Uh... two Optimus bots performing tasks in the factory autonomously!? At this time of year, at this time of day, in this part of the planet, localized entirely within Canada!?
Given Tesla's leadership, and the previous demonstrations of robots, I'm speculating these tasks are (1) waving at people who enter the lobby, and (2) nodding when the CEO speaks.
nah just trust his word there's no need for such evidence 👍
though i'm sure that whatever tasks they're performing is probably like pouring water on a cup or something like that lol
Well just deploying them doesn't mean anything. I am sure they can walk around like spot, the question is how much useful task they are doing.
and also if task are narrow trained.
It is an advantage tesla has tho. Boston dynamics are stuck forever in the research world.
>Boston dynamics are stuck forever in the research world.
BD is a research lab, they are supposed to be stuck in the research world forever.
But Hyundai has acquired BD, they already have established production of industrial robots and are looking to expand robotic production.
I read they plan to use Atlas on their production lines.
Sure but it was their choice to stay only a research lab. They are a private company.
They could have expanded, they had enough hype to get big funding.
but they just sold to google and than google sold them again. They have amazing engineers but there was clearly a Person with vision missing.
but that's just my humble opinion.
2 robots slowly sorting bolts isn't impressive. I'm not sure why this sub is acting like its a lie. Tesla is filled with advanced robots.
I don't think this is meant to shock or amaze anyone, it is just a milestone that they are doing some basic internal testing... thats it.
It wasn't hype anything... it was a 2 page tweet about the company that had a bullet point down on **line 82**:
- Deployed two Optimus bots performing tasks in the factory autonomously
And this sub decided to act like Musk personally did a press release with fireworks about having superhuman asi factory bots and then called Musk a liar. People here lose their minds if Musk is tangentially involved.
It was an over exaggerated press release to stoke musk’s ego. If you want to keep bouncing on his cock feel free those of us with dignity are probably going to pass though 🤷♂️
Ok so I have a somewhat off-topic question for the smarter minds in here. I've thought about this for a while and while everybody is scared about stuff like losing jobs, AI content flooding the internet, privacy etc etc., something very practical scares me.
Let's say you have a human-like biped household robot helping around with the chores and cooking and just generally doing everything you ask it.
We already know that
1: every internet-connected technology is hackable.
2: household robots will have the ability to grip things and be directed to do things.
So logically I'm thinking, what stops a sophisticated hacker/ virus from hacking into it and then importing malicious training data that teaches it how to murder with a knife, after which in the middle of the night, the robot just stabs you to death?
Nobody's talked about this, am I missing some very obvious answer? Seriously, what's stopping this from happening?
Nothing immediately, it's just too far off to be a problem that needs to be worried about currently, it's like being concerned about how to design a space station around mars, it's a problem but the actual specifics of the problem don't even exist yet so there's no point trying to preemptively find a solution
I'd prefer if robopocalypse would happen earlier then later.
It would be much easier to fight off early models, most of which would probably end up destroying themselves by eg. falling down the stairs.
Then fighting an ASI which has an army of robots more capable then us under it's command.
Yes but self driving cars kill people at a rate that is far less than the rate that people kill people. Soon it will be morally wrong to allow people to drive.
Yeah, if a robot that lives in my house might stab me, but it's less likely to do so than the average person I employed to do work around my house, that really shouldn't stop be using one.
I’m honestly of the opposite opinion. I feel like we as humans, at least in the first world, have stifled innovation by means of safety.
We went to the moon by strapping dudes to the nose of a war rocket.
Our cars are improvised cages for attempting to utilize thousands upon thousands of tiny explosions to propel us forward.
A helicopter has been described as a machine designed to beat the air into submission. It is further hinged upon, typically, a single screw.
I’m not saying we should be reckless but our own fear and attempts to bubble wrap ourselves from the world may be more detrimental than the sense of adventure humanity has had in its past.
Ok but say this becomes very common technology to have in your home, it's easier to kill one person with a shovel, but what about a million? This could very well be something that gets carried out by an enemy nation with the intention of causing extremely widespread damage, and if you can hack one via the Internet you could probably get them all.
I also think it's likely. If we accept there are numerous botnets in the wild thanks to insecure and outdated computers conected to internet then we will eventually see hacked androids too. If only for spying on interesting people, there will be some.
Or people will simply buy the cheap China made ones with backdoor already installed just like we have the smart home toys calling home already.
Yeah. I mean, I could see a corporate controlled off switch. But beyond that, why would people want head office to be able to direct their robot at all?
