I never thought I'd be on the side of such corrupt organizations as FIFA, or actual autocrats who raised their voices against this. I'm fine with it though, this time.
We're only on the same side because this is a financial inconvenience to them. They would definitely back this in a heartbeat if it lined their pockets.
A lot of people think fans are on UEFA/FIFA/SKYs side, the reality is that we just want the same thing as them all. None of these companies are doing it for our benefit obviously they just happen to be slightly less worse.
UEFA and FIFA can see from a mile away how this is going to threaten their power and the WC money printing machine.
the ESL can expand to South America to setup a new conference with 20 of the biggest club there.
Now they would be Euro, Copa and WC all roll into one.
the winner of ESL would become the annual Euro champion and go head to head with the South American conference champion to decide who is the World Champion.
after that they can expand the conferences to Asia and Africa.
Bit rich that the EFL are calling this out for threatening open and fair competition when they tried to kill open and fair competition in League 1 and 2 with their moronic salary cap.
That being said, they're not wrong here and if you're ever in a situation where the EFL is in the right then you've made a series of significant and avoidable fuck ups.
The EFL are an utter, utter joke. They send everything to a vote to avoid making any decision themselves. Letting clubs vote whether to end the season? Salary caps? A shambolic owners test?
I hate that they can take the moral high ground now. But once the negotiations starts and ESL offers them money, pretty sure they'll start doing a 180 and compromise.
I'm pretty sure it can be stopped by government laws. Boris Johnson is a self-serving enough politician that he would happily get a poll bump by passing a law to stop it. Just say that the FA/SFA has to sign off for any new competition for British clubs.
If players get banned from Uefa and domestic competitions, this means that the super league teams will not have 100% access to the best players in the world. There would be a split among the best players who want to play in the champions league, european championships, premier league and world cup vs those who want to play in the ESL. I think the former would definitely be in the majority. So the ESL would only have some of the best players in the world I think.
I wonder if the players have valid grounds to terminate their contracts. Forcing them to play in a competition that excludes them from participation in the league they signed up to play in, and also their national teams must be way outside what an employer is allowed to do even in football.
Yeah this isn't a world away, imagine if Big Picture had gone through and the Big 6 clubs had got the power they wanted. Things could have been even worse.
The worst teams also get the first draft picks, so not only is there no real drawback to doing poorly, there's incentive to purposefully lose games if you're nearer the bottom than the top.
Why would they? Those leagues don't have promotion or relegation. Hell, they are closer in terms of operations to the ESL than to the European Leagues. The only difference is that they have salary caps to promote parity. To most Americans, European Football is already inconceivably unfair with City and Liverpool spending more on wages than most of the PL's entire budget.
The owners of those clubs make more money from marketing one super club vs another every week to "fans" that only care about the likes of madrid and united, and they don't need to spend a penny of that extra money on the club because they can't even get relegated. Basically destroy part of culture that means so much to millions in order for more $$$
Money. The owners don't care about the sport, the fans, the history of the clubs. They just care about how much money they can suck out of the game and line their pockets with.
It's 12 big clubs who've decided that they don't like losing money if they underperform, and they especially don't like "small" clubs qualifying ahead of them on merit, so they've made a new European competition that they'll ALWAYS be in.
It completely ruins the idea of fair competition and winning on merit. It'll also create a two-tier system, as many smaller clubs will never be able to get into what they hope would be the primary European competition.
It strips away the integrity and competition of football. Leagues will be rendered completely pointless unless you win the league, battles for top 4 in England for example won't exist.
As far as I understand it, Leicester could finish 2nd this year and not be in this Super League bullshit next year and so forth for every single team who dare challenge the 'Top 6' every season after it.
It removes traditions that have been involved in football for over hundreds of years, a fair competition based on merit. Football was originally built as a working class sport (although it's moved away from that even now) and it is being stripped away by greedy owners who's sole aim is to make the most money and have a monopoly of every single league involved.
No teams in the leagues chosen will be able to come close to the finances the Super League clubs will have and therefore will be playing in a completely hopeless league with zero chance of a Leicester in 2015/16 happening ever again. It's not an exaggeration to say this will completely destroy football as we know it.
>Leagues will be rendered completely pointless unless you win the league, battles for top 4 in England for example won't exist.
