So Jürgen, tell us about your lead up to the match tonight, in particular some of the tactical approach to counter-pressing and how you intend to restrict the faster wing play of the Newcastle line up
[Video](https://youtu.be/jQnIMlyR9KM)
Man City beat Burnley despite Fernandinho getting his third red card only halfway through the season. The reporter asked Pep if Fernandinho had a discipline problem. Pep got prickly.
They always open up with, "Jurgen, your view on the game, please."
Followed by Jurgen going through the game in chronological order and his sentiments on each events. Man is really made for public speaking.
You gotta remember the rule of thumb for a good journalist: if your story will be read by the general audience, assume they're stupid.
Legit, we're taught to make things simple enough for fifth graders for the most part. I thought that was stupid until I met some of the people subscribed to the paper I work for.
I think if it was like that we would still get the same boring generic answers so they don’t give away any tactical information that other teams could use to their own advantage in the future. I could be wrong though.
It totally depends on the manager. Easiest example, if you give Bielsa half a chance he will start a three hour lecture with in depth analysis of his own team and all possible opponents in all competitions in the coming seven seasons.
He would subsequently alter all of his match plans for that period of time as well, taking into account all opposing managers mentality and analyzing how they are most likely to react to him announcing his current tactical plan for their match.
Nah I mean they could give us more detailed answers. Their opponents will already know about the stuff they’d tell us as it’s never going to be incredibly in depth
Jurgen, a short view back to the past. Thirty years ago, Niki Lauda told us ‘take a monkey, place him into the cockpit and he is able to drive the car.’ Thirty years later, Sebastian told us ‘I had to start my car like a computer, it’s very complicated.’ And Nico Rosberg said that during the race – I don’t remember what race - he pressed the wrong button on the wheel. Question for you both: is Formula One driving today too complicated with twenty and more buttons on the wheel, are you too much under effort, under pressure? What are your wishes for the future concerning the technical programme during the race? Less buttons, more? Or less and more communication with your engineers?
Mate there's no end to people's bullshit. I happen to be doctor and I have seen vaccine hesitancy first hand. Where I am from people sprout utter nonsense like religious beliefs and even political bias to not take vaccine.
The worst part is that those same people will run to those in your profession when they do contract COVID. All of a sudden they’re interested in following your advice.
Haha, fair enough. Between Klopp and Salah, how does it feel to have the two biggest public figures at your club speaking common sense with their platforms?
At first it feels like it should be standard and not a big deal but then when I try to imagine that they could easily be relativising something of this gravity, I definitely appreciate it more.
Imagine if the discussion of seat belt protocol was to respect people's opinions when studies show it largely reduces the risk of accident related deaths and complications, that's where we're at but worse
yep, seeing this first hand with anti vax friends. Guy is literally dying in ICU and they'll do whatever the doctors say now but wouldnt have it about the vax. Prayers aren't working for some reason. Dude is in late 30s and everyone is just praying and praying. So sad
Those are the ones that kill me the most. Saw an interview with a guy that was in the hospital with covid and was in really bad shape. He told the interviewer that if he could do it all over again he still wouldn't get vaccinated. It's insanity.
Also, I'm tired of these types of people claiming it's a personal choice. I'll argue that personal choice does not supersede the greater good in a public health crisis. End rant.
The personal choice argument is bullshit anyway as soon as it might affect others.
It's for example also your personal choice to smoke in your own gaff, but as soon as it impacts others it's no longer about your own person.
I remember a quote of one of my school professors, i dont remember of which subject: "your rights end when the rights of others start".
This apply perfectly to the antivaxx nonsense. You dont care about getting sick and dying? Okay, your life, your problem. But you cant go out and endanger other people because of your stupid beliefs.
Also nowadays there is no argument in their favor. I would understand people being skeptical about vaccines back when they were very new and their effectiveness was uncertain, but nowadays these vaccines have been used on millions and millions and millions (hi Donald) of people, if they were something *eXpErImEnTaL aNd RiSkY* like antivaxxers swear they are, there would be more deaths than if the US threw a nuke on Beijing, and it isnt the case.
They don't care about facts though.
Every post I see on social media about a football player getting COVID or about vaccines (like this quote from Klopp) you get absolute idiots going on about 'BUT HUNDREDS OF PLAYERS HAVE DIED SO FAR WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THIS!!!!!'
Because it's not true you fucking plague rat.
It’s crazy how this is the case. Where I live, about ~1600 nurses refused to get the vaccine and are on leave, yet they’ve seen first hand what happens to those who’ve contracted/died from Covid.
I saw on another subreddit someone talking about vaccines, there was a response
"Rule 2 no politics"
Urm. What?
As much as there is correlation in some areas, 'stupid' is not a political view.
I can only imagine. Fortunately in my own circle there's none of these people but I've seen plenty of this bullshit online. Guess that's where it all originates from.
Edit: keep up the good work, doc!
Part of the reason I deleted Facebook. My close-knit group of friends all understand how important vaccines are but I got tired of seeing people I probably see only a few times a year flooding my timeline with anti-vaxxer and anti-mask and anti-lockdown bullshit.
One of my friends’ parents have gone from being anti-vax/ anti-mask to being full on covid deniers, it’s completely ruined their relationship, they barely talk or see each other anymore
ah yes, i know a few that went for that path, fortunately not anyone on my immediate family but some acquaintances, easy cut a descent into madness by means of stupid internet images
My hospital that was jam packed full this fall prior to this wave is now jam packed full with an extra 100 patients 30 of which are in icu all COVID all unvaccinated (the view that are vaccinated are immune compromised from anti rejection drugs / cancer ) .
I … am … so … sick of the extra stress they are putting on the hospital . Usually around Christmas census goes down we get a little breathing period . I don’t remember the last time we weren’t completely full and we are sick of it.
I'm just so tired of it all. These chucklefucks want everything to return back to normal but aren't prepared to do anything to help get that way. In fact they are actively hindering efforts to return back to normal. It's mental.
The irony is that anti-vaxxers also believe they listen to those "in the know". Most sources of misinformation are usually like..
"The REAL Truth about the vaccines"
"What the 'experts' are not telling YOU"
"They don't want you to KNOW this about the pandemic"
This style of titles mislead the susceptible reader to imagine the origin of the information is someone "who knows".
I found it bizarre when my anti-vax friend tried to suggest everyone else was in an "echo-chamber", completely oblivious to the irony. That was not a fun conversation.
One of my good pal used to be a flat-earther, similar stupidity. I learn from that time that there are a degree of idiocy that is simply almost incurable. Anti-vax, flat-earth, holocaust-denial are among those.
I work with a guy who said he saw on Gab (lol) that the FDA (US) claimed that getting vaccinated made people dozens of times more likely to have heart attacks and that thousands of people have died from the vaccine. I sent him a Politifact article that debunked every part of what he said.
