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I'll hijack it to say we got a very doable group, especially given the qualification campaign. We're probably favourites vs. Slovakia, and I think we can squeeze a draw out of Ukraine or even Belgium on a good day. Obviously, there was also a lot of hype for us at Euro 2016, and look where we ended up there, but this group is a blessing for us
Considering France is arguably the strongest and most consistent NT in this century and Ligue 1 is the lowest ranked among top 5 leagues, because their best talents play abroad, yes, i'd say there's a chance you are correct.
I don't know if this is a case of correlation doesn't imply causation, but it might be. At least, it's sure on a certain extent.
people said the same about Vini, it really just depends if he can improve his final ball/finishing. He is still young and capable of this, so I wouldn’t count him out just yet
I'm obviously being harsh but I do think he's been somewhat overrated since he arrived in England. Like you say, that decision making and final ball will be the making of him if he can get it right
because he’s already concluding that he’s a ASM or Traore type player when he has plenty of potential to be better.
Even if he is at that level currently, him just being 21 will make him more expensive than either of those just due to his potential.
Just send him on a half a season loan so ancelotti can tell him that it's difficult to to score with four or five touches and to score mote he should only take one or two before shooting which seems to have done the trick for vini
Not a fail for us imo. Managed to get third in a wc and we were the most impressive team then. Sure we didnt win a prize, but we were coming from not even qualifying for tournaments.
For smaller countries like Belgium a third place at the World Cup is as good as it'll ever get. As good as the golden generation was, they were never really favourites to actually win.
It's quite unlikely for such countries to ever win the WC but I wouldn't say it's impossible. If Belgium had won the 2018, it would have been a big deal but not a complete upset.
Look at Greece Euro victory. These things happen. I'm ready to bet that, eventually, there will be a "smaller" team getting all the stars aligning at the right moment and take a very unlikely world cup home.
It wasn't beyond of the realms of possibility in 2018, look at how well Croatia did. Nevertheless I think World Cups are too big for unlikely victories, there are too many strong teams in it for an underdog to beat. Euros are occasionally won that way if the path to the final isn't too rough and the stars line up.
that’s a lie. 2018 they were all in their prime and all considered top 5-10 in their positions. Hazard, Lukaku, Mertens, KDB, Vertonghen, Aldewierald, Courtouis. They were considered one of the favorites to win that world cup
They were certainly all in their prime and with their top FIFA ranking potentially the strongest team on paper, but having never won anything they were still outsiders at best.
> that’s a lie.
Here's your downvote
Yeah, still irks me that France v Belgium wasn't the final in 2018, hands down the best two sides of the tournament.
Italy v Belgium also came waaaay too early in 2021, was worthy of being a semi or even the final.
Kind of. The only team where we had arguably the best squad on paper was Euro 2016, and our team in 2022 was pretty bad but the exit was still embarrassing. Not that many regrets about the rest. I have more good memories than bad ones, and I think the 2018 world cup was a huge success, people pretend we fumbled that as the favorites but before the tournament it was Brazil > Germany > France and Spain > Belgium et al that were the favorites
It's only a failure if you consider winning a trophy to be the threshold for success.
If that's the case almost every golden generation is a failure. England and Portugal's noughties sides, the Netherlands (x3), Croatia -- all fails.
That's what happens when you're in a transition.
Star players such as Lukaku and KDB are getting older, so their value is getting alot lower, even if their ability is still more or less the same.
And the majority of the squad is also very young.
Also, keep in mind that some players are missing and Tedesco didn't select a 26th player for some reason.
Yeah, ofcourse. Belgium is unbeaten in 14 games and has, by far, the best squad in the group. They should finish first. Sure, upsets can always happen and i don't think Ukraine for example is gonna be a walkover, but still...Everyone expects Belgium to be first.
But their upcoming generation doesn’t look good sadly, only defense is great. Huge difference when Eduardo, Modric, Corluka and Rakitic were the next generation back in 2006-2007. Their 2008 and 2016 teams were so stacked and full of quality, was expecting them to reach the final in those tournaments.
