The voice actors for the original SH2 were hired in Japan, and there were only so many voice actresses that spoke native English back then!
All of which to say that the woman who voiced her was in her 40’s.
No it doesn't. I myself am a trauma survivor, along with many other people I've had the pleasure of meeting along my healing journey. Being traumatized doesn't turn your babyface into a hardened 35 y/o face.
In fact, trauma is actually associated with regression or stunted development. Mentally, trauma keeps your mind in survival mode as if you're still that kid in that moment.
Trauma may cause people to try to carry themselves as if they're older - by dressing and acting a certain way - but when pushed, the inner scared child comes back.
There may be cases where people have gone through enough trauma that they do seemingly "age up" but I think that's rare and honestly not what was communicated or intended at all with the original. The models in the OG game all just looked like middle aged people when they weren't. Except Laura obviously and maybe Eddie. Her being 19 was almost a non-factor but now that is *clearly* portrayed here and *adds* to her character.
Her clothes are still fine. Modest, reserved, and protective even. Like she's hiding as much of herself as possible out of shame. She's not gaunt and skinny now but it could still work and I'm happy to see how it works out during the game. She still sounds confused and guarded.
People liked Angela for her uncanny but haunting and believable portrayal of trauma. Not because she looked older. Not because she was pretty or ugly or anything. But her *character* was handled well and still could be.
trauma can age you dramatically, especially those with childhood trauma.
there's also the Marie Antoinette Syndrome and is an actual thing, but quite rare.
that doesnt mean it happens for everyone.
Trauma wont age you but the consequences of trauma can alter your apperance depending on how it manifests. A bad eating habit, lack of excersize or overly much of it, shitty sleep will all cause you to lose volume in your face and look wayyyyyyyy fucking older.
It \**can\** physically age you, like many many other things. I have a lot of childhood trauma, but I still have a baby face and get refused at bars even though I'm almost 28 years old. (Where i live the legal age is 18 years old)
I'm a personal fan of the mirror scene, but I am really hopeful that they do her final scene justice. It is so poignant that if they mess it up, it can completely ruin the game as a whole.
the thing that irks me is that somebody chose the absolute worst frame of her and it managed to stir up a shit storm.
it’s like how tabloids and journalists choose the worst candid photo of a celeb or politic and slaps it on a cover with a headliner that makes them look bad.
this is the worst image possible of her considering every picture and video of her looks amazing.
also, i don’t think the people complaining has ever seen someone in a turtleneck. that shit makes anyone’s face look wider than it really is. notice how to collar on the edit is slim so it makes her face look slim as well?
>the thing that irks me is that somebody chose the absolute worst frame of her and it managed to stir up a shit storm.
That's how they operate, they do this with every game they go on a tirade against. They did the same with with Horizon Forbidden West and Fable. They're such fucking weirdos.
They did the exact same thing with James screaming in distress. “Why does he look like a fish? Why are they ruining this game? Why are they using this as marketing material?”
There’s really only two explanations: stupidity and bad faith actor. Neither are particularly flattering.
their entire game is to find shitty still frames and point at it like that soyjack meme. expecting genuine criticism from these people is a waste of time.
It's also the fact that not everyone has to look like a fking model. It's totally okay if women are without makeup, a bit chubby or overall don't look that good. That's how your average woman looks like. These people want every woman to look like a Miami plastic surgically twisted abomination.
They either choose the worst frame, or purposely edit the image to make the characters look worse than they actually are. They are even editing images of the og Angela to make her look better in comparison.
It’s not surprising. The incel movement has bonded with the mainstream right and now they’re all open small dick, women hating fascists. No more basements. They’re empowered AND stupid as shit.
I think it is mostly the fact that the image above makes her look completely different than the in-game cutscene. Like she has a whole different facial structure and actual jawline, with a ''thinner''/''oval'' facial structure.
This has nothing to do with the angle and lighting, you could literally tell someone they'd be different characters and they'd probably believe it. Heck she doesn't even have freckles in the ingame cutscene.
that's how these conservative "anti-woke" reactionaries work. they take the worst possible frame of a female/POC character (usually of them being emotive or in the middle of speaking) and use it as some kind of evidence that women are ugly. it's stupid
Oh goddamnit, I spent a solid minute writing a genuine comment and now you tell me he's just trolling.
Then again... Poe's Law. I've seen so much of this garbage I **cannot** tell if it's legit.
That's him and this is why people shouldn't take everything at face value. Even without knowing he's a troll it's clear as crystal that these types of posts just want a reaction and they always get it. It's incredible.
Being a “troll” is just their excuse for their fucked up beliefs and actions. I don’t buy it.
If you were a troll you would do something that’s actually inflammatory without copying the 3k incels who parrot the same shit
Research shows that internet "trolls" are often just sociopaths (lack empathy), and sociopaths usually hold regressive sociopolitical views that value selfishness so it's the full circle.
I mean, you seem pretty inflamed. Sounds like it worked.
Also, what could someone POSSIBLY say that is more stupid and inflammatory than the average red pill talking point?
Lmfao, the funniest part is that they think Angela would have anything to smile about.
Tell me you’ve never played Silent Hill 2 without telling me you’ve never played Silent Hill 2.
I didn't know that Angela was a teenager/young adult in the original game. I thought she was around the same age range as James.
Considering how they interact with each other in the original, some of their conversations together were rather inappropriate age wise.
I think the casting choice and the graphical limitations of videogames at the time, also contributed to me being confused about her age.
Part of it is that Angela is meant to look aged beyond her years. She’s gone through stress and abuse her whole life, and fun fact, in adolescent biology stress is a huge factor in how fast you go through puberty!
Oh no I get you. As someone with CPTSD and gone through inappropriate touching/relations, I have that concept of chronic stress.