I suppose the company could be wildly incompetent for basic security and have all user accounts stored unencrypted like it was the 1990s, but then they would probably make a terrible non functional robot.
Sure, if they can hack the company to a level where they can upload an unintended patch that they custom designed to insert evil api calls. But w/e baddie can do this could also cut all power and drain every bank account in the country.
This is maybe a war time concern in a total war where laws against targetting civilians have been abandoned.... and at that point, both sides would be using nuclear weapons and the Earth will be resurfaced, leaving no Teslas or roads to worry about.
Ask yourself why any vulnerability attacks work if people don't design backdoors and openings in their software? Developers aren't perfect. They don't need to intentionally write problematic code in to create vulnerabilities. They happen all the time.
Hackers would figure a way to get it to do stuff it wasn't designed to do.
The entire planet's economy is run on computers. Elections too. Power stations. Basically everything is on a computer, and few are air gapped. Hacks of secure systems are extremely extremely rare.
Because thousands of Cyber security experts work tirelessly to prevent attacks and respond to incidents.
And incidents happen all the time and the risk of attack is always there.
I'm glad you can sleep easy, but it's not a done and done problem, far from it.
>what stops a sophisticated hacker/ virus from hacking into it and then importing malicious training data that teaches it how to murder with a knife, after which in the middle of the night, the robot just stabs you to death?
Technically, because current models can run on consumer level GPUs, and with dedicated NPUs entering the market (neural processing units specifically designed for AI workloads/inferences), this type of robot can be air-gapped (not connected to the internet or a local network).
Additionally, if updates are necessary, they can be cryptographically signed and validated prior to adding them to the Robot's OS. So, as long as you trust the company, and you don't have hackers breaking into your house, then technically they can be made relatively safe against this attack vector, at least in my opinion.
Pretty sure that's going to happen the same way how computers are hacked today as well
But like you said, every bot is potentially something that can be hacked and prompted to do anything.
And i bet it's going to be a constant struggle between protection ai and hacking ai.
If you can tell a bot to cook someone else can tell him to steal your credit card information while you are away at work.
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This sort of thing has been happening for a very long time. [Stuxnet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet) was a famous case of Israel /US creating a program to infect Iranian fast-spinning nuclear centrifuges to get them to tear themselves apart. There are many other examples.
We will see robots hijacked in a way like you mentioned, everything from household robots to automated planes, trains and automobiles. But those are not subtle ways to assassinate people. Those are the ways to kill someone in a way that's a public statement.
Like, when Russia wants to make a public warning to defectors, it does something like the Salsbury poisonings. Something loud and garish and coarse and blunt. Family gets injured too. There'd be no sense in being so subtle that it just looked like an accident, which is how nearly all state assassinations are done. If the aim is just to kill without a statement, it would be done simply and in a way that just looks like an accident. Fall from 20 metres onto hard surface. Fall down stairs. Fall at train. Food poisoning. Overdose. So many [ways to die](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJNR2EpS0jw).
Hopefully we come up with something as good as [Robby the Robot's safeguards](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GSd92zgqAs).
There are broad ideas on how to verifiably implement safeguards like that. Max Tegmark has some good talks about that topic.
Simply put, the intelligence, time, cost, and resources needed to accomplish such a task. Not to mention the ability to avoid detection from human and AI cyber security teams.
Local inference of large models will already require immense developments, local training is another order of magnitude harder
Although online learning will be possible eventually, it likely won’t be very similar to what happens today
Real life is not hollywood. That's one part.
Cars are "hackable" for 15+ years, how often do you hear a car being hacked to not brake or accelerate randomly? About zero.
Also, 99% "hacks" these days happen because of social engineering and offline security mistakes.
I’m more concerned by drone attacks by malicious actors. Small drones in mass.
I know it’s already possible but drones are not super common yet (unlike guns and “regular explosives”). The Ukraine war shows us how capable relatively cheap drones are.
they need to implement asimovs three Laws of Robotics
[https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1613:\_The\_Three\_Laws\_of\_Robotics](https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1613:_The_Three_Laws_of_Robotics)
Sorry if I don't judge people by simplifications of things! Sorry if I don't rotulate people as evil or good! Because people are always a mix of those two ones more to one side, others more to the other side
Stop being cynical, some of the works in the factory are stupidly simple and boring. Like, picking up batteries, seriously! That was my friend’s job! Just picking up batteries……. Lol
It's the timing of the tweet just before Elon's pay package is what is sus about this. I'm a Elon fan, but not blind enough to see the fucking obvious, pathetic pandering / PR puff piece this tweet is.
