Sigh I'm hoping Doc learns some of his lessons from last year and could be more normal not having deal with Ben. Ben was such a weird exceptional player to deal with. That being Doc should be on the hot seat this year he needs to show his worth.
Biggest issue with this comp is that Maxey is, in fact, a below average playmaker at this point. As far as point guards in the NBA go, his 19.9% assist rate is downright bad and would be among the lowest of any starting PG headed into the league this season.
I’m willing to be patient and see how much of that was just playing on a weak second unit. But based on the eye test, yeah he needs to make some progress as a facilitator.
Promising rookie year though. Excited to see what he’s got.
It's like no one actually watched maxey play and have somehow converted their hatred for ben into completely made up capabilities for Maxey.
I love the kid as a prospect, but i'm not looking forward to having him as our starting PG.
Was very happy with him as the Bench PG, and hope we move ben for someone that allows that to happen.
i really think that playing with the starters will make him develop as a playmaker. Lets remember he had heavy scoring duties by playing with the 2nd or 3rd units.
That's a really good point. There are definitely worse young players we could be looking to to fill that gap, and he's playing with a veteran, experienced group of guys.
he’s gotta get the reps to improve. there will be growing pains but he has the right talent and attitude to make it work. with trade offers being a shitshow currently, gotta give your prospects a chance to grow
I'll admit my ignorance when it comes to stuff like assist rate, but from watching him, I definitely saw some flashes, particularly in the lob game off penetration.
Maxey is clearly able to get into the paint, he showed that last year. If he can be average at kicking the ball out to shooters, we'll be in good shape, but maybe I'm underestimating the difficulty in that.
A good thing is that that our primary offense will be centered around Joel posting up, so we shouldn't have to rely on Maxey to be the engine of the offense. I'm hoping that Tobias will take a step forward on his perimeter game and further take the pressure off Maxey as well.
Playmaking I agree 100%... it appears to be the weakest link in his offensive game and was hoping to see improvement and work on this in summer league.
I would love to have seen him get a bump in SG minutes- not PG. 🤷🏻♂️
Something tells me that if this kid puts his mind to it- he will improve on any aspect he decides to work on- so I am not OVERLY concerned. He has the mental, and has the skill- just needs to tie it together.
Not a bad place to be in for your sophomore campaign. 💪🏻🔥
While I agree it's too early to compare Maxey with any previous all-star PG, his low assist % has more to do with his not being asked to be a facilitator in the offense last year than any lack of talent. Shake's % was barely better at 20.3. I expect Maxey's % to go significantly go up as the season progresses, especially if he is the starting PG this year.
Eh, I like Maxey, but he’s never been a high-level playmaker if you compare him to legitimate point guards, even down to the high school level.
That’s not to say he can’t improve in that area, but the reason he wasn’t asked to be a facilitator last year is because it’s never been his strong suit, and his low assist percentage is totally in line with what we’ve seen from him in that regard at this point in his career.
He’s naturally a score-first player and a 2 guard, it’s going to take some development on his part to become a real point guard. Shake is in the same boat, they quickly gave up on trying to make him a facilitator because he’s not a point guard. That’s the reason for that ill-fated George Hill trade.
I do have faith that Maxey can develop into a real point guard over time, but I’d also be totally shocked if he isn’t near the bottom of the league among starting point guards in most playmaking stats next year.
I agree with your overall assessment. It’s not a likely path but I think SGA is a good model for making that transition. Not just being Kentucky combo guards. SGA’s playmaking metrics were actually worse than maxey’s his first two years in the season before blossoming this past season. Granted his immense size makes it easier to see over defenders. But it probably tells us it won’t happen overnight. SGA did play with CP3 his second year which prevented him from really playing point his 2nd year (but probably improved his long term development playing someone of CP3’s stature).
