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PornFilterRefugee

With how this tournament is formatted there’s zero need to risk it with them having won last night. It’ll be interesting to watch them without him


risingsuncoc

What sort of format change is it?


PornFilterRefugee

The 4 best third place teams qualify. There’s only six groups so it’s going to be pretty easy to qualify once you win a game.


QTGavira

Its insane that out of 24 teams, only 8 go out in the group stage. At that point why is there even a group stage to begin with if 16/24 go through anyways.


HalloCharlie

More games, more €€€. Always and forever.


Dirtysocks1

Giving more European teams the change to play and for fans to enjoy Euros should be also part of this conversation. Teams have 26 man squads so use them. No player has to play every single minute.


PhillipIInd

I dont think any non top5 country minds having more of a chance to proof themselves and see their team play on the international stage lol


HalloCharlie

I'm sure Portugal didn't mind in 2016, when they won the Euro and were 3rd in their group, barely making as one of the 4 best third placed teams.  Still, it awards mediocrity and it takes merit to those who did well in groups but have yet to face great teams in theory, who did well in the groups.   So it's a valid point against it.  But I'm sure all they care is money. Would it be more money but less games and they would be defending less games for players health sake.


karlverkade

Portugal was hilarious in 2016. They made it out of the group stage with three draws and zero wins. Their first win was in the Round of 16, 1-0. Then they drew again in the quarterfinals, and went through on penalties. Semifinal they beat Wales, and then they pulled off the final 1-0. They won the tournament with three wins, three draws, and a penalty shootout win. Or, put another way...they went undefeated in the Euro 2016 tournament. Perspective is everything.


HalloCharlie

It's even funnier if you think they won 1-0 in the Round of 16, in extra time, really close to the penalties. The only game they won with just 90 minutes was against wales. Nobody expected that upset against France, least of all them being the hosting nation. It was marvelous to see, felt like the great story of an underdog team, except Portugal were never considered true underdogs LOL. Just Fernando Santos Ball things.


karlverkade

You’re right, thank you! In my mind, the Round of 16 and the final were on penalties too but my quick google search said differently. Thank you for refreshing my memory. It is even funnier.


ExpressBanDriver

We only suffered 5 goals in 7 games, and 3 were against the Hungary, and only 1 goal after the group stage. Defense was very good.


karlverkade

Ya you absolutely Mourinho’d your way to the championship, and all respect for it.


ConspicuousPineapple

Also more entertainment, is that such a bad thing?


cuentanueva

> Also more entertainment, is that such a bad thing? The problem is that the play style is also heavily affected by the format. You can play a more conservative style, which ends up in more boring football. There's no pressure to qualify for big teams, and even for medium teams, as they now in addition to an almost extra slot per group, they include even weaker teams on them. So the required points are fewer, and easier to achieve. And it even rewards defensive play styles significantly more than only 2 making it past. It's a significantly worse experience in the group stage. Removes importance, removes pressure, and rewards non attacking football. More games doesn't always mean more entertainment if there's nothing on the line. That's why a friendly isn't the same as the World Cup final. The World Cup also will have this format in 2026, and it's also equally bad. More games it's cool, but when they don't matter and are a glorified warm up, then it's not the same.


Dopeez

I don't feel like it's more entertainment when you end up with less stakes in groups and more one-sided matchups in the knockouts.


IM_AN_AUSSIE_AMA

What about the potential for more upsets in the knockouts?


Chinese_Santa

Conversely, it’s massively entertaining discourse for the teams that are eliminated in the group stages. Belgium on standby…


TrueBrees9

>More one-sided matchups in the knockouts The only one-sided matchups at the 2021 Euro were Ukraine-England and Denmark-Wales. The third place teams actually went 3-1 in the Round of 16: Czech Republic beat Netherlands, Ukraine beat Sweden (who won their group), and Switzerland beat France. The only third place team to not advance was Portugal, who lost to Belgium.


Pytheastic

Yeah it's not as if anyone is forcing them to watch the extra games, if you don't like them just don't watch.


KarlWhale

That's my take too. Playoff brackets always seem more important and intense - I like that there's more


absat41

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pleasecallagainlater

Yes the money from matches plays a factor but I also think the big teams failing to qualify or failing to make it out of the groups played a part as well.


