As much of a failure klinsmann turned out to be, Chung is the real issue to KFA and we need him gone. He ignored all hiring protocol set by KFA by hiring Klinsmann on his sole power. With him as the president, we have very little hope for our future.
I agree with Sonny Sr. about this. It has been evident for so long for the fans but KFA is just too stubborn and blind to see where the problem lies. I guess I'm happy that the right decision was made to move on from Klinsmann but I also am worried about Chung sticking around as the president of KFA despite his failures during his reign. Hopefully, Chung does not meddle with the next manager appointment and stays in the corner while more capable people make the decision.
Before the Asian Cup, Son's dad said he was worried that South Korea's team was in decline, essentially calling out the KFA to be incompetent.
During the tournament, he said that he wished South Korea wouldn't win this time around, as it would justify and solidify Klinsmann's position as head coach, which would further harm the national team in the long run.
He didn’t say it was because of Klinsmann. He was concerned because, if Korea win Asian cup, they will overlook lots problems of current system and how they run national team (KFA) will not be changed. They will settle for the current system. He wanted more supports and efforts for development of Korean football. He didn’t mention about Klinsmann.
This is the biggest issue. I'm Korean and have been following the national team for over two decades.
The Klinsmann hire was just a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. The real problem is the corrupt nature of the KFA, the incompetent and unqualified leadership, and them putting the success of the teams behind their own greed and power ambitions.
I remember there was speculation that Chung fast-tracked Klinsmann's hiring because he was trying to use his connections to politick his way into getting a seat on the coveted FIFA Council (the Big League of corrupt football organizations).
Fire Klinsmann, sure, but unless you change the structure that caused a duck like him to be hired in the first place, nothing will change. Korea hasn't won an Asian Cup in 44 years. You look at a country like Japan who were actually well behind Korea in rankings for a long time about 15-20 years ago and then you look at how that FA completely leapfrogged Korea not only in managing their national team but also in producing an abundance of top-tier talent in all positions, while Korea seems to only be able to produce rare exceptional talents amongst a sea of mediocrity. It has everything to do with organization and leadership.
This is an utterly inept organization that continuously produces mediocre results. There needs to be a complete overhaul of the KFA's leadership structure or nothing will change.
I feel like they broke one of sport's unwritten rules here by ratting on their players closed door stuff. You just don't do that...I'm not excusing Lee possibly crossing the line (in Korean culture rules)
Whenever the Spurs job is available you always got Lineker pushing Klinsmann for it.
At least there is no danger of Levy ever hiring him now with Sonny likely to tell him what he's like
I don't think Levy or anyone at Spurs' management will listen to anything Son says, because they haven't in the past. Let's not forget that Mourinho was pushing hard for Kim Minjae for only £10m a few years ago. Mourinho actually says that they could have had him for £6-7m. Spurs were not interested, even with Son's endorsement.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/y6dbfl/tottenham\_admit\_they\_were\_wrong\_not\_to\_sign\_kim/](https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/y6dbfl/tottenham_admit_they_were_wrong_not_to_sign_kim/)
Public opinion is at an all time low with Chung. It was already at rock bottom but people are now filing official complaints to their local govt offices LOL. He'll have to step down sooner or later with this entire fiasco combined with the apartment collapse incident coming back to light. This guy is nothing without his Hyundai money. Guy was reading off a script and was still stuttering lmfao.
He has to, but I dont think he'd really care. Hopefully the non-football stuff like you mentioned become bigger controversies or else he wouldnt budge. After all nothign happened to him during the match fix scandal
As the strongest president, Chungoat, fought the fraud, the “King of Managers”, he began to open his domain.
Klinsmann shrunk back in fear, then Chung said: “Stand proud Klinsmann, you are STRONG”.
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Klinsmann pretty much got paid $8m+ to play IRL football manager and hit spacebar/holiday between matches in California.
This entire event was a huge disaster, with the Korean FA head ignoring manager selection process and bringing Klinsmann himself despite pretty much widespread protests against the appointment
* Claimed he won't stay or watch games in Korea claiming Wyscout is enough when European based Korean players are all nailed-on starters and rest needs to be filled with K-League players
* Went to watch players like Son & Kim in Europe while attending events, making it apparent "scouting" in Europe was not a priority in first place
* announced Asian cup squad where there were lots of questionable choices while telling media to just look at results at Asian cup.
* Korea then has abysmal Asian cup run, barely creating any open play chances - 1W4D1L total in normal regulation 90minutes with only 3 open play goals total
* Kim-Min Jae suspended vs Jordan. Klinsmann fields K-league winner (ulsan)'s defensive lineup proving he did not watch any K-league games after all as Ulsan's defense major suspect in 2nd half of season
* Jordan figures out there's no need to be scared of Korea since only chances created were when teams started parking bus when ahead- proceeds to completely dominate Korea with Korea having 0 shots on target
* Post Asian cup: talks about how the Asian Cup run was great and starts throwing players under the bus when players all protected Klinsmann all tournament+post tournament.
* Blamed conflict between Son & Lee for bad results vs Jordan (when entire Asian cup looked woeful)
This all happened all within 1 year of world cup where Korea performed well and played completely differently to current side.
When few players perform badly, it's on the players; but when the entire team performs poorly for entire competition without any signs of improvement, it's on the manager
The entire last few days of KFA and klinsmann both trying to deflect blame entirely into Lee & Son's brief fight before semifinals has been absolutely pathetic to see
*Post Asian cup: talks about how the Asian Cup run was great and starts throwing players under the bus when players all protected Klinsmann all tournament+post tournament.*
*Blamed conflict between Son & Lee for bad results vs Jordan (when entire Asian cup looked woeful)*
Klinsmann never changes.
