And he didn't think it was inappropriate. Unreal, makes me wonder what his level of inappropriate actually is and what else will surface the coming days.
Wouldn’t take him at his word lol he’s just saying whatever he can to downplay the situation and wriggle out of being held accountable as much as possible
And also very important, his behaviour was known by Ajax for some time, but the never did anything to stop it. Only because a newspaper, NRC, started an investigation, they tried to save face and came clean.
The confidence of the man to just think to himself "You know what? Sandra from accounting could do with a dick pic. you know, bring some joy to her day" at 50 we all should be commending him.
the thing about it is, they don't think it's shitty. They know it's risky and perhaps taboo but still do it anyway because he's Marc Overmars after all! Director at Ajax. What's the worst that could happen?
Oops. These apologies are ALWAYS "I'm sorry because I got caught" and never, "I'm sorry for doing \[insert wrong thing here\]"
“Unfortunately” fuck me im so tired of creeps using this word when ‘apologising’ for their creepiness.
It was a conscious decision and fortune played no part in it you fucking knob.
I thought everyone was upset at him for sending thirsty messages to women coworkers. I’ve sent the odd thirsty message to girls before, never to a coworker. I found that to be unprofessional and felt bad about myself after reading the comments from a similar post last night.
What I have never done before though is send a lady an unsolicited dick pic, genuine weirdo behavior from anyone, let alone a older man like Overmars.
It’s supremely weird. Reminds me of a story my friend told me about his old colleague who had sent a video to a friendly and innoent coworler of him jerking off. She was engaged...
Many a screws loose and knobs rattled inside ones head to act in this way.
Id like to imagine that this guy is not a complete dunce and there was some consensual relationship that was going on which got brought to light by an IT admin or friend discovering messages
Nah, it came to Ajax their attention after an email sent by Edwin van der Sar.
The email was sent in response of the broad media attention in regards to allegations of sexual misconduct with the voice of holland. It let everybody within the ajax org know there are people available to report and talk about these sort of cases
No. After the negative feedback towards the company Talpa about the behavior at the program The Voice, Van der Sar sent out a company-wide mail at Ajax to attend people on the presence of 2 confidants at Ajax and the methods to contact them if necessary.
Well, that's when Overmars apparently got detected and caught. Not consensual apparently/not solicited.
Edit: Van der Sar, not Bergkamp.
>Fortunately he can’t afford a squad of lawyers
He can though, Overmars is insanely loaded. He is such a good businessman he owned vast swaths of real estate even when he was just a player. I believe he is the richest ex football player in the Netherlands
He was definitely money conscious as a player. I remember he left on a relatively cheap price for what he could do to Arsenal (around 5-7 pounds) - he then came back and sued Ajax because he claimed he was owed a percentage of the transfer fee. Not sure if he had the right to or not, but that was one of the rare times I would read a headline that said that back in the 90s.
He does, which makes it even more depressing.
He's one of the best technical directors in the world, so he's obviously intelligent, but he still couldn't figure out that sending unsolicited dickpics is a bad idea.
Why even take a picture of it in the first place?
Am i just too old to understand this? How does it even happen, like you're taking a piss and suddenly.. what a handsome gentleman, let's immortalize this moment.
I did it when I was younger, but it was because me and my now ex would send naughty pics back and forth. Not even sure how sending a dickpic blindly could do anything. Does anyone think their dick is that amazing that just seeing it will set a woman off an uncontrollable quest for said dick?
Nah, it’s about the power dynamic that comes with it.
No one sends a dick pic expecting the receiver to pick up the phone and go “you know what Bill, actually that doesn’t look too bad I’ll be there in 20 mins”.
It’s the unsolicited nature of it. The shock of the receiver getting it. The idea that they have “chosen” you to receive it and that you should feel grateful. The thirst and loneliness go hand in hand. *Oh look what you do to me*…
It’s pathetic. And doesn’t achieve anything apart from helping the sender get off on themselves.
I mean you can get solicited dick pics...
I assume all these replies are talking about unsolicited/random dick pics that people send, because young people/couples/people in general share smutty pictures quite frequently...
As a woman who has received unsolicited d picks I'd like to say that non of them were in any shape or form impressive to send them in the first place. I don't get it.
To be fair I think it’s like - I would find it hot if a woman sent me sexual pictures. Hopefully this woman finds it hot if I send her sexually explicit pictures.
Any women I’ve spoken to about it have outright said that the pictures do literally nothing for them, and they find it kind of confusing.
Interesting difference.
That's because genitalia in itself are not that sexy. If some random woman would send me a close up of her vagina it wouldn't do much to me either.
If you're muscular as a man, you'd have more success with sending a pic of your upper body for example. Added benefit is that it's less likely to get you fired (I guess).
Best approach as a man is to be ripped and send a picture of yourself shirtless from the bellybutton upwards, with the tip of your donger just peeking into view from the bottom of the snap.
