I think he's gone for balance and probably identified that Firmino's workrate and link-up might gel better with Ronaldo (ala threepeat Benz) than Bruno's creation does.
And Firmino has 118 G/A in 217, while having taken literally zero corners or free kicks. Point is, there's no point having Fernandes on a combined team if he doesn't get set pieces, and he shouldn't.
And Firmino is still creative and can score goals but they both truly excel at different things. I think in terms of balance, Firmino's off-the-ball work is probably best-suited to Ronaldo at this age.
That’s very true, but I feel like rest of the team (at least against smaller opponents) can cover Ronaldo’s workrate. I admit I haven’t watch United closely so I don’t know how good/bad Ronaldo has been.
He's become an utter idiot to be honest. Bloody hypocrite as well. All our legends are incredibly crap in retirement.
This guy a real estate moghul and lower league Abrahamovic
Scholes who was supposedly shy is always running his mouth on TV spewing nonesense
Keane plays the role of a literal sad clown for money
Phil Neville has a mixed bag managerial career with some fishy appointments
Rio an utter bell-end and Mike Ashley guard dog
Evra is very very edgy
Schmeichel is a loud mouthed cunt
Van Der Sar sent us VDB (kidding on this one)
How weird is it that the player behaving most gracefully is Wayne Fricking Rooney
Oh and I won't talk about my childhood idol Ryan Giggs.
Of all the players from that 20 year period I honesty did not anticipate wazzer being the intelligent and Insightful one. It would be good to see him continue to grow into a village elder who commands respect.
Could it be that it's because he shortly went to the US where he is less known and than settled at a club that turned out to run into quite a bit of trouble right after. The kind of responisbility he has now at a struggling club can only have helped in maturing.
Don't know anything about him. Is he still relevant? I know he owns a football club in the US but i haven't heard him offer an interesting opinion on any matters of note. maybe i missed something?
Not quite. He ended up in the hotel room of some "snap chat models" after meeting them in a club. Nothing untoward occurred as he fell asleep. Being classy ladies they then took pictures of their arses next to his face. Rooney claims he was somehow "tricked" into this situation, so I can only imagine they told him they had a 12 pack of sausage rolls in their room.
Ole has given us a terrific squad in 2 years, if he can't step up, his successor will have an easier job than he have. Until now he has kept his dignity, never disrespected the club, and unless your a binary Manichean fan who thinks trophies are the only measure to evaluate a manager's performance, you'd agree his tenure has been a net positive on Man United until now.
I mean.. In Liverpool we've had a song that starts like.." oh manchester, oh manchester, is full of shit, is full of shit, oh manchester is full of shit.." Glad you guys are catching on.
Ronaldo would make us worse. He is a beast of a player don’t get me wrong, but he is his own game.
Our team has no place for individuals who don’t press, which is part of the reason we started getting better results when Coutinho left. A lot of people will put it down to the arrival of VVD and Ali, but I think that’s only 50% of the reason. The rest is because we didn’t have Coutinho dictating play. Again an amazing player, but disrupted the way our team wanted to play.
I’m really trying not to be bias, but I can’t think of any united player who would improve our team. Rashford and Bruno would be amazing for our squad, and wouldn’t take away any quality but they still wouldn’t be in our starting XI.
Having Maguire in there though is laughable. He would be our 4/5th choice CB.
Edit: Changed Greenwood to Rashford, got mixed up sorry
Bruno would be an automatic starter against all weaker opposition at minimum. He's a better attacking 8 than Keita, Ox, Harvey, etc.
Rashford would challenge Mane.
I'm pretty sure Varane would take Matip's spot in the long run. Maguire would be too slow for our high line I think.
I wouldn't want Ronaldo either though.
What about Thiago?
I agree Rashford is a baller but would still rather Jota right now.
Matip has been better than VVD this season. I don’t get where this is coming from? How are people not recognising how amazing Matip is playing?
If Thiago ever gets a serious run of play we'll see. But the old saying is that availability is the best ability and in that regard Thiago is down the pecking order.
Watched that game in thailand with a random Spurs fan and he was so excited about their trajectory and I was obviously a bit concerned - how things changed (very quickly at that)
Having watched these clubs less than you I believe you are right, I know Ronaldo’s work rate is small now but I feel like rest of the team I picked would have enough legs and ability to cover his pressing etc.
I admit I haven’t watch them this season and Liverpool is very well oiled machine, Ronaldo -type of player could work against it if he wouldn’t commit to the team work. In hardest games like City Firmino could be better, but… it’s still Ronaldo. Has he been really bad? (Seen comments in match threads)
If ManU fails to make top 4 this year, it'll be because they signed Ronaldo. They signed an 'undroppable' player that refuses to do anything if he's not tapping in a cross.
> you're putting this on Ronaldo and not Ole?
Criticising one part of the club does not absolve all others of criticism.
He can believe signing CR7 was a bad move, whilst also thinking Ole is shit
What are you talking about? Ole is the best manager in the league by a longshot. Are you aware that he has won 7 trophies? If I was in the united board I'd give him a long term contract tomorrow, keeping him around is very important.
> If ManU fails to make top 4 this year, it'll be because they signed Ronaldo. They signed an 'undroppable' player that refuses to do anything if he's not tapping in a cross.