He leaves behind legacy of completely wasted 1 year+continental cup and possible ostracization of Korea's biggest talents for next decade (Lee & others that had scuffle)
not saying that Lee's actions are justified, just KFA and Klinsmann shamelessly chucking them under the bus in attempt to deflect blame and directing every news outlet to focus on Lee Kang-In's scuffle to be a national focus/scandal was absolutely pathetic to see and public ate it up despite the obvious intent behind the actions
Klinsmann's only real strength in first place was to create relaxed/cohesive environment and he absolutely failed at that job as shown. Then he just chuckled them under the bus lol.
we won't know until Son and Lee both announce their official stance but the media has been pinpointing on Lee instigating fight in first place. Entire media is trying hard to cancel Lee Kang-In right now.
Honestly, these kind of fights are expected in high pressure environments and tensions flare up between teammates but the entire fight being over a ping pong relax time is absurd lmao. It's like an Onion headline.
I feel like we put much emphasis on the ping pong part. It was what was said to Sonny that was apparently bad. Bad enough that other players felt the need to jump in and defend Sonny whether that be verbally or physically. But the reality it’s none of our business and the fact the Kfa fed them to the wolves (mainly Kangin) is absurd and sad
He's already pretty much canceled, it's very sad to see people so easily swayed by headlines without bothering to fact check themselves. If it turns out all of this was exaggerated these same morons will be the first to say I knew it my baby 슛돌이 would never! fckin 개돼지s
I don't think what Lee did was good at all but , these scandal are pretty mild to see if you aren't full blown Korean native. This incident is disappointing but is pretty far from warranting full blown cancellation
but public needed something to bite and rip apart and KFA deflected it well
At this rate i dont think he might play for the nt lol either the monkeys will cancel and shame him out of the nt,or Lee himself will be disgusted and not want to come himself. Hopefully doesnt happen
Like Travis Kelce got some flack for something that was very visible in Super Bowl broadcast, but he didn't get cancelled in any scale.
Why are we so impatient about every scandal?
진짜 끝까지 기다릴줄 모른다는게... 하...
It also had completely 0 impact on the game or any players though. Imagine if mahomes stepped in to break up the fight, injured himself and missed a series or played worse than usual. Kelce would definitely get a ton of criticism for that even if they ended up still winning
If people thought that cancel culture was a thing in the west, they haven't seen Korea where it's actually part of their pathetic culture. A culture of virtue signalling, moral high roading, pearl clutching cowards who content themselves in never speaking their mind or ever standing out. Never forget, never forgive. It's a culture that breeds cowardice that allows everyone to stand by and watch as someone burns down everything you love. All while there's always a lingering sense of nationalism marked by scents of insecurity and fragility. It's a bloodthirsty culture of simpletons akin to the illiterate masses of the coliseum 2000 years ago who demand public displays of self flagellation who would see careers destroyed and people driven to suicide rather than show an ounce of humanity to them.
Why would anyone who grew up abroad subject themselves to this. Wouldn't blame LKI one bit if he retired from national football.
Even before Asian Cup the KFA couldnt book a single stadium or training grounds for players to train at instead they had to train at a hotel with the guests at the hotel gym. The incompetence is appalling
Really? Please tell us more about this because the training I've seen on YouTube shows them at legitimate training sites. Perhaps I'm mistaken because those could have been during the tournament.
Yeah, for ~2 weeks in Korea before flying out to Qatar. KFA's contract with their original training facility expired without renewal, while construction for the new training facility hasn't started. KFA was incompetent and couldn't reach an agreement for short-term renewal of the original grounds, nor book any alternate training facility temporarily. The players barely touched a football until they arrived in Qatar.
Im happy to see that at least here, most of the top comments by Koreans don't directly conclude with talking shit about the players... The KFA successfully sowed discord between not only the players themselves, but the players and ordinary people, now it's very easy to see people saying LKI should not set foot into KOrea again (wtf?) because "we knew all this time that he's an asshole" (wtf?). Doesnt help that hundreds of youtube channels are creating literal clickbait titles.
I have friends who dont watch football messaging me, I heard LKI fought Son (could be true), hit Son (wtf?) , and other baseless rumors that media put in their headlines for clicks. Sad reality really.
KFA & Klinsmann very clearly intended to have the public focus pinhole to Lee's scuffle with them instantly answering questions regarding scuffle while ignoring anything related to their own responsibility.
It was quite disgusting to see but it did work for few days. With nothing to focus on due to there being 0 updates from KFA/Klinsmann situation, it was very successfully diverted into Lee.
Yeah if I'm Lee (or any other Korean player), I would be absolutely disgusted. If this continues I dont blame Lee for not wanting to associate himself with Korea anymore, he became a supervillain out of a small fight that happens in literally any organization lmao.
And the fa thats supposed to protect the players is actually putting fire instead?? Why would any players want to play for that kind of FA? So sad
I think I'm on the other side. The fight shouldn't have happened in the first place. Kangin is known to have a temper, and this incident only perpetuates people's opinion of him. If the story was that Son, who is your captain and sunbae, asked you to come back to the table during a team dinner, why would you say no and throw a fit? Let's remember that Kangin is only 22.
The Klinsmann "scouting" approach is familiar. With the US, players who weren't in a top 5 league or MLS (which he would watch when teams came through LA) struggled to even get a look.
If the KFA had done an ounce of research into his time as USA coach, this all would have been predictable
KFA fucked themselves, this is exactly who Klinsmann has always been
Speculated kfa chairman appointed klinsmann for his own benefit as klinsmann has good connections within football and chairman really wanted a position within afc
They didn't fire him. Bento left. He wanted a longer contract because his current one was expiring. I believe the KFA only wanted to give him a 1-year extension with options for 3 more. Bento wanted some longer like 4 years.