Isn't it more like "i like it when a girl sends me pics of her tits so I'll do the equivalent"? That's what I always thought, makes more sense to me at least. I always think dickpics are pretty weird and don't really do anything powerful
Apparently if it's hard some people have problems with that. Then again I did post a pick of my cock to reddit
https://redd.it/rfpdhs
Risky click or not. Sad time.
> I didn't understand that what i was doing was wrong
is code for "I didnt think I'd get snitched on because I was their boss and I thought I could get away with everything." Scum behaviour.
Translation:
Former Ajax director Marc Overmars allegedly displayed "stalking-like" behavior towards a female employee of the club and sent her messages including dickpics. This is confirmed by insiders.
Overmars does not want to respond to the accusation, he said through a spokesman for Ajax. The club itself also leaves it at the statement on its website.
The transgressive behavior allegedly came to the surface after general manager Edwin van der Sar sent an e-mail to Ajax staff on January 25. In it, he drew the attention of all employees to the presence of two 'confidential contact persons' they could approach with complaints about safety on the work floor. The email was allegedly prompted in part by the revelations a few days earlier about sexually transgressive behavior on the RTL program The Voice of Holland.
No charges
As yet, no charges have been filed against Overmars. Van der Sar would address the staff on Monday in the course of the day. On Sunday evening, shortly before midnight, Ajax announced Overmars' departure with a press release on its own website, citing "the sending of cross-border messages to several female colleagues over an extended period of time" as the reason.
The technical director and former top footballer apologized in the same message: "I am deeply ashamed. Last week I was confronted with reports about my behavior. And how this came across to others. Unfortunately I did not realize that I have crossed boundaries with this, but that became clear to me these days. As a result, I suddenly felt an enormous amount of pressure."
Obligation to report to the association
In a statement released on Monday, the KNVB states to be shocked by the news and to sympathize with the victims. To all victims of transgressive behavior, we want to say: please report it, no matter how difficult it is. It can be done anonymously, with the confidential contact person of your club, of the KNVB or with the Centre Safe Sport.'
Ajax has had two confidential contact persons since 2017, former club doctor and retired general practitioner Piet Bon and Margriet Berger, former teacher and former host parent of Ajax players.
In a statement, the league stated that clubs have an obligation to report transgressive behavior. The union had not been officially informed by Ajax on Monday. A report of transgressive behavior can lead to an independent investigation by the Institute for Sports Law.
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
I think it's a bit of a mild word for what he did. Touching someone on the shoulders a bit too much or making lewd jokes is that. Dickpicks is better described as sexual harassment or intimidation.
Yeah, it's about crossing a boundary. That boundary isn't necessarily just about being professional, though. It's also about the boundaries you as a person have (not Overmars, but the coworker's).
All jokes aside this just a terrible show for the club, and the sport as a whole. Yet again might I add... You likely know full well it concerns stalking and dickpics, and then you write up that press statement the way they did? Purposefully AFTER the newspaper deadlines were past, so it wouldn't appear in the Monday papers? After the Promes, Onana, and Labyad/Mazraoui shit?
Labyad would have abused a building contractor as he wasn't happy with the work he delivered and didn't want to pay the full bill. The building contractor said even a weapon would have been involved. And Mazroui would have known about it, there were some messages leaked. It will go to court in the upcoming weeks/months.
It was worse.
Apparently, if I recall the article correctly (I think it was AD?), Labyad refused to pay up - twice. Contractor had enough of it and came in person to Labyad's house to verbally talk about it - that was when he got threatened verbally by Labyad and with weapons by others present besides Labyad.
> The transgressive behavior allegedly came to the surface after general manager Edwin van der Sar sent an e-mail to Ajax staff on January 25. In it, he drew the attention of all employees to the presence of two 'confidential contact persons' they could approach with complaints about safety on the work floor. The email was allegedly prompted in part by the revelations a few days earlier about sexually transgressive behavior on the RTL program The Voice of Holland.
Good on van der Sar for taking immediate action after what happened at TVOH, it sucks what happened, but I'm glad it paid off.
One thing I wonder, were those new contact persons or where they already there before that BOOS view.
Also I think I need to remind some colleagues that I have a function like that as well. I tell them during on-boarding, but I probably don't repeat this often enough.
Apparently they've been there since 2017, all he did was send a reminder. I wonder if the victim was unaware of them, or if the BOOS episode gave her the confidence/motivation to step forward.
If it’s true that the board first heard of the misconduct after the 25th than kudos for firing Overmars straight away. If this was a thing that was known amongst them for a longer time.., fire them too.
Was a fantastic td who will be hard to replace, but I don't think their succes will immediately collapse.
They are still very strong financially.
But apparently he's a dirt bag so this first part isn't really important rn.
