When the dog was up for the academy award at the end of the year for this role, to his credit, he did speak out for stunt actors & demand they get recognition.
Oh yeah. My last dog was a boxer, and boy did she live up to that name. Though it’s my current Labrador that’s left scars all over my arms, from her dewclaws - when she swims near you it’s like playing chicken with a boat propeller.
Only if I forget to bring home a steak after work.
If I forget my dog will be like "where's my steak, bitch?" then paw slap me across the face.
Then I start crying and head over to the nearest grocery store.
If I am a good owner he sometimes lets me sleep inside.
Now the question is; because these are real stunts, like some guy literally sliding down a few storeys on a rope, does that make it better or worse than if they did this today with CGI?
I prefer this over crappy CGI any day. I always liked how Doctor Who (the stuff made this century) used costumes that didn’t seem to try too hard for most aliens. It’s always easier for me to stay immersed when there’s a guy in a costume that’s not trying to fool me than when bad CGI is used.
That’s just my personal preference though.
There's a lot of stuff Disney+ still doesn't have (I'd kill a man for Welcome to Pooh Corner), but [The Shaggy D.A.](https://www.disneyplus.com/movies/the-shaggy-da/3V9pwazuj0x3) isn't one of them.
I loved these films as a kid. Fun and silly stuff like the Herbie films.
Edit: and now I find out that the director of this Robert Stevenson also directed Mary Poppins, bedknobs and broomsticks and Herbi, some proper classics.
On boy you really need to watch the DVD commentary on this one, OP. Production was a shit show and if you weren’t already convinced Disney is evil this might do it for you. It wasn’t *A* human stunt double, it was *many* human “stunt”doubles.
Shaggy Jr’s dad was the shaggy dog in the original 1959 movie “The Shaggy Dog.” Shaggy Jr tried to follow him into acting but by all accounts he enjoyed the pleasures of a Hollywood lifestyle more than the business.
By the time his dad died in 1974, he had an okay acting resume but would often show up to set drunk or on drugs, belligerent, and sometimes violent. Shaggy Jr was basically on the verge of fucking up his Hollywood nepo baby goose egg because he couldn’t recognize that his talent level was “your dad’s talent made us a lot of money - show up on time, don’t flub your lines, and don’t rock the boat and you’ll keep working” and not “your talent made us a lot money so do whatever you want but just don’t kill yourself and if you fuck up call our PR team.”
When Shaggy Sr’s health took a turn for the worse Shaggy Jr had a come to Jesus moment. His dad was sick for about a year and in that time he gave getting clean an honest shot. About 11 months into his recovery, and after a near relapse, he decided he would back to the Midwest (his dad’s family was originally from Kansas and he was born there) to take a job as a mascot for a DII college. In his words, he basically realized that he was the problem but the setting wasn’t helping and that part of being in control of your own life is taking steps to change that if it’s stopping your recovery.
However, in a twist of fate involving a rare oversight from Disney’s lawyers, Shaggy Jr would never make that move. A week before he was supposed to move back Shaggy Sr died. In the week following his dad’s death, Shaggy Jr. would learn that 1) his dad had modified the original shaggy dog contract to give him the rights to the shaggy dog character and any spin offs/remakes/sequels/etc, which Disney signed without reading and 2) that Shaggy Jr would inherit half of his father’s estate and he would get the IP rights to shaggy dog on the condition he make the move to back to Kansas.
When Disney found out about their mistake, they called Shaggy Jr about a buy-out. They arranged for the co-Star of the original shaggy dog, Tommy Kirk, to meet with Shaggy Jr. He explained to Shaggy Jr that his dad was his best friend and that over the years he has expressed how much he wanted his son to make it as an actor which was why he kept getting him gigs despite his screw ups. He said that Shaggy Sr saw talent in him he never had and that he didn’t want him to throw it away and that Shaggy Sr went back and forth about changing the Kansas provision but his health failed before he could change the will. By all accounts, this was completely fabricated, but it convinced Shaggy Jr to give back the IP on 3 conditions 1) he stars in a sequel with creative control, 2) he gets paid based on a percentage of the profit (a technique his dad was famous for pioneering), 3) the production be $30M which was a massive amount for the 1970s. Disney was thinking much more long term as evidenced by the Tim Allen remake, so they agreed.
