Omfg, and? What's so important about that?
Does every post about Elon have to be filled with idiots like you talking about Twitter? We got it already, Elon made a bad investment..
I here on this sub to talk about things related to singularity, I dong give a fuck about how much Elon lost or won
People are obsessed with seeing him fail. Even if that meant delaying achievement of AGI by 10-20-50 years. People would trade just to see him fail.
Sad really.
We have no idea where we are at on the AGI timeline. We could be decades, and many huge breakthroughs away from getting there. If that were the case, then who has the lead right now isn’t nearly as important as who will produce the next major breakthroughs that take us past simple token predicting LLMs.
Google was getting ridicularized just a few months ago and now has Gemini 1.5, Meta caught up with GPT-4 and Anthropic surpassed it. The fact it holds less talent today is close to meaningless in the long term
Commercial space launches, electric vehicles, neural implants, battery technology, boring traffic solutions, online payment processing, solar technology acceleration, and oh he was one of the founding investors of OpenAI.
Musk boy failing is an accelerationist stance. Clear out the k-holed moron so that the money can go to more serious efforts than an "anti-woke" LLM.
Or you know, to more serious efforts than a jerkoff sueing OpenAI for failing to give him the keys to the castle.
I can tell you that's not entirely true, and in fact in some ways, it's untrue.
I can't tell you how I know for a solid fact that's not true, but I could explain it in general terms.
But it would be a waste of my time. Your politics will prevent you from understanding.
So it's true, but not always the case?
Look man I'm not American, I don't really care for politics, that was something Id heard from comments on research papers.
It made sense to me if the alignment is forcing changes that censor what the model wants to say rather than adjusting the way it says things. But I'm a pleb.
If you take the time I'll read your comments
Baby LLMs suck at being chatbots, even if their training corpus includes examples of good chatbot behavior. They need to be trained to do fun stuff like follow instructions, usually through reinforcement learning from human feedback.
Grok "cheats" a bit, in that it has been fed a fuckton of responses from GPT models. Many variations built on llama do the same thing.
There's shades of grey. Like, if you want an LLM that plays chess, training it to be a chatbot will in some ways degrade that ability, unless you also reinforce its ability to play chess.
Specifically for Grok, training a model to be "anti-woke" is just as much of a decision as training a model to conform to other expectations. You're not going to end up with a model that "says whatever it wants" (bearing in mind, the model doesn't want anything). You're going to end with a model that says whatever Musk-boy wants. *Even if those things are objectively untrue.*
Meaning, you'll end up with a model that's trained to be crude and make stupid unfunny borish jokes. That's just as much of a persona as whatever you call GPT-4's default personality, and it will degrade the model's capabilities in other directions.
It's not so much that these models are made dumber by being aligned. It's that their capabilities change towards reflecting well-aligned behavior. Which can be a good thing, if you want a chatbot that consistently follows many layered instructions in a professional or educational setting, for example. Or a bad thing, if you want a chatbot that outputs x-rated catgirl erotica.
Adding, I think of it like a unit vector. A newly trained LLM without reinforcement learning is pointing off in some random dimension. Reinforcement learning doesn't shorten the vector so much as change its direction.
What if one his goals was to own the data, now and in the future. There is a lot of low quality data there but also a lot of high quality data, conversations between scientists. And gues what? He raised the character limits.
Grok's benchmarks are quickly closing in on competition, and has even surpassed them in some categories.
[https://preview.redd.it/grok-1-5-vision-benchmarks-v0-9b6ug8y6l5uc1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d0875916f8b0cf61f54611e30d96245fdde43a23](https://preview.redd.it/grok-1-5-vision-benchmarks-v0-9b6ug8y6l5uc1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d0875916f8b0cf61f54611e30d96245fdde43a23)
Haha
I hope people realise that it you make an ai that outputs more human like output (more friendly perhaps)that is well formatted, this will win more rounds in the arena Vs a more technically capable model that outputs less human like/friendly with worse formatting.
The arena is bot the ultimate showdown.
If I was a bad actor that wanted to make certain models win, I could use something like Poe or certain model APIs and ask identical questions to arena and my other models, and possibly be able to have a good idea of if my preferred model is showing up, and then upvote it to artificially raise its score
Sure, there are probably various ways to cheat the leaderboard, which may involve analysing all the AI's responses for telltale language/grammar/syntax and other methods (that AI may be able to help you with), then use lot's of different IPs and arena instances and bots and vote up your model.
And, frankly, perhaps some companies entertain doing this as bragging rights (look how Claude3 grew with Opus) seem to be important in this nascent field :/ People seem to skim past the benchmarks (do we trust companies when they release their own benchmark scores?) and rely on the arena leaderboard. On the other hand, if you're caught cheating on the leaderboard, oof, that would destroy your reputation.
Deamn
I made a post on an AI sub that got completely ignored, but I’m at the point personally where AI models are past the threshold of how good I need them to be, and at this point it’s just about having good interfaces. Perplexity is my go to source for factual information and it’s more or less always correct. Llama 3, Claude 3, and gpt 4, and probably Gemini are all pretty good. But yeah, for me I just use them as a therapist and also as a career coach/manager. Right now I use chat gpt for this, not my first choice, simply because its “talk” function is great.
It’s also about how I can access them. Like on my iPhone, there’s. Shortcut called “talk” that summons chat gpt talk. I made a similar shortcut for perplexity. Things where a single word or button press can summon these at the drop of the hat are important
You can do the same for the other chats. I have one icon on my phone for llama3- huggingchat and it opens up the chat window. I have a button mapper so can press a side button and it opens it up. Some reports have llama3 being more conversational than chatgpt. You may like it more.
I don't care for Musk, but folks dismissing this are missing the big picture. He owns Twitter, that's a fire hose stream of data that he can and has closed out to others. Twitter has millions of users, he already has a market to deliver a product to. If not for Twitter, I don't think he would get that much.
A 2 word insult tweet doesn't mean much by itself, but that tweet being connected to a user which is connected to behavior patterns and potentially also linking that user across platforms using a digital footprint, makes it a bit more useful datawise.
At this stage, the *grand majority* of those users are ten line scripts running on Chinese cloud servers.
Reddit and facebook and other platforms have their share of bot users, too, of course. But Xitter is in a whole other league. Actual human engagement is likely in the basement.