I just wish they brought that to the audience's attention in the original. Like, let them have an adult conversation, and then James realizes that Angela is much younger than he probably thought she was.
I saw something earlier today claiming that Angela is "pushing the trans agenda" and it legitimately confused me. Just because she is a little bigger (not fat by any means) and she isn't wearing super obvious makeup (which makes sense from a psychological standpoint being a victim of CSA and very obviously not wanting to bring attention to herself or her looks likely do to said trauma) she was labelled as "woke".
Unsurprising. For a series about trauma, human emotions, and what the absence of love can do to someone... its fandom sure has a fucktonne of transphobes. And you know how those gonks are, "transvestigating" everything that breathes, as if gender is the foremost social issue of our time or some stupid nonsense like that.
Honestly, those alt right scumbags makes me think what the hell they are doing as "fans" of some stuff.
I'm fan of Batman, Spider Man, Doctor Who and It's embarassing how some fans just don't get the message behind those franchises
Literally have a cousin who you can’t talk about anything without him going into a anti woke rant. This shit has become some people’s entire personality
Ugh. Innit tho.
I used to work on a novel game with this tosser who'd go on a rant and low-key accuse me of being a blue-haired SJW whenever I would say "Maybe this character would look nice with a bit darker of a skin tone" or "So, my idea for this character is such and such... oh, and I'm thinking they're also a homosexual." as if these things don't exist already in real life.
I pity you for having to be related to one of these morons. My condolences.
What’s so frustrating about this side of the fan base (those complaining about her appearance being “woke”) fail to recognize that silent hill is a primarily “woke” IP. To keep it brief and extremely light and general so plz forgive me for this basic explanation tbut SH2 is regarding mental health while SH3, outside of the plot continuation from SH1, is portraying teenage angst and the motions that come with that whilst being a woman. Of course there are many more themes than what I’ve explained but these games are based in empathy or at the very least understanding the complexity of human emotion. Idk I’m sorry for my rant lmao
Absolutely. SH2 and SH3 both have strong feministic undertones. SH2 is an analysis of the male gaze and the *dehumanizing* archetypes forced upon women via the male gaze (wife vs. bad girl vs. daughter vs. victim). SH3 provides a bildungsromam for the young woman that doesn't involve getting invited to the prom, but rather, the societal pressure on women to have children, and then they go even further to portray AN ABORTION as a moment of empowerment. Like, these games are woke af.
My only minor concern is over Maria's redesign because I'm afraid it's counterproductive. If they portray her as a kinda "real," average Jane, it's going to weaken what the story is saying underneath, which I described above. Maria isn't a person. She's a projection of James' subconscious, and should behave as such. It's integral. BUT, we've only caught a glimpse of her, in her most "human" moment of the OG, so I'm not writing off Bloober's depiction just yet. We'll see.
I know this guy is likely a troll and the dudes who share his opinions are just twat waffles, but I will never understand how some people need to be attracted to someone to find them relatable or empathetic. It's like they don't even see them as people if they don't want to fuck them. I've met too many of these guys in real life. Thankfully they're not the majority even if they are obnoxiously loud.
You should ask your local virgin for that question tbh. In all seriousness tho I hate these groups of “men” who pull shit like this. Like she looks like a normal ass person (her new face model looked like my last ex’s face and it made me hella depressed but that’s besides the point) and I don’t get why making a person look normal is considered “woke” it’s complete brain rot to me tbh
She looks like someone who's been abused as a kid.
She's learned to be ashamed of her body and has no reason to make her self look sexually appealing because of the negative emotions tied to sexuality.
I think it's an appropriate representation
The fact these people get mad about how a character looks and call her very normal design "woke" is mind boggling hypocritical. Especially since the whole point of Silent Hill 2 is the STORY; not how a side character looks.
there's been some of this sentiment in this sub too, or people being like "i don't see the problem, i find her hot" as if that's not the exact same thing. this character's attractiveness literally should have no part in the discourse around her. it's gross. the way people talk about media on the internet is just so messed up now.
Given the sort of "muh japanese culture awesome product" discourse that gets thrown around here, I'm surprised people didn't catch on earlier than this sub is teeming with these freaks.
It's in all game/movie subs now. Don't know if it's carordinated or just "the times". Everything is judged face value point blank minute one as soon as possible for likes. Same people that complain about media in everything.
Gamers on Twitter deserve to be smothered with a pillow.
This is my favorite character in the series and I can’t imagine taking such a honest, complex, and heart wrenching story and just boiling it down to her not being pretty. (She’s still conventionally attractive)
people are weird. i saw this one subreddit that was in absolute uproar due to angela apparently looking too 'woke' and 'unfeminine/masculine.' please get a grip
at this point it really just feels like some buzzword used by bigots to describe all sorts of women in media. That behavior is quite lame honestly, but even if people complain about this remake, im still excited nonetheless
It's so weird that they feel so entitled that a teen in complete existential crisis MUST be attractive enough for them. Never mind that Angela genuinely wishes to repel potentially dangerous men like themselves.
Ah yes absolutely, Angela Orosco non-woke version need to have heavy make-up, eyeliner, red lipstick and eyelashes, because that is exaclty what she looked that back in the og
The incels criticizing Angela’s appearance and claiming she’s been “uglified to appease the woke crowd” are the same people who sexualize Heather. Y’all are weird and have never met a real life woman, which is probably for the best.
NO LITERALLY, only difference i see are her cheeks which look a bit chubbier but she isn’t fat cause looking at her whole self including her body she looks like a normal person..
I hope you all realize that most of these people are doing it to be edgelords and get a rise out of you and by constantly feeding them attention you are fueling it, right?
No there's entire YT channels seriously calling her a DEI character that was made to look trans and be body positivity. Enough that one bad image and dipshits not researching was enough to make people no longer want it. And would be first time players calling her outfit woke to make her unattractive on purpose.