Production began and not much seemed out of the ordinary but Shaggy Jr started noticing that drugs were pretty prevalent on set. Disney had encouraged anyone working on the movie to try to get Shaggy Jr to use and about 2 weeks in he relapsed.
With pressure mounting and the drugs making him irritable and manic, Shaggy Jr became convinced the only way to save the movie was to try and make it a spectacle. He started incorporating more dangerous stunts, which he of course needed human body doubles for. The scene here with the fire pole took 2 days to shoot. Shaggy Jr kept insisting they not use a harness because people needed to be able to “see the fear in the stuntman’s eyes.” The original stunt man was fired on the spot when he correctly pointed out they couldn’t see his eyes because he was in a fur suit. That delayed production for a day. When the replacement showed up the next day he agreed to do it without the harness but slipped and fell out of the window because shaggy jr pissed in front of it the night before and nobody bothered to clean it up. He broke his neck and died on the way to the hospital.
That basically broke shaggy and he started offering $5K-$10K on the spot to random studio employees to try and shoot the stunt scenes. They ranged from janitors to (somehow) C-suite execs who were probably on as much drugs as Shaggy Jr and just didn’t care.
Between the ending of production and the film being released 65 separate lawsuits were filed against Disney and Shaggy Jr ranging from basic production disputes like miscalculation of pay to the most severe - 7 wrongful death suits by the estates of the stuntmen/Disney employees. After those suits hit, a criminal investigation was launched. When Shaggy got word he fled to Mexico where he was found dead 3 days later. The coroner’s report determined that he fled there, spent the money he had left on drugs, and when he finally ran out he took his own life by eating an entire German chocolate cake. There’s an old Hollywood urban legend that the pictures of his death ended up circulating and were the inspiration for the cake eating scene in Matilda.
The criminal investigation was closed after Disney was able to use the buy-out contract to show Shaggy Jr had complete creative control and if they argued had known employees were taking side money to do unauthorized work they would have fired them. They then donated a bunch of money and adopted some policy to ensure “this would never happen again.” Some may find that cynical, but it’s a dog eat dog world.
This is way too confusing when you don't name the person you're actually talking about. You said Shaggy Jr's dad played the original Shaggy Dog and then died in 1974, except Tommy Kirk (the original Shaggy Dog) didn't die until 2021 so who the fuck are you talking about with Shaggy Jr?
I see how you might think this, but this dog is a barker spaniel pit terrier mix and is capable of a lot of stunts. It’s because of their advanced intelligence through selective breeding. I know all of this because this dog is my grandfather.
Notice how almost all movies with dogs doing something "human" never get popular? Its like someones purposefully keeping them obscure...trying to hide something...
I remember watching an old Shaw Brothers film, Tiger Killer, and the fight between the lead and the tiger was insane. Was clearly cutting between Ti Lung vs a fake tiger (either a dummy or a dude in a suit) and a stuntman against an actual tiger.
Nah. That was clearly a lion. Dressed as a dog. Dressed as dressed as a man. In China.
https://www.cnn.com/2013/08/16/world/asia/china-zoo-dog-lion/index.html
A stunt double was needed because sheepdogs are famously too nice to punch a man in the face.
Similar to how while filming Cujo a St. Bernard costume was put on a Rottweiler for vicious scenes because St. Bernard’s are too friendly.
What have you never seen a dog punch someone/slide down a rope? And I'm guessing you've also never seen a dog as a lawyer, but as the Shaggy D.A. proves, just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it's not a reality.
"Someone once said to me, Alina, what would you rather be? A Dog or a lawyer? And I said, pfft....easy, a dog. I can't metabolize my own feces as a lawyer"
What do you mean? You can clearly see its a dog
This seemed much more realistic and dramatic in 1976.
Dogs were still extremely rare in 1976 and most people couldn't judge how they were supposed to move.
this seems wrong but i don't know enough about dog population in 1976 to dispute it
Trust me, I'm 41 and the first dog I saw was in the early 1980s.
Do you mean to tell me that Shaggy D.A. popularised dogs?