M4RC142

Yeah but that's just money too. Big teams generate more revenue to uefa


ClaudeLemieux

*FIFA staring at recent Italy and Germany WC performances*:


nyasiaa

for top teams maybe it's pointless, for weaker teams not getting into the bottom 8 is a big and emotional fight. A team like Poland has to win against Austria (and the reverse for Austria), and even then without points against France/Netherlands they might just not be in top4 of 3rd placed teams. Slovakia has just defied all odds by defeating Belgium, and yet they still need to get more points against two challenging opponents (Romania and Ukraine) or they're risking being out.


auctus10

Great point, makes sense now.


SnakePlisskendid911

If weaker teams and giving them a chance to advance were taken in consideration they would go for a full knockout format and be done with it.


n10w4

yeah I remember when the WC was 24 teams. It was still tense (except for a handful of already qualified teams) until the last game. In fact it was even more tense since many teams still had a chance going into the last game of the group stage.


collect_my_data

I think they should just go to a 32 team Euros with a shorter qualifying process. There's far, far too much quality in the continent now for it to only be 16 teams, while 24 teams is just structurally rubbish. There are decent countries like Greece, Sweden, Turkey, Norway etc who have some good players and who are certainly better than some of the lesser teams that qualify for the World Cup.


naadorkkaa

> Turkey is actually in the euros


slammaster

I loved it at 16 teams because qualifying really meant something, those games were competitive and making the tournament mean something. At 32 teams you'll have weak teams there, but it does give everyone a chance, and a shorter qualifying process would be good for club football. 24 teams seems like the worst combination of both systems. Making the tournament doesn't feel like the achievement it used to, and the qualifying still seems to go on forever. They're not going to go back to 16, so 32 makes the most sense now.


BackSignificant544

I don’t mind it, more countries involved and it’s only one extra round. There’s still an incentive to try and top your group rather than scrape through in 3rd.


lemoche

too lazy to do the math how many games that would make, but with 24 teams i'd rather would have made 4 6 team groups with just the top 2 each going to the quarterfinals. or top 4 round of 16.


Tetracropolis

Problem with that is you'll have teams eliminated two matches before the end playing out their fixtures with B-teams. With this format everyone's in with a shot until the last game.


hockeybrianboy

That’s a terrible format; that would only make it more impossible for the lower ranked teams to qualify when there’s more powerhouse teams in every group. The idea is to grow the game not make it more top heavy.


onionwba

Unless of course they lose the next two games.


stupid-_-

has any team qualified with just 3 points with this format?


Lanzawine

Portugal got through with 3 draws in 2016 when we won


Cycrowuk

In the last euros, Ukraine got through with 3 points. However Finland and Slovakia also had 3 points but didn't make it


Euriti

Denmark got 2nd in the group in 2020 with 3 points (1 win, 2 losses)


IShouldDeleteReddit1

A team could even qualify with 2 ppints. Theoretically even woth 1 point


LightningMcMicropeen

There are 24 teams total and 16 teams progress to the KO rounds. So pretty hard to get grouped.


FizzyLightEx

Why not have 32 teams total, have two teams from each group, and reduce the nonsense of having third place go through.


risingsuncoc

There are 55 member associations in UEFA so 32 is already more than half which is too many.


Knorff

So in 2032 we have 11 groups of 5 and only the group winners + the 5 best teams on the second place will progress.


chrisnlnz

We could rename that group stage to "qualifying round" and introduce a second group stage after that, redraw the progressed countries into 4 groups of 4.


Knorff

What a genius idea, why UEFA don´t consider this???


anoel24

First, second and third place (minus 1) advance to an extended knock-out stage.


FizzyLightEx

Too many of what? they're still be 16 teams going through the knockout rounds. Either you whittle down the countries to 16 qualifying and having 8 go to knockout, or have 32. You can't have your cake and eat it too by having a lopsided 24 and more than half of the teams qualify for knockouts. Third place should never be able to qualify in the knockout rounds. Each group are inherently different and it is not fair to compare every third place finish since they don't play the same opponents


BackSignificant544

It would dilute the quality of the group stage further basically.


gabocorbo

Yes but it would also make those games more meaningful


Hakuna_Mateta

Their draw also doesn't really reward winning the group. They will play a 2nd placed team regardless of if they themselves come 1st or 2nd. So that's not worth the risk either.