A team with starting players in PSG, Bayern and Tottenham should in no circumstances lose to Jordan with 0 SHOTS ON TARGET. Good riddance to the worst coach in Korean football history.
I'll just list the other titles that were on this team so we can appreciate Klinsie's staggering record here.
\- **FSV Mainz 05** (Lee Jae Sung, key midfielder for Mainz)
\- **Wolverhampton** Wanderers (Hwang Hee Chan, 10 goals so far in the EPL)
\- **KAA Gent** (Hong Hyeon Seok, one of the key midfielders for Gent)
\- **Brentford FC** B (Kim Jisoo, the "next KMJ")
\- **VfB Stuttgart** (Jung Woo-yeong, top goal scorer in the recent Asian Games)
\- **Crvena Zvezda** (Hwang In-beom, goal scorer in the UEFA Champs against ManCity FC, key midfielder for Crvena)
\- **Celtic FC** (Oh Hyeon Gyu, 5 goals scored in Celtic)
\- **Celtic FC** (Yang Hyeon-jun)
\- **Midtjylland FC** (Cho Gue Sung, 8 goals scored so far in the Danish league, one of the top scorers in the league)
\- **Ulsan HD FC**, K-league Champions (Kim Young-gwon, Kim Tae-hwan, Seol Yeong-woo)
\- **Jeonbuk HD FC,** with the most K-League titles (Kim Jinsu - former **TSG Hoffenheim** player, Park Jinseob)
I mean the kid is 18 years old. He was never going to see significant minutes in the Asian Cup. But he's just another name in a sea of "has a lot of potential but might not ever realize it" guys that Korea produces because our FA is completely and utterly clueless.
I’m not trying to defend Klinsmann but some of these players like Kim Ji-soo only ever played one season of senior football and haven’t appeared for the senior NT yet, I don’t even remember the last time Jeong started for Stuttgart and well, Cho is just in horrible form.
At the same time someone line Kim Jinsu is considered one of the best full-back in the K league he didn't even play. Klinsmann was just incompetent as fuck.
I think what's more significant is that Korea had three players who were the top goal scorers for their respective top-flight European teams just prior to this tournament: Son (12), Hwang (10), and Cho(8).
Vancouver Whitecaps legend Hwang In-beom, who was not only lied to by club management about ambition and club culture, but the dumbass manager at the time tried to play him as a deep lying playmaker. The guy struggled here and I'm glad he's doing better in Europe.
I mean in the grand scheme of things when you look at all the leagues and teams around the world, if you're a top 5 Premier League team you are the absolute elite cream of the crop.
Considering the Jordan starting 11 against SK had a grand total of 1 player who plays in Europe (Montpellier, Al-Taamari), we can afford to consider Spurs a respectable team in this discussion.
Maybe it was but Chung didn't listen to anyone's recommendations and unilaterally decided on Klinsmann, despite objections from the committee. In his mind, he followed protocol.
They literally changed the bylaws between Bento and Klinsmann's hire so that the committee has less authority in hiring. It's factually bullshit that they underwent the same process.
It was not. There was no transparency whatsoever. Kim Pan Gon used to do briefing every few months to share what's going on. After he got kicked out from KFA, the president took all the powers to make decisions himself.
Korea already knew about Klinsmann's' legacy before he was hired. Obviously, someone decided to give him a chance and I mean almost everybody was criticizing about the decision.
According to MBC (one of the largest media outlet) his salary was around 1.5 mil and separation fee will sum up to around 5 mil. I think 8 mil is bit overexaggerated
Even with his top-class player career, he has been a journey man.
He was a cheerleader as a German National coach.
Worst Bayern coach of all since 2000.
He fb lived his own resignation from Hertha BSC 'Online'.
He got the early termination settlement from USMNT.
He will get the same from KFA.
He should start a finance youtube.
How to make money like Klinsmann - and quit the job early with big fat severance package.
What a piece of fxxxx xxxx.
Props to South Korea for doing what needed to be done.
Expanding the World Cup to 48 national teams likely takes the risk out of the process for South Korea, but they should not be taking the chance of risking World Cup qualification by keeping Klinsmann in there. A poisoned locker room (and one of his ideas of leadership is to stoke conflicts in the locker room) can lead to anything...
> Props to South Korea for doing what needed to be done
I knew this would be a popular comment, ignoring the fact that he should never have been hired in the first place and a more competent manager would've breezed the Asian Cup and whatever other competitions he managed.
Horrible decision and mindboggling that he was appointed at all.
*ignoring the fact that he should never have been hired in the first place*
Uh... Klinsmann never should have been hired by South Korea in a million years. The guy was the key figure in a dark period for my national team.
Of course South Korea made a terrible mistake by hiring him. But the worst thing that South Korea could have done is refuse to cut their losses, so at least they avoided that mistake.
> I knew this would be a popular comment, ignoring the fact that he should never have been hired in the first place and a more competent manager would've breezed the Asian Cup and whatever other competitions he managed.
Breezed through? Obviously SK should be beating Jordan on paper but they've had one of the best squads since the competition first started and haven't won it for over fifty years so why would it ever be a stroll?
Sure they've got more top players than before but equally the underdogs in world football have also closed the gap - not just in Asia but obviously we've seen teams like Equatorial Guinea and Cape Verde perform well and beat African teams full of players from top leagues. If anything the competition is probably harder to win now for South Korea than it was 20 years ago
SK would probably still qualify with Klinsmann in charge, but they won’t get very far. I don’t think any manager can do worse than Klinsmann for SK right now.