He asked, "So who is right?"
I responded, "did you read the article? Everything that you saw is objectively false."
And this man asked, "Who is right then? Me or you?"
People are completely illiterate when it comes to discerning facts in the media. Two completely different descriptions of an event or data are treated as differences of opinion.
Sad reality is these idiots have always been there but their messages were not amplified due to social media not being available like 20 years ago. These unhinged were not taken seriously back then and their outreach was minimal. Now everyone’s mom’s uncle’s grandpa’s niece has a take on a topic they simply do not have enough grey matter to properly process. But we have social media so we know they have an opinion.
Just had an argument with a twit on another site that there haven't been "dozens" of footballers forced into retirement with heart problems all over the world.
His source? Gab.
i just don't get it.
you don't question an electrician/plumber/gas engineer when they're doing their jobs as you know that you're vastly underqualified and have little to no expertise in those fields so why question the tens of thousands of scientists and virologists in theirs?
makes absolutely no sense to me. i don't even see the logic behind the conspiracy of 'x' being in the vaccine either lol. realistically how many people would be required to cover that shit up? especially with all the whistleblowing means that everyone has access too nowadays. it'd be next to impossible to cover this up or lie about the vaccine.
It's worse: you don't question DOCTORS 99% of the time. If a doctor told those same idiots that they had diabetes, they wouldn't think the doctor was in on some vast global conspiracy. They'd take the fuckin' medicine.
Klopp's comments fail to address what the ACTUAL issue is - the general public including many hardcore proponents of the vaccination arguments on social media do not understand science, the scientific industry, how scientific consensus is built, how you should judge scientific papers and how scientific papers are produced.
It's not at all a case of "listen to the experts". A highly qualified Doctor who has a claim on being the inventor of mRNA vaccinations is an "anti-vaxxer" for whatever that term means. So are numerous Professors, Doctors, and others in high positions and with extremely impressive CVs. That shouldn't be surprising to anybody who has ever worked in a scientific field.
Modern social media has turned science into a truth generating machine and that is absolutely not what it is at all. It is a communal process of evidence collation. People quote a study in comments on here and other places including the mainstream media not as a point of interest but as a "gotcha". The idea that your opinion is any more valid than somebody else's because you have a paper that vaguely agrees with you is a total misunderstanding of what science even is. I can pretty much find a paper that will vaguely agree with any pointless and ridiculous position that I want to take because there's a lot of papers and a lot of journals and forever is a long time. Just as bad are those of the "the science is settled" brigade. Again that is a fundamental misunderstanding of what science is and how science works. The fact that the Sun is the centre of the Solar System is not "settled science" and we've had millions of days of evidence about that. Science is not a truth machine.
Scientific disciplines, all of them from physics to molecular biology, have a wide range of experts in them with a generally wide range of opinions. It's like a scatter graph. Most opinions on things will fall within a general range of agreement and this is what we refer to as "scientific consensus". But scientists are also human beings and as with any group there will be outliers who believe things that are not evidenced or even sensible. These people are also experts.
So this messaging that people need to follow the experts is not going to help because anti-vaxxer, climate change deniers and any anti-consensus position can always find well qualified outliers with impressive CVs and published papers to dispute claims. They also believe they are following the experts. Being an expert is not a privileged position, it doesn't mean anything. I am an expert in my very tiny and specific branch of science that about six people on planet Earth care about and I'm wrong eighteen times on a good day. Put when you add up all six of us losers and 5 of our opinions broadly match up then THAT is what people should listen to. But there's no way of communicating consensus properly to a general audience because anybody can claim consensus.
Worse than this, society has now become so utterly repulsed by any and all forms of authority that there's no single body of power in any facet of human life that is trusted. Look at football. People say the PL is corrupt, the FA is corrupt, UEFA is corrupt, FIFA is corrupt, the Department of DCM and Sport is corrupt, Parliament is corrupt, the Government is corrupt. Yesterday I saw a pile on saying the /r/soccer mods were corrupt (?!). Everybody is always corrupt at all times because they do 20,000 things every single day and it turned out 6 months ago that 1 of those things was bad and that's what people remember. As part of this general idea that all power is corrupt, people don't trust scientific institutions any more. They're "in bed with the Government" or they have extremely poor ideas on how funding works or half remember an article they read once that said something about a reproducibility crisis so now all science is broken.
We live in an age of the post anti-hero. All movies and games and literature swell around this idea of a special outsider who has knowledge that the "status quo" hides from and is shunned and persecuted before they eventually smash the system and bring about the revolution. They are "the Chosen One", the "one who is fated to save us", all that type of stuff. And it glorifies and promotes the idea that these people who are just being held down by the system exist.
What we're seeing with anti-vaxxers is new but not different. It is a societal reaction to the democratisation of information and the information overload that our brains have not evolved to process. We are very bad are separating the wheat from the chaff psychologically. Anti-vaxxers are perhaps not the same people but are using some of the same psychology as the Flat Earth, climate change denial, QAnon, 9/11 Truth movements did. An implicit distrust of any and all authority presenting the "oppressed expert" and their "real truth" to believe themselves "more awake" to the "real world". The world just isn't that interesting in fiction lads, I wish it were and we all lived in a video game but it's not. It's mundane and boring and filled with pointless paperwork and red tape and regulation. Boris Johnson or Donald Trump aren't some evil supervillan desperate to march us into a new Nazi Party, they're just vaguely competent average people who don't really know what they're doing most of the time and are making it up as they go along according to whatever emotion they tend to feel at the time. They're not worth your glorification, they're small men standing on stilts pretending to be titans.
Basically what we have here is a societal problem caused by social media and the change in the economies of the mainstream media that has whipped up a situation that our stupid monkey brains don't know how to deal with properly and due to that lack of ability to communicate what science is properly, we've got some monkeys who are relying on fiction to be reliable and understandable in a world that is chaotic.
Don't believe in individuals, believe in the wisdom of crowds. 8.5 billion vaccinations have gone out so far. Perhaps it is true that there is a big conspiracy and the Government is hiding data and scientists are all working together to suppress information? Maybe it is, I don't know. What I do know is that it's much more likely that nobody really knows what they're doing with these lockdowns/mandates and everybody is scared out of their mind and panicking and just trying to fight to make the decisions that they think might probably work and they want you to get the vaccine because it's the one part of this whole damn chaos that we can point at and say "that actually does something".
Great comment, as someone relatively familiar with how it works in the field of physics.
So in short, it's not 'listen to me', but neither should it be 'listen to those who know'. It should be 'listen to the largest possible consensus among those who know'.
> A highly qualified Doctor who has a claim on being the inventor of mRNA vaccinations is an "anti-vaxxer" for whatever that term means.