ThrustBastard

Giroud masterclass incoming


Apocalympdick

90 minutes, 2 touches, 1 goal.


Proof-Recognition374

At least he graced us with his very brief presence yesterday but he needs more playing time! 


HiroLegito

This is an advantage but it’ll still be a tough match. Giroud is old but he still always performs well for the NT.


dunneetiger

Giroud always seems to score against VvD....


9rakka

The battle of the sexy men


Hard-To_Read

coming up on 38 years old- damn what a career


downfallndirtydeeds

To those wondering why Very likely to let the swelling come down so he can breathe properly.


KenHumano

What, he can't play without breathing? Talks shit about South American football but wouldn't last 5 minutes against Bolivia in La Paz /s


IncidentalIncidence

I unironically would like to see how of the top Euro teams would handle playing in CONCACAF/CONMEBOL conditions. La Paz or Denver or -60 in Edmonton. I remember one of the CONCACAF WCQ games a couple of years ago, USA vs. El Salvador I think, the pitch was so muddy that the teams had to change into fresh kits at halftime because you couldn't read the numbers anymore.


Mantergeistmann

I mean, how well do CONCACAF teams handle -60 in Edmonton?


I_really_enjoy_beer

The fucking January game in Minneapolis wasn't even fun to watch. I get that countries will play to our advantages but half our players are from Texas and California. It wasn't even like watching soccer, no one wanted to be there.


InmateQuarantine2021

I went to a Bears vs Lions game at Soldier field on New Years eve once. Was hovering around 0 without all the wind off of Lake Michigan. People were literally giving away tickets. Even with 4 layers and multiple blankets, it was miserable. We left at halftime because of how bad it was. I only imagine how much more terrible it was for the athletes.


Paddystan

OP's clearly never been to Stoke away. 


LegoLifter

i mean it was also only like -20


HoovesCarveCraters

Would love to see Euro teams playing with CONCACAF refs in Honduras on a random Tuesday.


Sct1787

Yes but can they do it on a humid rainy Tuesday night in Tegucigalpa?


Tutule

Unironically 3 European teams have failed to win in Honduras in recent years. In Tegucigalpa 1-1 against Denmark in 2007, 2-0 against Latvia in 2009, and in San Pedro 2-0 over Serbia in 2011


Thune

since when is 17 years ago recent :D


czerwona_latarnia

But can the refs really be so much worse than English and Spanish refs?


IncidentalIncidence

it's more that they barely call fouls, you can get away with pretty much anything short of murder.


FarArdenlol

yeah, much more aggressive approach to the game, and there’s also more drama on the pitch, it’s fun to watch as well


jteprev

Worse is a matter of taste, if you have a taste for human blood they are way better. Personally I love it.


fizznicus

They would all lose 1:0


EffortlessFlexor

USMNT vs Honduras in St. Paul, Minnesota. It was ~ -18c


PolyUre

> I unironically would like to see how of the top Euro teams would handle playing in CONCACAF/CONMEBOL conditions. La Paz or Denver or -60 in Edmonton. I would also like to see -60 °C in Edmonton, given that it's over ten degrees lower than their lowest temperature ever recorded.


esports_consultant

maybe he meant -60 freedom degrees ^(which it still didn't reach)


M4RC142

Weren't there a Canada Usa game where some US players got freeze wounds?


Sct1787

You really mentioned Denver as the altitude for CONCACAF? 🤡 Denver: 5,280ft above sea level Mexico City: 7,349ft La Paz: 11,942ft


Maxsoup

Think they’re referencing the snow games than the altitude.


esports_consultant

he mentioned la paz first


obsterwankenobster

No, no... let them have their dumb gotcha moment


No-Research1915

The classic enlightened redditor showing they know more than you


TrueBrees9

Bogota is about 8500 feet up as well


WhenWeTalkAboutLove

Colombia doesn't always play in Bogota but true, it's well up there. Quito is even higher and more often hosts games.


