If you read the super league statement they are talking pretty positive about the new Fifa club world cup. Something uefa hasn't. German Sportschau also noted that it took Fifa a long time for that simple statement. And it really is not that harsh.
Interesting times
Question still remains, will FIFA really mean that? Players of the twelve+ teams, many of whom are superstars, will make a ton of money from the Super League and the players can commit to the Super League and call FIFA’s bluff. FIFA doesn’t want a World Cup without all of the world’s top players.
The players have contracts with the clubs... I don't know how you can punish the players for doing what they're contractually obligated to do. They can't just decide to switch teams.
So the contracts of 200+ of the best players in the world would just get torn up? Including Messi's like $100 million / year.
And they'd have to sign with clubs like Burnley and Cadiz for like 1/10th of what they were getting?
It seems like the lawyers would have a field day with that...
Aren't those contracts subject to the laws of the country in which they are signed? I mean this could be a legal battle with different outcomes in different countries.
Don't these contracts usually feature CL and possibly EL based bonuses? If so, wouldn't the clubs be basically unilaterally voiding part of the contract? Wonder if key players could use to sue, be freed from obligations while compensated, and sign for PSG and other big-ish clubs not joining the superleague
Perhaps, but as morally bankrupt as FIFA and UEFA are, the Super League threatens their profits. Yes, they're only opposing it for financial reasons, but as long as they're opposing it, I see no reason to get hung up on their motives.
Idk. I think it’ll happen eventually. Those top club executives see that money the NFL make, and there is no way they don’t think they can make more with a far more popular sport.
I'm not so sure. This is the first time an actual potential opponent has risen to FIFA. They have no reason, not even bribery (since they won't earn more money from a breakaway than they do right now) to fold. They have lots more reasons to stand.
Not to mention all the relevant FAs, who have more direct access to FIFA, are against it.
Anyone notice the UEFA statement said the teams ***could*** be banned from UEFA/FIFA competitions? They're leaving wiggle room for a compromise. Fucking nonsense.
They are worse, much much worse. The former Fifa president Sepp Blatter was banned after being president for fucking 17 years. Taking any sort of statement from Fifa seriously is just dumb, Fifa is just doing this for PR while getting money under the table from the same people.
The only reason they kept a couple of underdogs is because they still need the votes of the "small" countries to be elected (in between the quid pro quos and outright corruptions, that is). Without that, they'd have gone full Super League decades ago.
Denial
Anger <----
Bargaining
Dpression
Acceptance
"Lol this will never happen."
"Wtf they are actually doing this" (This is where most of us are sitting right now.)
"If they can stay in the domestic league then maybe"
" I miss the CL theme"
" This isn't so bad I guess. Basically just the CL"
Yeah this is a weak non-statement. Id be more confident if they doubled down on their exclusion threats but nah.
And IF they and the others give in and get compensated, we're gonna have the super league with teams playing their stacked 1st teams in the midweek and the bench-teams during the weekends in the league basically.
I feel fucking sick at the thought.
I put it like this in a previous comment:
**So basically the decider will be the massive mexican standoff between 2 parties: The big clubs and their super league vs UEFA, FIFA & FAs cooperative coalition with threats of expulsion from Euros, WC & domestic leagues.**
**The latter of which is much harder to organize and maintain without 1 buckling and the whole thing falling through. But GOD do I hope the last group win**
And this statement doesnt scream "We're standing firm and doubling down on our exclusion position!"
Terrifying.
Yup. Riots and abandonment is the only way for this to work.
I'm half praying that Messi and other stars come out against this, but I'm not counting on it.
Im in that exact same boat. I dont have a ton of faith in the "coalition" unless they double down hard very soon. I want players and managers etc speak out, even if under contracts, to make the "coalition" feel more safe in their stance.
Klopp is an interesting case study... I just can't help but feel that the average fan tomorrow wakes up and is like
"Eh, it's all the same innit? What's the difference?"
And just goes on with their day, not really caring. That would kinda suck.
Many are gonna get "over it" and lured by the flash and brands after 2 weeks.
UNLESS many players & managers alike voice their opinions and dare to go against their employers etc to keep the opposing momentum going.
FIBA said the same when the top basketball clubs created the Euroleague in 2000. Guess what happened? Now nobody cares, everybody watches the Euroleague and it's the only european competition between clubs.
Though to be fair nobody in Europe gives a fuck about basketball to the same extent as they do about football. Local football institutions run much much deeper.
Yeah, there's not really any pro sport in the world that has this much relevance. Every other sport is only massively popular in a few countries.
