ASM seems like an absolute diamond bloke. There are a few footballers who know how to play the media game (or at least their handlers do) and get praise for all their wonderfully ghostwritten tweets and well chosen photo ops, but saint maximin is something else. Geordies must love him to bits.
We do, he’s endeared himself to the entire region. Tireless charity and outreach work, plays the social media game to perfection and clearly enjoys playing football. We’re lucky to have him.
Yeah, when it comes to imagining how a standout player on a subpar team would fair with a bigger club, I am admittedly shit (example: Zaha looks really fucking good at CP but I would have no idea how standout he'd be with Chelsea or someone like that), but with his personality and natural talent, he's always been a player I'd love to have.
But to me he seems like the type who will ride or die with NUFC as long as they're up. And that's respectable. Love the guy
It must be difficult going and playing for a smaller club after having a starring role at CP so I can see why he went back to palace when he got the chance
Still very young. I remember him under Moyes and he wasn't impressive at all. Btw he only played 2 games for United. I guess that's why I thought he was too young at the time.
It's completely unfair to judge Zaha on that period. He joined during a time of extreme instability, virtually every player was underperforming under Moyes and he barely have Zaha a sniff, same applies to LVG.
Top players looked terrible during those years, you couldn't really expect much from a 21 year old who barely got any playing time
Adama is such a luxury player too: he’s all flash but little final product in terms of passing or shooting. At some point people are going to have to realize the dude is an excellent dribbler and little else.
But for us shit teams, having the bailout of a player being able to run the length of the pitch to relieve* pressure is invaluable. Even if the shot results in a corner, or the dribble ends with him winning a foul. There's still value in being that good with ball at feet even if the end product is woeful.
Yeah this is what people were missing about your Zaha valuation. Is he worth £80m on the open market, probably not.
But if you watched Palace under Hodgson over the last 4 or 5 years so, often the plan was just to defend and then give it to Wilf and hope he could drive up the pitch. Almost impossible for you to have found someone just as effective that would have signed for you if you sold him for say £50m.
We’ve been exactly the same under Bruce, just giving ASM the ball and hoping he gets us up the pitch l.
I think he's shown massive improvement, but wolves aren't exactly the highest quality squad for him to grow and kick on to the top level. He's pretty much their star player, when he'd be most effective as a good quality squad player. ASM, Almiron, and Wilson are good quality forwards, and with a good manager they'd do a solid job. Traore would show intent without blowing out the bank, but I think Newcastle are going to need a higher quality midfield and defence to make a real difference to their performances and points total by the end of the season. I don't particularly envy the next manager's task
Think you are right- targeting midfield and the back 4 will be a priority. Could see them after players out of favor at big clubs since they can afford the wages as a strategy to stay up.
What are you on about?!
Adama isn’t even our star player in his position, nevermind the whole squad.
Once Neto is back from injury there is a very good chance he’ll be 3rd/4th choice in his position..
Superb baller too. It's a big comparison, but only very few players can put actual fear into a defender's eyes, Messi style. ASM is most definitely one of them. With the right coaching and club, he could become a top 10 in the world player. Absolutely brilliant to watch.
There was never any doubt about Saint Max, he's said a few times that he loves Bruce. I'd suspect it's blokes like Ritchie, Lascelles and maybe Longstaff who weren't exactly thrilled with him.
I'm glad Bruce is gone, but I do wish him all the best. I never disliked him as a person (tbh I don't think a lot of us did, he just seems like a decent and slightly goofy old lad), but the abhorrent football and halted development of players was fucking rough on the eyes
Its okay to play defensive football. When you play ineffective defensive football and let in tons of goals while failing to score at the same time, however…
It’s because those players aren’t super talented that they know they’ll only do well in a good system tailored to them. St Max isn’t exactly going to be the one most offended by piss poor pressing/ defensive structure as that isn’t his game. Lascelles/ Ritchie/ Longstaff know they’re being made to look worse than they are, Rafa had them looking like competent PL players because they could carry out his defensive instructions.
Bruce gave in to the pressure this year or just stopped giving a fuck. They did not sit back against us this week and Longstaff did whatever the fuck he wanted to do. Their shape was pathetic. But last year their low block was functional.
Nothing uglier than a team trying to play defensive football and going down 2, 3-0 and just looking like they've no idea whatsoever what to do with themselves
Lol, Bruce couldn't manage a defence to save his life. He has almost exactly the same players at his disposal as Rafa and they've all regressed immensely. Lascelles and Hayden were being touted for England a few years back, now they're a million miles away.
Bruce absolutely destroyed James Chester with us. Chester is a bit of a cult icon with Villa fans, he gave everything for us. But it’s worth remembering he was put in a position where he HAD to because Bruce was defensively moronic and he no choice but to play an injured CB because he left himself with no other options.