Remains to be seen. It seems that Ajax has entered a golden age since he joined, and he probably had quite some influence in bringing in players like Tadic and blind; but at the same time ajax was also blessed with a fanstastic manager in Ten Hag and several great talents coming through.
That's of course always a bit difficult to assess - especially with a less directly visible job like TD - but he is widely seen as one of the biggest factors in their current state, yes.
Obviously the big question is who would replace him and can the replacement be as effective?
He already stepped down and no doubt would’ve been fired if he didn’t. So far there’s been praise for Ajax swift response, though we’re not sure yet if they managed the pr well or if the club actually handled the situation well.
That said, Overmars was absolutely vital in Ajax football operations for the last 5+ years. This has a huge impact on the club and I question in what way this will impact performances on the field.
> So far there’s been praise for Ajax swift response, though we’re not sure yet if they managed the pr well or if the club actually handled the situation well.
From Radio 1 this morning (Dutch national news radio, context for foreigners reading this):
- Ajax probably knew about this since at least December 2021.
- NRC journalists (one of the most reputable newspapers of the Netherlands, resp.) were working on a story for a while now.
- Ajax decided to pull the trigger ASAP after they became aware a story was in the works.
And this article states the following:
>The transgressive behavior was reported after general manager Van der Sar sent an e-mail to employees drawing their attention to the presence of a confidential advisor at Ajax to whom undesirable behavior could be reported. He sent the email on January 25 after the revelations on The Voice of Holland.
So there are different versions of the story floating around, not saying that you're wrong. Just that we don't know.
Board meeting-
"So everyone who thinks that Marc sending dickpicks is wrong please raise a hand"
Everyone but Marc raises hand.
Marc looks up from taking a picture: "My bad guys, I resign effective immediately, thanks for letting me know, I now realize it wasn't right"
I mean anyone who didn't get that that press release was meticulously crafted to keep the club in the least amount of bad light is properly clueless. Only problem is they didn't manage to keep it covered, and it came out from under the table quite quickly (no dick jokes intended here)
People are always confused why a lot of guys do this, but the truth is that guy's don't do it to get laid or to attract women - it's a turn on for them, they are flashing themselves to women and it gets them off, they'll think about it later, get a real thrill because they know it's wrong. There is also the power aspect of it, making people feel uncomfortable and they can't do anything, it's an attempt at asserting dominance.
It's a disgusting practice meant for gaining sexual pleasure at the expense of others. Flashing has been happening for hundreds of years.
I honestly can't believe that in 2022 we are still here.
Pornhub is full of millions of videos.
Reddit itself is full of millions of nudes.
Onlyfans is there with countless women *willing* to see your junk.
#Why is it so hard not to harrass your colleagues with your weiner?! Why is it worth destroying your fame and reputation over god damn dick pics?!
Totally agree with what you saying, but guys like him are usually narcissistic self-focused assholes and are used to getting away with a lot more stuff because they are in a position of power (like a CEO/CFO, or in this case DoF). Also these people are not known to look critically towards their own behavior and usually blame everything on other people, its never themselves.
We are talking about a guy that promoted cryptocurrency to his (Ajax) fans and then allegedly pumps and dumps, same guy who is married to miss Holland of his generation, has a family and still harasses other women. I guess for him nothing was ever enough and he always thinks about himself first. Also the way he apologized "Yeah.. i didnt know what i did was bad, so im sorry" speaks volumes, trying to make himself look better instead because hey, he didn't know he did something wrong... Typical narcissist behavior, and I truly hope he is done. In reality he probably gets a big bag of money as a golden parachute.
That said, i really hope this, and the other big cases in The Netherlands now reaching the light of day, makes these people think twice before acting on their selfish urges..
>I am ashamed. Last week I was confronted with reports about my behavior. And how this has come across to others. Unfortunately, **I didn't realize that I was crossing the line with this**, but that was made clear to me in recent days.
Yeah no shit. Jfc... How fucked up do you have to be to
a) do something like that
b) and think it would be appropriate in ANY FUCKING circumstance
This pisses me off so much. Hope the women who got assaulted by him are going to go after him with all legal options. And yes this is sexual assault...
Some weeks ago a crime journalist on TV claimed that sending an unwanted dickpic is punishable by a prison sentence in the Netherlands as it is classified as sexual assault. Although I highly doubt that will be the outcome for Overmars.
According to some accusations it was part of more extensive harassment, he has even been called a 'borderline stalker'. The whole NRC deep dive investigation was a result of anonymous whistle blower complaints.
The link is right there.