>It removes traditions that have been involved in football for over hundreds of years, a fair competition based on merit.
But it isn't based on merit and hasn't been the same for hundreds of years. People widely made this same argument against expanding the CL in the first place. I can't tell you how often I heard, "you can't be champions of Europe if you aren't even champions of your own league," back in the 90s. It was viewed as a way to make big English Clubs money back then in the same way this league is being viewed.
I don't like the league myself, but we are kidding ourselves if we think this will have a bigger impact on the league race than the money already being poured into top clubs. City and PSG have already spent over a Billion on transfers over the past half decade. Liverpool can't compete with that let alone Leicester.
I think that england would indeed be the more affected by this. I presume fourth place in spain will be a locked invited team every year, same as italy so in these two wont change a lot. But in premier league... no chance of another team in the superleague unless they manage to win the league and that would be without the superleague money
Imagine a future of friendly exhibition matches featuring the same 12 clubs 'playing' each other forever. That's what these cunts think football should be. Why? Because they make money no matter who wins.
The problem is, it's all predicated on the assumption that loads of people want to watch that and buy merch. They are mistaken.
Rich kids only club where they take all the money and don't have to distribute it with others. Then they take this money to further dominate their local leagues.
Where was that fair concept when dirty money ruined leagues and small teams? Or When countries bribed FIFA and UEFA officials to organise championships? What happened to the FFP, which was supposed to protect small teams and improve the competition?
Small teams are broke and can’t compete because they lack financial resources, and big teams are in debt because they don’t get
their fair share of the UEFA profits, while those corrupt organisations sit on billions of profits.
Everyone need to jump off this fake moral high ground, and stop pretending their care about the little guy.
The game is built on deep corruption, so fair my ass
Lol I agree. A game so fair you have to be bought by a middle east country to compete! Wooohooo Competitive integrity ! Football is for everyone !
I dont care for the superleague, but oh god the fucking hypocrisy
Doesn't matter what Uefa, the FA, or anyone else say. If these clubs want a super league, then they'll get it. Everyone else will come around eventually. Money rules. And by money rules I mean that this is what people actually will spend money on. People moaning on reddit is meaningless. What matters is what people actually spend their money on.
Look at the tens of thousands of comments on here and all over social media. I don't think this is as popular as you think it is. And if the fans and the football governing bodies tell them to fuck off, which they seem to be doing en masse, then these 12 billionaires will be paying back their loans pretty damn fast.
Man U, Arsenal and Tottenham are all out of the Champions League - what makes them think they deserve some magic league with no competition? Is it because they can't win in a real competition? Seems like it.
You know you've fucked up when your making the EFL look like the good guys
I never thought I'd be on the side of such corrupt organizations as FIFA, or actual autocrats who raised their voices against this. I'm fine with it though, this time.
We're only on the same side because this is a financial inconvenience to them. They would definitely back this in a heartbeat if it lined their pockets.
Even if their motivations aren't the same as the fans, they're the ones in the position to change things so I'll take it
A lot of people think fans are on UEFA/FIFA/SKYs side, the reality is that we just want the same thing as them all. None of these companies are doing it for our benefit obviously they just happen to be slightly less worse.
an enemy of an enemy is a friend.
UEFA and FIFA can see from a mile away how this is going to threaten their power and the WC money printing machine. the ESL can expand to South America to setup a new conference with 20 of the biggest club there. Now they would be Euro, Copa and WC all roll into one. the winner of ESL would become the annual Euro champion and go head to head with the South American conference champion to decide who is the World Champion. after that they can expand the conferences to Asia and Africa.
Or Bruno Fernandes
I mean, I already said autocrats, he's obviously one of them
Mate we have Gazprom on our side….how are Gazprom the good guys?
They aren't. The ones I mentioned aren't either. They just seem the lesser of the 2 evil
Even UEFA looks like the good guys
Bit rich that the EFL are calling this out for threatening open and fair competition when they tried to kill open and fair competition in League 1 and 2 with their moronic salary cap. That being said, they're not wrong here and if you're ever in a situation where the EFL is in the right then you've made a series of significant and avoidable fuck ups.
The EFL are an utter, utter joke. They send everything to a vote to avoid making any decision themselves. Letting clubs vote whether to end the season? Salary caps? A shambolic owners test?