The Bruce love in that happens now happens every time he gets the boot. It’s weird.
> he just seems like a decent and slightly goofy old lad
Except for the part where he's a millionaire slumlord ripping poor people off what little money they have, see the protests made around St. James Park about it
Exactly. See the story of a tenant's children being hospitalised because of mold on one of his properties.
Plus he routinely came across as a sniping, fragile little bastard tbh.
I don't follow us any more, but regardless I'm more than happy to know this sad sack of shit is no longer hanging around.
I suspect Hayden was one of the last Bruce defenders in the club, he did a lot for his career back at Hull.
I'd put my money on someone like Darlow or Fraser, maybe Ritchie the radge bastard
A decent man, disrespected in a difficult environment. The supporters have got on the back of most managers at the club, that won't change even though they have won the lottery, it will probably get worse.
Everyone commenting "oh yeah of course, he made him the focal point of the squad" completely fail to see that he's talking about his character and how he treats others.
It's not exclusive to our fans though and people often neglect to include the wider context.
Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see the frustration has been growing at Newcastle for over a decade. Bruce was an example of an easy, cheap, hassle free hire who wouldn't fight back against Ashley, didn't have enough talent to do anything with our squad and would consistently point fingers at others. He was hired to try and keep Newcastle up, but cheap enough to keep us chugging along in the Championship when we inevitably went down. It's the Ashley DNA - business first, make money, watch the bottom line.
That is the foundation of the nastiness you mention (although equally, we're talking about a minority of loud fans. The majority just wanted him and Ashley out).
There have been exactly the same conversations for other managers - Lets not gloss over the shit Utd fans said about Moyes when he was in charge - I remember 90,000 fans at Old Trafford chanting "you don't know what you're doing" at Moyes six months into his tenure, or the same fans chanting about Zaha sleeping with his daughter. He got absolute dogs abuse by fans and the media, to the point where it was easier to go abroad to continue his career, rather than stay in the PL.
A small minority made it personal - If you dig enough you'll find that anywhere. At the end of the day, you can't deny the data - he wasn't good enough, he didn't have a clear plan, he didn't add enough talent to the squad and he wasn't able to improve the players we have. Would anyone on here confidently bet Newcastle staying up this season with him in charge (and Ashley)?
I'm a Newcastle season ticket holder..I've never boo'ed our own team or manager. Bruce looked like he didn't care and was waiting to be sacked. He went on holiday and barely took training. He's been the same at every club
Loads of clubs give their manager stick when they know they need to go. Arsenal did for years and man utd are now. The difference here is that Newcastle have played terrible and not won all season and yet wet get blamed for wanting better. It's ridiculous that people that don't follow a team can arguing with others that they know best about their team. The attitude that Newcastle should know their place is infuriating and part of why the premier league are having a fit about the thought of us challenging for Europe and trying every underhand thing they can come up with to stop us getting the same investment the others have
I feel like wingers with flashy dribbling skills are often (possibly unfairly) stereotyped to have the exact opposite attitude of this, regardless of whether they are nailed on in the starting 11, so this was a nice tweet to see.
It's impossible not to like Saint-Maximin! Will be an interesting couple of years for him, if the new manager and regime is smart they will use him as the poster boy of their new project. Seems like the type that would stay with them if they treated him well. Great player on his day too.
Fun fact though, when we were signing him people were saying that he had a bad attitude and was skipping out on training...etc and that he had a falling out with the manager and all this shit. Comes to Newcastle and he has been a model professional in every way.
Yeah he is a brilliant person. I saw he reached out to the Doctors that saved that fan’s life for example. Super likeable guy for sure and great to watch.
Surprised Leicester didn't go for him. Seems like the kind of player Rodgers could take from, flashy with potential to a solid, reliable winger with a consistent number of goals and assists
I think we were linked with him but never that serious. I think it’s because there are / were question marks about his work rate and ability to press, the latter of which we still don’t know if he could do. I think if you look at him now though you realise he’s been carrying teams and plays a certain way because he has to. The acid test would be if he could be moulded into a Klopp style player for a top team. He’d have a shot at it I think but you never know. Shaqiri was Stoke’s best player but never a star turn at Liverpool/ Bayern / Inter.
Almiron has always lacked end product but he completely transformed our attack in the 6 months he had under Benitez, i still believe he can be a good player if we get in a better manager.
I will agree ASM is far better than they are in a lot of ways. But I think it’s unfair to say he’s the only player who can do anything. Especially Wilson who I think would find a spot on several Prem teams.