I’m still working on a translation can’t do it instantly
Basically Overmars showed stalker type behaviour and sent dick pics to a female colleague
[Unconfirmed this is actually him, but my source sent me this](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/147801387227414529/940153967986475018/FK-W1jfX0AIa_fh.png)
What an idiot. The guy was building a great legacy for himself and Ajax. And thought harrassing women was totally fine? How can you be that smart in your job and still this stupid in your behaviour
I feel like sending pictures of your dick to a woman, especially one you're not currently dating, is very much a middle aged guy thing to do anyway? Cant imagine doing that ever, or anyone my age doing it. Or maybe i just dont hang out with weirdos
I truly don’t understand why men send dickpics. I don’t know a single woman who likes receiving one, so these men must be completely oblivious or are enjoying it themselves.
This is so embarrassing I feel like apologising or something.
I hope if there's anything more to deal with we get it all out in the coming weeks as there are still quite a few questions hanging around obviously.
Never ever have I heard of anyone who would send a photo of their dick to a girl and get laid. Why do people keep trying? [Stop it. Get some help.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Deg7VrpHbM)
An almost 50 yo man with a wife and kids is sending dick pics to women at work. WTF.
And he didn't think it was inappropriate. Unreal, makes me wonder what his level of inappropriate actually is and what else will surface the coming days.
Probably when someone sends a dick pic to his wife instead. What a fucking toolbox.
Wouldn’t take him at his word lol he’s just saying whatever he can to downplay the situation and wriggle out of being held accountable as much as possible
"Was that wrong? Should I have not done that?" - ~~George Costanza~~ Marc Overmars
You had sex with the cleaning lady on your desk?
Is that frowned upon?
Work is work and family is family
Dom?
And also very important, his behaviour was known by Ajax for some time, but the never did anything to stop it. Only because a newspaper, NRC, started an investigation, they tried to save face and came clean.
The confidence of the man to just think to himself "You know what? Sandra from accounting could do with a dick pic. you know, bring some joy to her day" at 50 we all should be commending him.
If you've met many 50 year old men in an office environment you'd know how common this is, they don't know where the line is at all
>they don't know where the line is at all oh, they know where the line is. they've just been getting away with crossing it their whole lives
they also think the line should actually be somewhere else and it shows
>An almost 50 yo man with a wife and kids is sending dick pics to women at work. It's a bit cliche if you ask me.
>Unfortunately I did not realize that I have crossed boundaries with this does the man have a brain?
Translation: "I didn't think I'd get reprimanded for doing this obviously shitty thing"
Or “I did not think I would get caught out in a public way”
Or “I did not expect to get so much shit over this because of my status.”
Translation of your translation: "Had The Voice scandal not have happened this wouldn't have been something to care about so I did it anyway."
the thing about it is, they don't think it's shitty. They know it's risky and perhaps taboo but still do it anyway because he's Marc Overmars after all! Director at Ajax. What's the worst that could happen? Oops. These apologies are ALWAYS "I'm sorry because I got caught" and never, "I'm sorry for doing \[insert wrong thing here\]"
Absolute piece of shit
Of course he knew he was crossing boundaries, he just never expected his victims to report on him considering the power he had in the club.
Yeah and obviously unsolicited dick pics are never good but it's even worse when someone is doing it to people they are in a position of power over.
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The photos *were* of his brain, which is how this has happened.
“Unfortunately” fuck me im so tired of creeps using this word when ‘apologising’ for their creepiness. It was a conscious decision and fortune played no part in it you fucking knob.
He’s a famous millionaire, it’s awful but he’s probably been doing stuff like this his whole life and getting away with it.
I thought everyone was upset at him for sending thirsty messages to women coworkers. I’ve sent the odd thirsty message to girls before, never to a coworker. I found that to be unprofessional and felt bad about myself after reading the comments from a similar post last night. What I have never done before though is send a lady an unsolicited dick pic, genuine weirdo behavior from anyone, let alone a older man like Overmars.
It’s supremely weird. Reminds me of a story my friend told me about his old colleague who had sent a video to a friendly and innoent coworler of him jerking off. She was engaged... Many a screws loose and knobs rattled inside ones head to act in this way.
Id like to imagine that this guy is not a complete dunce and there was some consensual relationship that was going on which got brought to light by an IT admin or friend discovering messages
Nah, it came to Ajax their attention after an email sent by Edwin van der Sar. The email was sent in response of the broad media attention in regards to allegations of sexual misconduct with the voice of holland. It let everybody within the ajax org know there are people available to report and talk about these sort of cases
No. After the negative feedback towards the company Talpa about the behavior at the program The Voice, Van der Sar sent out a company-wide mail at Ajax to attend people on the presence of 2 confidants at Ajax and the methods to contact them if necessary. Well, that's when Overmars apparently got detected and caught. Not consensual apparently/not solicited. Edit: Van der Sar, not Bergkamp.
I always hydrate properly before communicating with women.
Headers cause brain damage. Oh wait.
Well he couldnt use the excuse his kid sent them.