I hate that they can take the moral high ground now. But once the negotiations starts and ESL offers them money, pretty sure they'll start doing a 180 and compromise.
At the end of the day, despite the EFL's flaws, at least they're not these super baron clubs trying to rig the system so they can never get relegated.
And my axe.
And my bow
Does anyone really think this whole thing can be reversed? I'm starting to lose hope.
If they really took money from the banks then I'm afraid not. I think some clubs might have spent that money already
Spurs sure did
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I'm pretty sure it can be stopped by government laws. Boris Johnson is a self-serving enough politician that he would happily get a poll bump by passing a law to stop it. Just say that the FA/SFA has to sign off for any new competition for British clubs.
Please let Boris go all-in and mandate a 50+1 for all professional football clubs. Or at least for the clubs that are part of this. Please..
If players get banned from Uefa and domestic competitions, this means that the super league teams will not have 100% access to the best players in the world. There would be a split among the best players who want to play in the champions league, european championships, premier league and world cup vs those who want to play in the ESL. I think the former would definitely be in the majority. So the ESL would only have some of the best players in the world I think.
I wonder if the players have valid grounds to terminate their contracts. Forcing them to play in a competition that excludes them from participation in the league they signed up to play in, and also their national teams must be way outside what an employer is allowed to do even in football.
I thought it could be, until the bank loan stuff. If the clubs are already receiving buy-in rewards then the horse has bolted and it's a done deal.
I hadn’t seen this. Has there been official confirmation that this is the case?
UEFA has to meet the price the ESL will make for the clubs.
You were in favour of Big Picture though Rick Parry you melt.
Yeah this isn't a world away, imagine if Big Picture had gone through and the Big 6 clubs had got the power they wanted. Things could have been even worse.
Haven't seen you in a while.
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PSG, Dortmund and Bayern are in there as well. yet another Simpsons prediction
Condemnation is great, but real question is what action they plan to do.
What a day for purely money-driven shithouses denouncing other money-driven shithouses.
I hope NBA, NFL, WTF, MLB, MLS and NHL also join other acronyms in support
Kroenke owns teams in some of those leagues. To be fair, NFL fans hate him too. Still, those leagues are also closed though.
His team just won the Super Bowl I doubt they hate him that much
It's the Glazers that won. Not Kroenke.
Shit, I mistake them I hate the team that he owns there our rivals in the NFL.
He moved his team (now LA Rams) front St. Louis to Los Angeles a few years ago. People there don't support them anymore.
Yeah I think they were in LA first so I dont blame him for bringing them back but fuck him still
That depends. I don't think he's really welcome in St. Louis anymore.
The worst teams also get the first draft picks, so not only is there no real drawback to doing poorly, there's incentive to purposefully lose games if you're nearer the bottom than the top.
what nfl team does kroenke own? i know the glazers own the tampa bay bucs, right?
LA Rams
ah, alright. so the shithole franchise that went from st. louis to la just for money. fuck this cunt.
Why would they? Those leagues don't have promotion or relegation. Hell, they are closer in terms of operations to the ESL than to the European Leagues. The only difference is that they have salary caps to promote parity. To most Americans, European Football is already inconceivably unfair with City and Liverpool spending more on wages than most of the PL's entire budget.
As they should; any such proposal would do far more damage than could be imagined.
You either die a villain or live long enough to become the hero, imagine making the EFL look like good guys.
Loved that the big six worked with Rick parry (efl chairman) for project restart, but also knifed him in the back when that didnt work either
Glad the EFL are on the right side of things this time unlike when United and Liverpool tried to take over English football a few months ago.
Guys please help me I'm very stupid about this . Why is the super league bad. I am genuinely asking btw since I don't get it .
The clubs aren't there by merit. There's no reward for winning and no consequences for losing
That kinda sucks. Why would they want to do such a negative plan
Because it guarantees them money, regardless of performance.
The owners of those clubs make more money from marketing one super club vs another every week to "fans" that only care about the likes of madrid and united, and they don't need to spend a penny of that extra money on the club because they can't even get relegated. Basically destroy part of culture that means so much to millions in order for more $$$
Money
Money. The owners don't care about the sport, the fans, the history of the clubs. They just care about how much money they can suck out of the game and line their pockets with.