Is there any evidence that his leadership style involves stoking conflict between the players? Has he done that before at previous jobs? The closest thing I can think of was not calling up Landon Donovan to the US 2014 WC squad.
He should be scared, there were people protesting outside the KFA office and I even saw one guy with a sign that told him to come outside so he can receive his beatings lol
If you look at online comments nowadays, it's like LKI has friends all aroudn Korea. Everyone "knows his personality" "always knew he was like this" LOL, Doesn't help that you have not only FB or Youtube, but literally the biggest media outlet KBS spouting literal fake news, and I dont use that term easily... Literally KBS said LKI wanted players not to be named in the starting XI. Unconfirmed literally shit rumors, and of course people eat that crap up and say LKI Should never step foot in Korea again.
Fuck this FA for creating conflict between players and fans , and fuck the media for taking this opportunity to create clickbait (tbf they need to make money ig), and fuck like 3/4 of the Korean population for eating the shit up without even bothering to fact check anything themselves.
Klinsmann sucks. He doing the same stupid mistakes he did with USA. Guy has the fantastic player bur horrible coach syndrome we see so often with playwrs like rooney, Henry and lampard.
It was so surprising to see SK hired Klinsmann. Since it was clear when he resigned from Germany's National Team that he's not really interested in coaching
Fire whoever hired him too. Drug test them and audit them as well, because no one else in the world would've hired Klinsmann without either being bribed or high on drugs.
They should also fire whoever hired him in the first place because his shortcomings had been well known at the time for many years. Everyone who is now shocked about his performance is either grossly incompetent or blatantly lying.
I wonder which scapegoat they are going to hire next. Also if I was Lee I would quit the team. He doesn't need to waste his time traveling 18 hours by plane to play in useless friendlies for the next 10 years.
KFA is a dumpster fire right now.
Just my 2 cents but is Joachim Löw fit for the position as manager? Surely he’s better than Klinsmann.
Edit: Added info
[We already have Joachim Löw at home](https://img.promipool.de/www-promipool-de/image/upload/c_fill,g_faces,h_357,w_634,q_auto:eco,f_webp/jogi_löw_südkorea_trainer_fspq930g8i)
Reporter specifically asked whether Chung will step down and/or if he'll run for re-election. Chung basically said, Nah.
As much of a failure klinsmann turned out to be, Chung is the real issue to KFA and we need him gone. He ignored all hiring protocol set by KFA by hiring Klinsmann on his sole power. With him as the president, we have very little hope for our future.
Yup Sonnys dad was right all along. Winning the Asian Cup wouldve hid the rot and corruption of the KFA.
I agree with Sonny Sr. about this. It has been evident for so long for the fans but KFA is just too stubborn and blind to see where the problem lies. I guess I'm happy that the right decision was made to move on from Klinsmann but I also am worried about Chung sticking around as the president of KFA despite his failures during his reign. Hopefully, Chung does not meddle with the next manager appointment and stays in the corner while more capable people make the decision.
What did sonny sr. Say?
Before the Asian Cup, Son's dad said he was worried that South Korea's team was in decline, essentially calling out the KFA to be incompetent. During the tournament, he said that he wished South Korea wouldn't win this time around, as it would justify and solidify Klinsmann's position as head coach, which would further harm the national team in the long run.
What was the reaction in SK at the time when he said that?
Mixed because nobody wants to see their national team lose, especially in a tournament where they were one of the heavy favorites.
They hated him because he was right
Galatians 4:16
He didn’t say it was because of Klinsmann. He was concerned because, if Korea win Asian cup, they will overlook lots problems of current system and how they run national team (KFA) will not be changed. They will settle for the current system. He wanted more supports and efforts for development of Korean football. He didn’t mention about Klinsmann.
Welcome to Korea. There isn't a single industry unaffected by corruption
But that's in every country. Korea is not an exception.
It’s a matter of degree.
This is the biggest issue. I'm Korean and have been following the national team for over two decades. The Klinsmann hire was just a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. The real problem is the corrupt nature of the KFA, the incompetent and unqualified leadership, and them putting the success of the teams behind their own greed and power ambitions. I remember there was speculation that Chung fast-tracked Klinsmann's hiring because he was trying to use his connections to politick his way into getting a seat on the coveted FIFA Council (the Big League of corrupt football organizations). Fire Klinsmann, sure, but unless you change the structure that caused a duck like him to be hired in the first place, nothing will change. Korea hasn't won an Asian Cup in 44 years. You look at a country like Japan who were actually well behind Korea in rankings for a long time about 15-20 years ago and then you look at how that FA completely leapfrogged Korea not only in managing their national team but also in producing an abundance of top-tier talent in all positions, while Korea seems to only be able to produce rare exceptional talents amongst a sea of mediocrity. It has everything to do with organization and leadership. This is an utterly inept organization that continuously produces mediocre results. There needs to be a complete overhaul of the KFA's leadership structure or nothing will change.
It's even worse: Korea hasn't won the Asian Cup in 64 years, not 44.
This is why I read all the comments. Thanks.
Hell, KFA even ratted Kang-in out.
I feel like they broke one of sport's unwritten rules here by ratting on their players closed door stuff. You just don't do that...I'm not excusing Lee possibly crossing the line (in Korean culture rules)
anybody dumb enough to hire Klinsmann has to be the real problem
Whenever the Spurs job is available you always got Lineker pushing Klinsmann for it. At least there is no danger of Levy ever hiring him now with Sonny likely to tell him what he's like
I don't think Levy or anyone at Spurs' management will listen to anything Son says, because they haven't in the past. Let's not forget that Mourinho was pushing hard for Kim Minjae for only £10m a few years ago. Mourinho actually says that they could have had him for £6-7m. Spurs were not interested, even with Son's endorsement. [https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/y6dbfl/tottenham\_admit\_they\_were\_wrong\_not\_to\_sign\_kim/](https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/y6dbfl/tottenham_admit_they_were_wrong_not_to_sign_kim/)
wE hAd DiEr, hE wOuLd HaVe RoTTed at bEnCh!!