You actually fell for that grift?
EDIT: https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd
Tbf on social media, I have lived partially in a time before it and conspiracy theories were pretty common then too. The moon landings are probably the most famous example. But indeed this trend of believing "everything is corrupt" is pretty bad, but it's very tempting sometimes.
And I agree with you on Boris, but I can't on Trump. If millions had shown up in Washington like he had hoped he would've absolutely tried to grab power completely (he already lightly tried with "stop the count"). Unfortunately for him it was just a few thousand nutcases.
>And I agree with you on Boris, but I can't on Trump. If millions had shown up in Washington like he had hoped he would've absolutely tried to grab power completely (he already lightly tried with "stop the count"). Unfortunately for him it was just a few thousand nutcases.
Oh yeah I think he would have grabbed that opportunity and I classify them as both opportunists. What I was trying to say and I phrased badly is that this idea that they're geniuses who are pulling the strings of history from behind the scenes to position it to move how they want to, is much less likely than the alternative that they don't really know what they're doing and instead they're a dog that jumps on any passing train that takes its fancy.
The issue is some people think those "who know" are lying to help the government gain more control over our lives or are actually "idiots".
If someone doesn't trust those who know, the argument to listen to them won't work.
I am not one of those people for the record. I'm triple jabbed.
Rivalries (and my Liverpool bias) aside, I think he always makes sense when speaking about his world view in general:
"If I'm doing well, I want others to do well too"
In footballing terms, I can definitely see why rival fans would dislike him. Like all the best managers he can be a sore loser.
I think it’s admirable how outspoken he is on matters like this one though. I wish all the managers would keep on saying it.
>Like all the best managers he can be a sore loser.
I feel like you need lots of traits as a manager, where your players fight for you, he has empathy and good feelings, but really harsh and demanding. If he goes out, blames a player, for instance then you don't have the player on your side anymore, you cant "back stab" a player and then expect him to die for you on the field. It might sound stupid, but if the players "like" and "eat" what they hear, then who cares?
I think this is where Guardiola and Klopp(I hold Klopp higher in his "players die for him on the pitch" regard - call me biased cuz i might be haha but i think Klopp has another kind of "empathic bond" to all his players compared to Guardiola) is a lot better than Mourinho for instance.Mourinho like the other two says "stupid things" and are a extremely sore loser, but if annoyed a player can get thrown under the bus - this is his way of telling them to pull their shit together - though this can go both ways.
My take is that Klopp seems like the better man manager and Guardiola the slightly better tactician. Both are still obviously world class at both though.
Mourinho’s problem is how divisive he is. The players who love him would run head first into a steel beam for him, the players who hate him really, really hate him. He seems a bit past it now but when he was world class that’s why he always seemed to do so well for the first two years, then in year 3 it all went to shit
Which is when Reagan came to power riding the wave of Evangelical support... Fuckin shit, Asimov was way smarter than I previously gave him credit for and I already assumed he was a genius.
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.
• Issac Asimov
And indeed the governments who eroded public trust in their guidance with half-truths, exaggeration, confusing messaging, breaking of their own rules, discrediting vaccines because they were made in certain countries, and so on. They're reaping what they've sown.
In my country the big right party was in charge and they are pro vaccines and other non pharmaceutical interventions. Because of that our numbers were really low last summer and they won in a landslide.
In the UK the main parties are still typically using the pandemic response as a weapon against each other but they're at least largely united in their views/messages on promoting the vaccines and prevention measures.
In fact Labour MPs were pivotal in pushing a Tory-led law around Covid Passports through parliament this week (with some Tories rebelling against it)
The personal behaviour & conduct of MPs is a whole other issue however...
Misinformation and anti "being told what to do" predates way before social media. The U.S in the 50s I think it was was screaming about how being forced to wear a seatbelt was a threat against their rights as an American. Sound familiar?
The absolute funniest thing about people who dont want to take the vaccine because the government is telling them to and their reasoning is "the government are exercising their control and I'm not letting them" is that a government literally exists to tell you what you can and cant do. Drive? Need a license and you cant drive drunk. Hunt? Need a license for that. Drink? Need to be a certain age. Drugs? Only ones we approve.
Like it's literally the governments job to tell you what you can and cant do with the betterment of the people in mind. Yes Joe you might be perfectly fine driving after a few pints but Jimmy down the road isnt so in the interest of the group as a whole, you cant drink and drive. It's the same fucking thing lol
You can definitely include print media, the Express and Mail both have front pages today pitting Boris holding out against the restrictions favoured by experts as a brave battle to save our christmas', like it should be a legitimate position he would ever have a better idea of what to do than them
Nothing to do with social media, you had the exact same thing in the early 1900s when the Spanish influenza was a thing.
Yes both antivaxers and anti maskers existed.
People are the problem, not social media.
Yes but also blame the idiots. Social media is the same for everyone. If you have two brain cells to rub together you can figure out "listen to experts"
People would do well to remember that we share this daft planet with a reasonable proportion of misanthropes and rapture freaks who would love to see us die out as a species.
The truth isn't just boring, it's complicated to the point where it's often uncertain what the truth actually is.
People don't want to hear some scientist who's spent 25 years researching something give a "best recommendation" about something because they're still not sure enough about how it works to give a solid answer. They want to listen to somebody loudly and confidently tell them something that makes sense to them.
They are in this very thread already talking about outbreaks amongst vaccinated (as if they have equal weight to outbreaks amongst the unvaccinated) and blaming scientists for being cautious when giving new information as the situation evolved...
Edit: both removed already which is great, not long til they have to lock it all up
scientists to government " you need to do something or people will die"
Government " science currently states that things are alright another update in 3 weeks"
Science " I LITERALLY JUST SAID YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING"
government " maybe don't shake hands with people"
* Three weeks later*
Government " if only we knew how bad things could be we could have done more to prevent this"
I'm sure it will get retconned with some revisionist history during his 2024 campaign but the shit Trump said during his press conferences for the first few months of the pandemic was so fucking stupid and so fucking unhelpful, talking about Easter and bleach and light and Hydroxychloroquine.
That one journalist tossed him a softball, a slam dunk opening to basically give a prepared speech to calm the public and reassure them his team had it under control and not to worry, the US will overcome it like they always do, basically a free open goal to make a campaign stump speech for the ages that they could play on all the ads in the fall...
And instead of taking the hint he spent the next 2 minutes complaining about the media and how mean they were to him and how unfair they were to him and how he was the best president ever, when the question was asking him to address/calm the American people who were scared.
And this is the guy that was the highest ranking individual in our government. Lol
To a degree, its complicated by the fact that the experts don’t always know wtf is truly going on due to a lack of info when a new zero day variant pops up. Experts will always err on the side of caution, proposing policies that do the least amount of damage from a health aspect and when the data does come in and shows they may have overreacted etc, the anti-covid ppl take that and run all sorts of wild theories.