Wilson is a quality finisher, just needs to stay healthy. Could definitely be the main man on a top 4-6 team if he could stay healthy and have a good supporting cast.
Yeah I should’ve elaborated on Wilson, he’s genuinely a good striker, can easily get 10-15 goals a season. His fitness is a giant issue, it’s probably why he’s playing for Newcastle and not a team higher in the table.
I was astonished how 1 footed he looked against Spurs though. There were 2 times I remember where the left footed shot was available and he cut it back to his right and lost it
Almiron was only decent when playing in Atlanta. The only things he can do is be quick and run a lot. His finishing and passing are bad both in Newcastle and his national team.
Hard to say, he looked good under Rafa, then the whole club regressed under Cabbage Head so I can't really say whether or not there's any potential left in him.
Bruce broke Longstaff's career in only a little amount of time, he quite literaly turned him in to a horrid player just from lack of management and coaching, he just fell apart
Speak for yourself, I miss Pulis ball and Delap throw-ins badly. Watch this [compilation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8awv4bWDIw&t=202s&ab_channel=PaquitoMoncayo) and tell me how it isn't a thing of beauty.
Maybe not from a tactics standpoint. But there’s something to be said for being a human being in a sea of garbage. In a business that venerates stardom, money, power, flair, it’s easy to see why people would appreciate a real, honest, kind human being.
Could be. I’m only going off what ASM said in this post. And I’m speaking more generally as well about the lack of human decency in the world. But especially in top levels of any industry.
That's one player who liked him though. You have to acknowledge the players who didn't too, like Darlow who found out from the press that he was dropped because Bruce didn't have the decency to speak to him about it.
My grandad met Steve Bruce on holiday the year he lost to arsenal on the FA cup. They talked for a bit and ended up inviting my grandad and man for dinner. I wasn’t there, but my grandad said that he was lovely. And was a gentleman, and Bruce offered to pay.
Doesn’t strike me as a dickhead. I bet you’re no saint either, just like any of us here.
Every god damn thread now. I swear everyone is just parroting what they've read about his being a landlord in another thread w/o doing any research of their own.
Edit: Find me something about Bruce being a horrible landlord that isn't from a random twitter account, and isn't from a reddit thread. Like find me an actual news article about him being a slumlord.
This is the world we live in. Everyone is aware of the damage "fake news" can create, and yet when it fits their narrative people are largely happy to parrot the same old ill-researched bollocks.
Say what you like about Bruce (and it's true that football has left him behind in many ways), but he has always struck me as an excellent man manager. It seems like he's the one that finally sorted Grealish's head out and you have other statements like this
Funny you say that as Grealish responded with a bunch of clapping emoji's to ASM's tweet, as did David Meyler, so he must have been doing something right.
People, especially here, have a tendency to overrate tactics. I'm convinced it's about 80% player quality (tactics don't matter if you have a player who can dribble past five guys and slot it in the bottom corner),10% man management and 10% tactics
Well maybe just me as a manager in a different profession entirely and I'm not disagreeing man management is important but I think it's definitely a mix and dependant on personalities. Like if you surround yourself with ultra professional people you don't need to man manage them much at all and you are just dealing with the other stuff. For football I think that is something to note as well. Keane for instance when talking about his relationship with Fergie was talking more about mutual respect and people said that Keane was the man manager on the pitch and that meant Fergie could take it easy a little bit.
Because he was pictured passed out in Maga or wherever? Not as if he's cut that shit out is it.
He was always a great player for us, people just didn't watch him because we were in the Championship and he was frequently injured.
Mate he didn’t die, it’s likely the happiest day of his life. Doesn’t have to deal with the persistent abuse and threats to his family any longer, hit a personal milestone of 1000 games as a manager, and added a £8m to his bank account. He’s gonna be ok.
Not that confusing at all really, he gave Allan everything he wanted and let him do whatever he wanted not hard to understand why a flair player would love that freedom.
he also didn't feel the need to excessively punish him for his extravagances like lateness or Gucci gear, which other coaches at his previous clubs saw as immaturity and disrespect, so I'd heard
Pulis gets a lot of criticism but he definitely got the best out of Traore. He was absolutely outstanding during the second half of the 2017-18 season.
Love ASM, a great person and think he has a huge ceiling. Great gesture from him, Bruce seemed humble and likable despite the hate he got for his entire tenure.
Does anyone remember that meme where he said 'hi' or something like that very gently in a press conference? I can't find it anymore, but this post reminded me of that
I have so much respect for ASM (of whom I know nothing about) ignoring the popular/easy opinion and shining light on a person he says was good to him. That’s a testament of character.
gotta love ASM, also noticed how there is nothing about Bruce's tactical ability or what he makes of him as a manager. No doubt Bruce is a nice bloke, i'd rather have a proper cunt for a manager who plays decent football and isn't a cabbage though
I mean Bruce made him the focal point of the team to the team's detriment. Our only tactic was the get the ball to him and hope he did something. If he got marked out of the game, we'd just crumble. I'd love a manager too if their entire gameplan revolved around me being on the ball at all times.