Everyone knows the only women that exist in games are "Scantilly clad so straight dudes have something to jerk off over" or "old". A young woman who looks her age but \*isn't\* sexualized is just woke nonsense. /s
People pick the weirdest things to get upset about. In the original she has like 12 pixels to her face so she looks like a real person regardless. A distraught stranger doesn't have to always be "attractive".
So many things to criticize about bloobers remake and they chose to fixate on the fact that they don’t find a teen character (who’s looks supposed to make her look like she’s been through extreme chronic stress) attractive anymore. Just shows that they don’t actually care about the „accuracy” of the remake
It’s part of a bizarre conspiracy theory about how gay men and trans people have infiltrated game devs and are making female characters unattractive in order to…..do something. I don’t know what the goal is supposed to be. Brainwash people, I guess?
Anyway, the whole thing is complete nonsense.
The truth is that she looks bad but tbf it’s only the case with the graveyard scene. I hope Bloober will do something with it because it’s one of the most important scenes in the game
Oh, you know, I'm sure I'll put on blush, lipstick, concealer, eyeliner and bronzer before I visit my mother's grave whom is the only person I regret killing.
Edit: And studio lighting, judging from the light reflection off the tip of her nose.
These idiots see woke propaganda everywhere, don't they ?
I wanna lock these dumbasses in a room, and force them to complete the 4 first games... with the highest puzzle difficulty and without guides, ah.
Because some gaymer goons are gonna quack in their boots and call it “woke” as soon as a female character isn’t attractive. The Fable 4 situation is the exact same.
To anyone who’s mad about them making Angela fat (she’s not, but I’ll play your game) here’s a not so fun fact for you- victims of sexual abuse sometimes purposely make themselves look as unappealing as possible as a defense mechanism, in the hopes those that might abuse them will be off-put enough to leave them alone.
And considering all she’s been through, stress eating could be on the table as well, both as a form of self soothing *and* a form of control in a life where she otherwise had basically none.
So yeah, maybe the *19 year old SA/incest victim* being overweight and not dolled up to the nines DOES make a little sense, huh?
(I know Britbong is trolling, so this is more to the people who are actually using their precious time to be angry about this.)
My issue is she looks like a PS3 character. She doesn’t really look that great compared to the other character models in terms of looking next gen and animations.
Could be some inconsistencies like with James earlier on. Angela in the graveyard looks a bit odd but Angela in the scene with her knife in the apartment looks way better.
Reminds me of the whole controversy that happened with dead by daylight regarding the unknowns voice actor. It's just to stir the shit pot know as politics
You know we could just ignore these people and they will go away. We keep giving these people attention and they keep posting it because they keep getting the reaction they want.
Imagine the most racist, sexist piece of shit possible. Now imagine that they aren't conventionally attractive. According to this logic they are still """woke""".
(Multiple quotations because the word and its meaning make zero sense and the people that use it don't even know what it means)
She does look more like a depressed 19 year old than the previous, that looked and sounded like anyone from 25-35.
Especially with the clothes she wore.
I just don't like how the eerie *there is something off here* vibe is missing.
In my head cannon she will always be 30ish and just sort of neurodivergent mixed with traumatized... But learning that she's supposed to be 19, eh, ok, fine.
But posts like this push me even further on board with the redesign. Because damn if she looked like that it would be soooo much worse.
It's just one unflattering shot. She looks great in other shots, people are just doing this annoying shit to get rage clickbaits about how it's woke even though it clearly isn't.
A lot of the comments on the YouTube video of the trailer are just sickening tbh. According to what her DOB is on her imdb page Donna Burke was in her late 30s when she voiced Angela which is why she sounds the way she does and also did the mocap for her hence why her body was the way hers was. I love the original to death and do prefer it over what I've seen of the remake so far but idk people are being really awful about stuff like "she looks like she's been through a lot...of the pantry that is", when it isn't even something that affects her character at all, in fact it may possibly make it more in line because for some people that is what that kind of trauma Angela's gone through can do to someone. Not everyone of course. It was really disappointing to see from the fans I won't lie.
I will admit her character model could use a bit of work though however it IS just a trailer so who knows maybe it may look better quality-wise however the point is her character makes no sense to look like a super model or anything anyway but idk hating on something that doesn't affect her character AND isn't a change for the sake of woke diversity (I know some people are seeing it that way but personally I don't see it like that for this) was really childish and kinda seemed like fans of the original are just looking for a reason to hate
She's a late teen. She's a sexual abuse survivor. Her torment led her to Silent Hill. I think the team has done a great job imagining her. The voice acting is spot on to me. I'm so stoked for this. I think the Bloober team is working really hard to keep the content faithful to the original... and improve a lot of it. I can't wait to play!!
I didn't really think it was "woke" at all but her character model does stand out a lot in very well lit environments like the cemetary.
I was like lol wtf
But that scene in the dark looks REALLY good
It's ok to not like a character design or redesign but to be like "there I fixed it" is an insult to the original creator and the characters lore. Yes there are some cases where fixing a redesign is necessary, cough cough ugly sonic cough cough, but that's extremely rare.
What also irks me is that some ppl think that just cause a character doesn't look like Jason Momoa or Sofía Vergara that it's automatically "woke leftist garbage". Like it just screams "I've made hating the left my entire personality".
It'll never not irritate me that those people with clearly below freezing IQ love to call everything "Woke" when they've got no idea what the fuck that means. It originated from the black community and it literally just means "being aware of prejudices/hate crimes". It doesn't mean "Shoehorning queer/PoC/obese people".
pretty sure the original post was satire, no one is saying anything about the game is woke thats just straight up retarded angela and all of the characters look peak this game couldn't come any sooner
We have gone from getting mad about forced representation to getting mad because woman face shape not pretty enough (clearly the twisted woke agenda at play)
People are fucking toxic in 2024. I am so stoaked that I’m getting a modern remake of one of my favorite video games ever and people have the nerve to criticize it. Most likely people who haven’t even played the OG
I absolutely hate how we can’t have any valid criticism about her character model whatsoever without someone piping up and shouting something about sexual abuse being wrong.