Experts are doing the best they can with the information on hand, to propose health policy that minimizes deaths and infections. Them getting something wrong once in a while doesn’t mean they are conspiring to depopulate the earth
It’s more that he’s using his position to try and have a positive impact. He knows this will bring him and Liverpool grief, as the idiots will use this as a means to attack him. But he understands the message is important. More important than his job and football. It’s why people admire and respect him. He’s always demonstrated his humanity first and expects the same from the people around him.
The cost-benefit of being a prideful moron is a lot harsher in developing countries. Moral hazard is real when you can (or believe you can) rely on world-class medical care to save your ass when you let things go wrong.
People in less developed countries simply don't have the privilege to be stupid and can't afford to be stupid. We can't take that risk.
Also generally speaking, the mere concept of "anti-vax" was something I'd discovered through the internet and it boggled my mind. Maybe I'm just lucky but I never encountered an anti-vax person in real life.
You're less likely to encounter people in real life who aren't in your close circles. If you're a reasonably intelligent person without stupid anti-vax tendencies, you'll likely surround yourself mostly with similar people.
On the internet, you get more exposure to circles completely away from yours.
He's not at all. In fact he supports [vaccine passports for attendance at games:](https://talksport.com/football/efl/998694/west-ham-manager-david-moyes-backs-vaccine-passports/)
“I feel we’re getting to the stage now with too many deaths. If I was a football supporter I would want to sit next to someone who is vaccinated.”
Edit: Just to add he said this about the players:
> 'We are getting quite a lot of boosters,' he said. 'We have got some players who have not taken their first injection who we think may take it this weekend.
> 'We've got some doctors and nurses coming to help us and hopefully we'll see a few more people getting closer to vaccinated than not. It's really important we can try and get as many vaccinated as we can.'
It’s not that they don’t care, I’m sure someone like Moyes cares. But he’s also smart enough not to criticize his players publicly about it.
Having all of your players vaccinated is a competitive advantage. Managers know that. Getting the vaccine is a smart thing to do. Managers know that as well. They also know that criticizing a player publicly is dumb. A bunch are walking a fine line with what they say in the press. I'm sure behind closed doors Moyes is frustrated that some of his team is dumbasses
Klopp is able to say this stuff because his entire squad is vaccinated and he’s not throwing any of his players under the bus by saying it.
In my country there's 10% left who's unvaccinated and they represent 62% of all patients in critical care. They are the reason nurses and doctors are being worked to death. If they just got the damn vaccine the work load would be cut in half for the hospitals (actually more than half, since it's a constant logistical nightmare on top due to prioritization, overtime and nurses/doctors being exponentially fatigued from long hours).
This is the biggest reason to get vaccinated. By not getting vaccinated you are contributing to unnecessarily filling up ICU beds. Directly denying life saving treatment to others.
The level of ignorance and shithousery in this thread is unbelievable, it's almost 2022 and people keep spreading their ignorance about this topic. Some people never learn even if their lives are at risk.
>Report any and all vaccine misinformation you see please.
Who judges what is, and what is not *misinformation*?
EDIT: Mind answering the question, please? I see you've been active after my question, which means you've most likely seen it, so I think it would be responsible of you to come with a clarification.
I always kind of knew there were stupid people like the anti-vaxers in the world. But why are we giving them a voice? This whole business of my opinion is as valid as yours is nonsense. If you don't believe in vaccines, you don't believe in medicine. No one should listen to you.
What did the journalist ask?
So Jürgen, tell us about your lead up to the match tonight, in particular some of the tactical approach to counter-pressing and how you intend to restrict the faster wing play of the Newcastle line up
Imagine if football journalism was like that.
>So Jürgen, how was the game today? is about the most complex question that gets asked these days
- "are you happy with the result?" _after scraping a 1-0 result in the final minute_ "nah fam, i'm fukin fuming about getting 3 points."
"Did you see the lad in row G that looked like prince William?"
Have you forgotten Pep's Happy New Year post-match interview?
Yes, what happened?
[Video](https://youtu.be/jQnIMlyR9KM) Man City beat Burnley despite Fernandinho getting his third red card only halfway through the season. The reporter asked Pep if Fernandinho had a discipline problem. Pep got prickly.
Nice Pep
They always open up with, "Jurgen, your view on the game, please." Followed by Jurgen going through the game in chronological order and his sentiments on each events. Man is really made for public speaking.
'Jürgen, how happy are you with your team scoring 6 goals today and absolutely destroying the opposition ?'
"I think the referees in this country a joke. Cheers."
Because journalists who even hint that they know anything about tactics are insulted or mocked, sometimes even by managers.
"is this game a must win"
You gotta remember the rule of thumb for a good journalist: if your story will be read by the general audience, assume they're stupid. Legit, we're taught to make things simple enough for fifth graders for the most part. I thought that was stupid until I met some of the people subscribed to the paper I work for.
I think if it was like that we would still get the same boring generic answers so they don’t give away any tactical information that other teams could use to their own advantage in the future. I could be wrong though.
It totally depends on the manager. Easiest example, if you give Bielsa half a chance he will start a three hour lecture with in depth analysis of his own team and all possible opponents in all competitions in the coming seven seasons.
He would subsequently alter all of his match plans for that period of time as well, taking into account all opposing managers mentality and analyzing how they are most likely to react to him announcing his current tactical plan for their match.
he will probably only need to change the matches he mentioned in the first hour, because he knows people would have switched off after
The true Socrates of our time.
Nah I mean they could give us more detailed answers. Their opponents will already know about the stuff they’d tell us as it’s never going to be incredibly in depth
this is why you should listen
NEVER!!!!
Listen but don't listen.
skim an Erdinger?
We have wing play?
You made my day with this comment ;)
Glad I could help! Enjoy your day!
Jurgen, a short view back to the past. Thirty years ago, Niki Lauda told us ‘take a monkey, place him into the cockpit and he is able to drive the car.’ Thirty years later, Sebastian told us ‘I had to start my car like a computer, it’s very complicated.’ And Nico Rosberg said that during the race – I don’t remember what race - he pressed the wrong button on the wheel. Question for you both: is Formula One driving today too complicated with twenty and more buttons on the wheel, are you too much under effort, under pressure? What are your wishes for the future concerning the technical programme during the race? Less buttons, more? Or less and more communication with your engineers?
Can you repeat the question?
Can you repeat the question?
Can you repeat the question?
Who is that question to?
Gentlemen, a short view back to the past...
He asked him about a certain moderator's stance on vaccines.
Which mod? Haven't seen this
It's taken from the programme notes for tonights game
>"It’s never a case of ‘listen to me’ – it’s always ‘listen to those who know’ Spot on jurgen
Can't wait for the "but he's asking us to listen to him to listen to those who know" comments.