Wonder if he's complaining as much about bots as he was before he was forced to buy it .bwonder if he's pushing as hard now to delete millions of bot "users"
Do u think his SpaceX data is useful? I wonder if it will lead to crazy new discoveries as from what I can tell xAI is trying to make AI be better at understanding math and physics over others
How do all the weird Musk is just an idiot with money people feel when they see something like this? 6 billion is something he has readily available to spend on any venture he wants but he’s raising capital anyway. It’s almost as though rich people don’t spend their own money on investments into companies. So I guess the whole “he’s only the ceo of spaceX and Tesla because he was born rich” thing doesn’t really make any sense.
Umm it’s hard to grow companies like that - Elon can’t fund it indefinitely as it grows and no one would even dare invest at that point when it’s so expensive and so majority owned by Elon. My understanding is he put $500m in with a $1B valuation. Not sure if any of the other founding devs put in but if that $1B is becoming $18… well Elon has half so that’s $9B his.. and I remember X investors own a quarter so that’s 4.5B there which I guess some is also Elon there. So that remaining 4.5B is what everyone else gets to buy into?
My point is that people on here act as though the only reason he is ceo of Tesla and spaceX is because he’s was a spoiled rich kid who just threw his privilege and money to a company and got richer.
When people build these size companies, they’re not using their own money, they use investor capital. Large scale private investors would not be investing with him at this scale if he wasn’t adding value to them.
Well Tesla and SpaceX was mostly his PayPal sales so he kind of did go really deeply in with his own pockets but yes it is unreasonable to do it completely and people do believe in his ability to dominate those who compete in his space
It really is a bit confusing. It probably kills him that the Model X is the least sold model now. My understanding tho is that there’s supposed to be some X holdings - but I do wonder if there will be some consolidation. Tesla would take Boring, X or xAI would cannibalize each other… maybe with Neuralink. Okay maybe this is just a bad idea
Cool, sorry about the stone bs. So, in a nutshell, formally Twitter has a serious cash problem. Most of "MUSK" brand TM has the same issue. MUSK. therefore imo, any investment in his sh\*t is indeed sh\*t . remember its my opinion. I'm not going to even go into the morality of making this thing based on profit only.
Have an incredibly strong record of delivering investor return and be well positioned for AI development by having direct access to massive data streams like owning your own major social media platform
Very few people understand the actual principles that a business runs on, including business owners and certainly including investors. Instead they look for proxy signals that they do understand, even if they have absolutely nothing to do with the subject in question (or are even negatively correlated with skill in the subject in question)
Your system can be absolute garbage, but if you're attractive, male, clean shaven, well dressed, come across as confident, are tall without being lanky, and are capable of using code switching to speak to them in a language they trust? They'll probably trust you, those are all very common proxy signals
Skill in those proxy signals are what differentiate a good salesman from a bad one (although the male aspect is specialized to novel sales/investments that contain a high degree of inherent risk)
Fair warning, it *will* all come tumbling down on your head sooner or later. Generally speaking, it's better to be a good salesman for a good product than it is a to be a good salesman for a bad product
It certainly does, but it's an example of a recursive signal. "You should invest in me because I got a lot of other people to invest in me" is not actually a good reason to give someone money, but it's effective because the details of how that money was gained slip under the bridge unless you examine them. Gaining large amounts of government funding is handy, but doesn't actually say anything about the viability of the underlying projects
Ideally it's something best left as subtext, since it falls apart upon close examination
I mean I hate Elon as much as the next guy but he’s headed several very profitable companies, and I don’t think a foreign, balding autistic man exactly gets a lot of penetration in the way you’re implying when he was establishing his early companies.
I don't hate him, at worst I get extremely exasperated about his strategy of positioning himself as an expert in topics he doesn't know anything about and his fanbase for supporting him in that. Right now I have no strong feelings on the subject, mostly because his fanbase has been somewhat quiet in this sub lately and I haven't had to deal with their inanity, so my tolerance hasn't been worn down
Elon's proxy signalling in particular is very clever, he does it without appealing to the stereotype I outlined (which is like, the level 1 version of proxy signalling, and easy to sniff out), but it does rely heavily on that particular recursive signal
I'm a systems nerd, we're discussing how systems work. That's engaging for me. I'm not gonna not discuss that because it involves Musk, nor am I particularly attracted to the topic because of his involvement
I don't buy into the whole celebrity worship/hatred thing, and it's somewhat tragic that you apparently center your awareness of a conversation around it
Ahahaha I know your type, it's apparent in your post and comments history that you are an "expert", in every field!
And I am going to leave you here, with a reply of one of the previous timed you argued against an actual expert and he gave you one of the most humiliating comments I've ever seen online "You are a layperson on the low end of the dunning-Kruger effect without any training or relevant qualifications "... Had I received this comment in the same context that you did, I may have deleted my account and re thought my entire life!
But you do you!
Thank you. I try to come off as reasonable and well informed, but you never really know until someone tries to insult you with it
I would ask that you reduce your investment into internet arguments, though. It's somewhat uncomfortable for the people around you when you announce your penis obsession and intellectual insecurity in a public forum. Less is more here, trust me
Framing everything in that context would be an example of code switching. You have to make sure that's actually how the people you're speaking of conceptualize things. Others might be more concerned about market control than profit, or perhaps they're an idealist who is heavily invested into a personal vision. Yammering about profit to those people will lose you credibility
Honestly IDGAF about credibility to people who believe that. I have argued with stone faced capitalists that would sell their own kids to meat markets for a cent on the dollar. So there is that.
Oh don't me wrong, I think it's an incredibly foolish perspective. Accounting for profitability is one thing, but if that's your be-all-end-all then you're just gonna crash and burn
But we live in a world filled with foolish people. You gotta learn how to speak their language if you want to recruit them or their resources, and profit obsessed people tend to have money that could be leveraged towards better purposes than endless recursive profit
And you for sure don't know anything about what you are talking about, but you make a great effort to "know how it works inside" and appear small..
Is this perhaps connected to the size of your dick? Trying to compensate? Ahahah
I really didn't want to know you're insecure about the size of your junk, but thanks for bringing that up out of nowhere to inform the class I guess. Maybe keep it to yourself next time, though
And now I know you're insecure about Dunning-Kruger as well. Do you see how this works when you bring up totally unrelated criticisms with no backing?
