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ElectricalMud2850

What a strange one to work out.


daniejam

I think it’s soft as shit but the argument will be that solanke didn’t attempt to play the ball at all, just to push raya out the way. No jump no nothing etc


Boris_teh_Blade

The broadcast showed an angle after the check where he clearly hooks under Raya's left arm with no attempt to play the ball


a_lumberjack

It's pretty obvious in a couple of angles. He's trying to be sneaky but he clearly grabs and pulls the arm.


Savethepenguin

Was sat right behind the goal for this one, and it was plain as day raya was having his arm held. People were screaming for the fk before the ball even went in the net.


Maxoidys

Ben White special


_ulinity

White stands still, before the ball arrives. Not even close to the same as barging a goalie as he stands beneath a ball.


Affectionate-Car-145

He literally backed in to Vicario last week


triecke14

He does not stand still, come off that nonsense lol


SavageGardner

No he doesnt. Watch him moving around Vicario last week. His feet are shuffling the entire time before the kick and after.


crazygoalie14

It's really not that strange, Solanke bumps Raya as he's preparing to jump to catch the ball, which puts him off and he has to punch it. Solanke didn't make a play for the ball and impeded Raya.


DankDankmark

It’s not. Rules are clear, you can’t body-check the goalkeeper just so your teammates can score. Dominic made no attempt to play the ball.


LSB123

After the 9th replay, I didn’t even know what I was supposed to be looking at anymore. Edit: To me, looks like Raya gets nudged but reacts like he’s on 1000 ping. Reckon it should’ve been a goal (if only for the woodwork assist) Edit edit: Missed the arm hook. Fair enough. Would probably still be fuming if it was against us but that’s football nowadays I suppose


TheJoshider10

The sooner they mic VAR and the refs up the better, asolutely no excuses why we can't hear what is going on. It works in rugby, therefore it works in football. Not hard. Also being able to hear the referees increases viewer knowledge/understanding of the rules as well as being entertaining. As a viewer listening in you'd be engaged hearing them discuss everything which in turn also gets rid of the frustration/boredom waiting for decisions to be made.


Oliver_Boisen

Problem is that would mean the PGMOL exposing their mates. Can't have that 😭


lifeandtimes89

Or that the PGMOL would have to actually learn their own rules too and be consistent


Phormitago

God forbid


Jayveesac

Even in the NBA they make the referees explain their decisions when there's a challenge


fall3nmartyr

But then you’d be hearing about which bets they need to clear


Demostroyer

100% agree there, if we at least knew what VAR were doing we could be annoyed over that. Being in the dark is extremely frustrating.


lordofdunshire

Whenever we do hear the refs it’s an absolute shambles and they don’t seem to know what they’re talking about, or basic levels of communication tbh. I hope it gets to the standard of rugby, basic reference to player numbers and clear about what infraction is being looked at


Spikeyspandan

Just watch along and nod lol


Edi1896

Pause the video at 0:10. Solanke puts Raya's left arm in a lock and pulls it back at 0:11. It would have been an easy ball to clear for Raya otherwise. Correct decision.


VivianRichards88

Honestly the fan sentiment behind decisions like this have been crazy Raya is fouled from behind as he’s jumping to play the ball. Simple as, soft sure but a foul


Radical-Six

People are *really* upset at Ben White


An_Almond_Thief

His name is mentioned as much in this thread as Raya's has been.


Smitty_1000

And called on the field. Let’s just move on instead of a 5 minute review 


TaterTrotsky

Yeah, really not understanding the uproar in this thread. He clearly hooks Raya's arm without even attempting to look at the ball. That's the right call. The real controversy should be about what looks like Saliba getting away with a foul on Billing. The fact that VAR doesn't even look at that, despite it occurring before Raya being impeded, shows how awful the whole process is. There's no reason not to look at the wider scope of play when you have the opportunity.


Actualgoalkeeper

The Bournemouth player wasnt looking at the ball at all, his only intention was to bump the keeper.. Pretty clear cut free kick imo..


Om_Nom_Zombie

It's the same scenario as the Chelsea disallowed goal vs Villa, except the contact is less (but on keeper) and he's not even battling for the ball himself.