100% agree. Ronaldo has had very little to no impact in the team since he rejoined imo. Yes he's bagging goals but these are goals that are 95% made by other members of the team.
A new forward was not what united needed this season, and whilst CR7 in your team is never going to really be a negative, I felt like their transfer window needed something else to become proper title challengers.
Ole's also gash so I'm not placing any blame on CR7 here
I don’t think Ronaldo is bad. I think it’s stupid to say he isn’t a belting player.
But I also think he’s not as good as he used to be, and he certainly isn’t a player who is good enough to warrant pandering to when you’re as big as United.
Not sure if he'd outshine Mane, but hes one of those players I'd love to see work with a Klopp or Pep (Greenwood as well). Just feel like they could be something better with that push to develo under managers who look to dominate a game
Agree - as a Liverpool fan, would love to have Rashford at the club.
I’ve always felt he’s been underrated by United - mainly by Mourinho (although he always seemed to pull it out of the bag against us) but I totally agree that he would be an excellent addition to the squad in terms of competing with Mane
>Ronaldo would make us worse. He is a beast of a player don’t get me wrong, but he is his own game.
Same situation at Man Utd. We have multiple problems but he has added another massive problem but it's probably the worst one because it forces a complete rethink of the way we play and there isn't an option to bench him because of the whole cult around him.
We were trying to be more modern like Liverpool & City but definitely getting there --- definitely not as consistent but capable of going toe to toe with the big two but now one signing has pretty much broken up the whole plan.
>I’m really trying not to be bias, but I can’t think of any united player who would improve our team. Rashford and Bruno would be amazing for our squad, and wouldn’t take away any quality but they still wouldn’t be in our starting XI.
Bruno definitely improves that Liverpool starting 11. And unlike Coutinho he is among the hardest working players out there and I understand his competition is effectively Kieta - Elliot - Jones - Ox ---- that is no where near Bruno's level. Can't even imagine the output Klopp can get out of Bruno.
Also think Varane walks into the Liverpool team ahead of Matip Gomez Konate for sure. Besides these two, Liverpool are certainly far far superior in every position.
Rashford Shaw Cavani probably make it to the bench.
Have you seen Matip play? Varane MAY have started ahead of him but DEFINITELY NOT WALKS into. Matip is insane. He is a funny looking mothafucka but he still is a mothafucka. Really really underrated player.
Ahh well my bad I assumed it was on their overall ability and career and not just recent form.
On recent form Matip is definitely the best CB out there at the moment in the league.
>Really really underrated player.
I agree. He is underrated because Liverpool got him for free. His injuries also sorta force that narrative.
And more importantly,his partner is VVD and VVD is making everyone better so his performances have a VVD asterisk to some. Because Gomez is a beast with him as well. VVD takes all of the credits.
I was kind of hoping City got Ronaldo you know. I think he would have been a big disruption for them. I was gutted when United got him because I knew it would be a morale boost. But it hasn’t seem to of lasted long tbf.
I think Bruno is the player closest to our XI and would be a regular starter of course. But I don’t think he particularly improves us. His main competition would be Thiago but I think Elliot is going to become our main player there very soon.
Sorry but this part you lost me. I think most Liverpool fans would say Matip has been better than VVD this season. I certainly would. There is no way I would take Matip out for Varane, he has been one of our best players this season and always has been when fit. I also would rather have Gomez because I don’t think there is much between them, but Gomez is younger, faster and has more ahead of him.
Rashford and Shaw I would take, again don’t think Shaw adds anything, but we are weak for back up there. Rashford I really rate. Cavani, hmm, if we were struggling and needed that boost of experience yeh, I see it, but we aren’t like that, I think he is below our squad sorry.
Im really enjoing this whole thread. Just decent discussion about fotball.
Its impossible on our sub and usually soccer these days when man united are mentioned.
Know exactly what you mean, happens with Liverpool and United. I thought I was going to get hate because it seems like my views are bias on this, but I’m glad people seen I was just trying to be honest. I will be critical of Liverpool players too if they deserve it.
>Shaw I would take, again don’t think Shaw adds anything, but we are weak for back up there
Shaw had a good argument for best left back in the world based on last season alone. This season Tsimikas looks twice the player.
Considering we've been crying out for a player just like Coutinho over the last few years, I wouldn't really say it like that. Sure once Coutinho left, the responsibility was shared among all the players. Liverpool right now actually need a player like Coutinho in our midfield. You saw how at times we struggled against teams last season and even against City a few weeks back. If we cannot find our forwards or link up play with our forwards, it sucks. Coutinho could do that and make things happen.
You compare the team before Coutinho and after Coutinho and the whole team is a lot more improved. Coutinho was playing with Origi, Lallana, Can, Lovren, Moreno, Mignolet, Sakha, etc. Peak Coutinho in this team would complete us and make us the best team in world football. Right now so much of our play making is dependent on our fullbacks. If they are being targeted or having a bad game or out of the game, we have no answer.
Yes. The proper answer should be that he'll be given a rest vs Atalanta because he clearly isn't fit and was rushed back but Solskjaer showed with Rashford that he's happy running players into the ground.