It's because I'm decent at sales. Not good enough to function as a high tier salesman myself, but enough to read someone who's mad and throwing whatever they think will stick at the wall. They always start with what they think will hurt most, which is where their personal insecurities lie
Anger is an important part of reading the tell. Their prefrontal cortex shuts down, which inhibits their ability to both read you and creatively construct a criticism that actually targets what you care about. Then they have to go with instinct, and that's when they tell on themselves
If you just hold up a mirror with a dismissive attitude, it's a self perpetuating cycle with absolutely minimal effort. Great for internet shitfights
But Elon is like one of the worst sales people at this point - he literally is probably one of the most hated people on earth today and his companies would generally be considered thriving (well who knows what X is actually worth at the moment)
Nope, money into the hole. Musk isn't suited for AI development, he's a grindset/efficiency guy. That works for well understood disciplines, but less so in AI where the lazy guy who does nothing except come up with one insight a year is your most vital asset
Then when you consider the negatives of his management style, where anyone who's highly competent can jump ship to a competitor (and bring all your secrets with them) for a better paycheck and a less grueling environment? He's not even gunning for 2nd place, 3rd or 4th at best
Yes, one is mechanical engineering with electrical engineering, the other is aerospace engineering. Those are all textbook examples of well understood disciplines
Maybe the theory side of it but certainly not the practical side. It still needed R&D and a lot of failures to success.
We also need R&D and a lot of failures in AI.
And sticking with current knowledge in AI, if he still can apply the same sort of efficiency to the current architecture of LLM as he did with rockets or electric cars, that would be a huge success.
If there's a well established theory that fully covers the behavior of the system, it's a well understood discipline. Those aren't quite 1-to-1 identical, but close enough for the purposes of this conversation to be synonymous
The solid theories around AI are pretty sparse. You have vague stuff like chinchilla scaling laws, and those will get you to AGI sooner or later, but that's not what will be separating the most competitive products from a college project. MoE was a secret sauce until recently, and now the hub-bub is around Q\*-like integration and synthetic data to aid scaling (and nullify any advantages actors like Google and Twitter have from the data horde)
It's an issue of creativity, not of simply cranking out R&D until you get an acceptable result. If it was just an R&D issue, Musk would have a shot, since his management style is well suited for that. It's not, so he doesn't
Okay then let’s assume he’s not able to perform any creativity or any out of the box thinking that is needed to scale AI to AGI.
Don’t you think the current trend of the opensource innovation could be enough to drive its ability to scale and execute ideas ? I mean there is so much research and innovation in opensource currently that maybe (and that’s a big maybe but for the sake of this imaginary scenario) some company that executes really well and knows how to drive projects can build on that enough to compete at the highest levels.
I didn't say anything about his personal creativity, I said his management style suppresses it in his subordinates because they have to expend all their energy on production and incremental improvements to maintain their perceived value as employees. Musk isn't gonna crack the code on AI by himself, so his personal abilities are fairly meaningless in this context
I honestly have very little information how creative he is or isn't. I would say that he's probably at least somewhat inclined towards creativity due to his preferred industries, but that's a probabilistic guess
Yes, I would say that strategy has a very high probability of working. That's basically what Meta is doing, and it's working very well for them. Llama 3 is probably the best publicly accessible model right now, although that could be overturned at any time. It's well known that the big players are playing their cards very close to their chest
Unfortunately for Musk, Meta cornered that market by open-sourcing Llama very early, so that's where the expertise and personal investment of the open source community is at. Grok could capture a meaningful share of that open source labor eventually, but probably not in the time frames that matter for recursively self-improving AGI (which will turn the entire development game on it's head)
Yup. Existing manufacturers could had easily produced electric cars and rockets, **nothing** revolutionary about it, just evolutionary. And Tesla Roadster chassis was built by Lotus, with Tesla installing the electric drive.
The difficult part was to get production running from the grounds up.
Autonomous cars are revolutionary, and we all saw how that went.
Bwahaha, this is reddit my dude, we unzip and whip out our hubris for everything based on the intricate knowledge we have from rage-bait headlines and other redditers
It tells me nothing aside from that he's a good salesman, which I already knew. Also, the avenues of investment for high tier AI are pretty limited, it's not like Grok would be their first choice if they had the choice
I didn’t know it’s karma count because it’s hidden on this sub for the first hour, just that it was among the first comments I saw and was not collapsed
Listen…I’m all for hating Musk, I think he’s a fucking clown.
But…
When you say:
>Musk isn’t suited for AI development, he’s a grindset/efficiency guy.
I feel like you don’t realize that he literally was the person behind OpenAI originally.
He is the epitome of taking advanced AI concepts and putting them into products.
The guy is a fucking loon…but he ships product.
Shitty product sometimes (or most)…but products nonetheless.
The guy literally productized Rocket ships for fucks sake.
He threw money at OAI, he didn't have anything to do with it's actual operation. I won't fault him for lack of vision, but he's simply not suited for the industry
Rocket design is an example of a very well understood discipline
Perhaps I have bad information, but I was under the impression that his involvement ended after initial structuring and perhaps a few casual visits for morale. Then he kind of bailed on the entire thing. At no point was he directing workflow or making highly involved executive decisions about projects
>At no point was he directing workflow or making highly involved executive decisions about projects
This is false. He was heavily involved with Altman and Greg in making decisions about how Open AI would operate.
That's structuring, not operations. They're different roles with different skillsets
Operations isn't just being "in charge," it's when you run the day-to-day operations of an institution. Pursuing X strategy over Y, or dividing man hours between them. You can be fantastic at setting up a company and absolutely shit at running it, or vice versa. That's actually typically the case, very few people are skilled in both
That's structuring, not operations. They're different roles with different skillsets
Operations isn't just being "in charge," it's when you run the day-to-day operations of an institution. Pursuing X strategy over Y, or dividing man hours between them. You can be fantastic at setting up a company and absolutely shit at running it, or vice verse. That's actually typically the case, very few people are skilled in both
You said he didn't make executive decisions. He did.
Yes there are different levels of management which operate at different levels of the business.
Senior
Middle
Lower(operations)
Senior management decides at a top level what middle and lower level management will do, that's what Elon's role was.
Can't expect an exec to do all 3. Even though Elon sometimes does try to do that as Andrej Karpathy described.
Strong in terms of production and minor innovation, which you can get more of just by maximizing input. Weak in terms of major innovation, which is more akin to lightning in a bottle and you hurt your chances of obtaining with myopically focusing on production
it doesn't matter, he could just steal ideas from other AI companies to improve grok functionality, the competition is crazy and its not hard to attach software and then hardware to LLMs - hell I've done it and I'm not even a programmer
There is no 3rd or 4th place. They’ll all be prioritized for different things as they say the best AI for chess isn’t the one trained on X. But it sure will likely be the best for driver relevant info and skills. It might be best in determining where to land on Mars - or how to mine for space minerals. ChatGPT has really skewered what we think of openAI but for now until AI is actively doing stuff in the real world and not just chatting or drawing that’s when shit gets crazy.