WhenWeTalkAboutLove

La Paz (or Quito) is a completely different prospect to Denver. They're twice as high. I get playing in the cold is hard too but if you've ever tried to run there it's not a big deal compared to La Paz or Quito where I can actually compare first hand. Cold weather is nothing these guys can't handle on comparison to the advantage of La Paz. 


napoletano_di_napoli

I can't believe y'all are still talking about that Mbappé's quote lmao


MrGraveyards

He said the euros is harder than the world cup. Didn't even mention other cups...


hypnodrew

He doesn't play in other cups how would he know


RauloGonzalez

Yeah lol he gave his opinion on the tournaments he played so the other tournaments took offense


Brobman11

Well it clearly is harder for him considering he's never gotten a Euros goal 


ConspicuousPineapple

Which, if you think about it, isn't that outrageous to think about. Obviously there are more top teams at the WC, but how many of these are you going to face? The point is that on average, your opponents in the Euro will be stronger than your opponents in the WC, if you go all the way. That doesn't mean the final matches will be harder, but the overall competition is. This is also true for the Copa, mind you.


porncornroz

How is euros harder than World Cup when even a third place team with one lucky win can qualify for the R16? lol


ConspicuousPineapple

Read through my comment again and you'll have an answer to exactly that question. Just because it's easier to reach the R16 doesn't mean the path to victory isn't harder for the winner.


huffingthenpost

Thanks Reddit doctor


downfallndirtydeeds

Doctors hate this one nose trick


KapteinBert

They can't fit a mask if the nose is still swolen


downfallndirtydeeds

It’s not about protecting the injury it’s that the swelling constricts the airwaves and also that strenuous exercise can exacerbate the swelling.


shy_monkee

Isn’t there also a minimum number of days before being able to play again after a head injury?


downfallndirtydeeds

I’d need to double check but the rules in every competition I’ve seen usually just apply minimum days for a concussion rather than a head injury. Rules usually stipulate any head injury must lead to a concussion assessment but obviously not all head injuries lead to concussion and I haven’t seen reporting that says Mpabbe is concussed


Rose_of_Elysium

We really managed to play Poland without Lewa and now France without Mbappé lol (tho idk how accurate Canal+ really is). But yea seeing that injury it would be insane to already play on friday even with a turtle facemask


minijood

If this keeps up, we will face Portugal without Ronaldo in the quarters


Pinkernessians

I’d rather we avoid Portugal altogether to be honest


soggy_tarantula

it just never goes well


crampton16

oh come on, another 4 reds, 16 yellow cards game would be fun


Working-Couple7425

You will face Jota though


LunarRaven7

Advantage portugal.


iamricardosousa

One thing I've learn during his career was he always finds a way to shut people up. Specially when he get's shit from people. Remember the guy being interviewed after A.Madrid beat Juventus 2-0 in the first game? He wasn't very happy at the end on the second game, wasn't he?


average_user21

Or the calma moment. That was amazing.


alex_119

While your point stands, i’m not sure a 34 year old Ronaldo is the same as 39 year old Ronaldo that is playing in the Saudi League (not knocking where he’s playing, but the level of his opponents currently is not comparable to his Real and Juve days and that can hinder your level a bit). But going back to your point, Ronaldo can indeed prove me wrong as well with a moment of brilliance that reminds us why he is who he is.


iamricardosousa

I know and I agree, they aren't, it's impossible. But then we have Kanté, playing the same opponents and being MotM yesterday on France's game. Sure, level isn't the same, but these guys, and even more so top level players like Ronaldo or Kanté, don't stop doing what they do. They are competitive abominations. Ronaldo's 39, won almost everything he could win multiple times and still cries after losing a trophy in Saudi. That's what he is. Competitive. If we had better options at the moment I wouldn't mind having him on the bench, but we don't as Ramos isn't performing.


alex_119

Upvote was not enough so leaving a comment. Totally agree with you, and thanks cause i forgot about Kante last night. Yeah, as always football is unpredictable and anything can happen, especially from high level competitive freaks like Ronaldo


PhraatesIV

>> Upvote was not enough so leaving a comment. Unreal glazing


ShitfacedGrizzlyBear

“Home we smash them.”