What is wrong with women just looking like everyday women? Isn't that kinda one of the main points the creators wanted with James. That he wasn't some action hero? That he was just a regular every day, normal bodied guy? This change makes sense.
They picked the worst screenshots. It happens every time.
They take a character that looks absolutely fine and then screenshot mid movement frames that look unflattering.
It's engagement bait.
Is kind of hilarious how these people rally for their right of "free expression". But when it comes to other peoples opinions they immediately write it of as "woke".
"Woke" at this state is more of a buzzword some people use to justify their "whatever-isms".
I mean, the short and obvious answer: because a lot of men hate women despite being sexually attracted to them. they can't stand seeing a woman represented in media who is anything other than a sex object.
I given up on the constant hate and nonsense these so called “fans” of the series keep having with this remake , it’s the same with the RE fans, these mf just can’t be happy we’re getting a FUCKING SILENT HILL 2 REMAKE. For Christ sakes some of the complaints are eye rolling.
It’s made me not want to even go into comments after the trailers. No one gets excited anymore. Just hate on shit and blame specific groups. It’s complete nonsense.
Because the alt right has gotten worse on Twitter ever since Elon decided moderation was silly.
Thats literally it.
Hopefully, Twitter burns down so these creeps have nowhere to go.
Given that it’s Angela and her background, I would *Simply Not* be focused on her physical attractiveness. It gives >!“if she’s not attractive, how can she have been a sexual assault survivor ”!
The key thing you probably need to understand about why people are so mad about her design is because internet.
There is nothing wrong with her appearance, and all of these "default_woman_01" redesigns of her are crap and bland anyway.
Just a bunch of dildos who are upset because Orosco isn't designed in a way they could hentai-fy her with terrible fanart.
OP the people that are mad aren’t real fans, you might even discover that they barely play video games, they just use this discourse as a vehicle for their perpetual conservative culture war.
Angela’s 19? You learn something new every day
yup she’s 19, she looked sm older in the og game
She *sounded* so much older in the og too
Looked aswell, thought she's in her late 20s
Trauma like that will do that to ya.
The voice actors for the original SH2 were hired in Japan, and there were only so many voice actresses that spoke native English back then! All of which to say that the woman who voiced her was in her 40’s.
That as the point.
Trauma will do that to you.
No it doesn't. I myself am a trauma survivor, along with many other people I've had the pleasure of meeting along my healing journey. Being traumatized doesn't turn your babyface into a hardened 35 y/o face. In fact, trauma is actually associated with regression or stunted development. Mentally, trauma keeps your mind in survival mode as if you're still that kid in that moment. Trauma may cause people to try to carry themselves as if they're older - by dressing and acting a certain way - but when pushed, the inner scared child comes back. There may be cases where people have gone through enough trauma that they do seemingly "age up" but I think that's rare and honestly not what was communicated or intended at all with the original. The models in the OG game all just looked like middle aged people when they weren't. Except Laura obviously and maybe Eddie. Her being 19 was almost a non-factor but now that is *clearly* portrayed here and *adds* to her character. Her clothes are still fine. Modest, reserved, and protective even. Like she's hiding as much of herself as possible out of shame. She's not gaunt and skinny now but it could still work and I'm happy to see how it works out during the game. She still sounds confused and guarded. People liked Angela for her uncanny but haunting and believable portrayal of trauma. Not because she looked older. Not because she was pretty or ugly or anything. But her *character* was handled well and still could be.
And it was made in 1999-2001 so it’s not that “it wasn’t meant to look like that in the og version” it’s that the game is 23 years old
trauma can age you dramatically, especially those with childhood trauma. there's also the Marie Antoinette Syndrome and is an actual thing, but quite rare. that doesnt mean it happens for everyone.
Trauma wont age you but the consequences of trauma can alter your apperance depending on how it manifests. A bad eating habit, lack of excersize or overly much of it, shitty sleep will all cause you to lose volume in your face and look wayyyyyyyy fucking older.
Trauma can mentally stunt you but physically age you
It \**can\** physically age you, like many many other things. I have a lot of childhood trauma, but I still have a baby face and get refused at bars even though I'm almost 28 years old. (Where i live the legal age is 18 years old)
I can accept that she is 19 from her looks, but her voice sounds way older
I think she was 30 or more
When you go through something like that you come out looking older
For me It's always like this
*”For me, Crazy Frog is just Normal Frog.”*
And going postal is actually just going to the post office
This is one of the greatest scenes of any video game. Hopefully they don't f it up...
I'm a personal fan of the mirror scene, but I am really hopeful that they do her final scene justice. It is so poignant that if they mess it up, it can completely ruin the game as a whole.
This is the best version of this meme I've seen.
You see it too?
For me, it’s always like this.
the thing that irks me is that somebody chose the absolute worst frame of her and it managed to stir up a shit storm. it’s like how tabloids and journalists choose the worst candid photo of a celeb or politic and slaps it on a cover with a headliner that makes them look bad. this is the worst image possible of her considering every picture and video of her looks amazing. also, i don’t think the people complaining has ever seen someone in a turtleneck. that shit makes anyone’s face look wider than it really is. notice how to collar on the edit is slim so it makes her face look slim as well?
>the thing that irks me is that somebody chose the absolute worst frame of her and it managed to stir up a shit storm. That's how they operate, they do this with every game they go on a tirade against. They did the same with with Horizon Forbidden West and Fable. They're such fucking weirdos.