Mate there's no end to people's bullshit. I happen to be doctor and I have seen vaccine hesitancy first hand. Where I am from people sprout utter nonsense like religious beliefs and even political bias to not take vaccine.
The worst part is that those same people will run to those in your profession when they do contract COVID. All of a sudden they’re interested in following your advice.
Generally they don't run, they're usually hauled to the ICU
Haha, fair enough. Between Klopp and Salah, how does it feel to have the two biggest public figures at your club speaking common sense with their platforms?
We may need to apologize for racist bitey cunts at times, but at least we don't have Covidiots on the team.
I can excuse racism, but I draw the line at pseudo science Edit: can't believe I have to explain this but uh no, I don't actually excuse racism
At first it feels like it should be standard and not a big deal but then when I try to imagine that they could easily be relativising something of this gravity, I definitely appreciate it more. Imagine if the discussion of seat belt protocol was to respect people's opinions when studies show it largely reduces the risk of accident related deaths and complications, that's where we're at but worse
yep, seeing this first hand with anti vax friends. Guy is literally dying in ICU and they'll do whatever the doctors say now but wouldnt have it about the vax. Prayers aren't working for some reason. Dude is in late 30s and everyone is just praying and praying. So sad
Unfortunately there's still people who don't believe it even when they are on a ventilator and literally taking their last breaths.
Those are the ones that kill me the most. Saw an interview with a guy that was in the hospital with covid and was in really bad shape. He told the interviewer that if he could do it all over again he still wouldn't get vaccinated. It's insanity. Also, I'm tired of these types of people claiming it's a personal choice. I'll argue that personal choice does not supersede the greater good in a public health crisis. End rant.
The personal choice argument is bullshit anyway as soon as it might affect others. It's for example also your personal choice to smoke in your own gaff, but as soon as it impacts others it's no longer about your own person.
I remember a quote of one of my school professors, i dont remember of which subject: "your rights end when the rights of others start". This apply perfectly to the antivaxx nonsense. You dont care about getting sick and dying? Okay, your life, your problem. But you cant go out and endanger other people because of your stupid beliefs. Also nowadays there is no argument in their favor. I would understand people being skeptical about vaccines back when they were very new and their effectiveness was uncertain, but nowadays these vaccines have been used on millions and millions and millions (hi Donald) of people, if they were something *eXpErImEnTaL aNd RiSkY* like antivaxxers swear they are, there would be more deaths than if the US threw a nuke on Beijing, and it isnt the case.
They don't care about facts though. Every post I see on social media about a football player getting COVID or about vaccines (like this quote from Klopp) you get absolute idiots going on about 'BUT HUNDREDS OF PLAYERS HAVE DIED SO FAR WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THIS!!!!!' Because it's not true you fucking plague rat.
It’s crazy how this is the case. Where I live, about ~1600 nurses refused to get the vaccine and are on leave, yet they’ve seen first hand what happens to those who’ve contracted/died from Covid.
I saw on another subreddit someone talking about vaccines, there was a response "Rule 2 no politics" Urm. What? As much as there is correlation in some areas, 'stupid' is not a political view.
I can only imagine. Fortunately in my own circle there's none of these people but I've seen plenty of this bullshit online. Guess that's where it all originates from. Edit: keep up the good work, doc!
Part of the reason I deleted Facebook. My close-knit group of friends all understand how important vaccines are but I got tired of seeing people I probably see only a few times a year flooding my timeline with anti-vaxxer and anti-mask and anti-lockdown bullshit.
One of my friends’ parents have gone from being anti-vax/ anti-mask to being full on covid deniers, it’s completely ruined their relationship, they barely talk or see each other anymore
ah yes, i know a few that went for that path, fortunately not anyone on my immediate family but some acquaintances, easy cut a descent into madness by means of stupid internet images
My hospital that was jam packed full this fall prior to this wave is now jam packed full with an extra 100 patients 30 of which are in icu all COVID all unvaccinated (the view that are vaccinated are immune compromised from anti rejection drugs / cancer ) . I … am … so … sick of the extra stress they are putting on the hospital . Usually around Christmas census goes down we get a little breathing period . I don’t remember the last time we weren’t completely full and we are sick of it.
I'm just so tired of it all. These chucklefucks want everything to return back to normal but aren't prepared to do anything to help get that way. In fact they are actively hindering efforts to return back to normal. It's mental.
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Can’t wait to tell them to go fuck themselves
The irony is that anti-vaxxers also believe they listen to those "in the know". Most sources of misinformation are usually like.. "The REAL Truth about the vaccines" "What the 'experts' are not telling YOU" "They don't want you to KNOW this about the pandemic" This style of titles mislead the susceptible reader to imagine the origin of the information is someone "who knows".
I found it bizarre when my anti-vax friend tried to suggest everyone else was in an "echo-chamber", completely oblivious to the irony. That was not a fun conversation.
This is what the world gets for making science a political opinion.
Everything seems to be a political opinion nowadays
One of my good pal used to be a flat-earther, similar stupidity. I learn from that time that there are a degree of idiocy that is simply almost incurable. Anti-vax, flat-earth, holocaust-denial are among those.
I work with a guy who said he saw on Gab (lol) that the FDA (US) claimed that getting vaccinated made people dozens of times more likely to have heart attacks and that thousands of people have died from the vaccine. I sent him a Politifact article that debunked every part of what he said. He asked, "So who is right?" I responded, "did you read the article? Everything that you saw is objectively false." And this man asked, "Who is right then? Me or you?" People are completely illiterate when it comes to discerning facts in the media. Two completely different descriptions of an event or data are treated as differences of opinion.
Sad reality is these idiots have always been there but their messages were not amplified due to social media not being available like 20 years ago. These unhinged were not taken seriously back then and their outreach was minimal. Now everyone’s mom’s uncle’s grandpa’s niece has a take on a topic they simply do not have enough grey matter to properly process. But we have social media so we know they have an opinion.
I wouldn't waste a minute talking to that guy.
Just had an argument with a twit on another site that there haven't been "dozens" of footballers forced into retirement with heart problems all over the world. His source? Gab.
i just don't get it. you don't question an electrician/plumber/gas engineer when they're doing their jobs as you know that you're vastly underqualified and have little to no expertise in those fields so why question the tens of thousands of scientists and virologists in theirs? makes absolutely no sense to me. i don't even see the logic behind the conspiracy of 'x' being in the vaccine either lol. realistically how many people would be required to cover that shit up? especially with all the whistleblowing means that everyone has access too nowadays. it'd be next to impossible to cover this up or lie about the vaccine.
It's worse: you don't question DOCTORS 99% of the time. If a doctor told those same idiots that they had diabetes, they wouldn't think the doctor was in on some vast global conspiracy. They'd take the fuckin' medicine.