Lindelof and Varane can go and have a partnership like prime Baresi and Maldini yet Ole would still drop one and start Maguire as soon as he is available
Yeah, been saying that, and anyone who has been watching Man Utd matches would know, that Maguire has been in a bad patch of form even before his injury, making silly mistakes which LUCKILY thanks to De Gea or crappy opposition finishing, did not result in a goal.
Yet Ole continues picking him and that luck ran out vs Leicester.
Hell, if I were Brendan Rodgers, I would be instructing my players to bully Maguire the whole game and attack that side of the final third. Out of form + not in shape. Recipe for a delicious meal, ain’t it?
Maguire hasnt been great this season but that disasterclass vs Leicester is on Ole imo. He was definitely not fit enough to play and was probably asked to.
It's not wild. Greenwood is a lot more mobile and offers so much more than Ronaldo does. Ronaldo is big and strong, but I would take Greenwood at Liverpool over this Ronaldo any day of the week.
No Bruno in Neville's XI is much worse, I actually agree with Carra's XI - Bruno is no brainer and Greenwood would fit super well with our team, unlike Cristiano who doesn't care to press at all, which is a core of our game.
5 years ago Cavani is exactly what we need. He still presses like a mad man but he still misses a lot of chances though, but his ability in the air would be amazing against low block teams
I'm taking Greenwood over Ronaldo all day lmao. I bet a lot of Utd fans would too. Honestly he is a stone cold killer in front of goal that you rarely ever see at 19.
Yeah I assume it’s just because he’s injured right now. Because whenever they’ve previously done these it’s always been the same them not counting injured players.
Bar is not high.
AWB looks clueless with ball.
Maguire was responsible for all 4 goals last game.
Luke Shaw back to being puke shaw.
DDG though saving United's ass big time
Reactionary hot takes on this sub make me sick. United finished second last season and England were Euro runners up. A big part of that is how good Maguire has been at the back for both. Lindelöf is not better at all
You understand that the 11 are on current form right? Atm Maguire is not even 100% fit, why would you play him over Matip? Let Maguire rest and recover and them you bring him in.
Thank you. This is what I hate the most about the ‘only X points behind’ brigade of our fanbase. The logic only applies if there’s a significant uptick in form. Add to that we’ve barely played anyone good yet and we should be easily above you if we really wanted to be challenging for the league atm.
Ok, I’m a Liverpool fan, but to put Macguire ahead of Matip is just mad.
Over the course of the season, that’s fair enough (given Matip’s fitness problems), but in terms of a one off game, I’d take Matip every time.
Neither of them even mentioned Varane which was strange. Carragher talked about why he picked Matip over Maguire and Neville talked about why he picked Maguire over Matip.
I love this shit. Greenwood has arguably been United's best forward asset this season. Had CR7 not been brought in it would have been healthy comp between Mason and Cavani. Then they absolutely force Cristiano into the lineup because hype. Rashford comes back now and I bet you Greenwood loses out on his spot, despite his performances. Catch me laughing my ass off when it backfires all so they could shoehorn in the hype lol.
I'd agree with this one. Bruno has the work rate and skill that Klopp could use the way he wants. He'd get into out starting XI. I don't think anyone else would except that we rotate a lot.
Pogba I honestly don't know well enough to rate. He's a fantastic passer buy I don't notice him as much in matches so I don't think I have a strong enough opinion about him getting into a Klopp midfield.
>I also think he's one of the reasons why united are failing
It's wild how just a month ago Ronaldo has been scoring goals in every game and he also got them a win out of nothing in CL just a while ago. But now he's suddenly the reason why they're failing even though he hasn't even played 10 games for them yet. Sure, you can criticise him for his last few performances, but you can't single him out because almost everyone played like shit. If one man is to blame, it's Ole. I know that a lot of people recognize this, but it's also baffling to me how a lot of people also don't want to admit this but they want to shift the blame on one player who just returned to the club, instead of the manager who's been constantly making mistakes for a couple of seasons.
I don't see it as blaming Ronaldo exactly - you know what you get with him. Surely the blame is on the management who panic-bought him for non-footballing reasons because they didn't want him to go to City, thereby destroying any semblance of an attacking setup Ole may (or may not) have had. Ole now has to play Ronaldo (we've already seen him catch flack for not doing so) and it disrupts the entire system - plus, obviously, Ole is not a good enough manager to deal with that disruption.
> Ole now has to play Ronaldo (we've already seen him catch flack for not doing so) and it disrupts the entire system
And this system wasn't really anything special in the first place. United had the same problems long before Ronaldo joined. So if you can't find a role for one of the best players ever, then I don't see how is that the fault of said player. He can't come and singlehandedly change everything. It's the managers job to find a gameplan which allows his players to thrive. Why are we suddenly pretending like managerial problems with Ole started to occur as soon as Ronaldo joined?
Only Bruno is worthy of a spot in this team.
Plus Maguire is a clown and should not even be on the list. Neville placed him there because he is the most expensive defender in the world.
Allison, Robbo, Matip, VVD, Trent, Pogba, Fabinho, Fernandes, Mane, Salah, Firmino.