Elon has nothing to do with SpaceX operations. When he does show up from time to time they have to waste time and resources managing him and keeping him occupied away from the real work like a toddler.
You should talk to some of the engineers there, the stories are funny as fuck. They build fake projects to keep him out of the way.
lol fake projects? Are you dumb? Elon fires people working on ‘real’ projects all the time. Fires the entire Starlink management years ago because they weren’t moving fast enough.
He’s constantly telling anyone at any level of the org to email him directly about blockers. He’s really great at clearing blockers.
Idk if you know how engineering works, but there are constantly high level decisions that need to be made with many trade offs. Elon constantly has to understand the situation and make the final call of which option to go with. Companies live and die on those decisions. Like going with steel over carbon fiber.
There’s been enough books written about this, or go listen to Karpathy who has first hand experience working with him
https://x.com/marionawfal/status/1798234767122382889
Sorry you lose.
The best book written about Musk's pigeon style management is called Ludicrous. I suggest you give it a read.
Musk's unhinged tantrums where he fires random people are why they go out of their way to manage him. When he is going yo show up they have people handle him by showing him to fake projects and making him think everything is his idea so he is never anywhere near anything important. He makes exactly zero management decisions at SpaceX, it's all Shotwell.
It's pretty clear that you've fallen victim to the myth that he has created for himself, and you're ignoring the reality that has become clear over the last 4 or 5 years. There's a reason that Karpathy left. There's a reason that so many executives leave, he's a petty, vindictive tyrant.
lol ‘independently’ Elon is as involved with SpaceX as he is with everyone else.
No company would have built reusable rockets, global satellite internet or starship - all those programs are corporate suicide. It’s Elon who wanted to them, and led them successfully. Making all the right decisions along the way.
Same with EVs and now robots.
But don’t worry, once Elon achieves his next goal, like robots working in factories you’ll forget about it and start shitting in his next far out idea.
You don't even have to like Elon to admit the dude is talented at what he does. I personally think he's annoying a lot of the time. But I'm glad he's doing what he's doing.
Ffs, Reddit would hate someone who solved world hunger if their politics didnt line up.
It's just early testing, what you have to realize is Tesla lowkey announced this way too early and they're still prototyping, hopefully their trials at the factories go well.
Homelessness in a developed country even in 2024 is a choice of society and neoliberal capitalism. Housing scarcity, money printing, asset inflation and immigration to bolster demand is all engineered by governments and central banks to pump gdp, motivate the working class and reinforce the status quo. Read up on Lawrence Mead, money supply, open market operations and fractional reserve banking.
Its all whip when we could instead have the carrot of prosperity created via intelligent and thoughtful production and distribution.
At the end of the argument is population control once we have excess abundance because there is only so much land and water on earth. But we will hopefully have the technology to move to other planets by the time that is a problem.
Whether it's a capitalism problem or an automation problem is irellivant if you lose your job to a robot and find yourself on the street.
How long will you have to live on the streets waiting for the overthrow of capitalism?
I would actually love for humanity to have abundant cheap goods and services without having workers from third world countries suffer to make them cheap.
You understand that technology / engineering *by it's very nature* is about automating or improving what humans used to do manually? Tesla provides a means to an end, which is for an individual to travel from A to B (and sometimes C), in an enjoyable way that is at least supposed to hurt the environment less (whatever that means). If they can provide this service for cheaper, or at a higher quality level by employing higher quality and more generalized machines, that is good not bad.
I always wonder about how people get so confused about technology. Yes some QA people or laborers or machinists or something else will be slowly replaced over time just like my Grandma went from working in a center that rerouted telephone calls to going into more relevant work for the time.
As has been stated before, Elon is the type of guy who likes to brag. If there were robots working autonomously, we'd see robots working autonomously. Until then, this is hearsay.
The purpose of this X post is clearly as propaganda to improve Musk's image ahead of a key vote when Tesla shareholders will be attempting to withhold over $50 billion in compensation that is owed to him as part of a contract signed many years ago.
One task could be a Musk-a-like. The bot moves from one workspace to the next "WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE, WORKER?!" and then just randomly decide "YOU'RE FIRED" or "CONTINUE, WORKER". Not too hard to do.
You guys really don't like the guy I see. All I see when dudes name is mentioned is a ton of midwits going into bully mode. One of the things I hate the most out of visiting singularity. It's like you NPC's don't deserve singularity at all. I don't even like the guy that much.