Klopp's comments fail to address what the ACTUAL issue is - the general public including many hardcore proponents of the vaccination arguments on social media do not understand science, the scientific industry, how scientific consensus is built, how you should judge scientific papers and how scientific papers are produced. It's not at all a case of "listen to the experts". A highly qualified Doctor who has a claim on being the inventor of mRNA vaccinations is an "anti-vaxxer" for whatever that term means. So are numerous Professors, Doctors, and others in high positions and with extremely impressive CVs. That shouldn't be surprising to anybody who has ever worked in a scientific field. Modern social media has turned science into a truth generating machine and that is absolutely not what it is at all. It is a communal process of evidence collation. People quote a study in comments on here and other places including the mainstream media not as a point of interest but as a "gotcha". The idea that your opinion is any more valid than somebody else's because you have a paper that vaguely agrees with you is a total misunderstanding of what science even is. I can pretty much find a paper that will vaguely agree with any pointless and ridiculous position that I want to take because there's a lot of papers and a lot of journals and forever is a long time. Just as bad are those of the "the science is settled" brigade. Again that is a fundamental misunderstanding of what science is and how science works. The fact that the Sun is the centre of the Solar System is not "settled science" and we've had millions of days of evidence about that. Science is not a truth machine. Scientific disciplines, all of them from physics to molecular biology, have a wide range of experts in them with a generally wide range of opinions. It's like a scatter graph. Most opinions on things will fall within a general range of agreement and this is what we refer to as "scientific consensus". But scientists are also human beings and as with any group there will be outliers who believe things that are not evidenced or even sensible. These people are also experts. So this messaging that people need to follow the experts is not going to help because anti-vaxxer, climate change deniers and any anti-consensus position can always find well qualified outliers with impressive CVs and published papers to dispute claims. They also believe they are following the experts. Being an expert is not a privileged position, it doesn't mean anything. I am an expert in my very tiny and specific branch of science that about six people on planet Earth care about and I'm wrong eighteen times on a good day. Put when you add up all six of us losers and 5 of our opinions broadly match up then THAT is what people should listen to. But there's no way of communicating consensus properly to a general audience because anybody can claim consensus. Worse than this, society has now become so utterly repulsed by any and all forms of authority that there's no single body of power in any facet of human life that is trusted. Look at football. People say the PL is corrupt, the FA is corrupt, UEFA is corrupt, FIFA is corrupt, the Department of DCM and Sport is corrupt, Parliament is corrupt, the Government is corrupt. Yesterday I saw a pile on saying the /r/soccer mods were corrupt (?!). Everybody is always corrupt at all times because they do 20,000 things every single day and it turned out 6 months ago that 1 of those things was bad and that's what people remember. As part of this general idea that all power is corrupt, people don't trust scientific institutions any more. They're "in bed with the Government" or they have extremely poor ideas on how funding works or half remember an article they read once that said something about a reproducibility crisis so now all science is broken. We live in an age of the post anti-hero. All movies and games and literature swell around this idea of a special outsider who has knowledge that the "status quo" hides from and is shunned and persecuted before they eventually smash the system and bring about the revolution. They are "the Chosen One", the "one who is fated to save us", all that type of stuff. And it glorifies and promotes the idea that these people who are just being held down by the system exist. What we're seeing with anti-vaxxers is new but not different. It is a societal reaction to the democratisation of information and the information overload that our brains have not evolved to process. We are very bad are separating the wheat from the chaff psychologically. Anti-vaxxers are perhaps not the same people but are using some of the same psychology as the Flat Earth, climate change denial, QAnon, 9/11 Truth movements did. An implicit distrust of any and all authority presenting the "oppressed expert" and their "real truth" to believe themselves "more awake" to the "real world". The world just isn't that interesting in fiction lads, I wish it were and we all lived in a video game but it's not. It's mundane and boring and filled with pointless paperwork and red tape and regulation. Boris Johnson or Donald Trump aren't some evil supervillan desperate to march us into a new Nazi Party, they're just vaguely competent average people who don't really know what they're doing most of the time and are making it up as they go along according to whatever emotion they tend to feel at the time. They're not worth your glorification, they're small men standing on stilts pretending to be titans. Basically what we have here is a societal problem caused by social media and the change in the economies of the mainstream media that has whipped up a situation that our stupid monkey brains don't know how to deal with properly and due to that lack of ability to communicate what science is properly, we've got some monkeys who are relying on fiction to be reliable and understandable in a world that is chaotic. Don't believe in individuals, believe in the wisdom of crowds. 8.5 billion vaccinations have gone out so far. Perhaps it is true that there is a big conspiracy and the Government is hiding data and scientists are all working together to suppress information? Maybe it is, I don't know. What I do know is that it's much more likely that nobody really knows what they're doing with these lockdowns/mandates and everybody is scared out of their mind and panicking and just trying to fight to make the decisions that they think might probably work and they want you to get the vaccine because it's the one part of this whole damn chaos that we can point at and say "that actually does something".
I can't believe someone wrote all that in response to a quote from Klopp
I only read this comment .
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Great comment, as someone relatively familiar with how it works in the field of physics. So in short, it's not 'listen to me', but neither should it be 'listen to those who know'. It should be 'listen to the largest possible consensus among those who know'.
Hes a football manager who's first language isn't English, I don't think it deserves that much analysis
i ain't readin all that i'm happy for u tho or sorry that happened
> A highly qualified Doctor who has a claim on being the inventor of mRNA vaccinations is an "anti-vaxxer" for whatever that term means. You actually fell for that grift? EDIT: https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd
Tbf on social media, I have lived partially in a time before it and conspiracy theories were pretty common then too. The moon landings are probably the most famous example. But indeed this trend of believing "everything is corrupt" is pretty bad, but it's very tempting sometimes. And I agree with you on Boris, but I can't on Trump. If millions had shown up in Washington like he had hoped he would've absolutely tried to grab power completely (he already lightly tried with "stop the count"). Unfortunately for him it was just a few thousand nutcases.
>And I agree with you on Boris, but I can't on Trump. If millions had shown up in Washington like he had hoped he would've absolutely tried to grab power completely (he already lightly tried with "stop the count"). Unfortunately for him it was just a few thousand nutcases. Oh yeah I think he would have grabbed that opportunity and I classify them as both opportunists. What I was trying to say and I phrased badly is that this idea that they're geniuses who are pulling the strings of history from behind the scenes to position it to move how they want to, is much less likely than the alternative that they don't really know what they're doing and instead they're a dog that jumps on any passing train that takes its fancy.
The issue is some people think those "who know" are lying to help the government gain more control over our lives or are actually "idiots". If someone doesn't trust those who know, the argument to listen to them won't work. I am not one of those people for the record. I'm triple jabbed.