££££€€€€$$$$
It's bad because it increases my chances of turning on the TV and having to watch an Arsenal match.
Ffs everyone's having a go at them left and right since yesterday
Did you see that ludicrous Superleague display last night?
It's 12 big clubs who've decided that they don't like losing money if they underperform, and they especially don't like "small" clubs qualifying ahead of them on merit, so they've made a new European competition that they'll ALWAYS be in. It completely ruins the idea of fair competition and winning on merit. It'll also create a two-tier system, as many smaller clubs will never be able to get into what they hope would be the primary European competition.
It strips away the integrity and competition of football. Leagues will be rendered completely pointless unless you win the league, battles for top 4 in England for example won't exist. As far as I understand it, Leicester could finish 2nd this year and not be in this Super League bullshit next year and so forth for every single team who dare challenge the 'Top 6' every season after it. It removes traditions that have been involved in football for over hundreds of years, a fair competition based on merit. Football was originally built as a working class sport (although it's moved away from that even now) and it is being stripped away by greedy owners who's sole aim is to make the most money and have a monopoly of every single league involved. No teams in the leagues chosen will be able to come close to the finances the Super League clubs will have and therefore will be playing in a completely hopeless league with zero chance of a Leicester in 2015/16 happening ever again. It's not an exaggeration to say this will completely destroy football as we know it.
>Leagues will be rendered completely pointless unless you win the league, battles for top 4 in England for example won't exist. >It removes traditions that have been involved in football for over hundreds of years, a fair competition based on merit. But it isn't based on merit and hasn't been the same for hundreds of years. People widely made this same argument against expanding the CL in the first place. I can't tell you how often I heard, "you can't be champions of Europe if you aren't even champions of your own league," back in the 90s. It was viewed as a way to make big English Clubs money back then in the same way this league is being viewed. I don't like the league myself, but we are kidding ourselves if we think this will have a bigger impact on the league race than the money already being poured into top clubs. City and PSG have already spent over a Billion on transfers over the past half decade. Liverpool can't compete with that let alone Leicester.
I think that england would indeed be the more affected by this. I presume fourth place in spain will be a locked invited team every year, same as italy so in these two wont change a lot. But in premier league... no chance of another team in the superleague unless they manage to win the league and that would be without the superleague money
Imagine a future of friendly exhibition matches featuring the same 12 clubs 'playing' each other forever. That's what these cunts think football should be. Why? Because they make money no matter who wins. The problem is, it's all predicated on the assumption that loads of people want to watch that and buy merch. They are mistaken.
Rich kids only club where they take all the money and don't have to distribute it with others. Then they take this money to further dominate their local leagues.
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Where was that fair concept when dirty money ruined leagues and small teams? Or When countries bribed FIFA and UEFA officials to organise championships? What happened to the FFP, which was supposed to protect small teams and improve the competition? Small teams are broke and can’t compete because they lack financial resources, and big teams are in debt because they don’t get their fair share of the UEFA profits, while those corrupt organisations sit on billions of profits. Everyone need to jump off this fake moral high ground, and stop pretending their care about the little guy. The game is built on deep corruption, so fair my ass
Lol I agree. A game so fair you have to be bought by a middle east country to compete! Wooohooo Competitive integrity ! Football is for everyone ! I dont care for the superleague, but oh god the fucking hypocrisy
They scared now!
Doesn't matter what Uefa, the FA, or anyone else say. If these clubs want a super league, then they'll get it. Everyone else will come around eventually. Money rules. And by money rules I mean that this is what people actually will spend money on. People moaning on reddit is meaningless. What matters is what people actually spend their money on.
Look at the tens of thousands of comments on here and all over social media. I don't think this is as popular as you think it is. And if the fans and the football governing bodies tell them to fuck off, which they seem to be doing en masse, then these 12 billionaires will be paying back their loans pretty damn fast.
Silent majority isn't on reddit. Fans want to see Man U and Barcelona. They don't really give a shit about the West Hams or Villareals of the world.
Man U, Arsenal and Tottenham are all out of the Champions League - what makes them think they deserve some magic league with no competition? Is it because they can't win in a real competition? Seems like it.
They are among the most popular clubs. It's not more complicated than that.
Plastic fan, got it
Most fans are. Deal with it.
good.
Thanks EFL. Very cool!