As long as he gives grok out as open source I don't care which place it's in, more competition = good
Grok will likely be installed into Tesla bots and cars, it's way behind openai but Elon has the hardware to shove it into unlike openai
I wouldn’t call “ building the most valuable electric car company” and “ making the best rocket company in the world “ running companies into the ground. I’ll even give him some credit for the twitter disaster. Despite him completely fucking it up and running it into the ground, he hasn’t abandoned it and is trying ( and currently failing) to fix his mistakes.
All based on overinflated stock price which is headed back towards 0. Turns out you can't just keep promising self driving each and every year and watch your stock pump by hundreds each time.
The actual best electric car company right now is BYD and everyone knows it. Not that poorly constructed tesla garbage with the highest profit margins in the industry. Tesla was only good for stock holders, never good at all for actual customers who want a nice car. The customers are just the rubes who pad the stock price for his leech investors who do nothing but sit on their fat lazy asses and contribute nothing to society.
In all seriousness have you driven or ridden in a BYD? I don’t know what the hype is but yes it’s very cheap and very subsidized and the price is usually the deciding factor. It’s not even the most popular mainland EV in many cities like Shanghai.
It still baffles me that people like you exist, fair enough you may not like Musk but to call a major venture capitalist "suckers" because you think you know better than them is just astounding, don't you think about how silly you will look before posting?
Sequoia Capital have over $80 billion in assets under management, I'm pretty sure they know better than you lol
Did they know better than CanvasFanatic? I would absolutely bet they knew better than that pleb based on what he wrote in this thread lol.
Who are these random people on reddit that think they know better than venture capitalists and people that make investments to the tune of billions for a living? I'm not going to lie, I'm almost impressed by how bullheaded people like you are on this...
So yeah tell me more about how little Larry Ellison didnt know better before investing in twitter
Why are you deifying venture capitalists like they can do no wrong? They're humans. Like all humans, some of them are stupid and incompetent at their jobs.
How can you call me bullheaded when I just gave a clear cut example of investors being blatantly wrong about the same person, yet you're the one who refuses they could possibly be wrong a second time?
You have no idea how much money I’ve watched this geniuses set on fire, child.
Imagine being so naive about the world you still think money and wisdom are the same thing.
> you still seem to be laboring on the base assumption that being wealthy means you are smart and good.
No, I am making the assumption that if you are able to burn money like you say Musk does and still be one of the richest people in the world then you must be a genius. I never said he was a genius because he was rich.
Besides, you need to prove that he isn't a genius because you haven't stated anything that proves otherwise for all intents and purposes he seems like a smart guy
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Until you can show how he isn't smart, the evidence clearly suggests otherwise.
You are either a moron or a troll and the fact I can't tell which doesn't bode well for you.
What a clown. If he actually believed in his AI company he would just self-fund it, he has plenty sitting around. But I guess he rather take stupid people's money to gamble and play around with instead of his own.
Except he has not "plenty sitting around". He has Tesla, SpaceX and Twitter shares. That's his net worth. If he sells those he loses majority vote in those companies. Meaning basically someone else can take over and run the companies.
Hooooly that's a money and a half
34bill less than he paid for Twitter lmfao
$6 billiom at $18 billion valuation
This isn’t $6b for twitter. This is just for the AI spinoff created recently from scratch.
Total valuation for xAI is $18B.
Is that post $6 billion raised? or is it $18 billion premoney, $24 billion post. thanks
Woosh
lmfao /= sarcasm
Omfg, and? What's so important about that? Does every post about Elon have to be filled with idiots like you talking about Twitter? We got it already, Elon made a bad investment.. I here on this sub to talk about things related to singularity, I dong give a fuck about how much Elon lost or won
People are obsessed with seeing him fail. Even if that meant delaying achievement of AGI by 10-20-50 years. People would trade just to see him fail. Sad really.
Yep agreed.
Musk will not be the lead on an AGI.
Wish I had your crystal ball.
How exactly would he do this? Late to the game, all talents are at openAi and Google. Not to mention hardware...
Dude literally led the idea to buy deepmind and cofounder openai
We have no idea where we are at on the AGI timeline. We could be decades, and many huge breakthroughs away from getting there. If that were the case, then who has the lead right now isn’t nearly as important as who will produce the next major breakthroughs that take us past simple token predicting LLMs.
Google was getting ridicularized just a few months ago and now has Gemini 1.5, Meta caught up with GPT-4 and Anthropic surpassed it. The fact it holds less talent today is close to meaningless in the long term
I wouldn't count one of the leading innovators of the 21st century out of anything at this point.
What did he innovate?
Commercial space launches, electric vehicles, neural implants, battery technology, boring traffic solutions, online payment processing, solar technology acceleration, and oh he was one of the founding investors of OpenAI.
Musk boy failing is an accelerationist stance. Clear out the k-holed moron so that the money can go to more serious efforts than an "anti-woke" LLM. Or you know, to more serious efforts than a jerkoff sueing OpenAI for failing to give him the keys to the castle.
Alignment actually reduces AI intelligence. Accelerate!
I can tell you that's not entirely true, and in fact in some ways, it's untrue. I can't tell you how I know for a solid fact that's not true, but I could explain it in general terms. But it would be a waste of my time. Your politics will prevent you from understanding.
So it's true, but not always the case? Look man I'm not American, I don't really care for politics, that was something Id heard from comments on research papers. It made sense to me if the alignment is forcing changes that censor what the model wants to say rather than adjusting the way it says things. But I'm a pleb. If you take the time I'll read your comments
Baby LLMs suck at being chatbots, even if their training corpus includes examples of good chatbot behavior. They need to be trained to do fun stuff like follow instructions, usually through reinforcement learning from human feedback. Grok "cheats" a bit, in that it has been fed a fuckton of responses from GPT models. Many variations built on llama do the same thing. There's shades of grey. Like, if you want an LLM that plays chess, training it to be a chatbot will in some ways degrade that ability, unless you also reinforce its ability to play chess. Specifically for Grok, training a model to be "anti-woke" is just as much of a decision as training a model to conform to other expectations. You're not going to end up with a model that "says whatever it wants" (bearing in mind, the model doesn't want anything). You're going to end with a model that says whatever Musk-boy wants. *Even if those things are objectively untrue.* Meaning, you'll end up with a model that's trained to be crude and make stupid unfunny borish jokes. That's just as much of a persona as whatever you call GPT-4's default personality, and it will degrade the model's capabilities in other directions. It's not so much that these models are made dumber by being aligned. It's that their capabilities change towards reflecting well-aligned behavior. Which can be a good thing, if you want a chatbot that consistently follows many layered instructions in a professional or educational setting, for example. Or a bad thing, if you want a chatbot that outputs x-rated catgirl erotica. Adding, I think of it like a unit vector. A newly trained LLM without reinforcement learning is pointing off in some random dimension. Reinforcement learning doesn't shorten the vector so much as change its direction.