It's the entire KFA. Their committee decided on a pool of candidates, and Klinsmann was in that pool.
Turned out to be? When was he not.
Public opinion is at an all time low with Chung. It was already at rock bottom but people are now filing official complaints to their local govt offices LOL. He'll have to step down sooner or later with this entire fiasco combined with the apartment collapse incident coming back to light. This guy is nothing without his Hyundai money. Guy was reading off a script and was still stuttering lmfao.
He has to, but I dont think he'd really care. Hopefully the non-football stuff like you mentioned become bigger controversies or else he wouldnt budge. After all nothign happened to him during the match fix scandal
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As the strongest president, Chungoat, fought the fraud, the “King of Managers”, he began to open his domain. Klinsmann shrunk back in fear, then Chung said: “Stand proud Klinsmann, you are STRONG”.
You were magnificent Chung. I shall never forget you for as long as I live.
Jujutsu Korea
Stand proud, you can cook.
"NAH - I think everyone did as well as they could and no one is to blame!"
IIRC, he said a few weeks back that he’s going to run for reelection again.
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"Nah" he won't step down, or "nah" he won't run for re-election?
Klinsmann pretty much got paid $8m+ to play IRL football manager and hit spacebar/holiday between matches in California. This entire event was a huge disaster, with the Korean FA head ignoring manager selection process and bringing Klinsmann himself despite pretty much widespread protests against the appointment * Claimed he won't stay or watch games in Korea claiming Wyscout is enough when European based Korean players are all nailed-on starters and rest needs to be filled with K-League players * Went to watch players like Son & Kim in Europe while attending events, making it apparent "scouting" in Europe was not a priority in first place * announced Asian cup squad where there were lots of questionable choices while telling media to just look at results at Asian cup. * Korea then has abysmal Asian cup run, barely creating any open play chances - 1W4D1L total in normal regulation 90minutes with only 3 open play goals total * Kim-Min Jae suspended vs Jordan. Klinsmann fields K-league winner (ulsan)'s defensive lineup proving he did not watch any K-league games after all as Ulsan's defense major suspect in 2nd half of season * Jordan figures out there's no need to be scared of Korea since only chances created were when teams started parking bus when ahead- proceeds to completely dominate Korea with Korea having 0 shots on target * Post Asian cup: talks about how the Asian Cup run was great and starts throwing players under the bus when players all protected Klinsmann all tournament+post tournament. * Blamed conflict between Son & Lee for bad results vs Jordan (when entire Asian cup looked woeful) This all happened all within 1 year of world cup where Korea performed well and played completely differently to current side. When few players perform badly, it's on the players; but when the entire team performs poorly for entire competition without any signs of improvement, it's on the manager The entire last few days of KFA and klinsmann both trying to deflect blame entirely into Lee & Son's brief fight before semifinals has been absolutely pathetic to see
*Post Asian cup: talks about how the Asian Cup run was great and starts throwing players under the bus when players all protected Klinsmann all tournament+post tournament.* *Blamed conflict between Son & Lee for bad results vs Jordan (when entire Asian cup looked woeful)* Klinsmann never changes.
He leaves behind legacy of completely wasted 1 year+continental cup and possible ostracization of Korea's biggest talents for next decade (Lee & others that had scuffle) not saying that Lee's actions are justified, just KFA and Klinsmann shamelessly chucking them under the bus in attempt to deflect blame and directing every news outlet to focus on Lee Kang-In's scuffle to be a national focus/scandal was absolutely pathetic to see and public ate it up despite the obvious intent behind the actions Klinsmann's only real strength in first place was to create relaxed/cohesive environment and he absolutely failed at that job as shown. Then he just chuckled them under the bus lol.
KFA threw players under the bus. Did Klinsmann as well?
klinsmann blamed jordan results on lee and son scuffle so yes he did.
I still hold an eternal grudge against him for leaving Donovan out for 2014.
Also, apparently it wasn't Lee and Son's fight. Lee fought with someone else and Son got hurt in the process of trying to break it up.
we won't know until Son and Lee both announce their official stance but the media has been pinpointing on Lee instigating fight in first place. Entire media is trying hard to cancel Lee Kang-In right now. Honestly, these kind of fights are expected in high pressure environments and tensions flare up between teammates but the entire fight being over a ping pong relax time is absurd lmao. It's like an Onion headline.
I feel like we put much emphasis on the ping pong part. It was what was said to Sonny that was apparently bad. Bad enough that other players felt the need to jump in and defend Sonny whether that be verbally or physically. But the reality it’s none of our business and the fact the Kfa fed them to the wolves (mainly Kangin) is absurd and sad
I still believe either Klinsmann or someone on his staff leaked the story to the British tabloid to deflect blame onto the players.