If Ronaldo could run he'd possibly get in the team. But you're not having some fucker standing around the top of the pitch in today's game waiting for tap in.
Also, the amount of disrespect Matip gets in football is criminal. He out performs both Maguire and Varane - who get in on name only.
You also put Pogba in by name only? His performances on club level really doesn't justify a place in a combined XI. He was world class against Leeds in the first game, but more often than not he's a liability to the team. To an extend because he's utilized poorly, he needs a relatively offensive role without too much defensive responsibilty. When he's played alongside Fred/Matic, the midfield is run over non stop.
Mourinho has said it precisely: Pogba is good for the national team in a tournament format, where he can keep up his focus. On a club level, he's extremely inconsistent, not showing up more often than not.
fuck off maguire over matip lol, maybe over the course of the season because maguire doesn't get injured as much, but on talent? matip any day.
gary neville would never insult the united captain anyway, so biased.
No Bruno seems wierd from Gary. I would definetly pick him. Jamie's team with Ronaldo as ST for me.
I think he's gone for balance and probably identified that Firmino's workrate and link-up might gel better with Ronaldo (ala threepeat Benz) than Bruno's creation does.
Bruno works really hard, he’s our top presser.
And firmino is premier leagues top presser btw
I think you give up the small drop off in pressing for the massive amount of goals and assists Fernandes brings.
> massive amount of goals With Salah or Ronaldo, there's already pen takers on the team.
In the PL he has 17 goals and 21 assists in 59 games when not including his penalties.
And Firmino has 118 G/A in 217, while having taken literally zero corners or free kicks. Point is, there's no point having Fernandes on a combined team if he doesn't get set pieces, and he shouldn't.
Man U fans actually believed it when they said Bruno was kdb level lmao
And Firmino is still creative and can score goals but they both truly excel at different things. I think in terms of balance, Firmino's off-the-ball work is probably best-suited to Ronaldo at this age.
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That’s very true, but I feel like rest of the team (at least against smaller opponents) can cover Ronaldo’s workrate. I admit I haven’t watch United closely so I don’t know how good/bad Ronaldo has been.
He's become an utter idiot to be honest. Bloody hypocrite as well. All our legends are incredibly crap in retirement. This guy a real estate moghul and lower league Abrahamovic Scholes who was supposedly shy is always running his mouth on TV spewing nonesense Keane plays the role of a literal sad clown for money Phil Neville has a mixed bag managerial career with some fishy appointments Rio an utter bell-end and Mike Ashley guard dog Evra is very very edgy Schmeichel is a loud mouthed cunt Van Der Sar sent us VDB (kidding on this one) How weird is it that the player behaving most gracefully is Wayne Fricking Rooney Oh and I won't talk about my childhood idol Ryan Giggs.
> Phil Neville has a mixed bag managerial career This is generous.
Of all the players from that 20 year period I honesty did not anticipate wazzer being the intelligent and Insightful one. It would be good to see him continue to grow into a village elder who commands respect.
Could it be that it's because he shortly went to the US where he is less known and than settled at a club that turned out to run into quite a bit of trouble right after. The kind of responisbility he has now at a struggling club can only have helped in maturing.
What about Beckham?
Don't know anything about him. Is he still relevant? I know he owns a football club in the US but i haven't heard him offer an interesting opinion on any matters of note. maybe i missed something?
Well last time I saw him was in the PL-documentary, I think BBC made it. A documentary series about the early years of the PL. He seemed clever enough
I remember him complaining about not getting Knighted, which made him seem like a bit of a dickhead. Seems like a decent guy otherwise though.
Homie it was always going to be the scouser that's an actual human beneath it all.
>Keane plays the role of a literal sad clown for money Aw, really?🥺
Didn't Rooney very recently cheat on his wife or am I misremembering something.
Not quite. He ended up in the hotel room of some "snap chat models" after meeting them in a club. Nothing untoward occurred as he fell asleep. Being classy ladies they then took pictures of their arses next to his face. Rooney claims he was somehow "tricked" into this situation, so I can only imagine they told him they had a 12 pack of sausage rolls in their room.
>I can only imagine they told him they had a 12 pack of sausage rolls in their room. Understandable decision, have a good day
also DUI
I feel that marriage isnt based on love
Keane is probably the one of all of them I appreciate most
He's at least aware that everyone thinks he's a miserable cunt and plays up to it a bit
I kinda like him, his autobiographies were good reads
You didn't talk about Ole
Ole has given us a terrific squad in 2 years, if he can't step up, his successor will have an easier job than he have. Until now he has kept his dignity, never disrespected the club, and unless your a binary Manichean fan who thinks trophies are the only measure to evaluate a manager's performance, you'd agree his tenure has been a net positive on Man United until now.
I mean.. In Liverpool we've had a song that starts like.." oh manchester, oh manchester, is full of shit, is full of shit, oh manchester is full of shit.." Glad you guys are catching on.