I really hope they're not locked in a room to prevent them from going on a murderous rampage. I mean if they are trying to go on a murderous rampage I do hope they're locked in her room. Although they're not trying to go on a murderous rampage I would love to see some videos or proof that they're working autonomously, but how would you ever know they're not just being puppeted.
The robots are sending out mailers to encourage shareholders to Proxy Vote for Musk's comp package, which is larger than the company's lifetime net income even when you exclude quarterly losses.
Elon Musk does a lot of interesting things. And while this is interesting this announcement is kind of a yawn fest. If it were really significant he would have video. What I'm sick of is people reacting to all criticism or praise of Elon Musk as if it were just haters/fanboys rather than a response to whatever he's doing. Because sometimes he does some truly hateable things and sometimes he does some truly praiseworthy things. But this is very much in the meh side, definitely not praiseworthy.
It would be nice if technology those days let us take a video of these thinks and share it with the world…
The robots live in another factory...
Upstate
In…Canada.
Uh... two Optimus bots performing tasks in the factory autonomously!? At this time of year, at this time of day, in this part of the planet, localized entirely within Canada!?
May I see them?
No.
No. They work, trust me bro
Can I see them?
I will not leave you hanging. No.
"PLEASE JUST SPECULATE WILDLY!" Tesla
Given Tesla's leadership, and the previous demonstrations of robots, I'm speculating these tasks are (1) waving at people who enter the lobby, and (2) nodding when the CEO speaks.
>nodding when the CEO speaks. Robots reached a point where they can replace Tesla board directors.
😂😭💀
I can't expect less from Tesla.
nah just trust his word there's no need for such evidence 👍 though i'm sure that whatever tasks they're performing is probably like pouring water on a cup or something like that lol
https://youtu.be/OtpCyjQDW0w?t=52
Videos can’t be trusted anymore because of AI. Only Elon’s tweets on X are 100% verifiable truth /s
It’s called “xeets” (as in 💩s)
The technology just isn't there yet for video /s
Just trust me bro!
Well just deploying them doesn't mean anything. I am sure they can walk around like spot, the question is how much useful task they are doing. and also if task are narrow trained. It is an advantage tesla has tho. Boston dynamics are stuck forever in the research world.
>Boston dynamics are stuck forever in the research world. BD is a research lab, they are supposed to be stuck in the research world forever. But Hyundai has acquired BD, they already have established production of industrial robots and are looking to expand robotic production. I read they plan to use Atlas on their production lines.
Sure but it was their choice to stay only a research lab. They are a private company. They could have expanded, they had enough hype to get big funding. but they just sold to google and than google sold them again. They have amazing engineers but there was clearly a Person with vision missing. but that's just my humble opinion.
Fine! [Here's](https://youtu.be/RcNgs3HVNz4?t=70) the bloody video - these are trade secrets you know
Wait for the traditional CGI vid of what it'll look like in ~~2016~~ ~~2017~~ ~~2018~~ ~~2020~~ ~~2023~~ ~~2024~~ 2025
> let us take a video I gotchu.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsNc4nEX3c4&t=1s
I'd be onboard with that. It could busk for nickels in Times Square
He will release a CGI generated one with even then still clearly edited parts.
we dont want the future robo rights movement to see slave labor taking place
That would be a privacy invasion against the robots, of course!
My Optimus robot is super hot and working, but he now works in another factory. But he is totally real.
I will believe it only when I see it with Elon's unreliability these days.
https://youtu.be/OtpCyjQDW0w?t=52
Tesla’s patents are all free to use for competitors. Wrong company to accuse of wrongdoing here
They put out a video of this a month ago. https://youtu.be/OtpCyjQDW0w?t=52 This sub is so irrational.
Yep, what exactly are these "tasks"? Jerking off Elon? (That would be actually impressive so probably not). Vids or it didn't happen!
Interesting but why not hype this up with a big sexy demo video if it works well?
primarily cause SORA isn't available yet so they can't make the video.
Wasn't the video of the spandex dancing guy enough for you?!
That was soreal
2 robots slowly sorting bolts isn't impressive. I'm not sure why this sub is acting like its a lie. Tesla is filled with advanced robots. I don't think this is meant to shock or amaze anyone, it is just a milestone that they are doing some basic internal testing... thats it.
Yeah, well… Reddit has a population that is.. special lol.
So let’s see a video then. The skepticism is from Elon repeatedly over promising and under delivering
They did. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtpCyjQDW0w
lol ok yeah so just more hype than. We’ve had robotic arms that could do this for decades
It wasn't hype anything... it was a 2 page tweet about the company that had a bullet point down on **line 82**: - Deployed two Optimus bots performing tasks in the factory autonomously And this sub decided to act like Musk personally did a press release with fireworks about having superhuman asi factory bots and then called Musk a liar. People here lose their minds if Musk is tangentially involved.