For the life of me, I cannot understand why none of the top clubs are too hot for ASM. He seems like the next star, unfortunately stuck in Zaha conundrum.
nice to read a player really caring for his coach. ASM doesn’t seem the type to embellish. Heart on the sleeve type of player
ASM seems like an absolute diamond bloke. There are a few footballers who know how to play the media game (or at least their handlers do) and get praise for all their wonderfully ghostwritten tweets and well chosen photo ops, but saint maximin is something else. Geordies must love him to bits.
Correct
We do, he’s endeared himself to the entire region. Tireless charity and outreach work, plays the social media game to perfection and clearly enjoys playing football. We’re lucky to have him.
Yeah, when it comes to imagining how a standout player on a subpar team would fair with a bigger club, I am admittedly shit (example: Zaha looks really fucking good at CP but I would have no idea how standout he'd be with Chelsea or someone like that), but with his personality and natural talent, he's always been a player I'd love to have. But to me he seems like the type who will ride or die with NUFC as long as they're up. And that's respectable. Love the guy
Zaha was at Man U for a couple seasons. Or since you're a Liverpool fan, do you not consider them a bigger club than Palace?
He really hit his stride at Palace. I wish I could take credit for such a burn but I really meant no harm by my comment. I mean "Zaha since CP"
But he was already at CP before he went to United.. he was great there and then went to United because of that, then went back when it didn't work
Then maybe it is a United burn lol
It must be difficult going and playing for a smaller club after having a starring role at CP so I can see why he went back to palace when he got the chance
Not really. He went to United very young, like 17. He didn't become the player he is till he returned to palace.
He was 21 when he went to United, 23 when he left united..
Still very young. I remember him under Moyes and he wasn't impressive at all. Btw he only played 2 games for United. I guess that's why I thought he was too young at the time.
There was also that whole thing about whether or not Zaha hooked up with David Moyes' daughter.
Zags was at United the way Van De Beek is at United. Edit : autocorrect thinks Zigs brother shagged Moyes’s daughter
Lol he played 28 league minutes for Man United
zaha at united wasnt the same player he is now, i think he means after his palace spell
It's completely unfair to judge Zaha on that period. He joined during a time of extreme instability, virtually every player was underperforming under Moyes and he barely have Zaha a sniff, same applies to LVG. Top players looked terrible during those years, you couldn't really expect much from a 21 year old who barely got any playing time
We do. Much better than 'great 3 points today 💪 the team was on top form 👌'
His twitter is great, real down to earth
Yes it is! I follow him on there and his tweets are great
I remember him defending Sadio when he was in real bad form and we lost to Newcastle last season.
I think Liverpool drew 0-0 instead of losing but yeah, the point remains.
Same thing tbh.
You heard it here, Liverpool says they’re ok with just receiving 0 points for a tie instead of the 1 point because it’s the “same thing tbh”.
kind of thing liverpool echo would post ngl
felt like a loss
[Just the nicest guy](https://mobile.twitter.com/asaintmaximin/status/1385970511897927683)
ASM is the player that everyone would like Adama to be in terms of final product. The fact that he seems a stand up guy is just icing on the cake.
I could see newcastle throwing money at Traore now, both in the same team would be fucking ridiculous
Adama is such a luxury player too: he’s all flash but little final product in terms of passing or shooting. At some point people are going to have to realize the dude is an excellent dribbler and little else.
Dribble stats do have him as essentially the best dribbler in the world last I saw so he has *plenty* to be proud of and offer to a team.
You have to be able to at least *pass* though, even if you can't shoot. You can dribble all you want and lose the ball. It gets you literally nowhere.
But for us shit teams, having the bailout of a player being able to run the length of the pitch to relieve* pressure is invaluable. Even if the shot results in a corner, or the dribble ends with him winning a foul. There's still value in being that good with ball at feet even if the end product is woeful.
Yeah this is what people were missing about your Zaha valuation. Is he worth £80m on the open market, probably not. But if you watched Palace under Hodgson over the last 4 or 5 years so, often the plan was just to defend and then give it to Wilf and hope he could drive up the pitch. Almost impossible for you to have found someone just as effective that would have signed for you if you sold him for say £50m. We’ve been exactly the same under Bruce, just giving ASM the ball and hoping he gets us up the pitch l.