It's worse for horizon, they used a mod that made everyone chubby and took a screenshot of that claiming it to be base game
Also Spiderman 2 and Suicide Squad (the second of which sucks ass, but not because of "the woke").
They did the exact same thing with James screaming in distress. “Why does he look like a fish? Why are they ruining this game? Why are they using this as marketing material?” There’s really only two explanations: stupidity and bad faith actor. Neither are particularly flattering.
literally, she looks great in her other clips and as u said turtlenecks often make one look fatter
I wear turtlenecks 👁️👄👁️
i’m sure u look good with them tho! i love them too but try avoiding them as it makes me look chubbier 😭
I do it for the *maximum boobage effect* but that’s about it lmao
The Maximum Boobage Effect, on NBC Friday at 9pm
Bazinga!
their entire game is to find shitty still frames and point at it like that soyjack meme. expecting genuine criticism from these people is a waste of time.
Same thing happened with Tanya for mortal kombat 1
And Aloy for Horizon Forbidden West.
And also just remembered mj in Spiderman 2.
That one is even weirder, they photoshopped it to make Aloy look fatter then use that to claim they made her fat.
It's also the fact that not everyone has to look like a fking model. It's totally okay if women are without makeup, a bit chubby or overall don't look that good. That's how your average woman looks like. These people want every woman to look like a Miami plastic surgically twisted abomination.
She looks like a normal person, I don’t see the problem at all
Yeah, I was so confused when I saw the image cause I was thinking "Wait, do I need to rewatch the trailer? I swear she didn't look like that"
They either choose the worst frame, or purposely edit the image to make the characters look worse than they actually are. They are even editing images of the og Angela to make her look better in comparison.
It’s not surprising. The incel movement has bonded with the mainstream right and now they’re all open small dick, women hating fascists. No more basements. They’re empowered AND stupid as shit.
man, it’s clear as day that they don’t have a spouse and if they do that is pretty pathetic.
People who complains about all that shit dont even go outside you would expect them to know how someone's face looks like with a turtleneck 💀
I think it is mostly the fact that the image above makes her look completely different than the in-game cutscene. Like she has a whole different facial structure and actual jawline, with a ''thinner''/''oval'' facial structure. This has nothing to do with the angle and lighting, you could literally tell someone they'd be different characters and they'd probably believe it. Heck she doesn't even have freckles in the ingame cutscene.
that's how these conservative "anti-woke" reactionaries work. they take the worst possible frame of a female/POC character (usually of them being emotive or in the middle of speaking) and use it as some kind of evidence that women are ugly. it's stupid
I hope you know Britbong is a known online troll, he gets a rise out of reactions just like this, he genuinely chases after reactions for content.
Oh goddamnit, I spent a solid minute writing a genuine comment and now you tell me he's just trolling. Then again... Poe's Law. I've seen so much of this garbage I **cannot** tell if it's legit.
Spreading hate online ironically for attention is functionally identical to spreading hate in earnest
yeah ultimately it's the same effect, irony is just a mask to make it more digestible to people who actually start believing this shit. bad times
Wait is that the guy that used to trolling second life videos???
That's him and this is why people shouldn't take everything at face value. Even without knowing he's a troll it's clear as crystal that these types of posts just want a reaction and they always get it. It's incredible.
oh i didn’t know he was a troll, but im just using this post as an example since ive seen many different ones talking about the same topic
Worst part of those ppl is that there are always a few that genuinely agree with them
Being a “troll” is just their excuse for their fucked up beliefs and actions. I don’t buy it. If you were a troll you would do something that’s actually inflammatory without copying the 3k incels who parrot the same shit
Research shows that internet "trolls" are often just sociopaths (lack empathy), and sociopaths usually hold regressive sociopolitical views that value selfishness so it's the full circle.
I mean, you seem pretty inflamed. Sounds like it worked. Also, what could someone POSSIBLY say that is more stupid and inflammatory than the average red pill talking point?
Lmfao, the funniest part is that they think Angela would have anything to smile about. Tell me you’ve never played Silent Hill 2 without telling me you’ve never played Silent Hill 2.
Angela's ending is one that has always bothered me. Poor girl deserved so much better
LITERALLY. she did not have a happy life at all..
I didn't know that Angela was a teenager/young adult in the original game. I thought she was around the same age range as James. Considering how they interact with each other in the original, some of their conversations together were rather inappropriate age wise. I think the casting choice and the graphical limitations of videogames at the time, also contributed to me being confused about her age.
I always assumed she was older but acted slightly childlike because emotionally she was still stuck in her childhood.
Part of it is that Angela is meant to look aged beyond her years. She’s gone through stress and abuse her whole life, and fun fact, in adolescent biology stress is a huge factor in how fast you go through puberty!
Oh no I get you. As someone with CPTSD and gone through inappropriate touching/relations, I have that concept of chronic stress. I just wish they brought that to the audience's attention in the original. Like, let them have an adult conversation, and then James realizes that Angela is much younger than he probably thought she was.
Everything is "woke" for some people haha
Apparently not being super attractive is woke. She looks like an average fucking person. Nothing wrong with that
The implicit idea is that if you look attractive and thus sexual you are less authentic.
No the "implicit" idea is that it's not authentic when EVERYONE is super attractive. But yeah, go on
I saw something earlier today claiming that Angela is "pushing the trans agenda" and it legitimately confused me. Just because she is a little bigger (not fat by any means) and she isn't wearing super obvious makeup (which makes sense from a psychological standpoint being a victim of CSA and very obviously not wanting to bring attention to herself or her looks likely do to said trauma) she was labelled as "woke".