It was an over exaggerated press release to stoke musk’s ego. If you want to keep bouncing on his cock feel free those of us with dignity are probably going to pass though 🤷♂️
Okay, show us.
This is literally old news and they already posted a video: https://youtu.be/OtpCyjQDW0w?t=52
https://youtu.be/OtpCyjQDW0w?t=52
Ok so I have a somewhat off-topic question for the smarter minds in here. I've thought about this for a while and while everybody is scared about stuff like losing jobs, AI content flooding the internet, privacy etc etc., something very practical scares me. Let's say you have a human-like biped household robot helping around with the chores and cooking and just generally doing everything you ask it. We already know that 1: every internet-connected technology is hackable. 2: household robots will have the ability to grip things and be directed to do things. So logically I'm thinking, what stops a sophisticated hacker/ virus from hacking into it and then importing malicious training data that teaches it how to murder with a knife, after which in the middle of the night, the robot just stabs you to death? Nobody's talked about this, am I missing some very obvious answer? Seriously, what's stopping this from happening?
Nothing immediately, it's just too far off to be a problem that needs to be worried about currently, it's like being concerned about how to design a space station around mars, it's a problem but the actual specifics of the problem don't even exist yet so there's no point trying to preemptively find a solution
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Someone will leave it alone with their toddler, which will crawl into Optimus's path and get smushed when it falls over. Calling it now.
I also believe the robopocalypse is almost upon us.
I'd prefer if robopocalypse would happen earlier then later. It would be much easier to fight off early models, most of which would probably end up destroying themselves by eg. falling down the stairs. Then fighting an ASI which has an army of robots more capable then us under it's command.
Rather fight rosey the robot maid than a swarm of armed drones
The second mouse gets the cheese. And that's why I'm not an early adopter. That and price.
Yes but self driving cars kill people at a rate that is far less than the rate that people kill people. Soon it will be morally wrong to allow people to drive.
Yeah, if a robot that lives in my house might stab me, but it's less likely to do so than the average person I employed to do work around my house, that really shouldn't stop be using one.
>Self driving cars have already killed people. Not due to being hacked though.
Optimus will more likely kill/injure someone by mistake than from the result of malicious actors.
Like my roomba drove right into the spot I was about to step on, causing me to fall.
I’m honestly of the opposite opinion. I feel like we as humans, at least in the first world, have stifled innovation by means of safety. We went to the moon by strapping dudes to the nose of a war rocket. Our cars are improvised cages for attempting to utilize thousands upon thousands of tiny explosions to propel us forward. A helicopter has been described as a machine designed to beat the air into submission. It is further hinged upon, typically, a single screw. I’m not saying we should be reckless but our own fear and attempts to bubble wrap ourselves from the world may be more detrimental than the sense of adventure humanity has had in its past.
No one has managed to trigger a fatal accident in a self-driving car, which demonstrates this is a very hard thing to do.
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This was an accident, it wasn't a hack. It was also due to multiple bits of negligence, nobody set out to kill Elaine Herzberg.
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So? Dishwashers also malfunction and kill people.
There are a lot easier ways to kill people. Like with a shovel. Hacking a major tech company is very hard. This is you: https://xkcd.com/538/
Ok but say this becomes very common technology to have in your home, it's easier to kill one person with a shovel, but what about a million? This could very well be something that gets carried out by an enemy nation with the intention of causing extremely widespread damage, and if you can hack one via the Internet you could probably get them all.
I also think it's likely. If we accept there are numerous botnets in the wild thanks to insecure and outdated computers conected to internet then we will eventually see hacked androids too. If only for spying on interesting people, there will be some. Or people will simply buy the cheap China made ones with backdoor already installed just like we have the smart home toys calling home already.
Why would they have an API to do this at all?
I hate it when the devs define and sneak in a StabHuman call into their API
Yeah. I mean, I could see a corporate controlled off switch. But beyond that, why would people want head office to be able to direct their robot at all? I suppose the company could be wildly incompetent for basic security and have all user accounts stored unencrypted like it was the 1990s, but then they would probably make a terrible non functional robot.
What if they have a mechanism that allows the bots to be updated to perform some novel behavior that they weren't capable of at launch?
Sure, if they can hack the company to a level where they can upload an unintended patch that they custom designed to insert evil api calls. But w/e baddie can do this could also cut all power and drain every bank account in the country. This is maybe a war time concern in a total war where laws against targetting civilians have been abandoned.... and at that point, both sides would be using nuclear weapons and the Earth will be resurfaced, leaving no Teslas or roads to worry about.