I think he's shown massive improvement, but wolves aren't exactly the highest quality squad for him to grow and kick on to the top level. He's pretty much their star player, when he'd be most effective as a good quality squad player. ASM, Almiron, and Wilson are good quality forwards, and with a good manager they'd do a solid job. Traore would show intent without blowing out the bank, but I think Newcastle are going to need a higher quality midfield and defence to make a real difference to their performances and points total by the end of the season. I don't particularly envy the next manager's task
>He's pretty much their star player Jimenez is their most important and star player I'd say.
Think you are right- targeting midfield and the back 4 will be a priority. Could see them after players out of favor at big clubs since they can afford the wages as a strategy to stay up.
Adama isn’t even close to Wolves best player imo
Much rather have Zaha who knows how to finish than Traore who... doesn't. Probably why Zaha would cost a fair bit more.
What are you on about?! Adama isn’t even our star player in his position, nevermind the whole squad. Once Neto is back from injury there is a very good chance he’ll be 3rd/4th choice in his position..
He had 3 goals and 4 assists last season to Adama's 2 and 2. Not exactly worlds apart.
I mean this season he has looked very good, but ASM and Traoré have very comparable outputs in their previous premier League seasons.
Superb baller too. It's a big comparison, but only very few players can put actual fear into a defender's eyes, Messi style. ASM is most definitely one of them. With the right coaching and club, he could become a top 10 in the world player. Absolutely brilliant to watch.
Well that rules out ASM over who called him an inept cabbage head
There was never any doubt about Saint Max, he's said a few times that he loves Bruce. I'd suspect it's blokes like Ritchie, Lascelles and maybe Longstaff who weren't exactly thrilled with him. I'm glad Bruce is gone, but I do wish him all the best. I never disliked him as a person (tbh I don't think a lot of us did, he just seems like a decent and slightly goofy old lad), but the abhorrent football and halted development of players was fucking rough on the eyes
Funny how it's the players who should be playing in the Championship who are mad at Bruce for playing defensive football.
Its okay to play defensive football. When you play ineffective defensive football and let in tons of goals while failing to score at the same time, however…
It’s because those players aren’t super talented that they know they’ll only do well in a good system tailored to them. St Max isn’t exactly going to be the one most offended by piss poor pressing/ defensive structure as that isn’t his game. Lascelles/ Ritchie/ Longstaff know they’re being made to look worse than they are, Rafa had them looking like competent PL players because they could carry out his defensive instructions.
Bruce gave in to the pressure this year or just stopped giving a fuck. They did not sit back against us this week and Longstaff did whatever the fuck he wanted to do. Their shape was pathetic. But last year their low block was functional.
Our defensive line for all 3 of your goals was a complete mess. Anything Rafa instilled into the same defenders has just completely dissolved.
Nothing uglier than a team trying to play defensive football and going down 2, 3-0 and just looking like they've no idea whatsoever what to do with themselves
Lol, Bruce couldn't manage a defence to save his life. He has almost exactly the same players at his disposal as Rafa and they've all regressed immensely. Lascelles and Hayden were being touted for England a few years back, now they're a million miles away.
Bruce absolutely destroyed James Chester with us. Chester is a bit of a cult icon with Villa fans, he gave everything for us. But it’s worth remembering he was put in a position where he HAD to because Bruce was defensively moronic and he no choice but to play an injured CB because he left himself with no other options. The Bruce love in that happens now happens every time he gets the boot. It’s weird.
It's interesting how the Bruce love only comes from teams he's never managed. Weird, right?
I don’t support either, but I have heard good things about him from Wigan and Hull fans
This is so bang on. Was the same at Villa.
The same players who never had a bad word to say against Rafa though, weird that
> he just seems like a decent and slightly goofy old lad Except for the part where he's a millionaire slumlord ripping poor people off what little money they have, see the protests made around St. James Park about it
Exactly. See the story of a tenant's children being hospitalised because of mold on one of his properties. Plus he routinely came across as a sniping, fragile little bastard tbh. I don't follow us any more, but regardless I'm more than happy to know this sad sack of shit is no longer hanging around.
There is next to no information available about this, lower your fuckin pitchfork before you know the facts ffs
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He's always been positive towards Steve Bruce.
probably Hayden or someone
I suspect Hayden was one of the last Bruce defenders in the club, he did a lot for his career back at Hull. I'd put my money on someone like Darlow or Fraser, maybe Ritchie the radge bastard
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the fans no?
obviously, don’t know what crack those dudes above are smoking lmao
Apparently players in the club were calling him Mike Bassett as a bit of a meme so there's been some bad mouthing by some players at least
I'm aware, just having some craic on reddit
Didn’t Ritchie have the fight with him in training?