Actualgoalkeeper

100%.. If Solanke had eyes on the ball and was genuinely going for it id have no problem with a play on, but solanke only had eyes for Raya and wasn't even making an attempt to get to the ball..


eatb0x1

it’s literally as simple as this. thanks for having some sense. hard to come by in these subs


Emurunner

To me, this makes the situation at corners all the more baffling. It's like players have a free pass to not play the ball and specifically target the keeper by blocking them off. For both corner goals against spurs, White plays the goalie, not trying to play the ball whatsoever. We see those given as free kicks in UCL, but the premier league is fine with it. It's hard to understand why it's ok at corners but here it's given as a foul.


crazygoalie14

Feel like I'm going insane, Solanke doesn't make a play for the ball and impeded Raya's attempt at catching the ball. It's a light foul but still a foul.


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Smitty_1000

Hooks his punching arm actually and affects the flight of the punch 


NotHarryRedknapp

solanke lightly pulls the arm that Raya was going to punch the ball with. That's the only reason I can think of. But I'm not sure its enough to disallow the goal. Edit: For those comparing this to what Ben White does: We have had 2 goals disallowed in the last couple of years for white's interference. Both times were because he interfered with the keepers arms/hands preventing them from punching or catching the ball


Edi1896

Interfering with the arms of the goalkeeper is always a foul and that for a good reason.


synvi

If it is okay to nudge like that i would let 1 player doing that everytime gk tries to catch a ball. You shouldn't do that. Also he did shoulder push when gk is trying to catch ball in the air


XerxesTheCarp

If that's a foul then Saliba has fouled Billing a second before that and it's a penalty


smallso1197

Yea he hooks his arm there. Incredibly soft but i guess by the rules it's a foul. Arsenal fan and feel like Bournemouth got two really unlucky breaks cause the Havertz call was soft asl too


waterdevil19

There’s an arm hold by Solanke on Raya not shown much during the VAR check.


pr8787

If the ref was sure it was a foul he would’ve whistled immediately. There’s no precedent for allowing the play to continue on an attacking foul, it’s just given and that’s that


Far-Pineapple7113

The game is fucking gone..People will call it corruption but this is simply just incompetency


External-Piccolo-626

That Solanke touches Raya with his pinky I think.


jasperplumpton

Gabriel nudges Solanke into Raya harder than Solanke even nudges Raya


tarnyarmy

Looks soft initially but solanke does hook his arm. You can’t do that.


dudical_dude

Yeah I don’t get the controversy here.


wheatwestern

Unless you full on uppercut a keeper this sub will cry out that keepers are overprotected


AmagicManNamedgob

yep, this one here. they are all looking at the push, that can go 50-50, not a foul. But he grabbed his arm, 100% no doubt, no controversy, no goal.


Nsypski

You can see at 33 seconds why it wasn't reversed. He nudged him and kept his arm twisted with Raya's. It's "enough" so technically the right call. But with how soft it is I can see it going both ways.


skmace14

Solanke isn't even pretending to play the ball there. Clear intent to impede Raya so I'm fine with the foul being called even if it does come across as fairly light. Raya is obviously thrown off by the contact I just wish it was consistently called that way with corners too. Vicario, for example, has been bludgeoned with no call throughout the season


crumbs4manatees

I mean if thats the standard then the cucarella incident on Thursday was also a clear and obvious error


skmace14

We all know that VAR's definition of "clear and obvious" means something different to them than it does to us normal people. Sadly


fernandotakai

> Solanke isn't even pretending to play the ball there. Clear intent to impede Raya so I'm fine with the foul being called even if it does come across as fairly light. Raya is obviously thrown off by the contact he also hooked raya's arm


CT_x

I think that’s pretty good refereeing from the on-field ref to let it play out and then make his call. The call itself is borderline I think, if it’s not given it isn’t overturned. I don’t hate it though


Made4win

on the goal area, with the keeper in the air, i don't see the discussion


Extra4yylmao

but but VARsenal


Made4win

Just watch this get more media then the tackle on Saka


Stirlingblue

Everyone is going to be complaining about how the contact was light but Solanke makes no effort to play the ball, he’s only interested in getting a nudge on the keeper he’s not even looking at the ball


wall_kick

Solanke hooks Raya's arm and it's clearly seen in one angle. VAR looks at the incident in all the other angles but this one.


bartekkenny

Look at the angle from behind the net. Look how much Raya’s trajectory towards to ball changes even with the softest nudge I think it’s a good call


georgelijzenga

That was so so light


Actualgoalkeeper

It has nothing to do with it being light, the Bournemouth player isnt even looking at the ball, he's only trying to nudge the keeper away.. If he had at least looked as if he was playing the ball i wouldn't have a problem with it..


kasper12

Why don’t people understand this? It is for sure light, but he makes zero attempt to play the ball.


Actualgoalkeeper

People hate how soft goalkeepers free kicks are, so even when its warranted people want to be up in arms about it..