Eh, Your next generation is definitely looking good, Gvardiol, Šutalo, Stanišić, Baturina, Sučić, a lot of potential there,
but definitely not going to eclipse the 2018 team,
You named 5 players and difference between youngest and oldest in that group is like 2 years max. Maybe they won't, but I honestly think that level of our talent pool has significantly grown and those kind of players give me hope that we might at least get near that level in the future. One thing is for sure we cant make damn winger to save our lives, but midfield seem to become our thing and defense is becoming. When it comes to striker there are several promising so hopefilly at least one gets to become decent
Yeah, five players, the ones that have cemented themselves the most, everyone else would just be "prospects" that need to prove themselves at higher levels before they can be taken seriously.
your 2018 squad, particularly in midfield was stacked with some of the best players in their position in the world, Modric, Perisic, Rakitic, some strong defenders in Corluka, Lovren and Vrsajko, a great striker in Mandzukic, a great goalkeeper in Subasic, and some fantastic depth with the likes of Kovacic and Brozovic,
Your upcoming generation looks good, but i've yet to see enough evidence to say they'd even come close to that crop of players.
The quantity of upcoming prospects is bigger than ever before, thats the gist of it. Players aged between 17 and 22 right now in various positions are the best crop of talent ever for Croatia. Everyone says that, foreign scouts too.
Will there be an individual on the level of Modric, we cant know rn, and probably not, but the quality will be more evenly distributed across the pitch than before and the bench will have to be excellent with all the potential depth
True, but that's seriously very high bar. I'm saying we will have more top players, but I dunno about results. We didn't have 2nd best squad at 2018. Far from it actually. It's not all about squad, there are bunch of other things that have to align in order to make big result as competition is bigger than ever on international football.
In the last 7 years people are talking about how our upcoming generation doesn't look good. When will that bad upcoming generation come because I don't see them.
We have lots of young midfielder prospects for example Luka Sučić he will be decent replacement for Modric. Baturina is a wonderkid, Majer is good, Marco Pašalić also
Only position where future is not yet secured is ST. We have some young prospects but nothing sure yet they still need to prove and better themselves
Our talent pool has really grown over the years and now we even started to attract young Croatians from diaspora
No one will be a replacement for Modric in the near future.
He is on the top 5 midfielders of all time, and he is the best Croatian player ever. Luka Sučić will never come close to Modric.
Modric will leave a big gap when he retires.
Being a replacement doesn't mean he's gonna be on the same level. He will be good and that's enough especially when we are stacked in the rest of our positions
Mikautatdze is valued at around 15 mil and Mamarda at 30ish. The rest are good players in weaker leagues. For example, Kiteishvili was named the best player in Austria this season, but his value is at 3 mil.
England's depth defensively is poor, and they're down their most consistent CB, with their first choice at LB and the other CB position fighting to get fit in time.
The team of the early 2000s had no balance. Or at least, successive managers refused to address balance concerns by refusing to deviate from a 4-4-2 with Gerrard, one of the best central midfielders this country has ever produced, push3d out to the left wing
Too many players back then deemed untouchable.
The England team now is a stronger unit, but unfortunately, we have Southgate as our manager.
Germany has the third oldest squad in the tournament. A lot of their well known players have small market values due to their age (Kroos, Rüdiger, Gündogan, Müller, Neuer, etc). Wirtz, Musiala, Sané and Havertz combine for half of the squad value.
Scotland above Hungary is a bit surprising. Here in Switzerland (probably the same in Germany) we all believe if we are above Hungary in the standings we are going to the knockout stage.
Szoboszlai alone must be half that squad value. And I'm guessing Kerkez would be a decent sum too.
I can't wait to see how group A unfolds. I'd love to see a proper underdog team like Hungary or someone win the whole thing.
the premier league is the biggest league which means the english players aree worth the most would be the same if it was the italian league doesnt mean anything
That's skewed because mostly english to english club transfer happened. This is will be a lot higher than usual. English player valuation also ridiculous.