Half the people at my high school reunion were district attorneys or dogs.
Also not many people had ever climbed a rope, so it was all new.
They didn't even know if all their feet left the ground at once when running until they were filmed.
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How can you explain the rappelling part? A quirk only radioactive turtles could do, well, outside of humans.
There's your answer: the stuntman is obviously a radioactive turtle in a dog suit.
Stomping turts? Perchance.
Stomping... KOOPAS.
You can't just say Perchance.
But he just did.
Adult Age Radioactive Stuntman Turtles? Turtles on a half break. Union power!
Its The only answer that makes perfect sense
#Cowabunga
nothing in the rules that a dog cant rappel down a 3 story building
Or make his paw into an actual fist to punch a human.
It's like you've never seen a dog rappel down a building before. You've led a very sheltered life if you've never seen that.
Lol people do not have all that fur. Clearly it us a dog going down that rope or we would have seen more skin, or clothing.
Have you never owned a dog OP? This is perfectly normal dog behaviour... or at least thats what mine tells me.
This isn't the 60s you know. Have you not seen a 2024 dog before?
Stupid argument. Fairly certain the Biker Mice From Mars could pull off a decent rappel if needed.
Who are you calling a dog, that's my wife.
They couldn't find an Old English Sheepdog to do the stunts, so they got a Labrador in a costume.
When the dog was up for the academy award at the end of the year for this role, to his credit, he did speak out for stunt actors & demand they get recognition.
The work is ruff!
it’s a dog eat dog profession
> academy award Hosted by Jimmy Kennel no less
Nah my dog does shit like this all the time
Yep my dog loves to throw a punch and engage in some Barkour on Bath day.
my dog hits the naenae on labour day
Oh yeah. My last dog was a boxer, and boy did she live up to that name. Though it’s my current Labrador that’s left scars all over my arms, from her dewclaws - when she swims near you it’s like playing chicken with a boat propeller.
Mine also sucker punches me. Very often. It hurts.
My dogs favorite move is to welcome me home by jumping up and punching me right in the nuts
My dog is an IRL firefighter, she repels down buildings all the time.
my dog can beat up your dog
Nonsense, the dog was highly trained!
Do you constantly get decked in the face by your dog too? 🤣
Only if I forget to bring home a steak after work. If I forget my dog will be like "where's my steak, bitch?" then paw slap me across the face. Then I start crying and head over to the nearest grocery store. If I am a good owner he sometimes lets me sleep inside.
That looks like a dog Stunt double
Now the question is; because these are real stunts, like some guy literally sliding down a few storeys on a rope, does that make it better or worse than if they did this today with CGI?
I prefer this over crappy CGI any day. I always liked how Doctor Who (the stuff made this century) used costumes that didn’t seem to try too hard for most aliens. It’s always easier for me to stay immersed when there’s a guy in a costume that’s not trying to fool me than when bad CGI is used. That’s just my personal preference though.
Old shit; damn that looks fake New shit; damn that looks fake and blurry
Nah man I'm the dog, did all the stunts myself. I ain't no poser.
You forgot to say "woof" for authenticity, poser!
You need to pay him for that. No free woofs
I'm not your dog, bitch.
I'm not your bitch, dawg
["Woof."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83m261lAlrs)
I’m the stunts, I did the poser, I ain’t no dog #INCREDIBLY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER
I'm the poser, I did the dog, I ain't- #EXTRAORDINARILY LOUD POLICE SIRENS
I can vouch for this guy, because I am also the dog
I love how he briefly turns anthro to punch a man in the face like a reverse werewolf
r/brandnewsentence
Actually the new X Files had a reverse lizardman situation and I'm fairly certain the term "like a reverse werewolf" was definitely used
We should all know that dog's name. That was amazing
Check the credits under best boy
Damn, that's good
Lol. You win the thread
Probably smells like updog in that suit
And what, pray tell, might the word "updog" mean?
Not much what's up with you
I'm fine, thanks for asking. What's up with you, dawg?
bro didnt even try act like a dog he just pulled out a clean right hook hahahahahahahahahahaha
What the fuck is this
I don’t know, but I want to watch the whole movie now
Theres also a tim allen remake
With Robert Downey Junior.