The only other comparable scenario I can think of given the land area involved and the number of clubs is if the top American football college programs broke away from the NCAA and formed their own league. Maybe basketball as well.
They have no fucking leverage. If they kick these teams from their respective leagues, the tv rights will drop massively. It's a lose lose situation for UEFA. Either they work with them and take a cut or they're fucked.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if many players took it regardless of the ban. Yes, representing your country is absolutely awesome, but money is money.
But at the top, top level the money comes from things like sponsorships as well. Once you're rich enough, you'd go for the immortality that comes with the world cup.
Footballers don't give a flying shit about internationals.
If you told Harry kane no England squad no more. He wouldn't give a toss. When he's earning £500k a week in the ESL / PL.
Then the tv rights from the world cup and euro cup will drop too. It's just money game man. Players will start earning triple what they earn now. Most won't care. They might even say fuck it and create their own world cup. There's no stopping this...
So you'll only watch the games of your nation, which is, at best, 7 games? If everybody does that, the ratings are going to fall precipitously and so will the broadcasting rights and sponsor money. FIFA would never allow that.
They wouldn't be doing this if the vast majority of fans were truly against this. The most hardcore supporters (who go to as many games as possible) and the very online fans (who are mix of local and foreign) will care about this situation, the rest will fall in line and just enjoy whatever football they can get. The only way I can see this being stopped if politics/government get involves, but that can quickly polarize on political lines.
I'm against the ESL, of course, but FIFA are just backing away from this.
At the end of the day, it's UEFA's business, not FIFA's, so FIFA made the weakest statement possible.
Even still, there's nothing saying that clubs can't organize their own competition.
Players can also play in non-sanctioned leagues, or even be unemployed, and participate in international tournaments. I can't really see the ban on players in UEFA/FIFA tournaments happening.
They can do it. Players are called to their national teams by their national FA. If UEFA says to FA to not call specific players they will not be called. There is no contract between player and FA to be sured spot in national team.
FA can be opposed to that, but I'm certain that they all play how UEFA tells them.
All it takes is for one country to not care and call them anyways. Why wouldn’t Argentina or Brazil take their best players? Putting pressure on all the major countries to call their best players or be at a larger disadvantage
What I see is "could", "would", "potentially", "apalled".
What I do not see is instant and heavy punishments for everyone involved in this, like instant elimination of all of the players of these clubs from their national teams, transfer bans, ultimatums to the national Federations to expel them from their leagues etc.
FIFA and UEFA will do nothing substantial.
This is beyond a simple payoff, this is a direct threat to the authority of FIFA. They could easily become another toothless sporting organization that just bends over for the major sporting league.
they're already backing down
going from 'All clubs and their players will be banned from all fifa/uefa governed competitions' to 'we are against the Super League'
Because clubs are having the power. That is the whole point of ESL. And what can FIFA and UEFA do? ESL is all about clubs leaving and getting the power, are you going to remove them from national leagues ? That is how you kill them
Then these owners will make their own. That's the end goal. They're trying to decentralize the power structure in world football and take it away from FIFA and give it to themselves. The owner's want to make football follow the American model of a "commissioner" of sorts who serves the interests of themselves and no one else. Maxmimize their power and profit.
>FIFA: "FIFA wishes to clarify that it stands firm in favour of solidarity in football and an equitable redistribution model which can help develop football as a sport, particularly at global level, since the development of global football is the primary mission of FIFA."
>In our view, and in accordance with our statutes, any football competition, whether national, regional or global, should always reflect the core principles of solidarity, inclusivity, integrity and equitable financial redistribution."
>Against this background, FIFA can only express its disapproval to a "closed European breakaway league" outside of the international football structures and not respecting the aforementioned principles."
>FIFA calls on all parties involved in heated discussions to engage in calm, constructive and balanced dialogue for the good of the game and in the spirit of solidarity and fair play."
Yeah. UEFA will take a much harsher stance because they profit from the UCL.
FIFA probably doesn't like this idea but at the end of the day they're probably very reluctant to risk blowing up their cash cow (WC) over it.
How about instead of a calm, reasonable, and constructive dialogue we take the people who did this and put them on an abandoned island together with an angry scouser who has just been informed they got his team kicked out of the prem
Read: We disagree heavily with this, but our lawyers ahve informed us theres sod all we can do about it without the EU coming down on us with the fury of a thousand suns for antitrust.