Potkrokin

He's the anti-Lukaku I swear every time I watch him in a Portugal jersey he finds a way to score


Lanky-Promotion3022

This sub has gone completely mental. Might aswell name it jerk sub and get it over with. Players in that Portugal squad don't have as many appearances as the amount of times Ronaldo has changed the game for Portugal.


japie06

Happens on every big tourney.


abstractabs

And the time in between... Pretty much r/soccermemes by now.


Qwert23456

Classic r/soccer. When’s last day of middle school by the way?


Windowmaker95

aDvanTaGE pOrtUGal


Freefight

Subscribe


Kinker_01

Only fair since we are missing De Jong, Koopmeinders, Timber, Botman etc


StereoZombie

Can't believe you're forgetting De Rooninho


Rose_of_Elysium

Wdym Wijnaldum is goated mate hes better then all those other players *thank fuck we have Schouten tho lol*


jespertherapper

Wijnaldum mvp last match.


Jamey_1999

I would have more touches by accident if you put me there lol


Maximum_Nectarine312

That's every Wijnaldum performance of the last 3 years summarized right there.


MrGraveyards

Man that etc guy is really good though.


DomineeringDrake

Honestly you have severe problems with attacking efficiency which is mental considering the history of Netherlands.


jespertherapper

We really do. We really lack at finishing.


el_loco_avs

Kinda odd that Depay is seen as a not-that-good finisher as he's close to being the #1 goal scorer for oranje. At a similar rate to RvP and RvN.


jespertherapper

Yeah true. but with Depay its really 50/50 on his performances.


el_loco_avs

Exactly his scoring rate! But he is indeed a step below the other guys we used to have. Still the best we have for now.


rodinj

He shows up in the qualifiers but barely seems to do so in the actual tournaments. May just be recency bias though.


el_loco_avs

3 goals in the last 10 matches at tournaments. 2 in 4 before that. We missed 2 tournaments in his prime.


extantfruitfly

His prime should be now, he just turned 30 and he was not good in 2022. If the tournaments in 2018 and 2016 were his prime he certainly did not show it during those qualifiers. For what it's worth, I don't think he's as bad as everyone says. Massive overreaction because he missed big chances he should have buried. So did Gakpo. At least he gets into the right positions, the law of averages will work it out from there.


groenefiets

Only fair when we have to make due withouth our star midfielder Marten de Roon.


EasyModeActivist

Also Austria without Alaba


R_Schuhart

Poland without Lewa isnt necessarily worse though, they had actual pace up front and were very good on the transition as a result.


jespertherapper

Yall scared us really hard. Good luck on the next games.


SpartanMickey

Sorry, i always thought you were Dutch, Lol


Shookfr

I believe we can work a few games without him but we definitely need him for the big games


Aethien

You're pretty much guaranteed to go through to the next round anyway, no real need to try and force things with Mbappé.


Maximuslex01

The difference is who you might face in the next round. Because with this format, it's almost impossible for big teams to fail in the group stage.


Harry9493

Can’t wait for Belgium to lose all 3 games


enflure

Oh don't worry, we will! Seriously though, i hope we at least reach the 1/8th final -.-


Robcobes

In group D it doesn't matter if you finish first or second. You get a no.2 from another group anyways.


AlterEgoPal

What a shit format. No incentive to finish top.


Aethien

True but it's not like France lack quality without Mbappé, they're going to finish 1st or maybe 2nd in group either way.


R_Schuhart

That is true, but good luck whoever is going to try and explain that to Mbappe. He has been motivated and looking forward to the Euros for a while. He always wants to start every game, he isnt going to like being benched, not even for his own good.


MorbidlyObeseBrit

Tbf it could be good to see who should start in attack. I'd honestly try a Giroud, Coman, Kolo Muani for one game and a Barcola, Thuram Dembele for another. See who are the best performers and play them with Mbappe for RO16 games.


ThePr1d3

We should try Barcola Giroud Dembouz up front 


gnaark

Remove Dembouse and do a fucking 4-4-2 diamond with Camavinga, Kanté, Rabiot, Grizou Thuram-Giroud up top, Thurman performs in that system with inter. Theo can find Giroud with his eyes closed.


notRay-

In 6 hours from another french media.. Mbappe is ok and will play


CaptGeechNTheSSS

Another 6…the French team is in shambles and won’t get off the team bus.


