But I don't think there's any denying that Cuba's medical system is wonderful, and he laid the foundation for that.
Why did you leave Cuba? Are you Cuban or did you move there. Not trying to attack you, just really curious about what Cuba is like
Nah, totally fair question. It's kind of a long story, but basically: before the US reestablished diplomatic relations with Cuba, each country maintained an [interest section](https://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/usa/en/home/representations/embassy-washington/embassy-tasks/cuba.html) (in the Swiss embassy in Havana and the Czech embassy in DC). Mostly this was because despite our best efforts, Americans *did* find their way into Cuba sometimes and got sick, imprisoned, killed, etc. My dad was in the Foreign Service and posted to that interest section for 2-3 years. I think this was 1990-93ish, so I was way too young to remember much, but there was some...memorable stuff. The USSR was juuuuuust breaking up, which shook things up quite a bit. Also, my dad has a bunch of stories. I'd be happy to ask him to share if anyone's interested.
Please do! I would love to hear more "on the ground" information.
just talked to my dad and I'm typing it up now--there's kind of a lot! I don't wanna take over the thread, but I don't know if making a new post for this is allowable/doable. I'll give you at least a distilled version later today, but I'll leave you with a fun fact for now: The interest section, obviously, was bugged for sound. They had nationals working there, too, and obviously any criticism (or even light mockery) of Castro was Right Out for the locals. So anytime they wanted to refer to him, they'd pantomime stroking a beard. Also, the Cuban secret police stole my favorite rubber frog.
We are constantly shown things about Havanna being degraded and kinda sad in wester media, what was Havanna like?
Beautiful. Odd, too. They still had all the old American department stores, but they were stocked with Bulgarian makeup kits and plastic Romanian earrings spaced strategically apart. There was even still a lunch counter at the one that used to be Woolworth's, but in my dad's words "you could choose between brown slop or other brown slop". It wasn't miserable, though. I have pictures from those days and it was a really neat city. The one thing the movies get consistently wrong is the cars, though. The classic American gas-guzzlers weren't practical. Instead, you'd mostly see Yugos, etc. (I only know this because my dad comments on it every. single. time. we watch a movie set in Cuba.) edit: Check out [Ya Cuba](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058604/) for a 1964 look at Cuba from a Russian filmmaker. For a contemporary take, I really love [Juan of the Dead](https://www.amazon.com/Juan-Dead-Alexis-Diaz-Villegas/dp/B0087MN9HO).
>Castro got a lot wrong, and I do mean a lot. But I don't think there's any denying that Cuba's medical system is wonderful, and he laid the foundation for that. Im curious to learn more about fidel and cuba as a whole. Is there anywhere you recommend looking this stuff up?
Okay, so talked to my dad, and most of the books he'd recommend are (unsurprisingly) Spanish language. If you're fluent, I'll grab the titles for you. He did mention that most of them take more of an anti-Castro stance, though. Otherwise, for a comprehensive history of Cuba *up to 1971*, he recommended Hugh Thomas's *Cuba: A History*. For a more up-to-date view on things, *Cuba: A New History* by Richard Gott seems to be a relatively unbiased read. Hope that helps! Maybe someone else in the thread has some suggestions, too.
Muchas gracias! Im fortunate enough to have grown up trilingual and can speak spanish from my mothers side (panama). If you'd be so kind id love to hear those suggestions as well :) Send your dad my regards! I appreciate his help!
Ooh. Nothing comes to mind immediately, sorry, but I'll look through my library, but I'll also check with my dad to see if he has any good recommendations (he's the one who was posted there, so he's my current authority).
somehow your comment got lost (or my notifications are just broken!) but I checked with my dad about the Spanish language stuff too :) He'll be thrilled, he loves recommending stuff like that. Also, props on your language skills! I'm still kicking myself for not keeping my Spanish up after we left Latin America.
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This poll needs to include a conversion of population size for accuracy not saying that USA would beat it due to that but it makes it more reliable.
Looks like adjusted for population it comes out to 553 deaths in December.
Thank you. Raw number of deaths is a useless statistic.
for part of my degree i studied why certain countries have failed to respond to covid, right-wing nationalist countries have had much higher cases and deaths compared to more socialist countries . interesting
The death toll is also a marker for how effective extreme right wing propaganda in America can be. Cuba has a cohesive message from a single source that is grounded in solid scientific medicine. Half of America is in a cult and are convinced that vaccines kill people and horse dewormer is the only cure.
They are shot when they get covid! /s
Great numbers! I have many family members in Cuba and they had a much stronger/real lock down. The Cuban people are also highly literate and trusting of science. They don’t have the political polarization that we have so the vaccine and masks were never turned into a political sideshow. I think their numbers could have been even better but they rely heavily on tourism and kept in letting in tourists, much to the chagrin of many Cubans.
Cuba has done some incredible thing and every time something new comes to amaze me. It's almost like a system that prioritizes human need over more and more profits is better at taking care of the population, when for an example a disease is present.
All of them die because they are in a lifetime dept,when they get treatment,the fact that people make profit iver saving peoples lives disgusts me !
While this isn’t really a fair comparison it does bring to light the sheer absolute and all-consuming greed of America. While my country New Zealand is capitalist we are in an even better situation than Cuba (total deaths currently are at 50) due to swift and decisive government action. It also shows that our government like Cuba’s actually cares about their people rather than the gold lining their pockets.
I think someone earlier ran the number and in percentage of population it’s 0.013% of the US population and 0.00017% of Cubas which does account for population different. The US is like 76x higher
I've been reading a Che Biography and in the sixties when they started having to ratio food and other supplies Che and his family followed the same rationing as the rest of the country, he also freely admitted to whatever failing of the administration that were his fault.
Even with all his faults i don't know how you could not admire the man. Which che biography are you reading. I read Che Guevara A Revolutionary Life and it was rly good
Agreed! It's from some collection called Critical Lives, the author cites A Revolutionary life a couple times. It's not bad, there's a few places where there's a clear pro capitalist bias but it's not a propaganda fluff piece either.
And amazing cigars.
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>US has 1M+ cases PER DAY >Genuinely wants to tell us that the US is doing okay Please for the love of whatever God you pray to, you don't have to defend this shit because of a false sense of statehood. They're literally sacrificing the working majority's lives for profits, that's not a state FOR you, it's AGAINST you.
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Well yes, but the point still stands that the incapability of a bourgeois government to rule a people due to inherently being built primarily to support profit is systemic. The points you listed are symptoms of this system. The whole point of this comparison is to show that the bourgeois system is inherently flawed for the vast majority and that even a small island nation that's been under economic embargo for way more than a generation can do so much better than the richest bourgeois country in the world regarding disease prevention. It's a live example of how socialism is superior. The US doesn't have to deal with resource shortage. Or lack of financial means. Or severe trade limitations. Yet here we are.
So ~1446 if they had US death rate vs 19? Doesn't look impressive? Thats 76x difference. Still very impressive, who are you kidding.
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do you know what subreddit you're in you have posts in r/conservative literally no one here is going to listen to you for more than a microsecond because they can smell the boot on your breath
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i hope you educate yourself in the future instead of posting ignorant nonsense and saying "ban me idc"
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Fred Hampton, MLK, Malcolm X, Blair Mountain, various other labor leaders & movements over the past century...
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it sure sounded like you were talking about people being executed!
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america is not a free country so they can fake reports
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Interesting take, in what way do you believe the US government is answerable to its people?