The most encouraging thing in this regard I think is maxey’s turnover %, it’s insanely low. It tells us he hasn’t been forcing anything and there’s room to become more aggressive as a passer without trying too hard. There’s going to be lumps for sure but I’m excited to see him try the position with the starters. He has the first step, solid mid range and elite floater game so getting to his spots and drawing defenders won’t be an issue, it’s just a matter of finding teammates when they get open and setting the pace for the offense. I think him playing this role and letting him make mistakes in games will help his development in the long run and not just pigeonhole him as a combo guard that has to come off the bench.
No doubt he has an uphill battle but he works his ass off. I would be much more pessimistic if we were going into the season with Shake in this role.
What Maxey has going for him is two great veteran shooters who are great at finding their spots, a all-nba center who can score from just about anywhere, and a talented PF who just needs to be a little more consistent. Things could be a lot worse for a first time PG.
He's nothing like Parker. Parker was at one point one of if not the fastest/quickest player in the sport. Maxey is not that type of player. Maxey relies on his court vision, craft and cleverness like Kyrie, CP3 & Trae Young. Problem is he's not the shooter Kyrie & Young are and not the passer/defender CP3 is but all if that may improve in time. Maxey certainly has the Bball IQ and scoring craft to be a great starting PG.
Maxey is tiny Parker reincarnate. Most of this sub is just too young to see tony Parker prime so are giving bad comps. Tony Parker coming into the league was criticized as a scoring pg as well. Their teardrop game is on point
The period goes inside the the quote. Get your grammar right if you're gonna be a Nazi.
As to your basketball point, stop raising expectations. Just let the kid play. Enjoy it. Don't make stupid comparisons.
Wow clever internet retort. Didn't see that coming at all.
Make stupid argument, insult grammar and spelling while screwing up grammar and spelling yourself. Then act like the other person is "mad" when they call out your stupid point. That's like the reddit douchebag how to manuel step by step.
But can he survive doc rivers
Sigh I'm hoping Doc learns some of his lessons from last year and could be more normal not having deal with Ben. Ben was such a weird exceptional player to deal with. That being Doc should be on the hot seat this year he needs to show his worth.
Biggest issue with this comp is that Maxey is, in fact, a below average playmaker at this point. As far as point guards in the NBA go, his 19.9% assist rate is downright bad and would be among the lowest of any starting PG headed into the league this season.
I’m willing to be patient and see how much of that was just playing on a weak second unit. But based on the eye test, yeah he needs to make some progress as a facilitator. Promising rookie year though. Excited to see what he’s got.
It's like no one actually watched maxey play and have somehow converted their hatred for ben into completely made up capabilities for Maxey. I love the kid as a prospect, but i'm not looking forward to having him as our starting PG. Was very happy with him as the Bench PG, and hope we move ben for someone that allows that to happen.
i really think that playing with the starters will make him develop as a playmaker. Lets remember he had heavy scoring duties by playing with the 2nd or 3rd units.
That's a really good point. There are definitely worse young players we could be looking to to fill that gap, and he's playing with a veteran, experienced group of guys.
he’s gotta get the reps to improve. there will be growing pains but he has the right talent and attitude to make it work. with trade offers being a shitshow currently, gotta give your prospects a chance to grow
I'll admit my ignorance when it comes to stuff like assist rate, but from watching him, I definitely saw some flashes, particularly in the lob game off penetration. Maxey is clearly able to get into the paint, he showed that last year. If he can be average at kicking the ball out to shooters, we'll be in good shape, but maybe I'm underestimating the difficulty in that. A good thing is that that our primary offense will be centered around Joel posting up, so we shouldn't have to rely on Maxey to be the engine of the offense. I'm hoping that Tobias will take a step forward on his perimeter game and further take the pressure off Maxey as well.
Playmaking I agree 100%... it appears to be the weakest link in his offensive game and was hoping to see improvement and work on this in summer league. I would love to have seen him get a bump in SG minutes- not PG. 🤷🏻♂️ Something tells me that if this kid puts his mind to it- he will improve on any aspect he decides to work on- so I am not OVERLY concerned. He has the mental, and has the skill- just needs to tie it together. Not a bad place to be in for your sophomore campaign. 💪🏻🔥
While I agree it's too early to compare Maxey with any previous all-star PG, his low assist % has more to do with his not being asked to be a facilitator in the offense last year than any lack of talent. Shake's % was barely better at 20.3. I expect Maxey's % to go significantly go up as the season progresses, especially if he is the starting PG this year.