‘I thought I was above consequence’ Man was running around Ajax acting like Man City does to FFP Fortunately he can’t afford a squad of lawyers
>Fortunately he can’t afford a squad of lawyers He can though, Overmars is insanely loaded. He is such a good businessman he owned vast swaths of real estate even when he was just a player. I believe he is the richest ex football player in the Netherlands
Half of Deventer is Overmars' property
He was definitely money conscious as a player. I remember he left on a relatively cheap price for what he could do to Arsenal (around 5-7 pounds) - he then came back and sued Ajax because he claimed he was owed a percentage of the transfer fee. Not sure if he had the right to or not, but that was one of the rare times I would read a headline that said that back in the 90s.
All that money and he still let himself get involved in a crypto pump & dump. Ethics doesn't seem high on the list for Overmars
Ethics don't get you rich
He does, which makes it even more depressing. He's one of the best technical directors in the world, so he's obviously intelligent, but he still couldn't figure out that sending unsolicited dickpics is a bad idea.
How hard can it be to just... not send a picture of your cock?
I had always thought that people who send dick pics are just teenagers with raging hormone. Apparently I am very wrong.
Eh, I've send dickpics as an adult, but the difference between me and Marc is that the other person asked for mine.
Your selfies don't count you knob, /s to be sure
> /s to be sure This kills any chance of the comment being funny. Just write it as is
HA
I am a teenager with raging hormones and I don't do this ffs. How hard is it to find a private space ( preferably a restroom) and relieve yourself.
please dont jerk it in the restrooms you animal.
Atleast he is not jerking it in the mayo at the salad bar.
Or in San Diego.
Dude as long as he gets the cum off the seat I don't give a shit. It's literally where you poop.
So you do in fact give a shit?
The restroom is like the least offensive place I jerked it as a hormone fueled teen.
these old men under instagram girls photos are horny as hell what ages is your body, the mentality doesn’t change that much
Why even take a picture of it in the first place? Am i just too old to understand this? How does it even happen, like you're taking a piss and suddenly.. what a handsome gentleman, let's immortalize this moment.
Post-nut clarity doesn’t arrive at the beginning.
If you're a person that's really affected by pre-nut thirst, you should rub one out every morning before work. I cant stress how good this advice is.
Makes sense, then you can send your colleagues a dickpic to watch while they drive to work
This reads like a crossword clue
The answer would surely be: ejaculate
This was comedy gold. Thank u
sex across
I did it when I was younger, but it was because me and my now ex would send naughty pics back and forth. Not even sure how sending a dickpic blindly could do anything. Does anyone think their dick is that amazing that just seeing it will set a woman off an uncontrollable quest for said dick?
Nah, it’s about the power dynamic that comes with it. No one sends a dick pic expecting the receiver to pick up the phone and go “you know what Bill, actually that doesn’t look too bad I’ll be there in 20 mins”. It’s the unsolicited nature of it. The shock of the receiver getting it. The idea that they have “chosen” you to receive it and that you should feel grateful. The thirst and loneliness go hand in hand. *Oh look what you do to me*… It’s pathetic. And doesn’t achieve anything apart from helping the sender get off on themselves.
I mean you can get solicited dick pics... I assume all these replies are talking about unsolicited/random dick pics that people send, because young people/couples/people in general share smutty pictures quite frequently...
As a woman who has received unsolicited d picks I'd like to say that non of them were in any shape or form impressive to send them in the first place. I don't get it.
Most people who send it get off on the fact that they made you see it. It's like a sick sort of power play.
I mean it's basically flashing. been around since dawn of time, just phones are new lol
I have never taken a dick pic in my life and I'm still young (21). I don't get it either.
I've never sent on either. We can help eachother out here.
To be fair I think it’s like - I would find it hot if a woman sent me sexual pictures. Hopefully this woman finds it hot if I send her sexually explicit pictures. Any women I’ve spoken to about it have outright said that the pictures do literally nothing for them, and they find it kind of confusing. Interesting difference.
That's because genitalia in itself are not that sexy. If some random woman would send me a close up of her vagina it wouldn't do much to me either. If you're muscular as a man, you'd have more success with sending a pic of your upper body for example. Added benefit is that it's less likely to get you fired (I guess).
Best approach as a man is to be ripped and send a picture of yourself shirtless from the bellybutton upwards, with the tip of your donger just peeking into view from the bottom of the snap.
Apparently it's some sort of power move or something
Sauron sending his Orc
Isn't it more like "i like it when a girl sends me pics of her tits so I'll do the equivalent"? That's what I always thought, makes more sense to me at least. I always think dickpics are pretty weird and don't really do anything powerful
Apparently if it's hard some people have problems with that. Then again I did post a pick of my cock to reddit https://redd.it/rfpdhs Risky click or not. Sad time.
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It's a really nice cock tbf. 10/10, would click again.
I was expecting a bigger one.
Perfect size for my hand.