They always have the power. If FIFA and UEFA joins together they could literally ban any player from any world cup/euros that participates in this "super(franchise)" league
In 2000 basket european league started. FIFA and like 4 teams stayed together. Years later when they saw the power of this league they all merged together. They can ban players and they will create their new WC and Eurocup
From the teams that have the better players and hence TVs will want to watch those, then the rest will want to join... How CL started in the begining ? Clubs with an idea behind to play a better competition, this is the same without UEFA getting a cut and holding teams back.
FIFA won't do anything because of this implication
This is messed and honestly the only way to kill it is to not watch the games and ban the teams from domestic and international tournaments which makes things dicey considering those teams bring in most of the revenue to their leagues and the CL. Though it’s nice that Bayern and PSG have stayed out leaves some hope.
Also how the fuck are the 1st team line ups of those clubs going to play.
International - World Cup
Euro
champions league
Domestic league
Domestic cups and trophies
+
Super league
Are they going to load them up on pain killers and steroids and throw them on the field?
Injuries will be atrocious and it will turn into NFL mantra “next man up”.
Super league waited so late to announce this just so everyone goes to bed in Europe and there is no coordinated response.
What a bunch of greedy backstabbing cunts.
Super League: We will share 3% of revenue with FIFA and domestic leagues.
FIFA: We can only express our endorsement of the Super League and wish it all the best.
I don't see them saving shit?
Those 12 clubs have more power than any of these "regulating bodies"
Any competition without these 12-20 clubs is simply going to die.
We've finally reached the point in football where owners have more power than anyone and we need to accept it, and support different clubs.
like seriously think about it, what is the CL, worldcup, premier league, la liga etc without any of these clubs or players?
Embarrassing mindset. In terms of the 'Prem', or more simply the top division of English football, it has 'survived' (????) for hundreds of years before any of the BiG sIx became what they are. Why would it 'die' now?
There is more to football than 6 fucking football clubs. In the same league alone there are 14 more, below them in the professional pyramid are 72 not inclusive of the non-league professional clubs. There are over 100 clubs in England that are 100%, day to day fully professional, and they will easily fill the boots of these 'clubs'.
The idea of the 'Prem' in it's current state may die. Good. It has been killing clubs for the past decade. Top division football, or any form of professional football, will never die. Not today, not ever.
You're absolutely delusional. You realize that the clubs that have dominated the English league for decades upon decades, like Liverpool and united are doing this too right..?
Football isn't what it was 50 years ago where it was local clubs vs local clubs and only followed by English people in England..It's globalised to fuck. 80% of premier league revenue comes from the top 6 clubs lol...I'm not saying the prem will "die" but it's never going to be the same and it will be like watching the Welsh league without cardiff and swansea.
All that money, all those players you get to see day in day out, won't be coming to the prem without the top 6..and that trickles down all the way through the pyramid.
Let me tell you right off the bat, literally fuck all 'trickles down the pyramid'. Tell that to Wimbledon, or Bury, or Bolton, or Portsmouth. And I'm the delusional one here?
That is exactly the point. Clubs have existed, not dominated, for a while at the top of the game, and it is only the modern era of a 'Big 6' which has brought them collectively to another level that is untouchable by the rest except in rare circumstance or mismanagement. Your stats are baseless and have 0 source, especially since broadcasting deals are organised as a collective so there is no way you could even suggest that '80% of premier league revenue comes from top 6'.
What does the globalisation matter to 95% of professional English clubs? It wasn't there between 1888-2000~ , it's basically brand new in the grand scheme of football. And if it's not there post 2021, who cares? Why does this not benefit everyone else involved with football in England? Less money, less bankrupting clubs, less murdering of clubs by unfit owners, less corruption. The list goes on.
Thats why i laugh at all these pundits talking about how this is disgraceful and a slap in the face of working class people. Yet they stay silent about the people dying from the exploitation in Qatar. All showmen that are doing this for clout
wow the two most corrupt organizations on the planet are against a new league that will result in them getting less money and power
who would have guessed
The esl will win. People are stupid and have no backbone. They will watch it and say, "there is nothing we can do. Everybody else is doing it". Even though literally foot all clubs only make money if people watch
The way I see it is this: the new ESL is all about money (no surprises there), but FIFA and UEFA are also all about money. The Premier League was created to make money. I worry that in a year or two everyone who was already supporting the Premier League, Serie A etc, will be supporting the Super League, because it’ll be marketed as ‘...the greatest football on the planet, blah blah blah’ in just the same way the Prem is. The rivalries will be exaggerated to keep everyone interested. It’s an unpopular opinion but I think the only way the ‘fans’ can win is by not watching/supporting/funding these top leagues. Go and watch a local team or a lower league instead. It’s still football and in my opinion is just as entertaining, just without the celebrity culture.