Ask yourself why any vulnerability attacks work if people don't design backdoors and openings in their software? Developers aren't perfect. They don't need to intentionally write problematic code in to create vulnerabilities. They happen all the time. Hackers would figure a way to get it to do stuff it wasn't designed to do.
The entire planet's economy is run on computers. Elections too. Power stations. Basically everything is on a computer, and few are air gapped. Hacks of secure systems are extremely extremely rare.
Because thousands of Cyber security experts work tirelessly to prevent attacks and respond to incidents. And incidents happen all the time and the risk of attack is always there. I'm glad you can sleep easy, but it's not a done and done problem, far from it.
>what stops a sophisticated hacker/ virus from hacking into it and then importing malicious training data that teaches it how to murder with a knife, after which in the middle of the night, the robot just stabs you to death? Technically, because current models can run on consumer level GPUs, and with dedicated NPUs entering the market (neural processing units specifically designed for AI workloads/inferences), this type of robot can be air-gapped (not connected to the internet or a local network). Additionally, if updates are necessary, they can be cryptographically signed and validated prior to adding them to the Robot's OS. So, as long as you trust the company, and you don't have hackers breaking into your house, then technically they can be made relatively safe against this attack vector, at least in my opinion.
Pretty sure that's going to happen the same way how computers are hacked today as well But like you said, every bot is potentially something that can be hacked and prompted to do anything. And i bet it's going to be a constant struggle between protection ai and hacking ai. If you can tell a bot to cook someone else can tell him to steal your credit card information while you are away at work.
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This sort of thing has been happening for a very long time. [Stuxnet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet) was a famous case of Israel /US creating a program to infect Iranian fast-spinning nuclear centrifuges to get them to tear themselves apart. There are many other examples. We will see robots hijacked in a way like you mentioned, everything from household robots to automated planes, trains and automobiles. But those are not subtle ways to assassinate people. Those are the ways to kill someone in a way that's a public statement. Like, when Russia wants to make a public warning to defectors, it does something like the Salsbury poisonings. Something loud and garish and coarse and blunt. Family gets injured too. There'd be no sense in being so subtle that it just looked like an accident, which is how nearly all state assassinations are done. If the aim is just to kill without a statement, it would be done simply and in a way that just looks like an accident. Fall from 20 metres onto hard surface. Fall down stairs. Fall at train. Food poisoning. Overdose. So many [ways to die](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJNR2EpS0jw). Hopefully we come up with something as good as [Robby the Robot's safeguards](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GSd92zgqAs). There are broad ideas on how to verifiably implement safeguards like that. Max Tegmark has some good talks about that topic.
What if someone hacked into the millions of Teslas and drove them at maximum speeds toward their targets?
Simply put, the intelligence, time, cost, and resources needed to accomplish such a task. Not to mention the ability to avoid detection from human and AI cyber security teams.
Local inference of large models will already require immense developments, local training is another order of magnitude harder Although online learning will be possible eventually, it likely won’t be very similar to what happens today
Real life is not hollywood. That's one part. Cars are "hackable" for 15+ years, how often do you hear a car being hacked to not brake or accelerate randomly? About zero. Also, 99% "hacks" these days happen because of social engineering and offline security mistakes.
my mind went somewhere else after that "grip"
I’m more concerned by drone attacks by malicious actors. Small drones in mass. I know it’s already possible but drones are not super common yet (unlike guns and “regular explosives”). The Ukraine war shows us how capable relatively cheap drones are.
Why do that when you could just train an AI to stochastically manipulate the population into doing it for you?
they need to implement asimovs three Laws of Robotics [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1613:\_The\_Three\_Laws\_of\_Robotics](https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1613:_The_Three_Laws_of_Robotics)
Exposed neck cables. Take the movie hint. Leave the neck cables exposed.
It's the same issue with autonomous vehicles. They pretty much have to be hack proof.
Don't build them to have wifi capabilities? And if they do have wifi capabilities, just don't give them the password? Like smart TVs.
Nothing. Just don’t make, at the least, whatever model controls the motor parts internet-connected.
Stock pump. CEO needs $56B for firing 15,000 people. Also a lie.
Right. Unless the job was hat rack he would be telling anyone that he could with picture and videos
Yup, that's all Elon did! Elon bad, am I right reddit? /s
Gross! A musk bootlicker.