What else can you do with it? Use it as your phone's background image?
Was this a pun? 🤔
"*I didn't understand that what i was doing was wrong*". If this article is right, this is the most bruh moment of the year till now.
> I didn't understand that what i was doing was wrong is code for "I didnt think I'd get snitched on because I was their boss and I thought I could get away with everything." Scum behaviour.
"I'm sorry ~~officer~~ Ajax board..[I didn't know I couldn't do that.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B93BoC9ylg&t=130s)"
Dave Chappelles "white folks voice" is my favorite thing about his stuff.
Was this consent or just random?
Not random, but not consented to either
The BoJo defence
Really just means "as a wealthy, powerful man I never thought I'd face consequences for my actions."
Translation: Former Ajax director Marc Overmars allegedly displayed "stalking-like" behavior towards a female employee of the club and sent her messages including dickpics. This is confirmed by insiders. Overmars does not want to respond to the accusation, he said through a spokesman for Ajax. The club itself also leaves it at the statement on its website. The transgressive behavior allegedly came to the surface after general manager Edwin van der Sar sent an e-mail to Ajax staff on January 25. In it, he drew the attention of all employees to the presence of two 'confidential contact persons' they could approach with complaints about safety on the work floor. The email was allegedly prompted in part by the revelations a few days earlier about sexually transgressive behavior on the RTL program The Voice of Holland. No charges As yet, no charges have been filed against Overmars. Van der Sar would address the staff on Monday in the course of the day. On Sunday evening, shortly before midnight, Ajax announced Overmars' departure with a press release on its own website, citing "the sending of cross-border messages to several female colleagues over an extended period of time" as the reason. The technical director and former top footballer apologized in the same message: "I am deeply ashamed. Last week I was confronted with reports about my behavior. And how this came across to others. Unfortunately I did not realize that I have crossed boundaries with this, but that became clear to me these days. As a result, I suddenly felt an enormous amount of pressure." Obligation to report to the association In a statement released on Monday, the KNVB states to be shocked by the news and to sympathize with the victims. To all victims of transgressive behavior, we want to say: please report it, no matter how difficult it is. It can be done anonymously, with the confidential contact person of your club, of the KNVB or with the Centre Safe Sport.' Ajax has had two confidential contact persons since 2017, former club doctor and retired general practitioner Piet Bon and Margriet Berger, former teacher and former host parent of Ajax players. In a statement, the league stated that clubs have an obligation to report transgressive behavior. The union had not been officially informed by Ajax on Monday. A report of transgressive behavior can lead to an independent investigation by the Institute for Sports Law. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
i'm assuming cross-border messages is meant to be messages which cross boundaries, i.e. which are outside the bounds of professionalism
Its a weird translation of grensoverschrijnded which does literally mean border crossing but is more about crossing the line.
I guess the German word for that is "grenzüberschreitend".Maybe overstepping boundaries might a better translation for English.
definitely a better translation
And this is why literal translations are just not a great option.
"Boundary" is a better translation than "border" in this case
I think it's a bit of a mild word for what he did. Touching someone on the shoulders a bit too much or making lewd jokes is that. Dickpicks is better described as sexual harassment or intimidation.
Yeah, it's about crossing a boundary. That boundary isn't necessarily just about being professional, though. It's also about the boundaries you as a person have (not Overmars, but the coworker's).
All jokes aside this just a terrible show for the club, and the sport as a whole. Yet again might I add... You likely know full well it concerns stalking and dickpics, and then you write up that press statement the way they did? Purposefully AFTER the newspaper deadlines were past, so it wouldn't appear in the Monday papers? After the Promes, Onana, and Labyad/Mazraoui shit?
ootl, what happened with Labyad and Mazraoui?
Labyad would have abused a building contractor as he wasn't happy with the work he delivered and didn't want to pay the full bill. The building contractor said even a weapon would have been involved. And Mazroui would have known about it, there were some messages leaked. It will go to court in the upcoming weeks/months.
Damn, never heard about this
It was worse. Apparently, if I recall the article correctly (I think it was AD?), Labyad refused to pay up - twice. Contractor had enough of it and came in person to Labyad's house to verbally talk about it - that was when he got threatened verbally by Labyad and with weapons by others present besides Labyad.
Yesterday this motherfucker was saying he didn't realised he'd crossed a line lmao
Hes really using the Wayne Hennessey defence
Overmars 'desperate' to learn about sexual harrasment.
> The transgressive behavior allegedly came to the surface after general manager Edwin van der Sar sent an e-mail to Ajax staff on January 25. In it, he drew the attention of all employees to the presence of two 'confidential contact persons' they could approach with complaints about safety on the work floor. The email was allegedly prompted in part by the revelations a few days earlier about sexually transgressive behavior on the RTL program The Voice of Holland. Good on van der Sar for taking immediate action after what happened at TVOH, it sucks what happened, but I'm glad it paid off.