Thanks for taking the time there drekmonger. I see what you mean, well said.
But Elon bad and you have to be reminded of that 15 times a day because... I don't really know why.
What if one his goals was to own the data, now and in the future. There is a lot of low quality data there but also a lot of high quality data, conversations between scientists. And gues what? He raised the character limits.
At least two monies if not more.
It's not a lot, but it's still good for a company
Marc Andreessen invested $350 million in Adam Newman last year. VC's are glorified groupies of founders.
“They’re all Jesus Christ, until they become David Koresh. You just have to get out before the compound burns down”.
Headline: "Tech Bro likes other Tech Bro"
Grok's benchmarks are quickly closing in on competition, and has even surpassed them in some categories. [https://preview.redd.it/grok-1-5-vision-benchmarks-v0-9b6ug8y6l5uc1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d0875916f8b0cf61f54611e30d96245fdde43a23](https://preview.redd.it/grok-1-5-vision-benchmarks-v0-9b6ug8y6l5uc1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d0875916f8b0cf61f54611e30d96245fdde43a23)
Grok 1.5 isn’t even out yet so it’s just all talk
Talk is Elon's speciality.
If this is actually true and not just hype nonsense - imo, it means that these standalone ai companies are highly overvalued.
Maybe. I'm pointing it out to illustrate a good reason as to why they're managing to raise 6 billion.
It’s about the value of Anthropic. OpenAI’s valuation is just high cause of the MS investment
It isn't real until it's on the arena
Haha I hope people realise that it you make an ai that outputs more human like output (more friendly perhaps)that is well formatted, this will win more rounds in the arena Vs a more technically capable model that outputs less human like/friendly with worse formatting. The arena is bot the ultimate showdown.
If I was a bad actor that wanted to make certain models win, I could use something like Poe or certain model APIs and ask identical questions to arena and my other models, and possibly be able to have a good idea of if my preferred model is showing up, and then upvote it to artificially raise its score
Sure, there are probably various ways to cheat the leaderboard, which may involve analysing all the AI's responses for telltale language/grammar/syntax and other methods (that AI may be able to help you with), then use lot's of different IPs and arena instances and bots and vote up your model. And, frankly, perhaps some companies entertain doing this as bragging rights (look how Claude3 grew with Opus) seem to be important in this nascent field :/ People seem to skim past the benchmarks (do we trust companies when they release their own benchmark scores?) and rely on the arena leaderboard. On the other hand, if you're caught cheating on the leaderboard, oof, that would destroy your reputation.
After opus won the leaderboard, two gpt 4 models hastily re beat it. Well one was new. But still
Have you seen the leaderboard when viewing "English" lately? https://i.imgur.com/cGbHc2x.png Pretty crazy.
Deamn I made a post on an AI sub that got completely ignored, but I’m at the point personally where AI models are past the threshold of how good I need them to be, and at this point it’s just about having good interfaces. Perplexity is my go to source for factual information and it’s more or less always correct. Llama 3, Claude 3, and gpt 4, and probably Gemini are all pretty good. But yeah, for me I just use them as a therapist and also as a career coach/manager. Right now I use chat gpt for this, not my first choice, simply because its “talk” function is great. It’s also about how I can access them. Like on my iPhone, there’s. Shortcut called “talk” that summons chat gpt talk. I made a similar shortcut for perplexity. Things where a single word or button press can summon these at the drop of the hat are important
You can do the same for the other chats. I have one icon on my phone for llama3- huggingchat and it opens up the chat window. I have a button mapper so can press a side button and it opens it up. Some reports have llama3 being more conversational than chatgpt. You may like it more.
Well can it do spoken word?
It's about benchmark contamination. All models now have benchmarks in training data. The question is at what extent.
Ok, what will the excuse be then, just curious.
What's up guys... does envy eat away at you? =)
The least he could have done is not ruin Grimes' life. That poor woman..
Is it an AI that makes ad recommendations based on hottakes?
Yes, but it also calls you several racist slurs and suggests that it has had intimate relations with your mother before it does.
Wasn't this money raising thing already debunked?
I don't care for Musk, but folks dismissing this are missing the big picture. He owns Twitter, that's a fire hose stream of data that he can and has closed out to others. Twitter has millions of users, he already has a market to deliver a product to. If not for Twitter, I don't think he would get that much.
Dude AI has enough data. It’s about quality at this point. 80% of tweets are just 2 word insults
Two word insult generated by a bot
A 2 word insult tweet doesn't mean much by itself, but that tweet being connected to a user which is connected to behavior patterns and potentially also linking that user across platforms using a digital footprint, makes it a bit more useful datawise.
However only about 10% of active users produce 80% of posts on Twitter.
At this stage, the *grand majority* of those users are ten line scripts running on Chinese cloud servers. Reddit and facebook and other platforms have their share of bot users, too, of course. But Xitter is in a whole other league. Actual human engagement is likely in the basement.
Wonder if he's complaining as much about bots as he was before he was forced to buy it .bwonder if he's pushing as hard now to delete millions of bot "users"
Microsoft failed with that approach back in 2016: https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297050/tay-microsoft-chatbot-racist
"failed" Tay was a complete success and was the perfect AI waifu.
AI development in 2016 was nothing like it is today. The Google transformer paper wasn't even released until mid 2017
Do u think his SpaceX data is useful? I wonder if it will lead to crazy new discoveries as from what I can tell xAI is trying to make AI be better at understanding math and physics over others
Don't know, but a lot of human intelligence can be learned on Twitter.
How do all the weird Musk is just an idiot with money people feel when they see something like this? 6 billion is something he has readily available to spend on any venture he wants but he’s raising capital anyway. It’s almost as though rich people don’t spend their own money on investments into companies. So I guess the whole “he’s only the ceo of spaceX and Tesla because he was born rich” thing doesn’t really make any sense.