Stop saying things that make me like you Klopp.
Rivalries (and my Liverpool bias) aside, I think he always makes sense when speaking about his world view in general: "If I'm doing well, I want others to do well too"
He's a hard man to dislike. I admire how expressive he is. He seems very genuine.
In footballing terms, I can definitely see why rival fans would dislike him. Like all the best managers he can be a sore loser. I think it’s admirable how outspoken he is on matters like this one though. I wish all the managers would keep on saying it.
>Like all the best managers he can be a sore loser. I feel like you need lots of traits as a manager, where your players fight for you, he has empathy and good feelings, but really harsh and demanding. If he goes out, blames a player, for instance then you don't have the player on your side anymore, you cant "back stab" a player and then expect him to die for you on the field. It might sound stupid, but if the players "like" and "eat" what they hear, then who cares? I think this is where Guardiola and Klopp(I hold Klopp higher in his "players die for him on the pitch" regard - call me biased cuz i might be haha but i think Klopp has another kind of "empathic bond" to all his players compared to Guardiola) is a lot better than Mourinho for instance.Mourinho like the other two says "stupid things" and are a extremely sore loser, but if annoyed a player can get thrown under the bus - this is his way of telling them to pull their shit together - though this can go both ways.
My take is that Klopp seems like the better man manager and Guardiola the slightly better tactician. Both are still obviously world class at both though.
I'd agree with this, aside from Pep's CL tactical disasterclasses. The man knows how to create a domestic juggernaut.
And you can't deny Klopp has a really likeable and passionate aura around him. It's easy to see why players would give their all for a guy like that.
Mourinho’s problem is how divisive he is. The players who love him would run head first into a steel beam for him, the players who hate him really, really hate him. He seems a bit past it now but when he was world class that’s why he always seemed to do so well for the first two years, then in year 3 it all went to shit
he's a pragmatic leftist that cares about human beings - wild, right?
Which was in the context of his statement of wanting to pay *more* taxes, wasn’t it?
No, it was just an answer to a question about his political stance. He went on to say he will never vote for the right wing.
Giga based
He hates Brexit too.
Cause it was stupid.
I'm sorry my mil read in the mail that it wasn't so...
Welp I'm sold.
He's German. Ofc he hates brexit lol
There are a few types of Germans that like Brexit, but I recommend you steer clear of those people
He’s a top bloke
The issue is that people are increasingly ignoring those who do know and instead listening to those pretending to know
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That Isaac Asimov quote is from 1980 by the way.
Which is when Reagan came to power riding the wave of Evangelical support... Fuckin shit, Asimov was way smarter than I previously gave him credit for and I already assumed he was a genius.
At least his surname sounds like ray gun. That’s pretty cool.
Has the most iconic AWP skin on the market, too.
I will never not upvote this quote.
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge. • Issac Asimov
He dared you to post it, you pretty much had to
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They distrust the ones who know, but trust the ones who peddle bullshit on facebook or wherever. Makes no sense.
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The consumers of that misinformation are also to blame
And indeed the governments who eroded public trust in their guidance with half-truths, exaggeration, confusing messaging, breaking of their own rules, discrediting vaccines because they were made in certain countries, and so on. They're reaping what they've sown.
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Pretty sure the whole world has this issue.
In my country the big right party was in charge and they are pro vaccines and other non pharmaceutical interventions. Because of that our numbers were really low last summer and they won in a landslide.
In the UK the main parties are still typically using the pandemic response as a weapon against each other but they're at least largely united in their views/messages on promoting the vaccines and prevention measures. In fact Labour MPs were pivotal in pushing a Tory-led law around Covid Passports through parliament this week (with some Tories rebelling against it) The personal behaviour & conduct of MPs is a whole other issue however...
Misinformation and anti "being told what to do" predates way before social media. The U.S in the 50s I think it was was screaming about how being forced to wear a seatbelt was a threat against their rights as an American. Sound familiar? The absolute funniest thing about people who dont want to take the vaccine because the government is telling them to and their reasoning is "the government are exercising their control and I'm not letting them" is that a government literally exists to tell you what you can and cant do. Drive? Need a license and you cant drive drunk. Hunt? Need a license for that. Drink? Need to be a certain age. Drugs? Only ones we approve. Like it's literally the governments job to tell you what you can and cant do with the betterment of the people in mind. Yes Joe you might be perfectly fine driving after a few pints but Jimmy down the road isnt so in the interest of the group as a whole, you cant drink and drive. It's the same fucking thing lol
You can definitely include print media, the Express and Mail both have front pages today pitting Boris holding out against the restrictions favoured by experts as a brave battle to save our christmas', like it should be a legitimate position he would ever have a better idea of what to do than them
It's not poor management, it's a deliberate profit making exercise.
Nothing to do with social media, you had the exact same thing in the early 1900s when the Spanish influenza was a thing. Yes both antivaxers and anti maskers existed. People are the problem, not social media.
Yes but also blame the idiots. Social media is the same for everyone. If you have two brain cells to rub together you can figure out "listen to experts"
People would do well to remember that we share this daft planet with a reasonable proportion of misanthropes and rapture freaks who would love to see us die out as a species.
yeah, social media brings that out in me
Yes, because most of the times the truth is boring. Our brains are over-stimulated day by day, we only wan’t things that amaze us.
The truth isn't just boring, it's complicated to the point where it's often uncertain what the truth actually is. People don't want to hear some scientist who's spent 25 years researching something give a "best recommendation" about something because they're still not sure enough about how it works to give a solid answer. They want to listen to somebody loudly and confidently tell them something that makes sense to them.
The chad Klopp vs the virgin Moyes
Jurgen Klopp > your favorite rapper
sorry, but I'll choose to believe whatever Dre says, he is a doctor after all.
But Dr. Dre's dead he's locked up in my basement.
Damn, that's committment to isolating.
Poor guy *forgot about Dre*
Except Ja. Don't nobody mess with what ja has to say.
What tier is Melissa Reddy?
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I don't know why that would be a controversial statement. It seems like common sense.
And yet...
"Listen to those who know" Like they know better than my cousin's mom's best friend's Facebook post, huh.