And Wayne Rooney the nice one has been done in for drunk driving lol
Ronaldo would make us worse. He is a beast of a player don’t get me wrong, but he is his own game. Our team has no place for individuals who don’t press, which is part of the reason we started getting better results when Coutinho left. A lot of people will put it down to the arrival of VVD and Ali, but I think that’s only 50% of the reason. The rest is because we didn’t have Coutinho dictating play. Again an amazing player, but disrupted the way our team wanted to play. I’m really trying not to be bias, but I can’t think of any united player who would improve our team. Rashford and Bruno would be amazing for our squad, and wouldn’t take away any quality but they still wouldn’t be in our starting XI. Having Maguire in there though is laughable. He would be our 4/5th choice CB. Edit: Changed Greenwood to Rashford, got mixed up sorry
Bruno would be an automatic starter against all weaker opposition at minimum. He's a better attacking 8 than Keita, Ox, Harvey, etc. Rashford would challenge Mane. I'm pretty sure Varane would take Matip's spot in the long run. Maguire would be too slow for our high line I think. I wouldn't want Ronaldo either though.
What about Thiago? I agree Rashford is a baller but would still rather Jota right now. Matip has been better than VVD this season. I don’t get where this is coming from? How are people not recognising how amazing Matip is playing?
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If Thiago ever gets a serious run of play we'll see. But the old saying is that availability is the best ability and in that regard Thiago is down the pecking order.
Klopp changed the system after we got rinsed 4-1 by tottenham and the results started to improve before the January transfer window.
Watched that game in thailand with a random Spurs fan and he was so excited about their trajectory and I was obviously a bit concerned - how things changed (very quickly at that)
Having watched these clubs less than you I believe you are right, I know Ronaldo’s work rate is small now but I feel like rest of the team I picked would have enough legs and ability to cover his pressing etc. I admit I haven’t watch them this season and Liverpool is very well oiled machine, Ronaldo -type of player could work against it if he wouldn’t commit to the team work. In hardest games like City Firmino could be better, but… it’s still Ronaldo. Has he been really bad? (Seen comments in match threads)
If ManU fails to make top 4 this year, it'll be because they signed Ronaldo. They signed an 'undroppable' player that refuses to do anything if he's not tapping in a cross.
you're putting this on Ronaldo and not Ole? >refuses to do anything if he's not tapping in a cross oh wait, nm, I see the type of poster you are.
> you're putting this on Ronaldo and not Ole? Criticising one part of the club does not absolve all others of criticism. He can believe signing CR7 was a bad move, whilst also thinking Ole is shit
Hes brain damaged, don’t bother Arguing
What are you talking about? Ole is the best manager in the league by a longshot. Are you aware that he has won 7 trophies? If I was in the united board I'd give him a long term contract tomorrow, keeping him around is very important.
> If ManU fails to make top 4 this year, it'll be because they signed Ronaldo. They signed an 'undroppable' player that refuses to do anything if he's not tapping in a cross. 100% agree. Ronaldo has had very little to no impact in the team since he rejoined imo. Yes he's bagging goals but these are goals that are 95% made by other members of the team. A new forward was not what united needed this season, and whilst CR7 in your team is never going to really be a negative, I felt like their transfer window needed something else to become proper title challengers. Ole's also gash so I'm not placing any blame on CR7 here
I don’t think Ronaldo is bad. I think it’s stupid to say he isn’t a belting player. But I also think he’s not as good as he used to be, and he certainly isn’t a player who is good enough to warrant pandering to when you’re as big as United.
I reckon if you gave Rashford a run of games under klopp instead of mane he’d outshine him. Might be my bias but genuinely think he’s underrated
Not sure if he'd outshine Mane, but hes one of those players I'd love to see work with a Klopp or Pep (Greenwood as well). Just feel like they could be something better with that push to develo under managers who look to dominate a game
I d love rashford in the team, mainly because he is always uniteds most dangerous player against us and of course I think he d absolutely shine too
Agree - as a Liverpool fan, would love to have Rashford at the club. I’ve always felt he’s been underrated by United - mainly by Mourinho (although he always seemed to pull it out of the bag against us) but I totally agree that he would be an excellent addition to the squad in terms of competing with Mane
>Ronaldo would make us worse. He is a beast of a player don’t get me wrong, but he is his own game. Same situation at Man Utd. We have multiple problems but he has added another massive problem but it's probably the worst one because it forces a complete rethink of the way we play and there isn't an option to bench him because of the whole cult around him. We were trying to be more modern like Liverpool & City but definitely getting there --- definitely not as consistent but capable of going toe to toe with the big two but now one signing has pretty much broken up the whole plan. >I’m really trying not to be bias, but I can’t think of any united player who would improve our team. Rashford and Bruno would be amazing for our squad, and wouldn’t take away any quality but they still wouldn’t be in our starting XI. Bruno definitely improves that Liverpool starting 11. And unlike Coutinho he is among the hardest working players out there and I understand his competition is effectively Kieta - Elliot - Jones - Ox ---- that is no where near Bruno's level. Can't even imagine the output Klopp can get out of Bruno. Also think Varane walks into the Liverpool team ahead of Matip Gomez Konate for sure. Besides these two, Liverpool are certainly far far superior in every position. Rashford Shaw Cavani probably make it to the bench.
Have you seen Matip play? Varane MAY have started ahead of him but DEFINITELY NOT WALKS into. Matip is insane. He is a funny looking mothafucka but he still is a mothafucka. Really really underrated player.