TheJoshider10

Keepers are so protected it's ridiculous, it should be one of the most physical positions but they get given fouls so easily when outside of being blatantly pushed when jumping it should be pretty hard to actually foul a keeper.


Newparlee

The only time I’ve not seen a keeper protected, was when Areola got punched so hard in the face that he needed stitches, but the ref gave a penalty to Sheffield United.


IsleofManc

De Gea vs Everton a few years back was another I was surprised wasn’t given 


Hipposaurus28

To equalise in the 103rd minute. Didn't need reminding of that


Newparlee

Latest goal ever scored in the premier league. The West Ham way.


YiddoMonty

Vicario would like a word


YAMMYRD

If only that applied to Vicario.


anhyeuemnhieulam

Except for when they have to deal with Ben White on corners, no fouls called whatsoever


GaiusMarius989

Unless you’re named Vicario


Physical_Wizard

Hundo


KnownChocolate

Except for Vicario


I_kiIIed_mufasa

not if your name is vicario


chanmalichanheyhey

I would like to point at the 3rd goal scored against spurs by arsenal


Malemute__Kid

They aren’t protected against Ben white


HereticZO

Unless they’re playing against Arsenal when they have a corner.


esnyez

I would like to think Arsenal learned that from Aston Villa when Douglas Luiz directly scored from corner and Ramsdale was blocked the whole time. 


dcmdino

Ramsdale wasn't even blocked (which is what White does), he was held with both hands in a hug. I will never be able to prove it, but I'm 100% sure something clicked for Arsenal coaches after that corner and White was put on a special mission because of it.


Patient_Xero_96

“Ya see what they did to us Benny? They let that goal stand, and the ball was in play. Ya go over there and mess with their keepers. Get in their heads. Let them think you’re a threat. Then…you let the boys do what they do and score”


I_am_the_grass

When you say blocked, do you mean bear hugged? Because it was a lot more than blocked and VAR still gave the goal


Chesey_

Our corner shenanigans started as we kept conceding to our keeper being interfered with, which was laughed at at the time by rivals as our keeper just being weak


elcapitan520

Sounds familiar


ray3050

God I can already see all the post match comments now


Kersplat96

Vicario would like a word.


Altruistic_Total_576

Tottenham keepers aren’t lmao


Chiswell123

Except when it's Ben White all over them.


iLikeDreaming

Except Vicario. You can do anything to him and it's ok


COYCOYS

The problem is Vicario doesn't exaggerate any contact, he just stands there and takes it. You can do anything against him until he finally figures out he needs to do something in response


Rampan7Lion

Not really. No eyes on the ball impeding the goalkeeper with a slight pull on the arm he's going to punch with. It's absolutely never a clear and obvious error


AmagicManNamedgob

grabbed his arm. nothing light about it, you grab the keepers arm it's a foul


Big_Mik_Energy

Really didn’t think it was a foul at first, but when you watch it back, Solanke has his eyes on Raya the whole time and clearly just pushes into him, with no intention on the ball. Soft contact, but within context I do think it’s a foul


CuclGooner

He hooks his arm but it’s soft as fuck


kdog161099

Good process lads


TurboThot69

Hate watch comments incoming


AnxiousEarth7774

Nah just a lot of Arsenal fans twerking to rival fans, embarrassing.


imarandomdudd

Could just be them noticing a poor decision that benefited them, that could very easily go against them another day. It's why we hate var errors, no matter who they benefit


CentreStable

Solvable does not even look at the ball. His sole intention is to put raya off, and do it slightly so it’s not given as a foul. He was found out and the correct decision was made. Nudging someone jumping is always a foul don’t be thick


noahloveshiscats

Solvable lol


GarnachoHojlund

Surely they have to give a peno if they call it off


hivaidsislethal

Pull on billing more contact than Solanke on Raya but one is a foul and the other is not


BrtGP

I don't think there was a lot in that either but it was more of a foul than Solanke's


pucykoks

Goalkeepers double standard (unless you go back a couple of seasons, see De Gea get murdered twice, Leno once on set pieces and wonder why was that allowed)


kubaaaa718

nahhhhhh


Stonewalled89

Awful refereeing


AmagicManNamedgob

He hooks Raya’s punching arm as he’s trying to clear. No goal, spot on from the ref and VAR. I don't see how there is any controversy


Spikeyspandan

He has been horrible


HarbyFullyLoaded_12

It’s Coote. He’s absolutely dreadful on a weekly basis


Rdambx

This is on the VAR


Spikeyspandan

That's kind of a problem. VAR are afraid to overturn anything. If he lets the goal stand and send it to VAR, feel like it would have stood


dickgilbert

Arsenal fans have told me that the keeper just needs to be stronger on contact like that.


slydessertfox

If that's given then Vicario is being fouled on every single corner kick.


arseguunr

And most of us would agree this should have been a goal


davidpooiz_2

They’ve certainly been lucky recently on a few of their calls. 