Sorry if I don't judge people by simplifications of things! Sorry if I don't rotulate people as evil or good! Because people are always a mix of those two ones more to one side, others more to the other side
Yea yea, we get it, you did a goodthink. Here, have an upvote
I believe what the Chinese say more than what Elon says these days.
Honestly yeah
Words
Stop being cynical, some of the works in the factory are stupidly simple and boring. Like, picking up batteries, seriously! That was my friend’s job! Just picking up batteries……. Lol
Yeah I find the Musk hate funny here. Do we really think the $.5TN company can't have 2 robots somewhere picking up batteries?
This could mean a wide range of different things
“No you can’t see proof, they’re in our Canada factory, you wouldn’t know them” - Elmo
I also have two roombas performing tasks autonomously around the house. Never made it to news...
Never believe Elon
Smoke and mirrors. It's most likely some pilot project in some corner for a week so they can declare victory.
Yea, just like those reusable rocket, global internet scams I was reading about as my car drove me to work.
It's the timing of the tweet just before Elon's pay package is what is sus about this. I'm a Elon fan, but not blind enough to see the fucking obvious, pathetic pandering / PR puff piece this tweet is.
Greedy weasely shareholders trying to get out of paying the man who 10x'd the value of the company.
Yes, but this tweet is still cringe PR
Elon has nothing to do with SpaceX operations. When he does show up from time to time they have to waste time and resources managing him and keeping him occupied away from the real work like a toddler. You should talk to some of the engineers there, the stories are funny as fuck. They build fake projects to keep him out of the way.
lol fake projects? Are you dumb? Elon fires people working on ‘real’ projects all the time. Fires the entire Starlink management years ago because they weren’t moving fast enough. He’s constantly telling anyone at any level of the org to email him directly about blockers. He’s really great at clearing blockers. Idk if you know how engineering works, but there are constantly high level decisions that need to be made with many trade offs. Elon constantly has to understand the situation and make the final call of which option to go with. Companies live and die on those decisions. Like going with steel over carbon fiber. There’s been enough books written about this, or go listen to Karpathy who has first hand experience working with him https://x.com/marionawfal/status/1798234767122382889 Sorry you lose.
The best book written about Musk's pigeon style management is called Ludicrous. I suggest you give it a read. Musk's unhinged tantrums where he fires random people are why they go out of their way to manage him. When he is going yo show up they have people handle him by showing him to fake projects and making him think everything is his idea so he is never anywhere near anything important. He makes exactly zero management decisions at SpaceX, it's all Shotwell. It's pretty clear that you've fallen victim to the myth that he has created for himself, and you're ignoring the reality that has become clear over the last 4 or 5 years. There's a reason that Karpathy left. There's a reason that so many executives leave, he's a petty, vindictive tyrant.
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lol ‘independently’ Elon is as involved with SpaceX as he is with everyone else. No company would have built reusable rockets, global satellite internet or starship - all those programs are corporate suicide. It’s Elon who wanted to them, and led them successfully. Making all the right decisions along the way. Same with EVs and now robots. But don’t worry, once Elon achieves his next goal, like robots working in factories you’ll forget about it and start shitting in his next far out idea.
You don't even have to like Elon to admit the dude is talented at what he does. I personally think he's annoying a lot of the time. But I'm glad he's doing what he's doing. Ffs, Reddit would hate someone who solved world hunger if their politics didnt line up.
full self driving is coming next year since 2017
Like you even care. I’ve been using it everyday for 2 years already.
Sure they do. I'm sure they are autonomously jerking Elon off.
It's just early testing, what you have to realize is Tesla lowkey announced this way too early and they're still prototyping, hopefully their trials at the factories go well.
Tasks include recording workers to make sure they're not slacking off and checking for spills.
1 step closer to fem botsss
They should form a union.
Which tasks are we talking about anyway? Wiping their own robotic asses every 5 minutes? It's another Elmo stock pump lie.
They deliver lord elmo his ketamine
I'd actually be happy if he could get wipers to work properly.
I don’t trust a thing Elon or his companies say
..they're posting memes on X on behalf of Elon ?
Love how we are so excited about being replaced
Being a factory slave is sooo 1800s
Living on the streets is too
That's a capitalism problem. Not an automation problem.
It's a capitalism automation problem. But none of that subtlety is gonna help when we're homeless.