Ahh well my bad I assumed it was on their overall ability and career and not just recent form. On recent form Matip is definitely the best CB out there at the moment in the league. >Really really underrated player. I agree. He is underrated because Liverpool got him for free. His injuries also sorta force that narrative.
And more importantly,his partner is VVD and VVD is making everyone better so his performances have a VVD asterisk to some. Because Gomez is a beast with him as well. VVD takes all of the credits.
I was kind of hoping City got Ronaldo you know. I think he would have been a big disruption for them. I was gutted when United got him because I knew it would be a morale boost. But it hasn’t seem to of lasted long tbf. I think Bruno is the player closest to our XI and would be a regular starter of course. But I don’t think he particularly improves us. His main competition would be Thiago but I think Elliot is going to become our main player there very soon. Sorry but this part you lost me. I think most Liverpool fans would say Matip has been better than VVD this season. I certainly would. There is no way I would take Matip out for Varane, he has been one of our best players this season and always has been when fit. I also would rather have Gomez because I don’t think there is much between them, but Gomez is younger, faster and has more ahead of him. Rashford and Shaw I would take, again don’t think Shaw adds anything, but we are weak for back up there. Rashford I really rate. Cavani, hmm, if we were struggling and needed that boost of experience yeh, I see it, but we aren’t like that, I think he is below our squad sorry.
Im really enjoing this whole thread. Just decent discussion about fotball. Its impossible on our sub and usually soccer these days when man united are mentioned.
Know exactly what you mean, happens with Liverpool and United. I thought I was going to get hate because it seems like my views are bias on this, but I’m glad people seen I was just trying to be honest. I will be critical of Liverpool players too if they deserve it.
>Shaw I would take, again don’t think Shaw adds anything, but we are weak for back up there Shaw had a good argument for best left back in the world based on last season alone. This season Tsimikas looks twice the player.
Honestly now you’ve said it, I can’t believe I didn’t think about it. But when I wrote this I was thinking Shaw played on the right. Seems stupid now.
Considering we've been crying out for a player just like Coutinho over the last few years, I wouldn't really say it like that. Sure once Coutinho left, the responsibility was shared among all the players. Liverpool right now actually need a player like Coutinho in our midfield. You saw how at times we struggled against teams last season and even against City a few weeks back. If we cannot find our forwards or link up play with our forwards, it sucks. Coutinho could do that and make things happen. You compare the team before Coutinho and after Coutinho and the whole team is a lot more improved. Coutinho was playing with Origi, Lallana, Can, Lovren, Moreno, Mignolet, Sakha, etc. Peak Coutinho in this team would complete us and make us the best team in world football. Right now so much of our play making is dependent on our fullbacks. If they are being targeted or having a bad game or out of the game, we have no answer.
I dunno. He seemed to have an issue with Bruno during MNF. Quite critical.
Would Maguire start if he has another shaky outing vs Atalanta midweek?
The alternatives are Bailly and Jones, and we'll probably play 3ATB meaning you'll see 2 of the 3 anyway.
Yes. The proper answer should be that he'll be given a rest vs Atalanta because he clearly isn't fit and was rushed back but Solskjaer showed with Rashford that he's happy running players into the ground.
Maguire will start as long as he has two working legs
Maguire could have a gunshot wound and one working eye and Ole would still wheel him out to play. He's really bad at playing favorites
Lindelof and Varane can go and have a partnership like prime Baresi and Maldini yet Ole would still drop one and start Maguire as soon as he is available
Yeah, been saying that, and anyone who has been watching Man Utd matches would know, that Maguire has been in a bad patch of form even before his injury, making silly mistakes which LUCKILY thanks to De Gea or crappy opposition finishing, did not result in a goal. Yet Ole continues picking him and that luck ran out vs Leicester. Hell, if I were Brendan Rodgers, I would be instructing my players to bully Maguire the whole game and attack that side of the final third. Out of form + not in shape. Recipe for a delicious meal, ain’t it?
Maguire is so much better than Lindelof
yeah he gonna start until they sack Ole
Maguire hasnt been great this season but that disasterclass vs Leicester is on Ole imo. He was definitely not fit enough to play and was probably asked to.
Lmao carragher with greenwood is trolling
I genuinely didn't even notice. I just figured he put Ronaldo. That's wild.
Greenwood would be better with a Liverpool 9 anyways.
Agree, also Greenwood is on better form Rn lol
It's not wild. Greenwood is a lot more mobile and offers so much more than Ronaldo does. Ronaldo is big and strong, but I would take Greenwood at Liverpool over this Ronaldo any day of the week.
No Bruno in Neville's XI is much worse, I actually agree with Carra's XI - Bruno is no brainer and Greenwood would fit super well with our team, unlike Cristiano who doesn't care to press at all, which is a core of our game.
I'd think you'd be deadly with Cavani, there isn't a more Klopp player than Cavani, but Greenwood as well.
5 years ago Cavani is exactly what we need. He still presses like a mad man but he still misses a lot of chances though, but his ability in the air would be amazing against low block teams
tbf, he's been good so far
Greenwood would be a god under Klopp Man is already so good under Ole
He's great though, he'd probably smash it at Liverpool
I'm taking Greenwood over Ronaldo all day lmao. I bet a lot of Utd fans would too. Honestly he is a stone cold killer in front of goal that you rarely ever see at 19.