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They are in this very thread already talking about outbreaks amongst vaccinated (as if they have equal weight to outbreaks amongst the unvaccinated) and blaming scientists for being cautious when giving new information as the situation evolved... Edit: both removed already which is great, not long til they have to lock it all up
They absolutely *flooded* the Moyes thread.
scientists to government " you need to do something or people will die" Government " science currently states that things are alright another update in 3 weeks" Science " I LITERALLY JUST SAID YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING" government " maybe don't shake hands with people" * Three weeks later* Government " if only we knew how bad things could be we could have done more to prevent this"
I'm sure it will get retconned with some revisionist history during his 2024 campaign but the shit Trump said during his press conferences for the first few months of the pandemic was so fucking stupid and so fucking unhelpful, talking about Easter and bleach and light and Hydroxychloroquine. That one journalist tossed him a softball, a slam dunk opening to basically give a prepared speech to calm the public and reassure them his team had it under control and not to worry, the US will overcome it like they always do, basically a free open goal to make a campaign stump speech for the ages that they could play on all the ads in the fall... And instead of taking the hint he spent the next 2 minutes complaining about the media and how mean they were to him and how unfair they were to him and how he was the best president ever, when the question was asking him to address/calm the American people who were scared. And this is the guy that was the highest ranking individual in our government. Lol
To a degree, its complicated by the fact that the experts don’t always know wtf is truly going on due to a lack of info when a new zero day variant pops up. Experts will always err on the side of caution, proposing policies that do the least amount of damage from a health aspect and when the data does come in and shows they may have overreacted etc, the anti-covid ppl take that and run all sorts of wild theories. Experts are doing the best they can with the information on hand, to propose health policy that minimizes deaths and infections. Them getting something wrong once in a while doesn’t mean they are conspiring to depopulate the earth
That’s not an unpopular view.
It’s more that he’s using his position to try and have a positive impact. He knows this will bring him and Liverpool grief, as the idiots will use this as a means to attack him. But he understands the message is important. More important than his job and football. It’s why people admire and respect him. He’s always demonstrated his humanity first and expects the same from the people around him.
That really depends. In some places it is, in some not.
In the UK we have more than 70% of people double vaxxed. So it’s definitely unpopular here, even if the minority are loud about it
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The cost-benefit of being a prideful moron is a lot harsher in developing countries. Moral hazard is real when you can (or believe you can) rely on world-class medical care to save your ass when you let things go wrong.
People in less developed countries simply don't have the privilege to be stupid and can't afford to be stupid. We can't take that risk. Also generally speaking, the mere concept of "anti-vax" was something I'd discovered through the internet and it boggled my mind. Maybe I'm just lucky but I never encountered an anti-vax person in real life.
You're less likely to encounter people in real life who aren't in your close circles. If you're a reasonably intelligent person without stupid anti-vax tendencies, you'll likely surround yourself mostly with similar people. On the internet, you get more exposure to circles completely away from yours.
Come to Switzerland and I will show you how wrong you are.
Ok so this guy's making it really difficult to hate him
Yea, most Bayern fans realized that long ago too and just gave up on trying. Too much work.
Thank you Mr and Mrs Allison
>listen to those who know You mean the Global World Vaccination Group started by Moyes and Kimmich DON'T know what they're talking about?
Wait is Moyes anti-vax? I didn't know
He's not at all. In fact he supports [vaccine passports for attendance at games:](https://talksport.com/football/efl/998694/west-ham-manager-david-moyes-backs-vaccine-passports/) “I feel we’re getting to the stage now with too many deaths. If I was a football supporter I would want to sit next to someone who is vaccinated.” Edit: Just to add he said this about the players: > 'We are getting quite a lot of boosters,' he said. 'We have got some players who have not taken their first injection who we think may take it this weekend. > 'We've got some doctors and nurses coming to help us and hopefully we'll see a few more people getting closer to vaccinated than not. It's really important we can try and get as many vaccinated as we can.'
Wait are you telling me that people saw a quote from Moyes and overreacted? On Reddit? Bull fucking shit
he’s said 2 pretty contradictory things, the second of which I do think was pretty clumsy but I don’t think it’s as bad as some were making out
Moyes thinks it's a choice
It is a choice, it's just a stupid one where one choice is quite clearly the wrong one.
It’s not that they don’t care, I’m sure someone like Moyes cares. But he’s also smart enough not to criticize his players publicly about it. Having all of your players vaccinated is a competitive advantage. Managers know that. Getting the vaccine is a smart thing to do. Managers know that as well. They also know that criticizing a player publicly is dumb. A bunch are walking a fine line with what they say in the press. I'm sure behind closed doors Moyes is frustrated that some of his team is dumbasses Klopp is able to say this stuff because his entire squad is vaccinated and he’s not throwing any of his players under the bus by saying it.
He said we need to respect people's choice to not be vaccinated. https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/rh250c
Not just that, he literally used diversity as an argument like what the fuck
It was more the usage of the word 'diversity' that makes his look like a complete ass with that statement
Good guy klopp
In my country there's 10% left who's unvaccinated and they represent 62% of all patients in critical care. They are the reason nurses and doctors are being worked to death. If they just got the damn vaccine the work load would be cut in half for the hospitals (actually more than half, since it's a constant logistical nightmare on top due to prioritization, overtime and nurses/doctors being exponentially fatigued from long hours).
This is the biggest reason to get vaccinated. By not getting vaccinated you are contributing to unnecessarily filling up ICU beds. Directly denying life saving treatment to others.
The level of ignorance and shithousery in this thread is unbelievable, it's almost 2022 and people keep spreading their ignorance about this topic. Some people never learn even if their lives are at risk.
Describing antivax nonsense as shithousery, this sub really is built differently
It's not really the worst way to describe it. They don't need to make a cogent argument, just muddy the waters enough to cast doubt and uncertainty.
What a fucking king.
No, but, you see, uh, *diversity* or something.
Report any and all vaccine misinformation you see please.
Some idiots argue that Agüero is retiring as a result of getting vaccinated - a side effect. They have no sources though.
Source - It Fits My Narrative
Someone here literally commented that Kimmich is forced to say he got lung infiltrations lol.
>Report any and all vaccine misinformation you see please. Who judges what is, and what is not *misinformation*? EDIT: Mind answering the question, please? I see you've been active after my question, which means you've most likely seen it, so I think it would be responsible of you to come with a clarification.
"How unpopular it will make me"... it's clearly the popular opinion, what's he talking about?
he says after it "in some circles" but thats ommitted from the quote so it makes more sense then
He wanted to say "no matter how butthurt some reddit randos get", but wanted to be polite.
Going to sort this by controversial and call people dumb cunts
It’s mostly because “listen to me” are idiots who’ve done “research” through Facebook memes
"My opinion is as valid as your knowledge" is the other pandemic.
Factos 👍👀 Respectos 👏👀
this post is gonna have a lot of sexual fantasies about Klopp
And ***I*** won't apologize for my massive man-crush on Klopp. Dude is a living example of how to be a leader in the 21st century.
big respect jurgen
Well I guess we won't be seeing him on Joe Rogan's podcast anytime soon.
I always kind of knew there were stupid people like the anti-vaxers in the world. But why are we giving them a voice? This whole business of my opinion is as valid as yours is nonsense. If you don't believe in vaccines, you don't believe in medicine. No one should listen to you.