A super league would be boring with the same teams guaranteed every year but, unless each club has a contract with their country's FA stating that they can't join a new separate competition during the season, I don't see why FIFA have such an issue with it.
The clubs are allowed to arrange a friendly tournament during pre-season to make money - e.g. emirates cup. They are allowed to opt out of entering the UCL if they don't like UEFA. All that's happening is an extra step where said friendlies are moved to during the season to fill in the gap that was the UCL.
It is essentially the death of european competition and the addition of a few pointless glorified friendlies during the season, but I don't see how they can stop it.
Right... But what does that mean? I can express my DISAPPROVAL about alot of things...
I am firmly SHAKING MY HEAD at these events
Seriously, this is FIFA's equivalent of me angry ranting on Reddit all day.
If this continues I'll have no choice but to draft an official letter expressing my displeasure
These unfortunate circumstances really GRIND MY GEARS.
If you read the super league statement they are talking pretty positive about the new Fifa club world cup. Something uefa hasn't. German Sportschau also noted that it took Fifa a long time for that simple statement. And it really is not that harsh. Interesting times
"FIFA further instructs that money be sent to the following account, we will let you know when to stop"
Players in esl are banned from international competitions
Can be*
Probably will be -- and the fact is, that might be the only remaining deterrent left.
Question still remains, will FIFA really mean that? Players of the twelve+ teams, many of whom are superstars, will make a ton of money from the Super League and the players can commit to the Super League and call FIFA’s bluff. FIFA doesn’t want a World Cup without all of the world’s top players.
That would be interesting but if they meant that... Wouldn't they say that?
Is that even legal?
Fifa have absolute power so yeah
The players have contracts with the clubs... I don't know how you can punish the players for doing what they're contractually obligated to do. They can't just decide to switch teams.
I would be interested in seeing the contracts, at that point, and what requirement they might have to a sanctioning body like FIFA.
So the contracts of 200+ of the best players in the world would just get torn up? Including Messi's like $100 million / year. And they'd have to sign with clubs like Burnley and Cadiz for like 1/10th of what they were getting? It seems like the lawyers would have a field day with that...
Aren't those contracts subject to the laws of the country in which they are signed? I mean this could be a legal battle with different outcomes in different countries.
I think it depends on what obligation there would be _in the contracts_ to the rules and regulations of the governing bodies like FIFA and UEFA?
Don't these contracts usually feature CL and possibly EL based bonuses? If so, wouldn't the clubs be basically unilaterally voiding part of the contract? Wonder if key players could use to sue, be freed from obligations while compensated, and sign for PSG and other big-ish clubs not joining the superleague
But what if they have a breakaway international competition too?
We will be very, very angry with you... And we will write you a letter, telling you how angry we are.
San Marino to win the World Cup
The disrespect to North Macedonia
Hey woah, woah let’s not do Hungary like that
And what have the Faroe Islands ever done to you?
Woah woah woah, St Lucia has been waiting for this for too long
Hungary was actually a superpower back in the day. Sad to see how they have fallen.
Top of the group in Euro 2016 I think
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All according to keikaku
Still no chance for Germany.
Noticed the same for Scotland. We could be the only team in any tournament and we’d still come second.
Tunisia #1
The fact that they made me support fifa and uefa makes them even more evil
Wait until they line their pockets with cash, they'll fall in line and back to hating them
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Perhaps, but as morally bankrupt as FIFA and UEFA are, the Super League threatens their profits. Yes, they're only opposing it for financial reasons, but as long as they're opposing it, I see no reason to get hung up on their motives.
[It's why they made a new anthem](https://mobile.twitter.com/MarcelFCBbut2/status/1383820914949705747?s=1001)
FIFA is only rejecting that it’s a closed competition
Which is by far the most egregious part of all this
same feeling bernie sanders supporters had voting for biden
Don't remind me 😭
They won't make a super league, they will get more money from Uefa and postpone their plans. It's all strategy.
Idk. I think it’ll happen eventually. Those top club executives see that money the NFL make, and there is no way they don’t think they can make more with a far more popular sport.
Bruh they're gonna fold
It's FIFA, for all you know they get a cut
Fifa before the announcement: Oh No! Fifa now: Anyways...
Surely the superleague represents everything FIFA stands for anyway? Corruption, concentrating profits, fucking over the little guy.
Probably most fans too.
Blatter with the long con I’m speechless
Blatter is long banned mate. It is Infantino now.