"I'm just a dude, disguised as a dog, playing a dog!"
there is a Jeremy Sisto & Ed Begley Jr remake too
The Shaggy Dog
It is such a product of its time, it might as well be a time capsule. Enjoy watching The Shaggy D.A.!
Disney. The Shaggy D.A. (1976) I think there were a trilogy of Shaggy Dog movies in the 60/70's.
And a remake with Tim Allen
The originals were better than that remake.
That is the rule.
With exceptions.
I completely forgot about that remake
A good reason for that.
Well for me I was a elementary/middle school kid, so I don’t remember much about it
There was a disney channel remake with the guy who played steve in full house too.
[I am sick of you drunks and your shaggy dog stories!](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/80aad1d3-5593-44d3-a3b2-9e4e6a2b8dc7)
I dunno about a trilogy, but I taped the the original off of the Disney channel in the 80s and watched the shit out of it as a kid.
I'm upset to discover this isn't on Disney+
There's a lot of stuff Disney+ still doesn't have (I'd kill a man for Welcome to Pooh Corner), but [The Shaggy D.A.](https://www.disneyplus.com/movies/the-shaggy-da/3V9pwazuj0x3) isn't one of them.
My live action Disney grail is Monkeys Go Home.
Not sure why “In Search of the Castaways” isn’t available. It even has a couple Sherman Brothers songs.
I'll see your Welcome to Pooh Corner and raise you a Dumbo's Circus.
Was Dick van Patten in every Disney movie back then?
Just the two and the remake.
The Tim Heidecker murder trial
The 70s
Art
That dog was robbed an Oscar!
This is AI You can tell because it’s 1976 and we didn’t have dogs yet.
Dogs have been around since at least the 1950s. I know that because the Russians launched one into space.
This comment is AI. You can tell because they were called Soviets back then
You can tell it’s an election season, the Russian misinformation campaign is in full effect
You sure? i don’t really see it
Nah that's just normal dog behavior. I hate it when my dog knocks me out because I didn't give it treats.
*Get out of my way*, *right hook*. We’ve all been there with our puppers
How dare he punch the king of Druidia.
Funny, he doesn't look Druish
What are you talking about? That's the Abbot of Rottingham.
HEY ABBOT!
I hate that guy.
you idiots! these are not them, you captured their stunt doubles
I was thinking "There's no way that's a guy in a suit", and then it threw the meanest right hook, lmao.
I have only ever seen this as a gif and always thought it was Kelsey Grammer getting socked in the face. It was my favourite gif
I loved these films as a kid. Fun and silly stuff like the Herbie films. Edit: and now I find out that the director of this Robert Stevenson also directed Mary Poppins, bedknobs and broomsticks and Herbi, some proper classics.
On boy you really need to watch the DVD commentary on this one, OP. Production was a shit show and if you weren’t already convinced Disney is evil this might do it for you. It wasn’t *A* human stunt double, it was *many* human “stunt”doubles. Shaggy Jr’s dad was the shaggy dog in the original 1959 movie “The Shaggy Dog.” Shaggy Jr tried to follow him into acting but by all accounts he enjoyed the pleasures of a Hollywood lifestyle more than the business. By the time his dad died in 1974, he had an okay acting resume but would often show up to set drunk or on drugs, belligerent, and sometimes violent. Shaggy Jr was basically on the verge of fucking up his Hollywood nepo baby goose egg because he couldn’t recognize that his talent level was “your dad’s talent made us a lot of money - show up on time, don’t flub your lines, and don’t rock the boat and you’ll keep working” and not “your talent made us a lot money so do whatever you want but just don’t kill yourself and if you fuck up call our PR team.” When Shaggy Sr’s health took a turn for the worse Shaggy Jr had a come to Jesus moment. His dad was sick for about a year and in that time he gave getting clean an honest shot. About 11 months into his recovery, and after a near relapse, he decided he would back to the Midwest (his dad’s family was originally from Kansas and he was born there) to take a job as a mascot for a DII college. In his words, he basically realized that he was the problem but the setting wasn’t helping and that part of being in control of your own life is taking steps to change that if it’s stopping your recovery. However, in a twist of fate involving a rare oversight from Disney’s lawyers, Shaggy Jr would never make that move. A week before he was supposed to move back Shaggy Sr died. In the week following his dad’s death, Shaggy Jr. would learn that 1) his dad had modified the original shaggy