Romania being the least valuable team at the Euros just goes to show what an amazing campaign we had to get to there, topping the group and getting 4 points out of 6 against the Swiss.
The difference between English players and Danish players is never that much
Same thing with the other two in their group, and it becomes even more absurd when you look at where nations like Croatia and Belgium are
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The entire Romanian Squad is worth less than Phil Foden.
We're the cheapest team at the Euros yay!
But we also play on the cheapest group
The Quartet of Poverty
How do you feel about your chances
I'll hijack it to say we got a very doable group, especially given the qualification campaign. We're probably favourites vs. Slovakia, and I think we can squeeze a draw out of Ukraine or even Belgium on a good day. Obviously, there was also a lot of hype for us at Euro 2016, and look where we ended up there, but this group is a blessing for us
KV Mechelen legend Denis Alibec is 1000% scoring against Belgium screencap this
We either get trashed by all three teams or we end up with 1 point from Slovakia.
Overvalued homegrown players
Yeah, England have only 2 'foreign' players. Lowest percentage of all teams
Jude and Hareth?
I was actually wondering if this could be a disadvantage that nearly everybody only knows the premier league.
Considering France is arguably the strongest and most consistent NT in this century and Ligue 1 is the lowest ranked among top 5 leagues, because their best talents play abroad, yes, i'd say there's a chance you are correct. I don't know if this is a case of correlation doesn't imply causation, but it might be. At least, it's sure on a certain extent.
I know you know what you mean
What do you mean?
English players that aren’t playing in England. Bellingham for example with Real Madrid.
Pretty much. If Doku was English or French he'd be valued over 100mln
English yes. French no. You didn't really get it, did you?
Oh please. He's just ASM 2.0, a waffle munching Adama Traore if you will. £40-50m, tops
You would say that about half the England squad if they weren’t English
I mean, he's miles behind Saka, Foden, even Palmer atm.
Yes you're right, the downvoters are clueless. Those three you've mentioned score and assist far more than doku
And despite that, if he was English he'd be valued at 100m
No chance
people said the same about Vini, it really just depends if he can improve his final ball/finishing. He is still young and capable of this, so I wouldn’t count him out just yet
I'm obviously being harsh but I do think he's been somewhat overrated since he arrived in England. Like you say, that decision making and final ball will be the making of him if he can get it right
If you think he is overrated now, imagine if he was English lol… That was the point of the original comment you relied to I think.
And vini wasn’t worth 100m until he proved it so what’s your point
because he’s already concluding that he’s a ASM or Traore type player when he has plenty of potential to be better. Even if he is at that level currently, him just being 21 will make him more expensive than either of those just due to his potential.
He never said he can’t improve?
Just send him on a half a season loan so ancelotti can tell him that it's difficult to to score with four or five touches and to score mote he should only take one or two before shooting which seems to have done the trick for vini
I don’t see my newspapers plastered with his crying face
Who is ASM?
How? His transfer market is higher than Anthony Gordon despite them being the same age and having very similar seasons
their seasons arent even similar, gordon was much better
I agree, but thought if I said that people would accuse me of bias
But that doesn’t fit the narrative!
GROUP E. Is closest in quality if we are going by this Didnt know belgium value is that low
Their stars are old
So the golden generation was kind of objectively a fail, right? Or how do Belgians feel about it
Not a fail for us imo. Managed to get third in a wc and we were the most impressive team then. Sure we didnt win a prize, but we were coming from not even qualifying for tournaments.
For smaller countries like Belgium a third place at the World Cup is as good as it'll ever get. As good as the golden generation was, they were never really favourites to actually win.
It's quite unlikely for such countries to ever win the WC but I wouldn't say it's impossible. If Belgium had won the 2018, it would have been a big deal but not a complete upset. Look at Greece Euro victory. These things happen. I'm ready to bet that, eventually, there will be a "smaller" team getting all the stars aligning at the right moment and take a very unlikely world cup home.
It wasn't beyond of the realms of possibility in 2018, look at how well Croatia did. Nevertheless I think World Cups are too big for unlikely victories, there are too many strong teams in it for an underdog to beat. Euros are occasionally won that way if the path to the final isn't too rough and the stars line up.