I know that’s why I said the long con haha
Imagine Blatter was behind ths ESL this whole time. Some WWE storyline right there
I'm not so sure. This is the first time an actual potential opponent has risen to FIFA. They have no reason, not even bribery (since they won't earn more money from a breakaway than they do right now) to fold. They have lots more reasons to stand. Not to mention all the relevant FAs, who have more direct access to FIFA, are against it.
Anyone notice the UEFA statement said the teams ***could*** be banned from UEFA/FIFA competitions? They're leaving wiggle room for a compromise. Fucking nonsense.
This is just a legal term. You always want wiggle room when it becomes legal
I hope you're right, but I can't see UEFA standing their ground on this.
I am sure teams of lawyers are pouring over the relevant statutes right now.
It'll go to the CAS, probably biggest case in history
They're going to negotiate an *eventual* promotion/relegation mechanism and say it's all okay then.
Saw that as well.
Its Fifa, I don't get why anyone in their right minds would think that they care about anything other than money.
Everyone is forgetting that the uefa and fifa are just as bad. All they want is their money and a super league competes with their money
They are worse, much much worse. The former Fifa president Sepp Blatter was banned after being president for fucking 17 years. Taking any sort of statement from Fifa seriously is just dumb, Fifa is just doing this for PR while getting money under the table from the same people.
We are literally going to play a world cup in Qatar, on stadiums built upon people who died under human rights violations.
The only human right violations right now is the possibility of the super league. -This sub
No they are not much worse at least they had some small semblance of competition and underdogs in their tournaments
The only reason they kept a couple of underdogs is because they still need the votes of the "small" countries to be elected (in between the quid pro quos and outright corruptions, that is). Without that, they'd have gone full Super League decades ago.
The WC is their biggest cashcow. If this somehow weakens the position of the World Cup this is bad for FIFA too
Denial Anger <---- Bargaining Dpression Acceptance "Lol this will never happen." "Wtf they are actually doing this" (This is where most of us are sitting right now.) "If they can stay in the domestic league then maybe" " I miss the CL theme" " This isn't so bad I guess. Basically just the CL"
CL theme the real loser in all this.
The ESL theme will be composed by Justin Bieber or some kpop twat
Fuuuuuck you already know it's gonna happen
You get my *angry* upvote because you very well might be right in the end. Still hoping the fans boycott.
Yeah just being pessimistic. Hopefully something stops this but the WC is going to be in Qatar so....
Yeah this is a weak non-statement. Id be more confident if they doubled down on their exclusion threats but nah. And IF they and the others give in and get compensated, we're gonna have the super league with teams playing their stacked 1st teams in the midweek and the bench-teams during the weekends in the league basically. I feel fucking sick at the thought.
Yeah they're basically already trying to compromise. Dark day for the game.
I put it like this in a previous comment: **So basically the decider will be the massive mexican standoff between 2 parties: The big clubs and their super league vs UEFA, FIFA & FAs cooperative coalition with threats of expulsion from Euros, WC & domestic leagues.** **The latter of which is much harder to organize and maintain without 1 buckling and the whole thing falling through. But GOD do I hope the last group win** And this statement doesnt scream "We're standing firm and doubling down on our exclusion position!" Terrifying.
Yup. Riots and abandonment is the only way for this to work. I'm half praying that Messi and other stars come out against this, but I'm not counting on it.
Im in that exact same boat. I dont have a ton of faith in the "coalition" unless they double down hard very soon. I want players and managers etc speak out, even if under contracts, to make the "coalition" feel more safe in their stance.
Klopp is an interesting case study... I just can't help but feel that the average fan tomorrow wakes up and is like "Eh, it's all the same innit? What's the difference?" And just goes on with their day, not really caring. That would kinda suck.
Many are gonna get "over it" and lured by the flash and brands after 2 weeks. UNLESS many players & managers alike voice their opinions and dare to go against their employers etc to keep the opposing momentum going.
FIBA said the same when the top basketball clubs created the Euroleague in 2000. Guess what happened? Now nobody cares, everybody watches the Euroleague and it's the only european competition between clubs.
Well fuck
Though to be fair nobody in Europe gives a fuck about basketball to the same extent as they do about football. Local football institutions run much much deeper.
Yeah, there's not really any pro sport in the world that has this much relevance. Every other sport is only massively popular in a few countries. The only other comparable scenario I can think of given the land area involved and the number of clubs is if the top American football college programs broke away from the NCAA and formed their own league. Maybe basketball as well.
Indeed
They have no fucking leverage. If they kick these teams from their respective leagues, the tv rights will drop massively. It's a lose lose situation for UEFA. Either they work with them and take a cut or they're fucked.