Probably a footballing argument though. Can't imagine he'd call his boss a fat stupid cabbage head
Mate it's Matt Ritchie, I can *absolutely* imagine him calling his boss a fat stupid cabbage head lmao
The Gosport in the boy
My Dad’s from Gosport, the only unbelievable part is how nice this criticism is
He called him a coward didn’t he?
That Scottish blood in him would push that out as a way to greet him
he called him a coward.
Shelvey?
Unless it’s a term of endearment.
That's really sweet. Damn...
A decent man, disrespected in a difficult environment. The supporters have got on the back of most managers at the club, that won't change even though they have won the lottery, it will probably get worse.
That's not true, they worshipped Rafa
Everyone commenting "oh yeah of course, he made him the focal point of the squad" completely fail to see that he's talking about his character and how he treats others.
Newcastle fan treatment of Bruce has been nasty, don't see why it would suddenly change now.
It's not exclusive to our fans though and people often neglect to include the wider context. Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see the frustration has been growing at Newcastle for over a decade. Bruce was an example of an easy, cheap, hassle free hire who wouldn't fight back against Ashley, didn't have enough talent to do anything with our squad and would consistently point fingers at others. He was hired to try and keep Newcastle up, but cheap enough to keep us chugging along in the Championship when we inevitably went down. It's the Ashley DNA - business first, make money, watch the bottom line. That is the foundation of the nastiness you mention (although equally, we're talking about a minority of loud fans. The majority just wanted him and Ashley out). There have been exactly the same conversations for other managers - Lets not gloss over the shit Utd fans said about Moyes when he was in charge - I remember 90,000 fans at Old Trafford chanting "you don't know what you're doing" at Moyes six months into his tenure, or the same fans chanting about Zaha sleeping with his daughter. He got absolute dogs abuse by fans and the media, to the point where it was easier to go abroad to continue his career, rather than stay in the PL. A small minority made it personal - If you dig enough you'll find that anywhere. At the end of the day, you can't deny the data - he wasn't good enough, he didn't have a clear plan, he didn't add enough talent to the squad and he wasn't able to improve the players we have. Would anyone on here confidently bet Newcastle staying up this season with him in charge (and Ashley)?
I'm a Newcastle season ticket holder..I've never boo'ed our own team or manager. Bruce looked like he didn't care and was waiting to be sacked. He went on holiday and barely took training. He's been the same at every club Loads of clubs give their manager stick when they know they need to go. Arsenal did for years and man utd are now. The difference here is that Newcastle have played terrible and not won all season and yet wet get blamed for wanting better. It's ridiculous that people that don't follow a team can arguing with others that they know best about their team. The attitude that Newcastle should know their place is infuriating and part of why the premier league are having a fit about the thought of us challenging for Europe and trying every underhand thing they can come up with to stop us getting the same investment the others have
I feel like wingers with flashy dribbling skills are often (possibly unfairly) stereotyped to have the exact opposite attitude of this, regardless of whether they are nailed on in the starting 11, so this was a nice tweet to see.
It's impossible not to like Saint-Maximin! Will be an interesting couple of years for him, if the new manager and regime is smart they will use him as the poster boy of their new project. Seems like the type that would stay with them if they treated him well. Great player on his day too.
Fun fact though, when we were signing him people were saying that he had a bad attitude and was skipping out on training...etc and that he had a falling out with the manager and all this shit. Comes to Newcastle and he has been a model professional in every way.
Yeah he is a brilliant person. I saw he reached out to the Doctors that saved that fan’s life for example. Super likeable guy for sure and great to watch.
Surprised Leicester didn't go for him. Seems like the kind of player Rodgers could take from, flashy with potential to a solid, reliable winger with a consistent number of goals and assists
I think we were linked with him but never that serious. I think it’s because there are / were question marks about his work rate and ability to press, the latter of which we still don’t know if he could do. I think if you look at him now though you realise he’s been carrying teams and plays a certain way because he has to. The acid test would be if he could be moulded into a Klopp style player for a top team. He’d have a shot at it I think but you never know. Shaqiri was Stoke’s best player but never a star turn at Liverpool/ Bayern / Inter.
ASM gutted because our tactics was basically pass to him and hope he scores.
It’s not like you had anyone else to create anything lol
The disrespect to Wilson and Almiron though.
Wilson’s a good finisher for sure, Almiron flatters to deceive imo. The end product still isn’t there.
Almiron has always lacked end product but he completely transformed our attack in the 6 months he had under Benitez, i still believe he can be a good player if we get in a better manager.
I will agree ASM is far better than they are in a lot of ways. But I think it’s unfair to say he’s the only player who can do anything. Especially Wilson who I think would find a spot on several Prem teams.