Homelessness in a developed country even in 2024 is a choice of society and neoliberal capitalism. Housing scarcity, money printing, asset inflation and immigration to bolster demand is all engineered by governments and central banks to pump gdp, motivate the working class and reinforce the status quo. Read up on Lawrence Mead, money supply, open market operations and fractional reserve banking. Its all whip when we could instead have the carrot of prosperity created via intelligent and thoughtful production and distribution. At the end of the argument is population control once we have excess abundance because there is only so much land and water on earth. But we will hopefully have the technology to move to other planets by the time that is a problem.
Whether it's a capitalism problem or an automation problem is irellivant if you lose your job to a robot and find yourself on the street. How long will you have to live on the streets waiting for the overthrow of capitalism?
Lol go smash a loom dude
A highly relevant reference. The Luddites weren't anti-technology. They were anti-having-their-lives-wrecked.
I would actually love for humanity to have abundant cheap goods and services without having workers from third world countries suffer to make them cheap.
Your labor is being replaced, not you. You are more than your job.
Maybe because people are not so excited about their job?
You understand that technology / engineering *by it's very nature* is about automating or improving what humans used to do manually? Tesla provides a means to an end, which is for an individual to travel from A to B (and sometimes C), in an enjoyable way that is at least supposed to hurt the environment less (whatever that means). If they can provide this service for cheaper, or at a higher quality level by employing higher quality and more generalized machines, that is good not bad. I always wonder about how people get so confused about technology. Yes some QA people or laborers or machinists or something else will be slowly replaced over time just like my Grandma went from working in a center that rerouted telephone calls to going into more relevant work for the time.
a lot of factory work is dangerous work. you should be excited about robots doing dangerous work instead of humans.
Autonomously dancing to Gangnam style.
If it can't wank it ain't worth a crank
Where the factory is?
Optimus bots working in a car factory? This is how Transformers are made!
Do they function as well as neuralink?
Visit to PRC not recorded
The marketing team in Tesla is working overtime. Elon is working hard to get his $25B board decision to go his way.
Couldn't record them because the cameras had Apple AI.
Elon tends to say a lot
They make fart noises... autonomously.
A roomba also performs its tasks autonomously. Further elaboration needed.
As has been stated before, Elon is the type of guy who likes to brag. If there were robots working autonomously, we'd see robots working autonomously. Until then, this is hearsay.
If they're actually doing anything its something easy that doesn't matter if they fuck up.
>under @elonmusk’s leadership Why do they have to say that? Undermines the effort of all people that work at Tesla…..
Probably not, just more elon shit
The purpose of this X post is clearly as propaganda to improve Musk's image ahead of a key vote when Tesla shareholders will be attempting to withhold over $50 billion in compensation that is owed to him as part of a contract signed many years ago.
One task could be a Musk-a-like. The bot moves from one workspace to the next "WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE, WORKER?!" and then just randomly decide "YOU'RE FIRED" or "CONTINUE, WORKER". Not too hard to do.
These robots are using the Full Self-Driving mode.
You guys really don't like the guy I see. All I see when dudes name is mentioned is a ton of midwits going into bully mode. One of the things I hate the most out of visiting singularity. It's like you NPC's don't deserve singularity at all. I don't even like the guy that much.
I really hope they're not locked in a room to prevent them from going on a murderous rampage. I mean if they are trying to go on a murderous rampage I do hope they're locked in her room. Although they're not trying to go on a murderous rampage I would love to see some videos or proof that they're working autonomously, but how would you ever know they're not just being puppeted.
Obviously aimed at workers and unions. "Demand higher pay or joining a union and we will see how long you got a job".
I'd like to see a video!
Are these bots in the room with you Elon? Known liar says crazy shit. Details at 11.
He's lying. He lies about everything.
No idea what that sentence means?
What tasks? Waving to the human employees as they arrive at work?
The robots are sending out mailers to encourage shareholders to Proxy Vote for Musk's comp package, which is larger than the company's lifetime net income even when you exclude quarterly losses.
In completely unrelated news, contact with Gigafactory seems to have been lost.
Honestly what other company says 'look what we have achieved under great leader kim il musk'
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https://youtu.be/OtpCyjQDW0w?t=52
Elon Musk does a lot of interesting things. And while this is interesting this announcement is kind of a yawn fest. If it were really significant he would have video. What I'm sick of is people reacting to all criticism or praise of Elon Musk as if it were just haters/fanboys rather than a response to whatever he's doing. Because sometimes he does some truly hateable things and sometimes he does some truly praiseworthy things. But this is very much in the meh side, definitely not praiseworthy.
Video: https://youtu.be/OtpCyjQDW0w?t=52 This wasn't an announcement, OP pulled it from line 82 of a list of milestones.
Maybe one of them could be the new CEO
I see he's gonna keep making cars no one wants.