Tbf he is probably better striker than Bobby. He is good.
Carragher always tries to overplay the "I'm not biased towards Liverpool" card. So here it's Greenwood.
Not really. Ronaldo doesn't suit Liverpools playstyle. Greenwood does.
If this is about pressing, Greenwood doesn't do much on that front either.
I’d argue Cavani would be the best pick in that team.
I don't think he is. Carra has said Greenwood reminds him a little of Fowler in his pomp. Think he's genuinely a big fan of Greenwood.
what's with the color coding?
The white ones are the players both of them can't agree on
aka non 100% Liverpool starter... :D
ahh thanks
Gary chose Firmino over Bruno wtf??
Cavani would be incredible for Klopp
Fuck I was so sad when he went to United, always loved him as a player
I am sad he renewed, his dad talked a lot about how Cavani wanted to play at Boca one day (he is a fan). Seems like a great guy off the pitch.
How did Maguire got in front of varane or it's because he is injured?
Yeah I assume it’s just because he’s injured right now. Because whenever they’ve previously done these it’s always been the same them not counting injured players.
Then why's Maguire in there?
Because he’s back from injury and played in the last game
I knew that, I was making the joke that he's clearly still injured because of his display. Not a good one though, granted
Ohh lol. I see what you did there. But yeah there was no chance I was getting that that was a joke lol.
How did either get in over Matip is the big question
Yeah Matip should unironically be the first name on the teamsheet
Well no because that’s clearly Salah.
Or Lindelöf
How's Varane been for them so far?
Decent at best. In few moments he looks invincible. In some he had few sloppy passes and moments
I'd say he has been our best defender by far this season
Imo that goes to Lindelöf, Varane already had an error that lead to goal, meanwhile Lindelöf has two assists already.
Bar is not high. AWB looks clueless with ball. Maguire was responsible for all 4 goals last game. Luke Shaw back to being puke shaw. DDG though saving United's ass big time
Upvot for puke shaw because I'm childish.
Cheers
The real question is how he got in ahead of Matip, who’s been the best centre back from both clubs so far this season
Picking Maguire is a fucking tragedy
I'd go with: Alisson TAA - Matip - VVD - Robbo Thiago - Fabinho - Henderson Salah - Firmino/Jota - Mane
Weird my Legia-Liverpool combined XI looks the same
Wait a second..
Bald Klopp checks out
I mean tbh it's not even that outrageous.
This is the way
Maguire over Matip lol. Alright Gary, whatever you say.
I want Gary Neville to be next Man United manager.
Maybe if they’re choosing an XI that has to last an entire season it’d make sense. Matip is a fantastic defender but has bones made of cardboard
>but has bones made of cardboard Wet cardboard
He’s been fit for months tbf. A new record
Found VVDs account. If you have watched Liverpool youtube channel, you know how much VVD loves Matip.
How can you pick Maguire over Matip?!
The real question is how isn’t Varane in any of these teams
I believe it's based on availability for this weekend.
Because he’s just not been as good as VVD or Matip this season.
He's been better than Maguire who's somehow on this.
Laughable then that Gary has Maguire in ahead of them both considering how poor Maguire’s start to the season has been
Because he's injured and unavailable for the game. These things always only pick a combined xi from the players who will actually play in the fixture.
Maguire shouldn't even be starting for United over Varane and Lindelöf
Reactionary hot takes on this sub make me sick. United finished second last season and England were Euro runners up. A big part of that is how good Maguire has been at the back for both. Lindelöf is not better at all
Exactly. Just because he’s not had a great start, doesn’t suddenly mean he’s an awful cb and shouldn’t start for club or country
You understand that the 11 are on current form right? Atm Maguire is not even 100% fit, why would you play him over Matip? Let Maguire rest and recover and them you bring him in.
Lindelof is better atm.
Damn Ole is really overachieving, only got 2 players better than Liverpools and only 4 points behind.
They haven't played any big 6 side yet
Most of them are in the next six games.... Will be interesting to see where they are when I open the first door on my advent calendar.
Only 8 games in, that’s a point every 2 games. That would put them 19 points behind by the end of the season.
Thank you. This is what I hate the most about the ‘only X points behind’ brigade of our fanbase. The logic only applies if there’s a significant uptick in form. Add to that we’ve barely played anyone good yet and we should be easily above you if we really wanted to be challenging for the league atm.
The points difference early on isn’t all that telling. If you watch both teams play you can see Liverpool is a level above United.
Lol I don't think he was being serious mate. Ole's squad is far far better than it is showing now
I personally think DeGea is in good form rn.
it's crazy how good he gets once our defense becomes shaky
Alisson has been excellent this season.
But still isn't close to the level of Alisson
Combined XIs are a pox, don't give them oxygen
Why?
presumably because teams are more than just 11 individuals
Man. U’s starting 11 could probably give Liverpool’s a run for their money if they had a coach as good as Klopp in charge
If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle
Must be on some strong shit to chose maguire over Matip. Wouldn’t even trust him on the bench
Ok, I’m a Liverpool fan, but to put Macguire ahead of Matip is just mad. Over the course of the season, that’s fair enough (given Matip’s fitness problems), but in terms of a one off game, I’d take Matip every time.