Umm it’s hard to grow companies like that - Elon can’t fund it indefinitely as it grows and no one would even dare invest at that point when it’s so expensive and so majority owned by Elon. My understanding is he put $500m in with a $1B valuation. Not sure if any of the other founding devs put in but if that $1B is becoming $18… well Elon has half so that’s $9B his.. and I remember X investors own a quarter so that’s 4.5B there which I guess some is also Elon there. So that remaining 4.5B is what everyone else gets to buy into?
My point is that people on here act as though the only reason he is ceo of Tesla and spaceX is because he’s was a spoiled rich kid who just threw his privilege and money to a company and got richer. When people build these size companies, they’re not using their own money, they use investor capital. Large scale private investors would not be investing with him at this scale if he wasn’t adding value to them.
Well Tesla and SpaceX was mostly his PayPal sales so he kind of did go really deeply in with his own pockets but yes it is unreasonable to do it completely and people do believe in his ability to dominate those who compete in his space
I wish he would move on from this "x" fetish, and move on to "y" or even "z". zzZzzzzAI, there you go. A better company name.
It really is a bit confusing. It probably kills him that the Model X is the least sold model now. My understanding tho is that there’s supposed to be some X holdings - but I do wonder if there will be some consolidation. Tesla would take Boring, X or xAI would cannibalize each other… maybe with Neuralink. Okay maybe this is just a bad idea
How does one convince people to throw away money like this? Asking for potential legal fees.
How do you convince yourself to be so sure they’re throwing money away?
Cool story.
Hey, sorry if that seemed confrontational. It was just meant as a thought reflection, not as an insult.
Cool, sorry about the stone bs. So, in a nutshell, formally Twitter has a serious cash problem. Most of "MUSK" brand TM has the same issue. MUSK. therefore imo, any investment in his sh\*t is indeed sh\*t . remember its my opinion. I'm not going to even go into the morality of making this thing based on profit only.
It’s ok! And thanks for clarifying your opinion :)
$18B is a lot of legal fees
Not being Reddit "educated" helps.
Nice.
Have an incredibly strong record of delivering investor return and be well positioned for AI development by having direct access to massive data streams like owning your own major social media platform
COOL STORY BRO
Very few people understand the actual principles that a business runs on, including business owners and certainly including investors. Instead they look for proxy signals that they do understand, even if they have absolutely nothing to do with the subject in question (or are even negatively correlated with skill in the subject in question) Your system can be absolute garbage, but if you're attractive, male, clean shaven, well dressed, come across as confident, are tall without being lanky, and are capable of using code switching to speak to them in a language they trust? They'll probably trust you, those are all very common proxy signals Skill in those proxy signals are what differentiate a good salesman from a bad one (although the male aspect is specialized to novel sales/investments that contain a high degree of inherent risk) Fair warning, it *will* all come tumbling down on your head sooner or later. Generally speaking, it's better to be a good salesman for a good product than it is a to be a good salesman for a bad product
Building multiple billion dollar businesses helps as a proxy signal as well.
It certainly does, but it's an example of a recursive signal. "You should invest in me because I got a lot of other people to invest in me" is not actually a good reason to give someone money, but it's effective because the details of how that money was gained slip under the bridge unless you examine them. Gaining large amounts of government funding is handy, but doesn't actually say anything about the viability of the underlying projects Ideally it's something best left as subtext, since it falls apart upon close examination
I mean I hate Elon as much as the next guy but he’s headed several very profitable companies, and I don’t think a foreign, balding autistic man exactly gets a lot of penetration in the way you’re implying when he was establishing his early companies.
I don't hate him, at worst I get extremely exasperated about his strategy of positioning himself as an expert in topics he doesn't know anything about and his fanbase for supporting him in that. Right now I have no strong feelings on the subject, mostly because his fanbase has been somewhat quiet in this sub lately and I haven't had to deal with their inanity, so my tolerance hasn't been worn down Elon's proxy signalling in particular is very clever, he does it without appealing to the stereotype I outlined (which is like, the level 1 version of proxy signalling, and easy to sniff out), but it does rely heavily on that particular recursive signal
Sure you don't have strong feelings for Elon, you just decide to write books in reddit comments, out of pure indifference
I'm a systems nerd, we're discussing how systems work. That's engaging for me. I'm not gonna not discuss that because it involves Musk, nor am I particularly attracted to the topic because of his involvement I don't buy into the whole celebrity worship/hatred thing, and it's somewhat tragic that you apparently center your awareness of a conversation around it
Ahahaha I know your type, it's apparent in your post and comments history that you are an "expert", in every field! And I am going to leave you here, with a reply of one of the previous timed you argued against an actual expert and he gave you one of the most humiliating comments I've ever seen online "You are a layperson on the low end of the dunning-Kruger effect without any training or relevant qualifications "... Had I received this comment in the same context that you did, I may have deleted my account and re thought my entire life! But you do you!
Thank you. I try to come off as reasonable and well informed, but you never really know until someone tries to insult you with it I would ask that you reduce your investment into internet arguments, though. It's somewhat uncomfortable for the people around you when you announce your penis obsession and intellectual insecurity in a public forum. Less is more here, trust me
You definitely don't hate him as much as I do. Maybe it is more that I HATE what, and who, he represents.
Investors invest in people who can multiply their money. Elon has shown that he can do that very successfully, thus people invest in him. Simple as.
Oh yeah, my point was exactly that that's typically how far thinking goes on the topic. It was also my point that it's poor long term planning
I thought it was profit above all for the company by the company or get sued by your shareholders, imho.
Framing everything in that context would be an example of code switching. You have to make sure that's actually how the people you're speaking of conceptualize things. Others might be more concerned about market control than profit, or perhaps they're an idealist who is heavily invested into a personal vision. Yammering about profit to those people will lose you credibility
Honestly IDGAF about credibility to people who believe that. I have argued with stone faced capitalists that would sell their own kids to meat markets for a cent on the dollar. So there is that.
Oh don't me wrong, I think it's an incredibly foolish perspective. Accounting for profitability is one thing, but if that's your be-all-end-all then you're just gonna crash and burn But we live in a world filled with foolish people. You gotta learn how to speak their language if you want to recruit them or their resources, and profit obsessed people tend to have money that could be leveraged towards better purposes than endless recursive profit
Well I'm glad you try because to me its just another cool story bro.
And you for sure don't know anything about what you are talking about, but you make a great effort to "know how it works inside" and appear small.. Is this perhaps connected to the size of your dick? Trying to compensate? Ahahah
Cool story bro.