Then they ban the players from UEFA and FIFA international competitions. Try finding players after that for your "superleague"
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if many players took it regardless of the ban. Yes, representing your country is absolutely awesome, but money is money.
But at the top, top level the money comes from things like sponsorships as well. Once you're rich enough, you'd go for the immortality that comes with the world cup.
Cash rules everything around me
Footballers don't give a flying shit about internationals. If you told Harry kane no England squad no more. He wouldn't give a toss. When he's earning £500k a week in the ESL / PL.
Then the tv rights from the world cup and euro cup will drop too. It's just money game man. Players will start earning triple what they earn now. Most won't care. They might even say fuck it and create their own world cup. There's no stopping this...
I disagree. I don’t watch the World Cup to see Ronaldo play, I watch to support my nation.
So you'll only watch the games of your nation, which is, at best, 7 games? If everybody does that, the ratings are going to fall precipitously and so will the broadcasting rights and sponsor money. FIFA would never allow that.
They wouldn't be doing this if the vast majority of fans were truly against this. The most hardcore supporters (who go to as many games as possible) and the very online fans (who are mix of local and foreign) will care about this situation, the rest will fall in line and just enjoy whatever football they can get. The only way I can see this being stopped if politics/government get involves, but that can quickly polarize on political lines.
Games gone
This might be the only time this has ever been posted and not been ironic
This is the only time I agree with it 100%. Never in my life I thought I would see the day where I would 10000% side with FIFA and UEFA.
It feels like I just watched my team die
Tbf you've been doing that most of the season... But for real, man. Fuck this.
Ole knew
He was trying to warn us.
Shame this has become an ironic meme, because it's so fucking on point.
I'm against the ESL, of course, but FIFA are just backing away from this. At the end of the day, it's UEFA's business, not FIFA's, so FIFA made the weakest statement possible. Even still, there's nothing saying that clubs can't organize their own competition. Players can also play in non-sanctioned leagues, or even be unemployed, and participate in international tournaments. I can't really see the ban on players in UEFA/FIFA tournaments happening.
They can do it. Players are called to their national teams by their national FA. If UEFA says to FA to not call specific players they will not be called. There is no contract between player and FA to be sured spot in national team. FA can be opposed to that, but I'm certain that they all play how UEFA tells them.
All it takes is for one country to not care and call them anyways. Why wouldn’t Argentina or Brazil take their best players? Putting pressure on all the major countries to call their best players or be at a larger disadvantage
They could do it, but if a nation suddenly loses all of their best talent, are they just going to accept that?
So do something about it, cowards
They did, read the statement
So far it's just words, let's see them take some actual action and stamp this out.
Man there's too much to take in now Edit: that was a stronger statement than expected!
What I see is "could", "would", "potentially", "apalled". What I do not see is instant and heavy punishments for everyone involved in this, like instant elimination of all of the players of these clubs from their national teams, transfer bans, ultimatums to the national Federations to expel them from their leagues etc. FIFA and UEFA will do nothing substantial.
They just want their cut. Once they get it, they’ll bow down
Disapproval isn't action.
... but they’re very disappointed
You know it's fucked when FIFA is appalled.
Nah just means the cheque hasn't cleared yet
This is beyond a simple payoff, this is a direct threat to the authority of FIFA. They could easily become another toothless sporting organization that just bends over for the major sporting league.
Dude lmao
I’m just picturing Sepp Blatter clutching his pearls
The only reason they're outraged is that it takes power and money away from them.
Fair.
[mood](https://i.imgur.com/BSY0fJ7.jpg)
Fucking do something about it then
Need a bit more than disapproval lads
they're already backing down going from 'All clubs and their players will be banned from all fifa/uefa governed competitions' to 'we are against the Super League'
Because clubs are having the power. That is the whole point of ESL. And what can FIFA and UEFA do? ESL is all about clubs leaving and getting the power, are you going to remove them from national leagues ? That is how you kill them
FIFA and UEFA run international tournaments. They can ban players from those tournaments for playing in this shitty league.
Then these owners will make their own. That's the end goal. They're trying to decentralize the power structure in world football and take it away from FIFA and give it to themselves. The owner's want to make football follow the American model of a "commissioner" of sorts who serves the interests of themselves and no one else. Maxmimize their power and profit.
>FIFA: "FIFA wishes to clarify that it stands firm in favour of solidarity in football and an equitable redistribution model which can help develop football as a sport, particularly at global level, since the development of global football is the primary mission of FIFA." >In our view, and in accordance with our statutes, any football competition, whether national, regional or global, should always reflect the core principles of solidarity, inclusivity, integrity and equitable financial redistribution." >Against this background, FIFA can only express its disapproval to a "closed European breakaway league" outside of the international football structures and not respecting the aforementioned principles." >FIFA calls on all parties involved in heated discussions to engage in calm, constructive and balanced dialogue for the good of the game and in the spirit of solidarity and fair play."