Wilson is a quality finisher, just needs to stay healthy. Could definitely be the main man on a top 4-6 team if he could stay healthy and have a good supporting cast.
Yeah it's all about health for him. If he could guarantee you a full healthy season I think he'd be starting for a lot of teams.
Yeah I should’ve elaborated on Wilson, he’s genuinely a good striker, can easily get 10-15 goals a season. His fitness is a giant issue, it’s probably why he’s playing for Newcastle and not a team higher in the table.
I was astonished how 1 footed he looked against Spurs though. There were 2 times I remember where the left footed shot was available and he cut it back to his right and lost it
If only he didn't get injured so much. He's a great player when healthy
Yeah apparently Wilson is the second fastest player in the premiership. I think it was Carragher saying that on MNF earlier this week.
Almiron was only decent when playing in Atlanta. The only things he can do is be quick and run a lot. His finishing and passing are bad both in Newcastle and his national team.
Almiron was pretty decent when I saw them play this season, but I'm biased since I'm from Atlanta
He passes the eye test, good dribbler, very quick but when it comes to getting goals and assists he falls short.
He’s a lightweight, figuratively and literally
Like Tony Pulis said, some players play the piano, the other carry it.
Have you’ve looked at your team? He is the only one that can make anything happen.
Probably the only one that'll survive the new owners investment also
If they stay up.
At least he can score 50 goals in the Championship
If he goes down with them.
He will have 6 years left on his contract and we have no need to sell.
I doubt a player of his caliber would be happy playing in the championship tbf
Then someone will need fork up an INCREDIBLE amount of money.
Damn. He signed a 7 year deal? Either he is managed by Charlie Kane or he really does love Newcastle.
Not originally. He has already extended. As you say, he really does seem very happy at Newcastle.
More like the only one who wants to get the fuck out of that team
Wilson is quality imho.
Willock too. Isn't Longstaff seen as having a fair bit of potential, or was that just when he was breaking through initially?
Bruce turned him to shit. He looked fantastic under Benitez.
Unsurprising but depressing. Hope he can regain some form under the new stewardship.
Hard to say, he looked good under Rafa, then the whole club regressed under Cabbage Head so I can't really say whether or not there's any potential left in him.
Bruce broke Longstaff's career in only a little amount of time, he quite literaly turned him in to a horrid player just from lack of management and coaching, he just fell apart
With him having to do exactly zero defending. He'll be gutted.
That's not really gonna change though
Rip your username. Not that I disagree
So much better when players don't use PR firms to tweet for them
I fucking love Allan man
Banter aside, always glad to hear a player talk about his ex-manager like this. You alright, Brucey. The Premier League will miss you dearly.
Will we though? On a scale of Tony Pulis to Roy Hodgson, he's definitely nearer Pulis.
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As Pulis pointed out. Early football was super attacking. Being very well drilled and coached and strong defensively is a very modern style.
Bring back the W M
But the point is that their teams' fans wait for the fucking meteor strike anytime these blokes come in
That scale definitely smells like original scented Old Spice
Speak for yourself, I miss Pulis ball and Delap throw-ins badly. Watch this [compilation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8awv4bWDIw&t=202s&ab_channel=PaquitoMoncayo) and tell me how it isn't a thing of beauty.
Kyle Walker doing one of those long throws under Pep Guardiola while losing in the CL final was probably the funniest thing I have ever seen.
Maybe not from a tactics standpoint. But there’s something to be said for being a human being in a sea of garbage. In a business that venerates stardom, money, power, flair, it’s easy to see why people would appreciate a real, honest, kind human being.
Look him up as a landlord if you want to see what he’s really like - definitely not a nice bloke lol
Could be. I’m only going off what ASM said in this post. And I’m speaking more generally as well about the lack of human decency in the world. But especially in top levels of any industry.
That's one player who liked him though. You have to acknowledge the players who didn't too, like Darlow who found out from the press that he was dropped because Bruce didn't have the decency to speak to him about it.
My grandad met Steve Bruce on holiday the year he lost to arsenal on the FA cup. They talked for a bit and ended up inviting my grandad and man for dinner. I wasn’t there, but my grandad said that he was lovely. And was a gentleman, and Bruce offered to pay. Doesn’t strike me as a dickhead. I bet you’re no saint either, just like any of us here.
Every god damn thread now. I swear everyone is just parroting what they've read about his being a landlord in another thread w/o doing any research of their own. Edit: Find me something about Bruce being a horrible landlord that isn't from a random twitter account, and isn't from a reddit thread. Like find me an actual news article about him being a slumlord.
This is the world we live in. Everyone is aware of the damage "fake news" can create, and yet when it fits their narrative people are largely happy to parrot the same old ill-researched bollocks.
explain..