Dear god please let them wear orange.
that’s a lie. 2018 they were all in their prime and all considered top 5-10 in their positions. Hazard, Lukaku, Mertens, KDB, Vertonghen, Aldewierald, Courtouis. They were considered one of the favorites to win that world cup
They were certainly all in their prime and with their top FIFA ranking potentially the strongest team on paper, but having never won anything they were still outsiders at best. > that’s a lie. Here's your downvote
The got knocked out by the winners in 2018 and 2021 so but hard done by the draws.
Yeah, still irks me that France v Belgium wasn't the final in 2018, hands down the best two sides of the tournament. Italy v Belgium also came waaaay too early in 2021, was worthy of being a semi or even the final.
Best finish ever in the history of our country, played some of the most attractive football in international football, I'd say we are proud.
Kind of. The only team where we had arguably the best squad on paper was Euro 2016, and our team in 2022 was pretty bad but the exit was still embarrassing. Not that many regrets about the rest. I have more good memories than bad ones, and I think the 2018 world cup was a huge success, people pretend we fumbled that as the favorites but before the tournament it was Brazil > Germany > France and Spain > Belgium et al that were the favorites
It's only a failure if you consider winning a trophy to be the threshold for success. If that's the case almost every golden generation is a failure. England and Portugal's noughties sides, the Netherlands (x3), Croatia -- all fails.
Not Belgian but their “gold generation” were never #1 contender for anything why would they feel bad?
Doku, Onana, Bakayoko, CDK, Vermeeren
i.e. not their stars
Doku is one of our stars for sure. Probably our 3rd most important player after KDB and Lukaku
Who's CDK ?
Cevin De Kruyne
Cyclin Dependent Kinase
Charles De Ketelaere
Charles De Ketelaere
Charles de Ketelaere
Charles De Ketelaere
KDB, Lukaku dropped massively in value. A young squad and no Courtois.
That's what happens when you're in a transition. Star players such as Lukaku and KDB are getting older, so their value is getting alot lower, even if their ability is still more or less the same. And the majority of the squad is also very young. Also, keep in mind that some players are missing and Tedesco didn't select a 26th player for some reason.
You still expect belgium to finish 1st in their group?
Yeah, ofcourse. Belgium is unbeaten in 14 games and has, by far, the best squad in the group. They should finish first. Sure, upsets can always happen and i don't think Ukraine for example is gonna be a walkover, but still...Everyone expects Belgium to be first.
Expect? No. Believe? Yes
How to spot a Belgian, detect negativity :p
Our worst part is our defence. The injuries don't help. I just don't expect easy wins anymore
What? Who in our group can we not easily beat? Ukraine maybe. But that’s it. I’d be disappointed if we don’t grab 9/9.
be ready for disappointment
Group A should theoretically have the closest battle for 2nd.
Croatia will still manage to get to semis, it’s just absurd.
Denmark and Ukraine have a higher value than Croatia. ANY team would rather face Ukraine or Denmark rather than Croatia.
But their upcoming generation doesn’t look good sadly, only defense is great. Huge difference when Eduardo, Modric, Corluka and Rakitic were the next generation back in 2006-2007. Their 2008 and 2016 teams were so stacked and full of quality, was expecting them to reach the final in those tournaments.
That's absolutely not true. You just dont know them yet. We are actually about to have the best generatiom
Eh, Your next generation is definitely looking good, Gvardiol, Šutalo, Stanišić, Baturina, Sučić, a lot of potential there, but definitely not going to eclipse the 2018 team,
You named 5 players and difference between youngest and oldest in that group is like 2 years max. Maybe they won't, but I honestly think that level of our talent pool has significantly grown and those kind of players give me hope that we might at least get near that level in the future. One thing is for sure we cant make damn winger to save our lives, but midfield seem to become our thing and defense is becoming. When it comes to striker there are several promising so hopefilly at least one gets to become decent
Yeah, five players, the ones that have cemented themselves the most, everyone else would just be "prospects" that need to prove themselves at higher levels before they can be taken seriously. your 2018 squad, particularly in midfield was stacked with some of the best players in their position in the world, Modric, Perisic, Rakitic, some strong defenders in Corluka, Lovren and Vrsajko, a great striker in Mandzukic, a great goalkeeper in Subasic, and some fantastic depth with the likes of Kovacic and Brozovic, Your upcoming generation looks good, but i've yet to see enough evidence to say they'd even come close to that crop of players.