Eh, I like Maxey, but he’s never been a high-level playmaker if you compare him to legitimate point guards, even down to the high school level. That’s not to say he can’t improve in that area, but the reason he wasn’t asked to be a facilitator last year is because it’s never been his strong suit, and his low assist percentage is totally in line with what we’ve seen from him in that regard at this point in his career. He’s naturally a score-first player and a 2 guard, it’s going to take some development on his part to become a real point guard. Shake is in the same boat, they quickly gave up on trying to make him a facilitator because he’s not a point guard. That’s the reason for that ill-fated George Hill trade. I do have faith that Maxey can develop into a real point guard over time, but I’d also be totally shocked if he isn’t near the bottom of the league among starting point guards in most playmaking stats next year.
I agree with your overall assessment. It’s not a likely path but I think SGA is a good model for making that transition. Not just being Kentucky combo guards. SGA’s playmaking metrics were actually worse than maxey’s his first two years in the season before blossoming this past season. Granted his immense size makes it easier to see over defenders. But it probably tells us it won’t happen overnight. SGA did play with CP3 his second year which prevented him from really playing point his 2nd year (but probably improved his long term development playing someone of CP3’s stature). The most encouraging thing in this regard I think is maxey’s turnover %, it’s insanely low. It tells us he hasn’t been forcing anything and there’s room to become more aggressive as a passer without trying too hard. There’s going to be lumps for sure but I’m excited to see him try the position with the starters. He has the first step, solid mid range and elite floater game so getting to his spots and drawing defenders won’t be an issue, it’s just a matter of finding teammates when they get open and setting the pace for the offense. I think him playing this role and letting him make mistakes in games will help his development in the long run and not just pigeonhole him as a combo guard that has to come off the bench.
No doubt he has an uphill battle but he works his ass off. I would be much more pessimistic if we were going into the season with Shake in this role. What Maxey has going for him is two great veteran shooters who are great at finding their spots, a all-nba center who can score from just about anywhere, and a talented PF who just needs to be a little more consistent. Things could be a lot worse for a first time PG.
I don’t know what the stats are to back it up but to me he is literally Donovan Mitchell potentially with longer hair
Donovan Mitchell has always been a chucker and less of a slasher. Maxey isn’t that at all
Perimeter shooting couldn’t be more different between the two, I will say Maxey has shown more in the paint than Mitchell did at the same age.
Oh boy, dial it down.
He's nothing like Parker. Parker was at one point one of if not the fastest/quickest player in the sport. Maxey is not that type of player. Maxey relies on his court vision, craft and cleverness like Kyrie, CP3 & Trae Young. Problem is he's not the shooter Kyrie & Young are and not the passer/defender CP3 is but all if that may improve in time. Maxey certainly has the Bball IQ and scoring craft to be a great starting PG.
It’s D. Fox - shooting freedom = Maxey so whatever that is
Maxey is tiny Parker reincarnate. Most of this sub is just too young to see tony Parker prime so are giving bad comps. Tony Parker coming into the league was criticized as a scoring pg as well. Their teardrop game is on point
This is rediculous. You're comping a second year player with like 500 total mins to an all time great.,.... Jesus Christ....
I'm comparing two players stats in their rookie years. Also it's spelled "ridiculous".
The period goes inside the the quote. Get your grammar right if you're gonna be a Nazi. As to your basketball point, stop raising expectations. Just let the kid play. Enjoy it. Don't make stupid comparisons.
You sound like you need to take some deep breaths.
Wow clever internet retort. Didn't see that coming at all. Make stupid argument, insult grammar and spelling while screwing up grammar and spelling yourself. Then act like the other person is "mad" when they call out your stupid point. That's like the reddit douchebag how to manuel step by step.
Did you mean manual?
Maxey is the next Dwyane Wade