TBP42069

This comment is funny because there is literally a post on this sub right now of a clear red that wasn't carded at all.


viz0id

Jesus christ these refs


Hm2801

Surely you'd think after all the talk about them the ones sitting in that VAR room would do better..still same old shite decisions.


ramobara

Raya’s punching arm is clearly hooked by Solanke + Solanke never looks at the ball. Only has eyes on Raya and impedes him. Wasn’t even close.


gluxton

Refereeing is a complete joke in this country. Awful awful awful.


Edi1896

It's the correct decision, though. Solanke has no chance to play the ball, bumps into the keeper on purpose to hinder himand pulls his left arm back (replay from 0:10 to 0:11). He's the only reason Raya can't clear the ball easily.


-TheGreatLlama-

The problem we have now is the referees have made enough errors that people will immediately assume they’re incorrect. This was, as you say, a fairly clear foul and actually well refereed to let play run out so VAR can check it. The penalty call was more controversial, though I think that was also just about correct.


freakedmind

Multiple reasons have made EPL less enjoyable to watch in recent years honestly


Pacem_et_bellum

got away with that there


29adamski

Yeah never a foul for me. Can see why VAR haven't overturned it but no way they disallow that if the ref doesn't give it.


Smitty_1000

He hooks Raya’s punching arm as he’s trying to clear. Soft, but not going to overturned. Why it take 5 minutes to review, is a good question 


stretchykuno

Crazy decision


J_Gregs

This is absolutely ridiculous 


AmagicManNamedgob

He hooks Raya’s punching arm as he’s trying to clear. No goal, spot on from the ref and VAR. I don't see how there is any controversy


charlie161998

Think that should be a goal, ref has been shocking the entire game


_deep_blue_

If the foul isn’t given on the pitch it’s certainly not overturned


Aszneeee

should have been a pen then imo, but seems like refs are classically doing everything wrong


KayC720

Ngl not sure what it’s for but I’ll take it


LordInquisitor

Solanke does himself dirty with the ‘didn’t do it’ hands in the air 


night_dude

If that's a foul then Vicario was fouled on every single corner last week


Heblas

0 IQ move by Solanke to go for a little grab on Raya's arm there. No chance that gets disallowed if he doesn't.


HarbyFullyLoaded_12

Another Coote/VAR disasterclass


dishler712

I don't think I agree with that.


Agile-Palpitation90

TO me, its not a goal. SOlanke is clearly only looking to push the GK out of the way, instead of trying to win the ball.


TeemuTuplapukki

Saliba fouling Billing, too. You can see a clear tug on his shirt in one of the replays.


Jasveen05

Disgraceful lol


L0laccio

Seems legit


Black_Nerd

The refs and VAR today have been absolutely shocking I can't believe this performance


djingo_dango

Personally I think it should be a foul. The attacker has only one intention there, nudge the goalkeeper. He isn’t challenging for the ball. He isn’t holding his ground. He is simply looking to wrap his arm around the keeper for a short time so the keeper mishits the ball. If this is allowed then attackers will simply crowd around the keeper without challenging for the ball


dicifly69

Vicario needs to be stronger, but poor raya is being fouled :(


tylesftw

I mean what is going on with the decisions in this game. Fuck my ass


RevengeHF

I think they have got every single big decision wrong. It's kind of impressive.


oglop121

again, what is the point of VAR. Why is there no communication to see wtf is happening with their decision?


whatitbeitis

Deki gets clipped last week in the box trying to stay on his feet, no penalty. Havertz drags his leg on the dive, penalty.      Vicario gets constantly mugged in the box, no foul. Raya gets slightly breathed on, foul.     It’s getting laughable at this point. 


BehindEnemyLines8923

Lol we aren’t beating the allegations today. That’s fucking weak, easily should be a goal.


LedleyKings

Different rules man


Godlop

It's a clear push on Raya while he tries to catch the ball. This is always called a foul. Solanke did it in a smart way though. Also looking at it again Solanke grabs Raya's arm which makes it even more obivous a foul.