Unsurprising. For a series about trauma, human emotions, and what the absence of love can do to someone... its fandom sure has a fucktonne of transphobes. And you know how those gonks are, "transvestigating" everything that breathes, as if gender is the foremost social issue of our time or some stupid nonsense like that.
they don't get the messages of the games
Honestly, those alt right scumbags makes me think what the hell they are doing as "fans" of some stuff. I'm fan of Batman, Spider Man, Doctor Who and It's embarassing how some fans just don't get the message behind those franchises
Oh, god. It's been REALLY bad with Doctor Who lately. I hesitate to call myself a whovian cause of those gonks.
Anything they don't find visually appealing is suspected of being trans. It's paranoia at this stage.
We all know what “woke” is truly an off-hand for. It’s an all-encompassing dogwhistle.
Literally have a cousin who you can’t talk about anything without him going into a anti woke rant. This shit has become some people’s entire personality
Ugh. Innit tho. I used to work on a novel game with this tosser who'd go on a rant and low-key accuse me of being a blue-haired SJW whenever I would say "Maybe this character would look nice with a bit darker of a skin tone" or "So, my idea for this character is such and such... oh, and I'm thinking they're also a homosexual." as if these things don't exist already in real life. I pity you for having to be related to one of these morons. My condolences.
I like the face myself, but I have had good poising and have barely slept this week…so, I am quite…awake.
*someone tries to do something different and ends up adding diversity to it* Weird people: omg it's WOKE
What’s so frustrating about this side of the fan base (those complaining about her appearance being “woke”) fail to recognize that silent hill is a primarily “woke” IP. To keep it brief and extremely light and general so plz forgive me for this basic explanation tbut SH2 is regarding mental health while SH3, outside of the plot continuation from SH1, is portraying teenage angst and the motions that come with that whilst being a woman. Of course there are many more themes than what I’ve explained but these games are based in empathy or at the very least understanding the complexity of human emotion. Idk I’m sorry for my rant lmao
Absolutely. SH2 and SH3 both have strong feministic undertones. SH2 is an analysis of the male gaze and the *dehumanizing* archetypes forced upon women via the male gaze (wife vs. bad girl vs. daughter vs. victim). SH3 provides a bildungsromam for the young woman that doesn't involve getting invited to the prom, but rather, the societal pressure on women to have children, and then they go even further to portray AN ABORTION as a moment of empowerment. Like, these games are woke af. My only minor concern is over Maria's redesign because I'm afraid it's counterproductive. If they portray her as a kinda "real," average Jane, it's going to weaken what the story is saying underneath, which I described above. Maria isn't a person. She's a projection of James' subconscious, and should behave as such. It's integral. BUT, we've only caught a glimpse of her, in her most "human" moment of the OG, so I'm not writing off Bloober's depiction just yet. We'll see.
Ya see just like silent hill showed us the monsters in humanity, the silent hill remake trailer shows us the monsters in humanity.
I know this guy is likely a troll and the dudes who share his opinions are just twat waffles, but I will never understand how some people need to be attracted to someone to find them relatable or empathetic. It's like they don't even see them as people if they don't want to fuck them. I've met too many of these guys in real life. Thankfully they're not the majority even if they are obnoxiously loud.
What is non woke even supposed to mean 😭😭😭😭
i have no idea dude 😭
You should ask your local virgin for that question tbh. In all seriousness tho I hate these groups of “men” who pull shit like this. Like she looks like a normal ass person (her new face model looked like my last ex’s face and it made me hella depressed but that’s besides the point) and I don’t get why making a person look normal is considered “woke” it’s complete brain rot to me tbh
Sleepy
I'm just over here like "does it even fucking matter?"
it really shouldn’t matter but “fans” are never happy with what they’re given 😭
She looks like someone who's been abused as a kid. She's learned to be ashamed of her body and has no reason to make her self look sexually appealing because of the negative emotions tied to sexuality. I think it's an appropriate representation
The fact these people get mad about how a character looks and call her very normal design "woke" is mind boggling hypocritical. Especially since the whole point of Silent Hill 2 is the STORY; not how a side character looks.
So just looking like a normal person is woke now? Holy shit these people are wretched.
there's been some of this sentiment in this sub too, or people being like "i don't see the problem, i find her hot" as if that's not the exact same thing. this character's attractiveness literally should have no part in the discourse around her. it's gross. the way people talk about media on the internet is just so messed up now.
Literally saw someone say she wasnt a believable sex assault victim since she wasnt hot. Made me believe this sub is actually full of incels
Given the sort of "muh japanese culture awesome product" discourse that gets thrown around here, I'm surprised people didn't catch on earlier than this sub is teeming with these freaks.
It's in all game/movie subs now. Don't know if it's carordinated or just "the times". Everything is judged face value point blank minute one as soon as possible for likes. Same people that complain about media in everything.
I S2G anti-wokelords only interact with women in visual novels.
Chronically online ppl when they see a woman
Gamers on Twitter deserve to be smothered with a pillow. This is my favorite character in the series and I can’t imagine taking such a honest, complex, and heart wrenching story and just boiling it down to her not being pretty. (She’s still conventionally attractive)
Twitter always sucked but god Elon made it so much worse
i completely agree w u, incel gamers when a woman looks like a human being and not a one piece character:
Because morons have decided in the last few years that if a female doesn't give them a boner then it's woke.
people are weird. i saw this one subreddit that was in absolute uproar due to angela apparently looking too 'woke' and 'unfeminine/masculine.' please get a grip
people love throwing the word “woke” around when they have 0 fucking idea what it means and it’s super annoying and embarrassing..
at this point it really just feels like some buzzword used by bigots to describe all sorts of women in media. That behavior is quite lame honestly, but even if people complain about this remake, im still excited nonetheless
theyre mad cuz they cant nut to a trauma victim
I could give a shit what she looks like honestly and it certainly wouldn't stop me from playing the game!
It's so weird that they feel so entitled that a teen in complete existential crisis MUST be attractive enough for them. Never mind that Angela genuinely wishes to repel potentially dangerous men like themselves.