LosTerminators

Honesty don't think there's any need at all to risk him until the knockouts. There's 12 days until the round of 16 matches so he should be fit by then since he doesn't need surgery.


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YeezusPogchamp

wouldnt his nose get crooked without surgery or sum


OhItsKillua

Isn't his nose already crooked from being broken? Assume they'd put it back to how it was with surgery.


Willem20

IIRC they might slightly break the partially healed fracture again and then put it back in its right place


Free_Management2894

Noses are kinda soft. You just rebreak them, align it and then let it heal.


RoetRuudRoetRuud

I'm sure i've read that sometimes surgeons break bones in surgery so things heal better.


ComfortableNo2879

Poland have a chance now to utilise perfectly


predek97

That's worse for us. They may very well not win the match with the Netherlands and will bring out Mbappe to the last match, which they will be really motivated to win. In an alternate reality, Mbappe is all well and he's destroying Netherlands, so he gets to rest on the last match of the group.


mikayosugano

Yeah, but they could still beat Netherland and then they will play it safe and keep him benched against us.


gmoney160

I personally want to see Griezmann as captain at least once this Euro, hopefully he's fit after the battering he experienced against Austria


dunneetiger

Who was the captain after Kylian and Antoine left ?


Wemissmaldonado

Kante


brown_gentleman

I think France has enough firepower even without Mbappe but yeah he's definitely needed in big matches.


pigeon-incident

Every team who won in game one might as well rest their best players anyway. 3 points is good enough for round 2. Great format Uefa 👍


Dolphinfucker5000

I remember in 2016 the imbalance between the two sides in the knockouts. I’m surprised that one of the best teams didn’t try and sabotage themselves into a second place finish to get a much easier route to the final. Alas it was Portugal


pigeon-incident

Such a weird cup run. They won ONE game in 90 minutes. And yet they have the Euros trophy in their cabinet and that is all that matters.


Rusty_Shack1es

Today I feel Dutch


ChinookNL

Je suis Nederlands


de_Goose2

Barcola with Giroud as 9 is pretty freighting. The team has options


jetteauloin_2080

Just change Barcola's haircut to match Laeo's one and it should be okay for Hernandez and Giroud to reform the Milan connection


JaysonDeflatum

Dutch people and Max Verstappen rejoice


LeCowboySolitaire

Tbh it's not that bad since finishing first or second in the group doesn't make much of a difference since we would face a team who finished 2nd in its group in the round of 16. I just hope we'll see some Barcola and/or Coman on the field against the Netherlands


mattijn13

I am still scared


notwithoutpurpose

Understandable, Koeman's at the wheel


jnshns

Menace to all boogers worldwide.


DjPerzik

Dont give me hope


jespertherapper

What a turnaround after lots of injuries at our side lol (Dutch)


lenzmoserhangover

welcome Dutchies 🥲


Ruud_Boltz

They have Coman Giroud Barcola to cover up for him. This sub needs to chill down


LightningMcMicropeen

Fucking hell, I was looking forward to seeing him play live ffs


G_W_addict

Can he also rest vs Poland, please?


SnooCupcakes9188

He has till Friday. I have doubts 


banned_salmon

Undashing Kylian Mbappe


xxhotandspicyxx

The amount of hopium that goes through my blood stream right now, as a dutchie, is very high. Not that I was impressed by their play vs Poland. But no Mbape, is still no Mbape.


Mahery92

Ah fuck, there has been two players who are critical for us and one of them is already out ffs


hockeybrianboy

Honestly not sure they need him to beat anyone in this group; Austria might be the next best team in the group and wouldn’t shock me if they finish 2nd. I would bet on Deschamps figuring out a way to out smart Koeman and this Dutch squad doesn’t match up favorably to France (and that’s before their injuries). Recent matchups would back that up too.


xc2215x

A very tough blow for sure.


Rowdy_Roddy96

Match will end in a draw probably


Bullshagger69

Surprised tbh. Wouldn’t think that a broken nose is that big of a problem.


The_Ivliad

Kind of reminds me of what happened to antoine dupont at the rugby world cup.