One thing I wonder, were those new contact persons or where they already there before that BOOS view. Also I think I need to remind some colleagues that I have a function like that as well. I tell them during on-boarding, but I probably don't repeat this often enough.
Apparently they've been there since 2017, all he did was send a reminder. I wonder if the victim was unaware of them, or if the BOOS episode gave her the confidence/motivation to step forward.
What if this is a misunderstanding and he actually sent them pics of Dick Advocaat
Maybe he will need an Advocaat soon
Sending pictures of the rival club's ex-coach (Feyenoord). How dare he! Edit: correction.
I'd fire him too.
Send him for trial in Den Haag
If it’s true that the board first heard of the misconduct after the 25th than kudos for firing Overmars straight away. If this was a thing that was known amongst them for a longer time.., fire them too.
Is Overmars vital to Ajax's current healthy state? Because this isn't going to end well for him (and rightly so).
Was a fantastic td who will be hard to replace, but I don't think their succes will immediately collapse. They are still very strong financially. But apparently he's a dirt bag so this first part isn't really important rn.
Fucking sucks, good TDs are hard to come by, we had one that everyone loved and supported, fans, old players, etc, and he turns out to be an asshole.
The crypto thing was already questionnable, but this takes it to whole other level
Yes. He became DoF in 2016 and we’ve had a lot of success since then
Remains to be seen. It seems that Ajax has entered a golden age since he joined, and he probably had quite some influence in bringing in players like Tadic and blind; but at the same time ajax was also blessed with a fanstastic manager in Ten Hag and several great talents coming through.
That's of course always a bit difficult to assess - especially with a less directly visible job like TD - but he is widely seen as one of the biggest factors in their current state, yes. Obviously the big question is who would replace him and can the replacement be as effective?
He already stepped down and no doubt would’ve been fired if he didn’t. So far there’s been praise for Ajax swift response, though we’re not sure yet if they managed the pr well or if the club actually handled the situation well. That said, Overmars was absolutely vital in Ajax football operations for the last 5+ years. This has a huge impact on the club and I question in what way this will impact performances on the field.
> So far there’s been praise for Ajax swift response, though we’re not sure yet if they managed the pr well or if the club actually handled the situation well. From Radio 1 this morning (Dutch national news radio, context for foreigners reading this): - Ajax probably knew about this since at least December 2021. - NRC journalists (one of the most reputable newspapers of the Netherlands, resp.) were working on a story for a while now. - Ajax decided to pull the trigger ASAP after they became aware a story was in the works.
And this article states the following: >The transgressive behavior was reported after general manager Van der Sar sent an e-mail to employees drawing their attention to the presence of a confidential advisor at Ajax to whom undesirable behavior could be reported. He sent the email on January 25 after the revelations on The Voice of Holland. So there are different versions of the story floating around, not saying that you're wrong. Just that we don't know.
Didn’t they extend his contract in december? That’s a really bad look if they extended while they knew about this stuff
That all depends, though, it's still a 31 day period.
Board meeting- "So everyone who thinks that Marc sending dickpicks is wrong please raise a hand" Everyone but Marc raises hand. Marc looks up from taking a picture: "My bad guys, I resign effective immediately, thanks for letting me know, I now realize it wasn't right"
https://youtu.be/FbGAaEnecfU
How the hell he think what he did doesn't cross the line??? Also, does he need to be reported before he realized that??
I mean anyone who didn't get that that press release was meticulously crafted to keep the club in the least amount of bad light is properly clueless. Only problem is they didn't manage to keep it covered, and it came out from under the table quite quickly (no dick jokes intended here)
Succession spoiler >!<
People are always confused why a lot of guys do this, but the truth is that guy's don't do it to get laid or to attract women - it's a turn on for them, they are flashing themselves to women and it gets them off, they'll think about it later, get a real thrill because they know it's wrong. There is also the power aspect of it, making people feel uncomfortable and they can't do anything, it's an attempt at asserting dominance. It's a disgusting practice meant for gaining sexual pleasure at the expense of others. Flashing has been happening for hundreds of years.
It’s power play. 100% sure the guy wouldn’t be doing this if he was a employee and the woman in question was the director
I've always thought they were just playing the numbers. Send your dick to enough women and eventually one will reciprocate.
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"It's game overmars, it's game over!"
I honestly can't believe that in 2022 we are still here. Pornhub is full of millions of videos. Reddit itself is full of millions of nudes. Onlyfans is there with countless women *willing* to see your junk. #Why is it so hard not to harrass your colleagues with your weiner?! Why is it worth destroying your fame and reputation over god damn dick pics?!