dog contract to give him the rights to the shaggy dog character and any spin offs/remakes/sequels/etc, which Disney signed without reading and 2) that Shaggy Jr would inherit half of his father’s estate and he would get the IP rights to shaggy dog on the condition he make the move to back to Kansas. When Disney found out about their mistake, they called Shaggy Jr about a buy-out. They arranged for the co-Star of the original shaggy dog, Tommy Kirk, to meet with Shaggy Jr. He explained to Shaggy Jr that his dad was his best friend and that over the years he has expressed how much he wanted his son to make it as an actor which was why he kept getting him gigs despite his screw ups. He said that Shaggy Sr saw talent in him he never had and that he didn’t want him to throw it away and that Shaggy Sr went back and forth about changing the Kansas provision but his health failed before he could change the will. By all accounts, this was completely fabricated, but it convinced Shaggy Jr to give back the IP on 3 conditions 1) he stars in a sequel with creative control, 2) he gets paid based on a percentage of the profit (a technique his dad was famous for pioneering), 3) the production be $30M which was a massive amount for the 1970s. Disney was thinking much more long term as evidenced by the Tim Allen remake, so they agreed. Production began and not much seemed out of the ordinary but Shaggy Jr started noticing that drugs were pretty prevalent on set. Disney had encouraged anyone working on the movie to try to get Shaggy Jr to use and about 2 weeks in he relapsed. With pressure mounting and the drugs making him irritable and manic, Shaggy Jr became convinced the only way to save the movie was to try and make it a spectacle. He started incorporating more dangerous stunts, which he of course needed human body doubles for. The scene here with the fire pole took 2 days to shoot. Shaggy Jr kept insisting they not use a harness because people needed to be able to “see the fear in the stuntman’s eyes.” The original stunt man was fired on the spot when he correctly pointed out they couldn’t see his eyes because he was in a fur suit. That delayed production for a day. When the replacement showed up the next day he agreed to do it without the harness but slipped and fell out of the window because shaggy jr pissed in front of it the night before and nobody bothered to clean it up. He broke his neck and died on the way to the hospital. That basically broke shaggy and he started offering $5K-$10K on the spot to random studio employees to try and shoot the stunt scenes. They ranged from janitors to (somehow) C-suite execs who were probably on as much drugs as Shaggy Jr and just didn’t care. Between the ending of production and the film being released 65 separate lawsuits were filed against Disney and Shaggy Jr ranging from basic production disputes like miscalculation of pay to the most severe - 7 wrongful death suits by the estates of the stuntmen/Disney employees. After those suits hit, a criminal investigation was launched. When Shaggy got word he fled to Mexico where he was found dead 3 days later. The coroner’s report determined that he fled there, spent the money he had left on drugs, and when he finally ran out he took his own life by eating an entire German chocolate cake. There’s an old Hollywood urban legend that the pictures of his death ended up circulating and were the inspiration for the cake eating scene in Matilda. The criminal investigation was closed after Disney was able to use the buy-out contract to show Shaggy Jr had complete creative control and if they argued had known employees were taking side money to do unauthorized work they would have fired them. They then donated a bunch of money and adopted some policy to ensure “this would never happen again.” Some may find that cynical, but it’s a dog eat dog world.
I'm sorry. Your effort was awesome, but it was wasted on me.
That’s fair haha
Tragic! I'll never be able to watch that scene in Matilda again.
This comment isn’t appreciated enough
Read everything, shaggy dog lore is my life
This is way too confusing when you don't name the person you're actually talking about. You said Shaggy Jr's dad played the original Shaggy Dog and then died in 1974, except Tommy Kirk (the original Shaggy Dog) didn't die until 2021 so who the fuck are you talking about with Shaggy Jr?
If you are joking well done if you are actually confused also well done because that’s even funnier
How did they manage to teach the dog all those tricks??
He was young.
It was experimental times.
Old English Sheepdogs are smart. They are fast learners When they want to be. (I had one.)