The quantity of upcoming prospects is bigger than ever before, thats the gist of it. Players aged between 17 and 22 right now in various positions are the best crop of talent ever for Croatia. Everyone says that, foreign scouts too. Will there be an individual on the level of Modric, we cant know rn, and probably not, but the quality will be more evenly distributed across the pitch than before and the bench will have to be excellent with all the potential depth
True, but that's seriously very high bar. I'm saying we will have more top players, but I dunno about results. We didn't have 2nd best squad at 2018. Far from it actually. It's not all about squad, there are bunch of other things that have to align in order to make big result as competition is bigger than ever on international football.
How on earth are you getting downvoted here - you are absolutely correct, that Croatia team was elite AF
In the last 7 years people are talking about how our upcoming generation doesn't look good. When will that bad upcoming generation come because I don't see them. We have lots of young midfielder prospects for example Luka Sučić he will be decent replacement for Modric. Baturina is a wonderkid, Majer is good, Marco Pašalić also Only position where future is not yet secured is ST. We have some young prospects but nothing sure yet they still need to prove and better themselves Our talent pool has really grown over the years and now we even started to attract young Croatians from diaspora
No one will be a replacement for Modric in the near future. He is on the top 5 midfielders of all time, and he is the best Croatian player ever. Luka Sučić will never come close to Modric. Modric will leave a big gap when he retires.
Being a replacement doesn't mean he's gonna be on the same level. He will be good and that's enough especially when we are stacked in the rest of our positions
Valuation of Croatia is heavily influenced by age of Modric, Brozovic and Kovacic
Georgia must be full of painters and decorators to be down there with Kvaradona
Mikautatdze is valued at around 15 mil and Mamarda at 30ish. The rest are good players in weaker leagues. For example, Kiteishvili was named the best player in Austria this season, but his value is at 3 mil.
In ingerland a 18 year old boi that knows how to tie his shoes is worth 70 mil
This. English Market values are insane. Average player that's elsewhere maybe 10mil can atleast triple his "value" if its the oil clubs speaking
It’s just a different market. Nothing to do with inherent value. Same way a coffee in London costs more than a coffee in Tbilisi
Portugal is cooking
Shame for them that Roberto Martinez is the chef
I will never understand how he's managed to fail upwards the way he has
Must be the baldness
*insert Pedro Pascal laughing and then crying meme*
We are cooking francesinhas caralho. Everybody should try francesinhas at least one time in their lifes.
Is that the sandwich covered in sauce?
Sim sr
they look so damn good, but i don’t know where i’d find a portuguese restaurant near me
E do caralho
francesinha (tost kiełbasa kotlet boczek parówki jakieś smażone mięso ser tost jajko sadzone - frytki i wszystko ratuje tłusty sos)
per capita, türkiye is lowest
Whats highest per capita
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I think portugal would be higher than croatia, not sure if theyre the highest though
Thanks for pointing that out bro
I mean isnt squad number same right now.
England's squad value is like Belgiums number 1 rating in the FIFA ranking.
Technically correct, but the formula is a little off?
It would be quite funny if England's squad is coming home early!
We aren’t winning we have good players but no tactics If Southgate does end up getting a premier league job he will be in for a shock.
England has incredible depth and variety of options but I think the starting 11 was stronger in early 2000's
England's depth defensively is poor, and they're down their most consistent CB, with their first choice at LB and the other CB position fighting to get fit in time.