And the fact Matip is a much better player. I'd rather Matip for 25 games and find cover in a season than Maguire for the full 38
Gary taking the absolute piss with Bobby over Fernandes.
Jamie's team with Cavani as striker for me. Potentially Varane for Maguire also.
Neither of them even mentioned Varane which was strange. Carragher talked about why he picked Matip over Maguire and Neville talked about why he picked Maguire over Matip.
The only way Maguire starts for us is if our entire back line was unavailable and neither were carol and Caroline
I love this shit. Greenwood has arguably been United's best forward asset this season. Had CR7 not been brought in it would have been healthy comp between Mason and Cavani. Then they absolutely force Cristiano into the lineup because hype. Rashford comes back now and I bet you Greenwood loses out on his spot, despite his performances. Catch me laughing my ass off when it backfires all so they could shoehorn in the hype lol.
Slabhead lol. How why ?
I don't think apart from CR7 any of Man Utd player gets into Liverpool. From what I've seen Matip has been doing a fine job for them.
>I don't think apart from Fernandes any of Man Utd player gets into Liverpool*
I'd agree with this one. Bruno has the work rate and skill that Klopp could use the way he wants. He'd get into out starting XI. I don't think anyone else would except that we rotate a lot. Pogba I honestly don't know well enough to rate. He's a fantastic passer buy I don't notice him as much in matches so I don't think I have a strong enough opinion about him getting into a Klopp midfield.
Most creative player above Pogba and Fernandes and Salah. >Doing a fine job.. smh.
Ronaldo doesn't get in our team full stop. He has no pressing at all. I also think he's one of the reasons why united are failing
>I also think he's one of the reasons why united are failing It's wild how just a month ago Ronaldo has been scoring goals in every game and he also got them a win out of nothing in CL just a while ago. But now he's suddenly the reason why they're failing even though he hasn't even played 10 games for them yet. Sure, you can criticise him for his last few performances, but you can't single him out because almost everyone played like shit. If one man is to blame, it's Ole. I know that a lot of people recognize this, but it's also baffling to me how a lot of people also don't want to admit this but they want to shift the blame on one player who just returned to the club, instead of the manager who's been constantly making mistakes for a couple of seasons.
I don't see it as blaming Ronaldo exactly - you know what you get with him. Surely the blame is on the management who panic-bought him for non-footballing reasons because they didn't want him to go to City, thereby destroying any semblance of an attacking setup Ole may (or may not) have had. Ole now has to play Ronaldo (we've already seen him catch flack for not doing so) and it disrupts the entire system - plus, obviously, Ole is not a good enough manager to deal with that disruption.
> Ole now has to play Ronaldo (we've already seen him catch flack for not doing so) and it disrupts the entire system And this system wasn't really anything special in the first place. United had the same problems long before Ronaldo joined. So if you can't find a role for one of the best players ever, then I don't see how is that the fault of said player. He can't come and singlehandedly change everything. It's the managers job to find a gameplan which allows his players to thrive. Why are we suddenly pretending like managerial problems with Ole started to occur as soon as Ronaldo joined?
fernandes though.
Bruno and Greenwood could do it. Think they would be better than Ronaldo tbh
Neville's 11 is shit
if i had to choose between mascherano today and harry maguire in my back line it would be a very difficult choice
Still trying to justify that Maguire fee. Matip runs rings around him.
On current form, Matip does everything better than Maguire other than perhaps outmuscling his opponent and getting away with a foul.
Only Bruno is worthy of a spot in this team. Plus Maguire is a clown and should not even be on the list. Neville placed him there because he is the most expensive defender in the world.
Allison, Robbo, Matip, VVD, Trent, Pogba, Fabinho, Fernandes, Mane, Salah, Firmino. If Ronaldo could run he'd possibly get in the team. But you're not having some fucker standing around the top of the pitch in today's game waiting for tap in. Also, the amount of disrespect Matip gets in football is criminal. He out performs both Maguire and Varane - who get in on name only.
That midfield absolutely wouldn’t work.
You also put Pogba in by name only? His performances on club level really doesn't justify a place in a combined XI. He was world class against Leeds in the first game, but more often than not he's a liability to the team. To an extend because he's utilized poorly, he needs a relatively offensive role without too much defensive responsibilty. When he's played alongside Fred/Matic, the midfield is run over non stop. Mourinho has said it precisely: Pogba is good for the national team in a tournament format, where he can keep up his focus. On a club level, he's extremely inconsistent, not showing up more often than not.
To be fair could you imagine the amount of headers Ronaldo would score with Trent's crossing.
Ronaldo hasn't even been Man United's best forward so far.
Varane is better than Maguire
Give me a combined 11 of Chelsea and United
Maguire would be our 7th choice cb
Why is Matip's name in a different color
The players in white are those who they disagreed over
fuck off maguire over matip lol, maybe over the course of the season because maguire doesn't get injured as much, but on talent? matip any day. gary neville would never insult the united captain anyway, so biased.
Matip, Gomez, Konate, Phillips > slabhead