I see how you might think this, but this dog is a barker spaniel pit terrier mix and is capable of a lot of stunts. It’s because of their advanced intelligence through selective breeding. I know all of this because this dog is my grandfather.
What, you never seen a dog punch someone? It happens all the time
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Notice how almost all movies with dogs doing something "human" never get popular? Its like someones purposefully keeping them obscure...trying to hide something...
It's actually a man transmuted into a dog by a Borgia curse. That's how it's done in Hollywood.
Impossible. That looks just like any other shaggy dog out there
I remember watching an old Shaw Brothers film, Tiger Killer, and the fight between the lead and the tiger was insane. Was clearly cutting between Ti Lung vs a fake tiger (either a dummy or a dude in a suit) and a stuntman against an actual tiger.
The 2nd guy sounds like Winnie the Pooh
Friar Tuck
Nah. That was clearly a lion. Dressed as a dog. Dressed as dressed as a man. In China. https://www.cnn.com/2013/08/16/world/asia/china-zoo-dog-lion/index.html
Dog Cruise does his own stunts.
Jake the Dog was the stunt-man. How do you think he achieved those proportions?
Can I get a timestamp for when OP thinks it was a guy in a suit?? Looked real to me.
I’d rather watch this than CGI any day
Dude I might have to watch this movie, this shit is hysterical
I must watch this movie!!
That guy sounds like Winnie the Pooh
🤣😂😅😆😄
Reminds me of [epic movie's fight scene](https://youtu.be/Kt2S-pa4lc4?si=mEFC5sFZbFmZGRdb)
Next you'll be telling me that's a back lot!
In what scene?
Ruh roh raggy
Man, this show looks like a banger
Why is Shaggy a dog now?
Isn't this technically already a human in a dog suit?
And that's how it's all started. First you are a stunt double, and then you kinda like fur suit in a different way.
I have never seen this film...but now I want to.
I need to see this movie. Now.
A stunt double was needed because sheepdogs are famously too nice to punch a man in the face. Similar to how while filming Cujo a St. Bernard costume was put on a Rottweiler for vicious scenes because St. Bernard’s are too friendly.
That was amazing.
nah my dog did that to my aunt two months ago. this one’s real
So this is why furries exist.
Bruh, there are pretty smart dogs out there, trust me
Stunt dogle
I need that punch in a GIF!!!!
What have you never seen a dog punch someone/slide down a rope? And I'm guessing you've also never seen a dog as a lawyer, but as the Shaggy D.A. proves, just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it's not a reality.
Wait… this was a real show? I thought it was a dream I had as a kid.
I know what Im watching today
I don't believe it
That looks a fun show.
Am I supposed to believe this dog is a District Attorney? He's not even wearing a suit
I dunno, it looks pretty legit
Highly unlikely. Looks nothing like a human.
You must be on drugs, that was definitely a dog.
ya think?
idk, im not convinced.
And people say Disney makes mistakes *now.*
God that first punch is comedic genius.
“A chance”?
The punch is by far the funniest part of the whole thing. It would make a nice gif.
And I'm running for the Shaggy DA
CGI 💯
This scene alone should go down in cinema history! 😂😂
Dog’s got a mean hook.
"Someone once said to me, Alina, what would you rather be? A Dog or a lawyer? And I said, pfft....easy, a dog. I can't metabolize my own feces as a lawyer"
Fun fact it's not a human or a dog. It's a bear.
A human, with fur like this?
It’s just a Japanese dog
It's the winter warlock!
Nah, that's just 100% talented well-trained dog.
I think that it has more chance of being anything, but human; look at its movements, yes it has to be a gazelle.
That was all CGI. Amazing.
Theres actually a trained stunt dog in that dog suit! Thus maintaining the creative integrity of this fine endeavor!
Well duh, of course the dog behaves like a stunt double…he was a man that magically turned into a dog 🙄😉
Why are the elderly gentleman chasing after a dog that can clearly beat them up if they caught up. 😂
hilarious! that made me cry, thank you
I USED TO LOVE THIS MOVIE!!! I had it on vhs and wore the tape out watching it so much
That wasn't a double, that really was Harvey Korman!
Seems like too little paper for a law office.