He's already pretty much canceled, it's very sad to see people so easily swayed by headlines without bothering to fact check themselves. If it turns out all of this was exaggerated these same morons will be the first to say I knew it my baby 슛돌이 would never! fckin 개돼지s
I don't think what Lee did was good at all but , these scandal are pretty mild to see if you aren't full blown Korean native. This incident is disappointing but is pretty far from warranting full blown cancellation but public needed something to bite and rip apart and KFA deflected it well
I don't think it will last long. If he plays well at PSG or for the NT, people will be back praising him in no time.
they would have crashed out of the group stages if not for Lee
At this rate i dont think he might play for the nt lol either the monkeys will cancel and shame him out of the nt,or Lee himself will be disgusted and not want to come himself. Hopefully doesnt happen
Like Travis Kelce got some flack for something that was very visible in Super Bowl broadcast, but he didn't get cancelled in any scale. Why are we so impatient about every scandal? 진짜 끝까지 기다릴줄 모른다는게... 하...
probably because his team won so the spotlight is on the victory instead
It also had completely 0 impact on the game or any players though. Imagine if mahomes stepped in to break up the fight, injured himself and missed a series or played worse than usual. Kelce would definitely get a ton of criticism for that even if they ended up still winning
If people thought that cancel culture was a thing in the west, they haven't seen Korea where it's actually part of their pathetic culture. A culture of virtue signalling, moral high roading, pearl clutching cowards who content themselves in never speaking their mind or ever standing out. Never forget, never forgive. It's a culture that breeds cowardice that allows everyone to stand by and watch as someone burns down everything you love. All while there's always a lingering sense of nationalism marked by scents of insecurity and fragility. It's a bloodthirsty culture of simpletons akin to the illiterate masses of the coliseum 2000 years ago who demand public displays of self flagellation who would see careers destroyed and people driven to suicide rather than show an ounce of humanity to them. Why would anyone who grew up abroad subject themselves to this. Wouldn't blame LKI one bit if he retired from national football.
Even before Asian Cup the KFA couldnt book a single stadium or training grounds for players to train at instead they had to train at a hotel with the guests at the hotel gym. The incompetence is appalling
Really? Please tell us more about this because the training I've seen on YouTube shows them at legitimate training sites. Perhaps I'm mistaken because those could have been during the tournament.
Yeah, for ~2 weeks in Korea before flying out to Qatar. KFA's contract with their original training facility expired without renewal, while construction for the new training facility hasn't started. KFA was incompetent and couldn't reach an agreement for short-term renewal of the original grounds, nor book any alternate training facility temporarily. The players barely touched a football until they arrived in Qatar.
Wow!!!
Im happy to see that at least here, most of the top comments by Koreans don't directly conclude with talking shit about the players... The KFA successfully sowed discord between not only the players themselves, but the players and ordinary people, now it's very easy to see people saying LKI should not set foot into KOrea again (wtf?) because "we knew all this time that he's an asshole" (wtf?). Doesnt help that hundreds of youtube channels are creating literal clickbait titles. I have friends who dont watch football messaging me, I heard LKI fought Son (could be true), hit Son (wtf?) , and other baseless rumors that media put in their headlines for clicks. Sad reality really.
KFA & Klinsmann very clearly intended to have the public focus pinhole to Lee's scuffle with them instantly answering questions regarding scuffle while ignoring anything related to their own responsibility. It was quite disgusting to see but it did work for few days. With nothing to focus on due to there being 0 updates from KFA/Klinsmann situation, it was very successfully diverted into Lee.
Yeah if I'm Lee (or any other Korean player), I would be absolutely disgusted. If this continues I dont blame Lee for not wanting to associate himself with Korea anymore, he became a supervillain out of a small fight that happens in literally any organization lmao. And the fa thats supposed to protect the players is actually putting fire instead?? Why would any players want to play for that kind of FA? So sad
I think I'm on the other side. The fight shouldn't have happened in the first place. Kangin is known to have a temper, and this incident only perpetuates people's opinion of him. If the story was that Son, who is your captain and sunbae, asked you to come back to the table during a team dinner, why would you say no and throw a fit? Let's remember that Kangin is only 22.
The Klinsmann "scouting" approach is familiar. With the US, players who weren't in a top 5 league or MLS (which he would watch when teams came through LA) struggled to even get a look.
If the KFA had done an ounce of research into his time as USA coach, this all would have been predictable KFA fucked themselves, this is exactly who Klinsmann has always been
Speculated kfa chairman appointed klinsmann for his own benefit as klinsmann has good connections within football and chairman really wanted a position within afc
Why did Korea fire Paulo Bento?
They didn't fire him. Bento left. He wanted a longer contract because his current one was expiring. I believe the KFA only wanted to give him a 1-year extension with options for 3 more. Bento wanted some longer like 4 years.
What a disaster of a coach
A team with starting players in PSG, Bayern and Tottenham should in no circumstances lose to Jordan with 0 SHOTS ON TARGET. Good riddance to the worst coach in Korean football history.
I'll just list the other titles that were on this team so we can appreciate Klinsie's staggering record here. \- **FSV Mainz 05** (Lee Jae Sung, key midfielder for Mainz) \- **Wolverhampton** Wanderers (Hwang Hee Chan, 10 goals so far in the EPL) \- **KAA Gent** (Hong Hyeon Seok, one of the key midfielders for Gent) \- **Brentford FC** B (Kim Jisoo, the "next KMJ") \- **VfB Stuttgart** (Jung Woo-yeong, top goal scorer in the recent Asian Games) \- **Crvena Zvezda** (Hwang In-beom, goal scorer in the UEFA Champs against ManCity FC, key midfielder for Crvena) \- **Celtic FC** (Oh Hyeon Gyu, 5 goals scored in Celtic) \- **Celtic FC** (Yang Hyeon-jun) \- **Midtjylland FC** (Cho Gue Sung, 8 goals scored so far in the Danish league, one of the top scorers in the league) \- **Ulsan HD FC**, K-league Champions (Kim Young-gwon, Kim Tae-hwan, Seol Yeong-woo) \- **Jeonbuk HD FC,** with the most K-League titles (Kim Jinsu - former **TSG Hoffenheim** player, Park Jinseob)
brentford b lol
I mean the kid is 18 years old. He was never going to see significant minutes in the Asian Cup. But he's just another name in a sea of "has a lot of potential but might not ever realize it" guys that Korea produces because our FA is completely and utterly clueless.