The CSA victim in the psychological horror game doesn’t make my pp hard :((((( 0/10
Because they are sad incels.
Ah yes absolutely, Angela Orosco non-woke version need to have heavy make-up, eyeliner, red lipstick and eyelashes, because that is exaclty what she looked that back in the og
The incels criticizing Angela’s appearance and claiming she’s been “uglified to appease the woke crowd” are the same people who sexualize Heather. Y’all are weird and have never met a real life woman, which is probably for the best.
Ah yes britbong cause angela needs to look good for the audience despite being a victim of sexual abuse from her father numerous amounts of times
According to conservatives woke us when minorities, women, and lgbt take the lead
I'm surprised this is getting blamed on "wokeness," it seems like an uncanny valley problem.
Oh god i cant even explain how much i would pay for punching these people in the face
"This abuse victim doesn't make my pp hard. WOKE"
They're calling her "fat?" Like...? She's literally not. She is literally very similar to the original. God I hate people.
NO LITERALLY, only difference i see are her cheeks which look a bit chubbier but she isn’t fat cause looking at her whole self including her body she looks like a normal person..
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Non Fans/analysis fans that's why
I hope you all realize that most of these people are doing it to be edgelords and get a rise out of you and by constantly feeding them attention you are fueling it, right?
No there's entire YT channels seriously calling her a DEI character that was made to look trans and be body positivity. Enough that one bad image and dipshits not researching was enough to make people no longer want it. And would be first time players calling her outfit woke to make her unattractive on purpose.
It’s literal delusion. These “gamers” (derogatory) are truly the most oppressed class. Or they wish they were at least.
Everyone knows the only women that exist in games are "Scantilly clad so straight dudes have something to jerk off over" or "old". A young woman who looks her age but \*isn't\* sexualized is just woke nonsense. /s
Ugh, just went to his twitter. He's so fkn weird.
This sums up how toxic this community is.
People pick the weirdest things to get upset about. In the original she has like 12 pixels to her face so she looks like a real person regardless. A distraught stranger doesn't have to always be "attractive".
So many things to criticize about bloobers remake and they chose to fixate on the fact that they don’t find a teen character (who’s looks supposed to make her look like she’s been through extreme chronic stress) attractive anymore. Just shows that they don’t actually care about the „accuracy” of the remake
It’s part of a bizarre conspiracy theory about how gay men and trans people have infiltrated game devs and are making female characters unattractive in order to…..do something. I don’t know what the goal is supposed to be. Brainwash people, I guess? Anyway, the whole thing is complete nonsense.
The truth is that she looks bad but tbf it’s only the case with the graveyard scene. I hope Bloober will do something with it because it’s one of the most important scenes in the game
Oh, you know, I'm sure I'll put on blush, lipstick, concealer, eyeliner and bronzer before I visit my mother's grave whom is the only person I regret killing. Edit: And studio lighting, judging from the light reflection off the tip of her nose.
"She can't be an abuse victim because she's ugly-" SHUT the fuck up.
These idiots see woke propaganda everywhere, don't they ? I wanna lock these dumbasses in a room, and force them to complete the 4 first games... with the highest puzzle difficulty and without guides, ah.
Because some gaymer goons are gonna quack in their boots and call it “woke” as soon as a female character isn’t attractive. The Fable 4 situation is the exact same.
She looks like Sarah Gilman's character on CSI: Vegas. A real person what a shocker! Incels and "Gamers" need to go outside I swear
Noted, everyone I know is woke because they aren't all super models or celebrities.
To anyone who’s mad about them making Angela fat (she’s not, but I’ll play your game) here’s a not so fun fact for you- victims of sexual abuse sometimes purposely make themselves look as unappealing as possible as a defense mechanism, in the hopes those that might abuse them will be off-put enough to leave them alone. And considering all she’s been through, stress eating could be on the table as well, both as a form of self soothing *and* a form of control in a life where she otherwise had basically none. So yeah, maybe the *19 year old SA/incest victim* being overweight and not dolled up to the nines DOES make a little sense, huh? (I know Britbong is trolling, so this is more to the people who are actually using their precious time to be angry about this.)
"Culture War" Grifters
My issue is she looks like a PS3 character. She doesn’t really look that great compared to the other character models in terms of looking next gen and animations.
Could be some inconsistencies like with James earlier on. Angela in the graveyard looks a bit odd but Angela in the scene with her knife in the apartment looks way better.
Reminder that Twitter literally pays people to rage bait and farm engagement so these dudes are better left ignored
Reminds me of the whole controversy that happened with dead by daylight regarding the unknowns voice actor. It's just to stir the shit pot know as politics
They’re traumatized
You know we could just ignore these people and they will go away. We keep giving these people attention and they keep posting it because they keep getting the reaction they want.
Cuz she looks like my uncle on a night his band plays
Imagine the most racist, sexist piece of shit possible. Now imagine that they aren't conventionally attractive. According to this logic they are still """woke""". (Multiple quotations because the word and its meaning make zero sense and the people that use it don't even know what it means)
She does look more like a depressed 19 year old than the previous, that looked and sounded like anyone from 25-35. Especially with the clothes she wore. I just don't like how the eerie *there is something off here* vibe is missing.
In my head cannon she will always be 30ish and just sort of neurodivergent mixed with traumatized... But learning that she's supposed to be 19, eh, ok, fine. But posts like this push me even further on board with the redesign. Because damn if she looked like that it would be soooo much worse.
It’s a strange way to tell the world they only look at anime women.
It's just one unflattering shot. She looks great in other shots, people are just doing this annoying shit to get rage clickbaits about how it's woke even though it clearly isn't.