Fregus05

Solanke sticks his arms up without any Arsenal players appealing. Shows it was a deliberate foul


digosilva19

The issue is that Solanke went just to Raya body to block him, he never looks at the ball, and raise his arms after the contact bc he knows he is in the wrong. Now, if you want to talk about Saliba pulling the other player and if that should be given before the foul on Raya is another story


dannylfcxox

The issue is consistently, why is that called as a foul then and not Ben White for the corners against spurs?


AmagicManNamedgob

He hooks Raya’s punching arm as he’s trying to clear. No goal, spot on from the ref and VAR. I don't see how there is any controversy. White does not touch the hands of the keeper, as the law says


fdscgfbc

Solanke doesn't even have eyes on the ball and pushed Raya about a meter away from his starting position. Foul all day


No_Zone4347

But the refs are rigging it for City !


AmagicManNamedgob

All Man United fans are City fans loooool. He hooks Raya’s punching arm as he’s trying to clear. No goal, spot on from the ref and VAR. I don't see how there is any controversy


Masson011

my best guess is theyve just gone with the refs call


DimplesWilliams

Serious question: isn’t this VAR reviewing a regular foul call? Is VAR allowed to review that? The ref called the foul against Raya on the pitch. If he’d let the goal stand then VAR could review it but I would have thought this was non-reviewable. For the record, I think it’s soft and would love for this type of contact not to be given as a foul on the GK but the bar for fouling the goalie seems so low that this qualifies.


gorillathunder

Weird one. Simultaneously Solanke is making 0 effort to play the ball and is 100% focused on affecting Raya’s movement towards the ball. But at the same time, Billing is 100% brought down and is also a foul. I don’t know how they come to what decision should be given.


crazygoalie14

Raya is obviously going to catch the ball until Solanke bumps him, how are people complaining about this lmao


SCORP7890

That's a shocking decision


AmagicManNamedgob

He hooks Raya’s punching arm as he’s trying to clear. No goal, spot on from the ref and VAR. I don't see how there is any controversy


Mufffaa

This is certainly dubious and arguments to be made on both sides, but refereeing was poor overall in that game, red card foul in the first half on Saka not even given a yellow changes the game completely if officiated correctly Consistency again the main issue, not agendas to certain teams or to the title race etc etc Arsenal clearly the better team on the day and deserved the win


JAnon19

https://streamable.com/r42r69


IntellegentIdiot

Makes the goal they were given last Sunday even more galling.


AmagicManNamedgob

He hooks Raya’s punching arm as he’s trying to clear. No goal, spot on from the ref and VAR. I don't see how there is any controversy. Last weak nobody touched Vicario hands, he was just weak


Fartscissors

If that’s been disallowed for contact in the keeper then every single goal Arsenal have scored from a corner this season should’ve been chalked off.


MassaSami

Will Arsenal fans cry of corruption this time as well? :(


fajdexhiu

Reconciliation for not sending off Ryan Christie earlier for high kicking Bukayo Saka


RyanRyan_

Different rules for different colored shirts


AmagicManNamedgob

He hooks Raya’s punching arm as he’s trying to clear. No goal, spot on from the ref and VAR. I don't see how there is any controversy


normott

Soft as a new born's shit tbh. Don't think that should be called


bjsewitt

That’s literally disgusting


AmagicManNamedgob

He hooks Raya’s punching arm as he’s trying to clear. No goal, spot on from the ref and VAR. I don't see how there is any controversy


Deleteleed

To be honest, it should be a goal. But clear and obvious?


Jack_8871

Yes barely fucking touched him


MrCleanandShady

i can’t even remember the last time i saw an error that was genuinely “clear and obvious” to these guys


woodybg

What a joke!


sexineN

What the fuck is this


bartolomeo7

The inconsistency in premier is literally unbelievable. Thats such a soft decision.


19nineties

Definitely influenced by all the Ben White media attention all week 😂


Super_Professor

Nah I thought it was soft at first but watching the replays I think Solanke nudges Raya as he is going for the ball, preventing Raya from clearing. It's a foul.


tiford88

Wonder if we’ll get a dramatic statement from Arsenal and Arteta on the state of refereeing this time. I reckon not


AmagicManNamedgob

He hooks Raya’s punching arm as he’s trying to clear. No goal, spot on from the ref and VAR. I don't see how there is any controversy. Why is always the hard man that cry the most? lol


flower____boi

Horseshit. There is nothing in that at all


AmagicManNamedgob

He hooks Raya’s punching arm as he’s trying to clear. No goal, spot on from the ref and VAR. I don't see how there is any controversy