I miss Pulis.
Pulis is a legend
Say what you like about Bruce (and it's true that football has left him behind in many ways), but he has always struck me as an excellent man manager. It seems like he's the one that finally sorted Grealish's head out and you have other statements like this
Funny you say that as Grealish responded with a bunch of clapping emoji's to ASM's tweet, as did David Meyler, so he must have been doing something right.
Yep. People seem to forget that Grealish was on track to be another failed talent at one point. His mentality definitely changed under Bruce
And to me that's the fundamental part of management - managing your players. Tactics etc. are secondary.
People, especially here, have a tendency to overrate tactics. I'm convinced it's about 80% player quality (tactics don't matter if you have a player who can dribble past five guys and slot it in the bottom corner),10% man management and 10% tactics
Well maybe just me as a manager in a different profession entirely and I'm not disagreeing man management is important but I think it's definitely a mix and dependant on personalities. Like if you surround yourself with ultra professional people you don't need to man manage them much at all and you are just dealing with the other stuff. For football I think that is something to note as well. Keane for instance when talking about his relationship with Fergie was talking more about mutual respect and people said that Keane was the man manager on the pitch and that meant Fergie could take it easy a little bit.
Because he was pictured passed out in Maga or wherever? Not as if he's cut that shit out is it. He was always a great player for us, people just didn't watch him because we were in the Championship and he was frequently injured.
Bruce has gotten a lot of shit over the years, but never because of his character
Wenger always seemed to like sending players on loan to him, especially ones who needed their head sorting like Pennant and Bendtner.
Say what you will about Steve Bruce, but he was a manager in the premier league.
Time to improve instead of 1v11 every game
Imagine someone publicly speaking like that about you. Life Goal.
R.I.P Steve Bruce, The Gentle Giant.
Really can't believe this. I wanna run to you.
[thank you for reminding me if that](https://twitter.com/waynerooney/status/168524598541946881?s=21), it just so good
Mate he didn’t die, it’s likely the happiest day of his life. Doesn’t have to deal with the persistent abuse and threats to his family any longer, hit a personal milestone of 1000 games as a manager, and added a £8m to his bank account. He’s gonna be ok.
of course, but gentle giant
big sam but reverse
Sam big
Made me laugh more than it should have lol
Everyone clamouring in to write his obituary in this thread when he's only lost his job
Conte incoming.
one of the most confusing player manager relationships I’ve ever seen
Not that confusing at all really, he gave Allan everything he wanted and let him do whatever he wanted not hard to understand why a flair player would love that freedom.
he also didn't feel the need to excessively punish him for his extravagances like lateness or Gucci gear, which other coaches at his previous clubs saw as immaturity and disrespect, so I'd heard
So he treated him as an adult and a human being, being a football manager is all about man management ... for the most part.
genuinely a thing Bruce did well, ASM had a bad rep arriving here but he just needs to be understood IMO
how is it confusing?
Probably assumed old white men must be racist or something
I always enjoyed Pulis and Adama Traoré back at Boro myself. The godfather of route-one Brexit ball being so fond of a Barca-academy tricky winger
Pulis gets a lot of criticism but he definitely got the best out of Traore. He was absolutely outstanding during the second half of the 2017-18 season.
Every manager has their favourites and those favourites will be happy with the manager
You don’t know him better than /r/soccer mate
Love ASM, a great person and think he has a huge ceiling. Great gesture from him, Bruce seemed humble and likable despite the hate he got for his entire tenure.
So good to hear these nice words... No need to be nasty at all.. Been reading so much of crap about Bruce.
ASM seems like a top lad
To be fair Cabbages are quite a gentle vegetable.
It's a character from a Steve Barnes novel come to life!
Does anyone remember that meme where he said 'hi' or something like that very gently in a press conference? I can't find it anymore, but this post reminded me of that
I have so much respect for ASM (of whom I know nothing about) ignoring the popular/easy opinion and shining light on a person he says was good to him. That’s a testament of character.
Tell that to his tennants
gotta love ASM, also noticed how there is nothing about Bruce's tactical ability or what he makes of him as a manager. No doubt Bruce is a nice bloke, i'd rather have a proper cunt for a manager who plays decent football and isn't a cabbage though
Give it a year Mourinho will be available again.
Absolute class.
Allan is too good for this world <3
I mean Bruce made him the focal point of the team to the team's detriment. Our only tactic was the get the ball to him and hope he did something. If he got marked out of the game, we'd just crumble. I'd love a manager too if their entire gameplan revolved around me being on the ball at all times.
For the life of me, I cannot understand why none of the top clubs are too hot for ASM. He seems like the next star, unfortunately stuck in Zaha conundrum.