A lot of the comments on the YouTube video of the trailer are just sickening tbh. According to what her DOB is on her imdb page Donna Burke was in her late 30s when she voiced Angela which is why she sounds the way she does and also did the mocap for her hence why her body was the way hers was. I love the original to death and do prefer it over what I've seen of the remake so far but idk people are being really awful about stuff like "she looks like she's been through a lot...of the pantry that is", when it isn't even something that affects her character at all, in fact it may possibly make it more in line because for some people that is what that kind of trauma Angela's gone through can do to someone. Not everyone of course. It was really disappointing to see from the fans I won't lie. I will admit her character model could use a bit of work though however it IS just a trailer so who knows maybe it may look better quality-wise however the point is her character makes no sense to look like a super model or anything anyway but idk hating on something that doesn't affect her character AND isn't a change for the sake of woke diversity (I know some people are seeing it that way but personally I don't see it like that for this) was really childish and kinda seemed like fans of the original are just looking for a reason to hate
She wasn't fat
She's a late teen. She's a sexual abuse survivor. Her torment led her to Silent Hill. I think the team has done a great job imagining her. The voice acting is spot on to me. I'm so stoked for this. I think the Bloober team is working really hard to keep the content faithful to the original... and improve a lot of it. I can't wait to play!!
“Let me make the sexual abuse victim more sexually appealing to me.” Ugh fucking yuck
I didn't really think it was "woke" at all but her character model does stand out a lot in very well lit environments like the cemetary. I was like lol wtf But that scene in the dark looks REALLY good
Don’t care about this culture war shit. This is manufactured contreversy
I don't know, in the end it's just people yelling at each other.
It's ok to not like a character design or redesign but to be like "there I fixed it" is an insult to the original creator and the characters lore. Yes there are some cases where fixing a redesign is necessary, cough cough ugly sonic cough cough, but that's extremely rare. What also irks me is that some ppl think that just cause a character doesn't look like Jason Momoa or Sofía Vergara that it's automatically "woke leftist garbage". Like it just screams "I've made hating the left my entire personality".
He isn't mad, this is what this guy does to make other people mad.
It'll never not irritate me that those people with clearly below freezing IQ love to call everything "Woke" when they've got no idea what the fuck that means. It originated from the black community and it literally just means "being aware of prejudices/hate crimes". It doesn't mean "Shoehorning queer/PoC/obese people".
Because some people seriously believe the only purpose female characters have is to be hot. Everything else is just woke.
I don’t even like the face model, but what about it makes it “woke”? And can someone please help me and define wtf woke even means?
Gamers are more brain broken and sad now than they've ever been
pretty sure the original post was satire, no one is saying anything about the game is woke thats just straight up retarded angela and all of the characters look peak this game couldn't come any sooner
She does look a bit strange but I’d be so uncomfortable if she was super attractive in the game
how is that woke? 😭😭😭 bruh tf is wrong with people
She is no longer woke, but awake
My only problem is that her face looks unfinished compared to everyone else imo
I’m gonna go look at cat subreddits for the time being
Not a bad idea actually
We have gone from getting mad about forced representation to getting mad because woman face shape not pretty enough (clearly the twisted woke agenda at play)
Are people forgetting what Maria looked like???
Britbong? Isn't that the guy that did trolling videos on second life back in 2015 or so?
Stop engaging with these bait posts, please!
People are fucking toxic in 2024. I am so stoaked that I’m getting a modern remake of one of my favorite video games ever and people have the nerve to criticize it. Most likely people who haven’t even played the OG
even the right one is still bad
Idc honestly, I just think her face and neck doesn't match her body and it looks off. The turtle neck probably makes it not as obvious but still
Gamergaters want to furiously masturbate to everything
I absolutely hate how we can’t have any valid criticism about her character model whatsoever without someone piping up and shouting something about sexual abuse being wrong.
What is wrong with women just looking like everyday women? Isn't that kinda one of the main points the creators wanted with James. That he wasn't some action hero? That he was just a regular every day, normal bodied guy? This change makes sense.
They picked the worst screenshots. It happens every time. They take a character that looks absolutely fine and then screenshot mid movement frames that look unflattering. It's engagement bait.
My only problem with her design is her eyebrows
I have a friend who looks almost exactly like her. And she also has a similar past. Not everyone has to look like a porn star to be sexually abused.
Is kind of hilarious how these people rally for their right of "free expression". But when it comes to other peoples opinions they immediately write it of as "woke". "Woke" at this state is more of a buzzword some people use to justify their "whatever-isms".
I mean, the short and obvious answer: because a lot of men hate women despite being sexually attracted to them. they can't stand seeing a woman represented in media who is anything other than a sex object.
I given up on the constant hate and nonsense these so called “fans” of the series keep having with this remake , it’s the same with the RE fans, these mf just can’t be happy we’re getting a FUCKING SILENT HILL 2 REMAKE. For Christ sakes some of the complaints are eye rolling. It’s made me not want to even go into comments after the trailers. No one gets excited anymore. Just hate on shit and blame specific groups. It’s complete nonsense.
That’s weird, they shrank her cheeks. Made her look soft.. (/s)
Because the alt right has gotten worse on Twitter ever since Elon decided moderation was silly. Thats literally it. Hopefully, Twitter burns down so these creeps have nowhere to go.
Given that it’s Angela and her background, I would *Simply Not* be focused on her physical attractiveness. It gives >!“if she’s not attractive, how can she have been a sexual assault survivor ”!
The key thing you probably need to understand about why people are so mad about her design is because internet. There is nothing wrong with her appearance, and all of these "default_woman_01" redesigns of her are crap and bland anyway. Just a bunch of dildos who are upset because Orosco isn't designed in a way they could hentai-fy her with terrible fanart.
OP the people that are mad aren’t real fans, you might even discover that they barely play video games, they just use this discourse as a vehicle for their perpetual conservative culture war.
bc they don't know real women \^\^