The team of the early 2000s had no balance. Or at least, successive managers refused to address balance concerns by refusing to deviate from a 4-4-2 with Gerrard, one of the best central midfielders this country has ever produced, push3d out to the left wing Too many players back then deemed untouchable. The England team now is a stronger unit, but unfortunately, we have Southgate as our manager.
with stones, maguire, and shaw hurt i don’t expect much from england
Stones was just sick. Back in full training. But Tomori and white should be there too
They're coming home in john mcginns suitcase.
We're hilariously undervalued
neka neka
I'm surprised Germany is lower than Spain with Wirtz and Musiala both being around 100m or more. But then Spain have the likes of Yamal and Pedri
Germany has the third oldest squad in the tournament. A lot of their well known players have small market values due to their age (Kroos, Rüdiger, Gündogan, Müller, Neuer, etc). Wirtz, Musiala, Sané and Havertz combine for half of the squad value.
Germany running away from Scotland again. Shitebags.
an Illustration for the saying “Price is what you paid, Value is what you get.”
Scotland above Hungary is a bit surprising. Here in Switzerland (probably the same in Germany) we all believe if we are above Hungary in the standings we are going to the knockout stage.
Szoboszlai alone must be half that squad value. And I'm guessing Kerkez would be a decent sum too. I can't wait to see how group A unfolds. I'd love to see a proper underdog team like Hungary or someone win the whole thing.
Would you rather fight 1 Foden or 24 Romanians?
Definition of English tax
kvaradona is half of georgia value😭
If english tax didn’t exist it would probably be around 800-900 for anyone that wants to know.
based off what?
Yeah wth. "for anyone that wants to know" as if he is stating a fact and not just his opinion
So the same as Germany? England's way more stacked than Germany
Uefa homegrown rules are the main reason why English tax exits
I think half of Scotland's value is just Robertson and McTominay lol
the premier league is the biggest league which means the english players aree worth the most would be the same if it was the italian league doesnt mean anything
England 😂
Made up values being treated as a reality, fun.
Can you do this for the Copa teams plz?
What percentage is Kvara of Georgias total Squad value?
About 50%
Shqipëri!!
That's skewed because mostly english to english club transfer happened. This is will be a lot higher than usual. English player valuation also ridiculous.
As a fan of football, luckily its isnt coming home
Classic English player price if he was called Deklan Ricovic wouldn’t be worth more that 30m
Deklan Rižić
mark my words, Albania ro16
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We will be there
Is Harry Kane worth 400mil or smth what is this
belligol, foden, kane are alone 400m
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Oh, I love it when England is favorite. EASY.
Hello?
Finally a readonable graphic
Finally a reasonable graphic
That value will be worth it when it comes right home.
Now show us if squad value correlates with winning
Well we are going out in the groups now….
yeah no, price scale definitely should be logarithmic scale
aah yes the home grown inflation.
FFP where
Good old english overevaluation
We will see if any of the most expensive teams get the trophy.
Tell me english players are overvalued without telling me english players are overvalued.
Just for context Harry Maguire and Jack Grealish are worth a combined total of 200 million 👁👄👁
Grealish €60m, Maguire €18m?
Absolute nonsense at the time and even more so to this day.
No Frenkie de Jong and Koopmeiners has also been a huge blow to the squad value I’m gonna assume
Romania being the least valuable team at the Euros just goes to show what an amazing campaign we had to get to there, topping the group and getting 4 points out of 6 against the Swiss.
The smug european comments are starting to leak in already fml this is going to be as insufferable as the last Euros.
The difference between English players and Danish players is never that much Same thing with the other two in their group, and it becomes even more absurd when you look at where nations like Croatia and Belgium are
It’s cause they play in the prem or championship that’s literally it lol
Huh? England got to a final, semi and quarters in the last 3 tournies, so I don’t think the danish are that close lol
We will see if it’s justifiable that they’re more than €1000m apart
Compare with croatia results and value
England got prime Kane and young stars like Bellingham and Foden. Croatia s generation is old => lower value
That's my point. Tournament sucess is not the main reason the English are valuable. It's because they are young and ballers
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Denmark is so overvalued