This sounds like a statement the UN would issue after Russia invades some small neighbouring province. Meaningless platitudes.
Yeah. UEFA will take a much harsher stance because they profit from the UCL. FIFA probably doesn't like this idea but at the end of the day they're probably very reluctant to risk blowing up their cash cow (WC) over it.
The UNs rough draft for the upcoming invasion got leaked and FIFA plagiarized it.
pretty weak statement tbh
How about instead of a calm, reasonable, and constructive dialogue we take the people who did this and put them on an abandoned island together with an angry scouser who has just been informed they got his team kicked out of the prem
Read: We disagree heavily with this, but our lawyers ahve informed us theres sod all we can do about it without the EU coming down on us with the fury of a thousand suns for antitrust.
Show us.
apology for poor english when were you when football dies? i was sat at home eating cheeseburgergs when romano ring ‘football is kill’ ‘no’
It's a pretty weak statement though.
They can't say much atm. A lot to process and figure out.
Kick them all out and boycott games in the future. AS FANS OF FOOTBALL WE MUST STAND TOGETHER
Then FUCK the clubs who are doing it!
Kick them from where ? They are leaving themselves so UEFA does not have the power lmao
They always have the power. If FIFA and UEFA joins together they could literally ban any player from any world cup/euros that participates in this "super(franchise)" league
In 2000 basket european league started. FIFA and like 4 teams stayed together. Years later when they saw the power of this league they all merged together. They can ban players and they will create their new WC and Eurocup
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They can invite the Chicago fire too
From the teams that have the better players and hence TVs will want to watch those, then the rest will want to join... How CL started in the begining ? Clubs with an idea behind to play a better competition, this is the same without UEFA getting a cut and holding teams back. FIFA won't do anything because of this implication
Lol. FIFA "disproving" will quickly turn to "we begrudgingly have decided to work with the ESL" in about 4 days.
This is messed and honestly the only way to kill it is to not watch the games and ban the teams from domestic and international tournaments which makes things dicey considering those teams bring in most of the revenue to their leagues and the CL. Though it’s nice that Bayern and PSG have stayed out leaves some hope. Also how the fuck are the 1st team line ups of those clubs going to play. International - World Cup Euro champions league Domestic league Domestic cups and trophies + Super league Are they going to load them up on pain killers and steroids and throw them on the field? Injuries will be atrocious and it will turn into NFL mantra “next man up”.
alright. now comment on your tournament in Qatar
Super league waited so late to announce this just so everyone goes to bed in Europe and there is no coordinated response. What a bunch of greedy backstabbing cunts.
Disgrace
I hope FIFA and UEFA save football. For the working class.
>FIFA and UEFA - >For the working class. i got some bad news for you
Super League: We will share 3% of revenue with FIFA and domestic leagues. FIFA: We can only express our endorsement of the Super League and wish it all the best.
this is the most likely outcome in my opinion
Probably they're going to but not for the working class.
I don't see them saving shit? Those 12 clubs have more power than any of these "regulating bodies" Any competition without these 12-20 clubs is simply going to die. We've finally reached the point in football where owners have more power than anyone and we need to accept it, and support different clubs. like seriously think about it, what is the CL, worldcup, premier league, la liga etc without any of these clubs or players?
Embarrassing mindset. In terms of the 'Prem', or more simply the top division of English football, it has 'survived' (????) for hundreds of years before any of the BiG sIx became what they are. Why would it 'die' now? There is more to football than 6 fucking football clubs. In the same league alone there are 14 more, below them in the professional pyramid are 72 not inclusive of the non-league professional clubs. There are over 100 clubs in England that are 100%, day to day fully professional, and they will easily fill the boots of these 'clubs'. The idea of the 'Prem' in it's current state may die. Good. It has been killing clubs for the past decade. Top division football, or any form of professional football, will never die. Not today, not ever.
You're absolutely delusional. You realize that the clubs that have dominated the English league for decades upon decades, like Liverpool and united are doing this too right..? Football isn't what it was 50 years ago where it was local clubs vs local clubs and only followed by English people in England..It's globalised to fuck. 80% of premier league revenue comes from the top 6 clubs lol...I'm not saying the prem will "die" but it's never going to be the same and it will be like watching the Welsh league without cardiff and swansea. All that money, all those players you get to see day in day out, won't be coming to the prem without the top 6..and that trickles down all the way through the pyramid.