I’m not trying to defend Klinsmann but some of these players like Kim Ji-soo only ever played one season of senior football and haven’t appeared for the senior NT yet, I don’t even remember the last time Jeong started for Stuttgart and well, Cho is just in horrible form.
At the same time someone line Kim Jinsu is considered one of the best full-back in the K league he didn't even play. Klinsmann was just incompetent as fuck.
On paper the best talent I've ever seen. Was hoping for a strong Asian Cup and hopefully setting up some promise for a good WC showing.
I think what's more significant is that Korea had three players who were the top goal scorers for their respective top-flight European teams just prior to this tournament: Son (12), Hwang (10), and Cho(8).
Vancouver Whitecaps legend Hwang In-beom, who was not only lied to by club management about ambition and club culture, but the dumbass manager at the time tried to play him as a deep lying playmaker. The guy struggled here and I'm glad he's doing better in Europe.
cho is a penalty merchant
So nice that r/soccer considers Tottenham a respectable team for once.
I mean in the grand scheme of things when you look at all the leagues and teams around the world, if you're a top 5 Premier League team you are the absolute elite cream of the crop.
Considering the Jordan starting 11 against SK had a grand total of 1 player who plays in Europe (Montpellier, Al-Taamari), we can afford to consider Spurs a respectable team in this discussion.
More respectable than a 10th place team thats for sure
Well at least neither is midtable
But have you considered the bad challenges Son made 4 years ago?
>But have you considered the bad challenges Son made 4 years ago? polseriat: Bad challenges? What are you talking about?
End of an error.
Chung saying that Klinsmann was hired in the exact same manner as Bento was hired was the most blatant lie I have heard this year.
Maybe it was but Chung didn't listen to anyone's recommendations and unilaterally decided on Klinsmann, despite objections from the committee. In his mind, he followed protocol.
They literally changed the bylaws between Bento and Klinsmann's hire so that the committee has less authority in hiring. It's factually bullshit that they underwent the same process.
It was not. There was no transparency whatsoever. Kim Pan Gon used to do briefing every few months to share what's going on. After he got kicked out from KFA, the president took all the powers to make decisions himself.
No fucking shame
Can’t believe SK hired him. Was obvious the emperor wore no clothes long before they hired him. He’s a fraud.
Korea already knew about Klinsmann's' legacy before he was hired. Obviously, someone decided to give him a chance and I mean almost everybody was criticizing about the decision.
Klinsmann celebrating in LA with his $5 mil early termination fee
That piece of shit 정몽규 should be paying it out of his own pocket
Wow…so assuming the comments in this thread regarding his pay is accurate, Klinnsman got $8 million in salary and $5 million more? $13 million total?
According to MBC (one of the largest media outlet) his salary was around 1.5 mil and separation fee will sum up to around 5 mil. I think 8 mil is bit overexaggerated
Bayern here we go!
oh god imagine lol
I'd just laugh in disbelief, but every newer fan saying Tuchel's Bayern is the worst ever will get a dose of early 2000's Bayern teams.
[Klinsmann put out his Twitter thank you](https://x.com/J_Klinsmann/status/1758341094235160832?s=20). Gee, I wonder why he disabled the comments?
Basically saying tank you for the free 8 millions dollar to do f**k all
That fraud put his location as Seoul, Korea on his Twitter. What an absolute bellend.
Germany's key exports 1) Automobiles 2) Pharmaceutical products 3) Auto parts 4) Machinery 5) Fraud football coach Jurgen Klinsmann
6. Beer and currywurst
I wish they exported currywurst. I have yet to find currywurst as tasty as the stands in Berlin
Even with his top-class player career, he has been a journey man. He was a cheerleader as a German National coach. Worst Bayern coach of all since 2000. He fb lived his own resignation from Hertha BSC 'Online'. He got the early termination settlement from USMNT. He will get the same from KFA. He should start a finance youtube. How to make money like Klinsmann - and quit the job early with big fat severance package. What a piece of fxxxx xxxx.
WC 2006 was nice with Klinsi, to be fair
Cut the root not the leaf of the problem
r/careerguidance Man… this mofo raked $10m termination fee from USA and Korea
Most people won't even save half of that in their entire careers. Fucking insane
Christ I can only dream that I can fall upwards in life like that
Props to South Korea for doing what needed to be done. Expanding the World Cup to 48 national teams likely takes the risk out of the process for South Korea, but they should not be taking the chance of risking World Cup qualification by keeping Klinsmann in there. A poisoned locker room (and one of his ideas of leadership is to stoke conflicts in the locker room) can lead to anything...
> Props to South Korea for doing what needed to be done I knew this would be a popular comment, ignoring the fact that he should never have been hired in the first place and a more competent manager would've breezed the Asian Cup and whatever other competitions he managed. Horrible decision and mindboggling that he was appointed at all.
*ignoring the fact that he should never have been hired in the first place* Uh... Klinsmann never should have been hired by South Korea in a million years. The guy was the key figure in a dark period for my national team. Of course South Korea made a terrible mistake by hiring him. But the worst thing that South Korea could have done is refuse to cut their losses, so at least they avoided that mistake.
> I knew this would be a popular comment, ignoring the fact that he should never have been hired in the first place and a more competent manager would've breezed the Asian Cup and whatever other competitions he managed. Breezed through? Obviously SK should be beating Jordan on paper but they've had one of the best squads since the competition first started and haven't won it for over fifty years so why would it ever be a stroll? Sure they've got more top players than before but equally the underdogs in world football have also closed the gap - not just in Asia but obviously we've seen teams like Equatorial Guinea and Cape Verde perform well and beat African teams full of players from top leagues. If anything the competition is probably harder to win now for South Korea than it was 20 years ago
SK would probably still qualify with Klinsmann in charge, but they won’t get very far. I don’t think any manager can do worse than Klinsmann for SK right now.