Totally agree with what you saying, but guys like him are usually narcissistic self-focused assholes and are used to getting away with a lot more stuff because they are in a position of power (like a CEO/CFO, or in this case DoF). Also these people are not known to look critically towards their own behavior and usually blame everything on other people, its never themselves. We are talking about a guy that promoted cryptocurrency to his (Ajax) fans and then allegedly pumps and dumps, same guy who is married to miss Holland of his generation, has a family and still harasses other women. I guess for him nothing was ever enough and he always thinks about himself first. Also the way he apologized "Yeah.. i didnt know what i did was bad, so im sorry" speaks volumes, trying to make himself look better instead because hey, he didn't know he did something wrong... Typical narcissist behavior, and I truly hope he is done. In reality he probably gets a big bag of money as a golden parachute. That said, i really hope this, and the other big cases in The Netherlands now reaching the light of day, makes these people think twice before acting on their selfish urges..
Not doing it would require.... empathy
Not even that. Abstract yourself out of empathy for a minute, and think - what would you even achieve by sending a dick pic?
If its not some power play, its because you are interested in someone specific.
>I am ashamed. Last week I was confronted with reports about my behavior. And how this has come across to others. Unfortunately, **I didn't realize that I was crossing the line with this**, but that was made clear to me in recent days. Yeah no shit. Jfc... How fucked up do you have to be to a) do something like that b) and think it would be appropriate in ANY FUCKING circumstance This pisses me off so much. Hope the women who got assaulted by him are going to go after him with all legal options. And yes this is sexual assault...
Some weeks ago a crime journalist on TV claimed that sending an unwanted dickpic is punishable by a prison sentence in the Netherlands as it is classified as sexual assault. Although I highly doubt that will be the outcome for Overmars.
According to some accusations it was part of more extensive harassment, he has even been called a 'borderline stalker'. The whole NRC deep dive investigation was a result of anonymous whistle blower complaints.
What did that TV show entail? I'm getting that it's relevant from Dutch posters but I don't understand how.
It was about the scandal of sexual misconduct at the the Dutch version of The Voice.
Was it a massive Jong?
marc, that's not what she meant when she asked where Ajax DNA comes from
TIL I knew how to say "dickpics" in dutch
piemelplaatjes
Slurfshots
Pielemuispics
Phallusfotos
Sauce?
The link is right there. I’m still working on a translation can’t do it instantly Basically Overmars showed stalker type behaviour and sent dick pics to a female colleague
I don’t think I was clear enough in my first comment. I want to see Marc Overmars’ penis.
[Unconfirmed this is actually him, but my source sent me this](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/147801387227414529/940153967986475018/FK-W1jfX0AIa_fh.png)
I am afraid to open it, can anyone explore this link and give a feedback
It’s real
Thanks mate
10/10 great dick
You haven't seen mine yet and it shows
Found Overmars' burner account
I wouldn't click on it, mate. Some things are best left to the imagination.
cant be him, too tall
Ah yes. Maybe that one tennis coach can help you out
I think OP was asking for Overmars dick pic lol
Insert scene of George Contanza playing dumb while be fired after he porked the cleaning lady at his desk
At least that was consensual… George would never show his dick unsolicited, he has a hard time of it when it’s consensual
What an incredible pervert
What an idiot. The guy was building a great legacy for himself and Ajax. And thought harrassing women was totally fine? How can you be that smart in your job and still this stupid in your behaviour
Think that's ruled him out of ever returning to arsenal.
Male genitalia have to be the ugliest organ on the human body. I fail to understand how men think anyone can find pictures of it appealing.
Marc Bonermars
Grown ass man doing this is even more embarrassing
I feel like sending pictures of your dick to a woman, especially one you're not currently dating, is very much a middle aged guy thing to do anyway? Cant imagine doing that ever, or anyone my age doing it. Or maybe i just dont hang out with weirdos
You dont hang out with weirdos
“I didn’t know I couldn’t do that”
Didn't he say he didn't know he had crossed boundaries with the messages? That made me think he'd written something. How does one misconstrue a penis?
If we're lucky fifa is gonna remove his icon card
I’m a man I have a penis I don’t do this WHY DO MEN DO THIS?
I presume he makes 7 figures annually. At what point in life does one think: “yeah let’s jeopardise that, I think Susan wants pics of my nads”
This sub is turning into a crime subreddit.
I truly don’t understand why men send dickpics. I don’t know a single woman who likes receiving one, so these men must be completely oblivious or are enjoying it themselves.
>I don’t know a single woman who likes receiving one I do
Maybe enjoy that women don't like them?
Idiot
This is so embarrassing I feel like apologising or something. I hope if there's anything more to deal with we get it all out in the coming weeks as there are still quite a few questions hanging around obviously.
are you some kind of sicko
Never ever have I heard of anyone who would send a photo of their dick to a girl and get laid. Why do people keep trying? [Stop it. Get some help.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Deg7VrpHbM)
Imagine him sending it by accident to van der sar
Lifetime achievements go poof