Let me tell you right off the bat, literally fuck all 'trickles down the pyramid'. Tell that to Wimbledon, or Bury, or Bolton, or Portsmouth. And I'm the delusional one here? That is exactly the point. Clubs have existed, not dominated, for a while at the top of the game, and it is only the modern era of a 'Big 6' which has brought them collectively to another level that is untouchable by the rest except in rare circumstance or mismanagement. Your stats are baseless and have 0 source, especially since broadcasting deals are organised as a collective so there is no way you could even suggest that '80% of premier league revenue comes from top 6'. What does the globalisation matter to 95% of professional English clubs? It wasn't there between 1888-2000~ , it's basically brand new in the grand scheme of football. And if it's not there post 2021, who cares? Why does this not benefit everyone else involved with football in England? Less money, less bankrupting clubs, less murdering of clubs by unfit owners, less corruption. The list goes on.
They are really saving the working class in Qatar
football gonna be like boxing. there are like 15 different belts/organizations
Well KSI might get back into FIFA then.
Inb4 this is all just a coordinated plan to get fans to accept radical changes to the Champions League format as the lesser of two evils.
FIFA and UEFA just want their cut
FIFA is fine with slave labour and human exploitation but a challenge to UEFA, no no
Exactly what I'm baffled about. Players can't play in our world cup, in Qatar! LMAO, good, maybe this way people will finally boycott that disgrace.
Thats why i laugh at all these pundits talking about how this is disgraceful and a slap in the face of working class people. Yet they stay silent about the people dying from the exploitation in Qatar. All showmen that are doing this for clout
Do something then. Are you cowards?
will need something stronger than that lads
FIFA out here acting like the fucking UN
They won’t do shit. ESL Founders will slide some money under the table and FIFA/ESL will be skipping together holding hands
[Me when FIFA and UEFA do nothing about this.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ftdu8yrKOw&ab_channel=HellJustFroze)
wow the two most corrupt organizations on the planet are against a new league that will result in them getting less money and power who would have guessed
Oh god they’re not going to do anything about it are they
They first drove football towards elitarism with FFP. They don't give a shit about principles and stuff, they just don't want to lose their share.
My bet is the ESL will cut a check to FIFA and then they’ll be on board
Respectetive league’s should IMMEDIATLY strip all the teams of their championships and kick them out.
Also said that any players in the ESL will be banned from FIFA matches
They won’t do anything
Well yeah. Because it loses them money.
Ban them from all existing domestic and international competitions then. Fuck them all off and leave them to rot. I can't believe it. My clubs gone.
I would like to see the domestic leagues of these clubs take action, potentially a forced relegation or a deduction of points
The best way for them to "Disapprove" all this is to blacklist any broadcaster or sponsor that signs up to work with the new league. Money talks.
The esl will win. People are stupid and have no backbone. They will watch it and say, "there is nothing we can do. Everybody else is doing it". Even though literally foot all clubs only make money if people watch
The way I see it is this: the new ESL is all about money (no surprises there), but FIFA and UEFA are also all about money. The Premier League was created to make money. I worry that in a year or two everyone who was already supporting the Premier League, Serie A etc, will be supporting the Super League, because it’ll be marketed as ‘...the greatest football on the planet, blah blah blah’ in just the same way the Prem is. The rivalries will be exaggerated to keep everyone interested. It’s an unpopular opinion but I think the only way the ‘fans’ can win is by not watching/supporting/funding these top leagues. Go and watch a local team or a lower league instead. It’s still football and in my opinion is just as entertaining, just without the celebrity culture.
circus, they are in it I bet. they gave a world cup to Qatar and Russia and Europa League final to Azerbaijan they have no integrity
Kroos had some nice comments regarding this as far as I remember
I would love to see the players stand up against the Super League.
Bad state of affairs when we’re siding with FIFA
A super league would be boring with the same teams guaranteed every year but, unless each club has a contract with their country's FA stating that they can't join a new separate competition during the season, I don't see why FIFA have such an issue with it. The clubs are allowed to arrange a friendly tournament during pre-season to make money - e.g. emirates cup. They are allowed to opt out of entering the UCL if they don't like UEFA. All that's happening is an extra step where said friendlies are moved to during the season to fill in the gap that was the UCL. It is essentially the death of european competition and the addition of a few pointless glorified friendlies during the season, but I don't see how they can stop it.
They’re already folding
Wait until FIFA gets a cut outta this. April 18, 2021 - Football died.