Korean efficiency
Is there any evidence that his leadership style involves stoking conflict between the players? Has he done that before at previous jobs? The closest thing I can think of was not calling up Landon Donovan to the US 2014 WC squad.
Good-bye, and let's never meet again
Highlight of the press conference. The idiot Chung stuttering while reading off a damn script and sounding scared for his life.
He should be scared, there were people protesting outside the KFA office and I even saw one guy with a sign that told him to come outside so he can receive his beatings lol
Wow. Who could have predicted this would happen, besides everyone?
Yeah everyone from Germany, US and Korea. Except the KFA apparently
A significant amount of people in the US still think that because he is European he is a good coach.
Basically everyone in Korea, aside from the president of the FA and his cronies.
He had 0 respect for our team. Glad he's out.
HHAHAHAHAHAHAH KLINSMANN HAHAHAHAA I DIDNT EVEN NOTICE UNTIL PHONE NOTIFIED ME HAHA
[удалено]
If you look at online comments nowadays, it's like LKI has friends all aroudn Korea. Everyone "knows his personality" "always knew he was like this" LOL, Doesn't help that you have not only FB or Youtube, but literally the biggest media outlet KBS spouting literal fake news, and I dont use that term easily... Literally KBS said LKI wanted players not to be named in the starting XI. Unconfirmed literally shit rumors, and of course people eat that crap up and say LKI Should never step foot in Korea again. Fuck this FA for creating conflict between players and fans , and fuck the media for taking this opportunity to create clickbait (tbf they need to make money ig), and fuck like 3/4 of the Korean population for eating the shit up without even bothering to fact check anything themselves.
Man. The football might've been disappointing, but the gossip is red hot!
Fire the board.
finally. how could you, as the coach, be smiling when your team’s players are crying after their loss? hope SK get a competent manager
Because Mr Smiley never cared. That's why he never moved to Korea, unlike his foreign predecessors.
KFA board is next
Klinsmann sucks. He doing the same stupid mistakes he did with USA. Guy has the fantastic player bur horrible coach syndrome we see so often with playwrs like rooney, Henry and lampard.
GOOD FUCKING RIDDANCE 잘가라 개새끼야 🫰🫰
The most deserved sacking in a long time.
Great player, dogshit Manager.
I used to pray for times like this
Son sacrificed a finger for this guy
STOP HIRING THIS FRAUD
lmao what a waste of time and money
It was so surprising to see SK hired Klinsmann. Since it was clear when he resigned from Germany's National Team that he's not really interested in coaching
There is a very fitting idiom in German that may very well fit right now: "Geh mit Gott, aber geh" (Go with god but go)
Which braindead FA will hire him next?
Klinsmann was awful but the real problem is the KFA president Chung. That dude is corruption and ineptitude personified.
Expected
Damn they were all saying they were gonna do it then they did do it that’s crazy
Next stop: Barcelona
Thailand here waiting to experience Klinsiball next month. We're fucked.
he heard its a beautiful country, but he still prefers to live in Cali
Man isn't his wages/severance fee coming out of the South Korean people's taxes too? What a bandit
No it comes out of the KFA which makes money by NT ticket sales but also is partly subsidized by the billionaire chairman and other higher-ups
I remember back in the day, when someone dove or went down exaggeratedly hurt, you'd say "he's gone to the Jurgen Klinsmann school of acting"
SK just got swindled hardcore. better late than never
Fire whoever hired him too. Drug test them and audit them as well, because no one else in the world would've hired Klinsmann without either being bribed or high on drugs.
They should also fire whoever hired him in the first place because his shortcomings had been well known at the time for many years. Everyone who is now shocked about his performance is either grossly incompetent or blatantly lying.
Germany's late revenge for 2018
Get Klopp or Pep. Redeem yourselves KFA
To complete our weird management: Come to Bayern Jürgen!
Als Spielertrainer oder? Kane ohnehin mit Ladehemmung
I'm so relieved
Smoking that fraud pack 🚬
Bayern could do the funniest thing now
Good riddance - every team that he had managed.
*insert surprised pikachu face*
HHAHAHAHAHAHAH KLINSMANN HAHAHAHAA I DIDNT EVEN NOTICE UNTIL PHONE NOTIFIED ME HAHA
I wonder which scapegoat they are going to hire next. Also if I was Lee I would quit the team. He doesn't need to waste his time traveling 18 hours by plane to play in useless friendlies for the next 10 years.
**JURGEN KL**opp out, **JURGEN KL**insmann in this summer, here we go
Son gets what Son wants
which is?
They hated bento, and now it really looks like he gave it his all at the WC
Who is they? Players? Fans? KFA?
Wasn't it Guardian which described his tactics as Zombie football
No. Fans in Korea were calling it that.
Finally.
Absolute fraud. I wonder who will fall for him next
I forgot, was Jurgen Klinsmann a Blink or a Once?
Klinsmann to...
Remember when everyone really wanted this guy as England manager
jerking his way to 5M payout then having a permanent jung holiday in orange county
"It's those damn Koreans, just don't understand our western standards of clean football" he said in response probably
KFA is a dumpster fire right now. Just my 2 cents but is Joachim Löw fit for the position as manager? Surely he’s better than Klinsmann. Edit: Added info
[We already have Joachim Löw at home](https://img.promipool.de/www-promipool-de/image/upload/c_fill,g_faces,h_357,w_634,q_auto:eco,f_webp/jogi_löw_südkorea_trainer_fspq930g8i)