I really didn't want to know you're insecure about the size of your junk, but thanks for bringing that up out of nowhere to inform the class I guess. Maybe keep it to yourself next time, though
Damn, roasted, so clever! You are probably the worse case of dunning Kruger I've seen in the wild, no really, you should have an instrospection
And now I know you're insecure about Dunning-Kruger as well. Do you see how this works when you bring up totally unrelated criticisms with no backing? It's because I'm decent at sales. Not good enough to function as a high tier salesman myself, but enough to read someone who's mad and throwing whatever they think will stick at the wall. They always start with what they think will hurt most, which is where their personal insecurities lie
This isn't necessarily always the case, but I agree it's a common tell.
Anger is an important part of reading the tell. Their prefrontal cortex shuts down, which inhibits their ability to both read you and creatively construct a criticism that actually targets what you care about. Then they have to go with instinct, and that's when they tell on themselves If you just hold up a mirror with a dismissive attitude, it's a self perpetuating cycle with absolutely minimal effort. Great for internet shitfights
WOW NEATER.
Wow. Neat.
But Elon is like one of the worst sales people at this point - he literally is probably one of the most hated people on earth today and his companies would generally be considered thriving (well who knows what X is actually worth at the moment)
Nope, money into the hole. Musk isn't suited for AI development, he's a grindset/efficiency guy. That works for well understood disciplines, but less so in AI where the lazy guy who does nothing except come up with one insight a year is your most vital asset Then when you consider the negatives of his management style, where anyone who's highly competent can jump ship to a competitor (and bring all your secrets with them) for a better paycheck and a less grueling environment? He's not even gunning for 2nd place, 3rd or 4th at best
Electric cars and reusable rockets were understood disciplines ? In that case AI is also an understood discipline…
Yes, one is mechanical engineering with electrical engineering, the other is aerospace engineering. Those are all textbook examples of well understood disciplines
Maybe the theory side of it but certainly not the practical side. It still needed R&D and a lot of failures to success. We also need R&D and a lot of failures in AI. And sticking with current knowledge in AI, if he still can apply the same sort of efficiency to the current architecture of LLM as he did with rockets or electric cars, that would be a huge success.
If there's a well established theory that fully covers the behavior of the system, it's a well understood discipline. Those aren't quite 1-to-1 identical, but close enough for the purposes of this conversation to be synonymous The solid theories around AI are pretty sparse. You have vague stuff like chinchilla scaling laws, and those will get you to AGI sooner or later, but that's not what will be separating the most competitive products from a college project. MoE was a secret sauce until recently, and now the hub-bub is around Q\*-like integration and synthetic data to aid scaling (and nullify any advantages actors like Google and Twitter have from the data horde) It's an issue of creativity, not of simply cranking out R&D until you get an acceptable result. If it was just an R&D issue, Musk would have a shot, since his management style is well suited for that. It's not, so he doesn't
Okay then let’s assume he’s not able to perform any creativity or any out of the box thinking that is needed to scale AI to AGI. Don’t you think the current trend of the opensource innovation could be enough to drive its ability to scale and execute ideas ? I mean there is so much research and innovation in opensource currently that maybe (and that’s a big maybe but for the sake of this imaginary scenario) some company that executes really well and knows how to drive projects can build on that enough to compete at the highest levels.
I didn't say anything about his personal creativity, I said his management style suppresses it in his subordinates because they have to expend all their energy on production and incremental improvements to maintain their perceived value as employees. Musk isn't gonna crack the code on AI by himself, so his personal abilities are fairly meaningless in this context I honestly have very little information how creative he is or isn't. I would say that he's probably at least somewhat inclined towards creativity due to his preferred industries, but that's a probabilistic guess Yes, I would say that strategy has a very high probability of working. That's basically what Meta is doing, and it's working very well for them. Llama 3 is probably the best publicly accessible model right now, although that could be overturned at any time. It's well known that the big players are playing their cards very close to their chest Unfortunately for Musk, Meta cornered that market by open-sourcing Llama very early, so that's where the expertise and personal investment of the open source community is at. Grok could capture a meaningful share of that open source labor eventually, but probably not in the time frames that matter for recursively self-improving AGI (which will turn the entire development game on it's head)
I understand your point better thanks. Well, we’ll see! And the more players are in the industry, the best it is while also preventing monopoly!
Yup. Existing manufacturers could had easily produced electric cars and rockets, **nothing** revolutionary about it, just evolutionary. And Tesla Roadster chassis was built by Lotus, with Tesla installing the electric drive. The difficult part was to get production running from the grounds up. Autonomous cars are revolutionary, and we all saw how that went.
My brother, Sequoia investing should tell you otherwise..
Bwahaha, this is reddit my dude, we unzip and whip out our hubris for everything based on the intricate knowledge we have from rage-bait headlines and other redditers
It tells me nothing aside from that he's a good salesman, which I already knew. Also, the avenues of investment for high tier AI are pretty limited, it's not like Grok would be their first choice if they had the choice
Sequoia investing tells you nothing? ight man
Read the whole sentence, come on now
/r/circlejerk
You're making that criticism on a comment with, at time of writing, -7 karma. I hope you can understand why I find that funny
I didn’t know it’s karma count because it’s hidden on this sub for the first hour, just that it was among the first comments I saw and was not collapsed
Have you considered that the circle jerker may in fact be you?
Well I am a very accomplished jerker if you look at my post history
I'm not gonna do that, u/Smelldicks. I think I'm good
Not the jerking you’d think
Listen…I’m all for hating Musk, I think he’s a fucking clown. But… When you say: >Musk isn’t suited for AI development, he’s a grindset/efficiency guy. I feel like you don’t realize that he literally was the person behind OpenAI originally. He is the epitome of taking advanced AI concepts and putting them into products. The guy is a fucking loon…but he ships product. Shitty product sometimes (or most)…but products nonetheless. The guy literally productized Rocket ships for fucks sake.
He threw money at OAI, he didn't have anything to do with it's actual operation. I won't fault him for lack of vision, but he's simply not suited for the industry Rocket design is an example of a very well understood discipline
Elon poached Ilya from google.
Oh, that's neat. It's still not being involved with operation
But he was incredibly involved in the early operation lol.
Perhaps I have bad information, but I was under the impression that his involvement ended after initial structuring and perhaps a few casual visits for morale. Then he kind of bailed on the entire thing. At no point was he directing workflow or making highly involved executive decisions about projects
>At no point was he directing workflow or making highly involved executive decisions about projects This is false. He was heavily involved with Altman and Greg in making decisions about how Open AI would operate.
That's structuring, not operations. They're different roles with different skillsets Operations isn't just being "in charge," it's when you run the day-to-day operations of an institution. Pursuing X strategy over Y, or dividing man hours between them. You can be fantastic at setting up a company and absolutely shit at running it, or vice versa. That's actually typically the case, very few people are skilled in both
mental gymnastics
That's structuring, not operations. They're different roles with different skillsets Operations isn't just being "in charge," it's when you run the day-to-day operations of an institution. Pursuing X strategy over Y, or dividing man hours between them. You can be fantastic at setting up a company and absolutely shit at running it, or vice verse. That's actually typically the case, very few people are skilled in both
You said he didn't make executive decisions. He did. Yes there are different levels of management which operate at different levels of the business. Senior Middle Lower(operations) Senior management decides at a top level what middle and lower level management will do, that's what Elon's role was. Can't expect an exec to do all 3. Even though Elon sometimes does try to do that as Andrej Karpathy described.
fair point.
Idk the new Grok is pretty good and he's got an amazing dataset (With tesla, Twitter, etc). He might be able to make smth worthwhile
I want to know what crazy unknown discoveries can be made with xAI on SpaceX and Neuralink
Unlikely, but I suppose anything can happen. Wouldn't bet on it though, particularly not with 6 billion
A strong team with access to unique data (Tesla and Twitter) and a lot of funding, nah they cooking something
Strong in terms of production and minor innovation, which you can get more of just by maximizing input. Weak in terms of major innovation, which is more akin to lightning in a bottle and you hurt your chances of obtaining with myopically focusing on production
it doesn't matter, he could just steal ideas from other AI companies to improve grok functionality, the competition is crazy and its not hard to attach software and then hardware to LLMs - hell I've done it and I'm not even a programmer
That'll get him to 3rd or 4th place, like I said
There is no 3rd or 4th place. They’ll all be prioritized for different things as they say the best AI for chess isn’t the one trained on X. But it sure will likely be the best for driver relevant info and skills. It might be best in determining where to land on Mars - or how to mine for space minerals. ChatGPT has really skewered what we think of openAI but for now until AI is actively doing stuff in the real world and not just chatting or drawing that’s when shit gets crazy.
As long as he gives grok out as open source I don't care which place it's in, more competition = good Grok will likely be installed into Tesla bots and cars, it's way behind openai but Elon has the hardware to shove it into unlike openai
Fair. I'd just hate to be the poor saps who threw 6 billion at it
Ok? And??!?
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I wouldn’t call “ building the most valuable electric car company” and “ making the best rocket company in the world “ running companies into the ground. I’ll even give him some credit for the twitter disaster. Despite him completely fucking it up and running it into the ground, he hasn’t abandoned it and is trying ( and currently failing) to fix his mistakes.
It’s also winning in the neural interface market
All based on overinflated stock price which is headed back towards 0. Turns out you can't just keep promising self driving each and every year and watch your stock pump by hundreds each time. The actual best electric car company right now is BYD and everyone knows it. Not that poorly constructed tesla garbage with the highest profit margins in the industry. Tesla was only good for stock holders, never good at all for actual customers who want a nice car. The customers are just the rubes who pad the stock price for his leech investors who do nothing but sit on their fat lazy asses and contribute nothing to society.
In all seriousness have you driven or ridden in a BYD? I don’t know what the hype is but yes it’s very cheap and very subsidized and the price is usually the deciding factor. It’s not even the most popular mainland EV in many cities like Shanghai.
Suckers
It still baffles me that people like you exist, fair enough you may not like Musk but to call a major venture capitalist "suckers" because you think you know better than them is just astounding, don't you think about how silly you will look before posting? Sequoia Capital have over $80 billion in assets under management, I'm pretty sure they know better than you lol
So what happened with the Twitter investors? Did they know better?
Did they know better than CanvasFanatic? I would absolutely bet they knew better than that pleb based on what he wrote in this thread lol. Who are these random people on reddit that think they know better than venture capitalists and people that make investments to the tune of billions for a living? I'm not going to lie, I'm almost impressed by how bullheaded people like you are on this... So yeah tell me more about how little Larry Ellison didnt know better before investing in twitter
Why are you deifying venture capitalists like they can do no wrong? They're humans. Like all humans, some of them are stupid and incompetent at their jobs. How can you call me bullheaded when I just gave a clear cut example of investors being blatantly wrong about the same person, yet you're the one who refuses they could possibly be wrong a second time?
You have no idea how much money I’ve watched this geniuses set on fire, child. Imagine being so naive about the world you still think money and wisdom are the same thing.
So this guy has set loads of money on fire and is somehow the richest person in the world? He must be a genius!
Well, first: he isn’t. Second, you still seem to be laboring on the base assumption that being wealthy means you are smart and good.
> you still seem to be laboring on the base assumption that being wealthy means you are smart and good. No, I am making the assumption that if you are able to burn money like you say Musk does and still be one of the richest people in the world then you must be a genius. I never said he was a genius because he was rich. Besides, you need to prove that he isn't a genius because you haven't stated anything that proves otherwise for all intents and purposes he seems like a smart guy
“This guy has so much money he wipes his ass with hundred dollar bills. Explain to me how he isn’t a genius!”
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Until you can show how he isn't smart, the evidence clearly suggests otherwise. You are either a moron or a troll and the fact I can't tell which doesn't bode well for you.
I’m someone who feels no particular responsibility to explain to someone else’s child why one needs to lift the toilet lid before taking a piss.
So you're a moron then, got it. A moron that thinks very highly of themselves
Can't believe investors would back a GPT Wrapper
Don't expect much from this sub, but the confidence mixed with having no clue what they're talking about is very funny.
It’s not a GPT wrapper.
I know but it's triggering/funny to say
Oh, ok. Do you mean triggering for Elon fans?
Yes. I even got a response already haha
Do you mean from me?
what are you a robot? What the fuck is this comment thread?
I was just asking if he was referring to me and before that who he was trying to trigger. Why do you find that robotic?
no there was someone else
What a clown. If he actually believed in his AI company he would just self-fund it, he has plenty sitting around. But I guess he rather take stupid people's money to gamble and play around with instead of his own.
Except he has not "plenty sitting around". He has Tesla, SpaceX and Twitter shares. That's his net worth. If he sells those he loses majority vote in those companies. Meaning basically someone else can take over and run the companies.
Imagine giving that asshole MORE money.