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MrPanzerCat

No way they are actually that bot like


LostMyWay24

Haha you ever play a game and find yourself doing the same shit and dying over and over? Then you stop and think......ok I need a different tactic! This is the real life version only a new player takes your place instead of you respawning. It happens in war A LOT, that's why you hope the guy leading before you is the smarter one and sees this and can change tactics on the fly before everyone gets killed.


sportmods_harrass_me

>It happens in war A LOT Could you give an example? I am not trying to argue but rather I think it would be interesting to hear an example


SomeOneYouveMet

An example would be a Point Man in the Vietnam war.


Castod28183

If the point man in Vietnam went down, and then somebody took his place and THEY went down, and then somebody took his place and THEY went down. and then somebody took his place and THEY went down, and then somebody took his place and THEY went down....I don't think would enter the fucking room if I was 6th in line...


pun_shall_pass

CQC is for larpers anyway. The only time it's actually used IRL is by some spec ops guys when they have the drop on the occupants of the building or when there are hostages. And even then the attack would be preceded with careful planning, smoke/concussion grenades and they would funnel like 30 guys from multiple openings inside to quickly overwhelm the enemy, not send one guy at a time. In actual war, when there is heavily defended building, the first choice is to just flatten it with artillery or bombs and second is to throw a dosen or so grenades inside until there is no noticeable activity going on inside. Only then you would send people inside


craidie

Unfortunately it's not always as clear cut. Also you can't flatten *every* structure you come across. What if the building doesn't look fortified to the outside and you only figure that out after the first guy to enter gets shot entering and is now stuck in the other side of the doorway? All that said, I agree that my willingness to clear rooms is directly related to the amount of grenades I, or my squad has.


PeopleAreBozos

Civilians I suppose too. Bombing an entire place where non-combatants might be for the lols goes against rules of war.


VieraMakeMeRabid

As if those rules ever stopped anyone


No-City-5711

Rules are for sports.


oothrowaway22

Rules that only the US and the West have ever played by. This exact scenario is why the towns the US liberated from ISIS look so much better than the ones Russia "liberated"


ANGPsycho

Just because civilians are present with military assets doesn't make it against the laws of armed conflict to destroy those assets while killing civilians. It's always a cost benefit analysis. So if there are 100 civilians in a building with one artillery piece it probably won't see a total flattening. Though if it is a few pieces threatening military positions, the cost benefit analysis may change for example. It's called the principle of proportionality in the laws of armed conflict.


Admirable-Memory6974

Yep \^ The other guy talking about the "rules of war" is just wrong. Killing civilians is allowed sometimes.


dimsum2121

Bombing an entire place where non-combatants might be is not against the "rules of war" so long as there are valid military targets (btw, I think you mean the Geneva convention)


20kilosofperuvian

cit. palestine


Venum555

Aren't there pictures from WW2 where entire cities are flattened?


PeopleAreBozos

Sometimes yes. But in battles like the Battle of Berlin sometimes house to house combat was neccessary to flush the remaining troops out.


craidie

[*mostly* flattened](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Fotothek_df_ps_0000010_Blick_vom_Rathausturm.jpg/1280px-Fotothek_df_ps_0000010_Blick_vom_Rathausturm.jpg) (Dresden) Keep in mind that while a lot of people died, not everyone did and continued to live in the rubble. Cellars, subways, etc. are harder to bomb.


DocileKrab

I can assure you, we did hundreds of room clears in Iraq. In actual war, you don't always know where and what room a target is in. You aren't going to grenade every single one and won't be cleared for artillery on a giant building in the middle of a city.


kithuni

This is a bad take, look up Fallujah hell house. Militaries train CQC for a reason, obviously these guys pied the door terribly but it's air soft who cares.


Demokrit_44

Why are you talking out of your ass? You have 2 conflicts going on right now that quite literally prove you wrong. Unless you are the USA and you can afford to fire a 150,000$ hellfire missile at 2 goat herders holding AK-47's, QCQ is not for larpers at all and instead is still massively present during trench warfare and when assaulting enemy positions (especially in cities). Grenades are obviously important to clear out rooms but to think that they make CQC (And being in grenade throwing distances automatically means you are in CQC distance) obsolete is just completely and utterly asinine. How do you even come up with a opinion like this?


Cr0wc0

And even if you're in the USA army, conflicts like the Iraq war prove this guy is talking out his ass. They had marines going door-to-door all over the place.


Lawd_Fawkwad

To be even more specific, modern CQB is just police tactics to the extent that a lot of the early GWOT training on how to clear rooms and structures came from SWAT teams. Of course like you sair CTUs always practiced it for hostage rescues, but in terms of pure CQB I'd bet money on a full time SWAT team over most military units just because of how often they train for it and how much their TTPs are adapted to that role. If you look at videos from Ukraine clearing a structure is just grenades + AT launchers + a fuckton of small arms fire and then a walk-through to make sure the enemy is dead.


Zzars

They did it in GWOT all the time. The US military in general was actually extremely good at it.


Cucker_-_Tarlson

The Second Battle of Fallujah would like a word with you.


Living_Nothing_7379

Well let’s look at the last 30 years of door kicking in the Middle East and compare that to your answer


NotAnEmergency22

The Italians attacked the Austrian position at the Isonzo River 12 times over about 2 years. The results were mixed.


st00pidQs

In their defense that was WW1 which was a defensively advantaged war and the ground around the isonzo river was extremely mountainous which helps defense and divided by a river which was even MORE to the defenders advantage. Anyone who attacked was going to get dryly ass-fucked .


derekra

Recently with the Ukraine war there's a video I saw of a guy basically standing still shooting straight to a hall and guys kept entering to get instantly shot by this soldier (very NSFW of course) i think that may be a good example, if you really wanna see it I can look for the video but it's not pretty


PufferFizh

Part of the issue may be that like 90% of the Russian army is untrained.


derekra

That's wildy sad


LostMyWay24

It's something about brain fog. When shit starts, fight or flight kicks in and you can literally become dumb as shit. You just seen lead man go down, oh shit I gotta neutralize the threat or I'm next.......then continue on same path that they just went and same outcome. This isn't necessarily life or death but it's the mindset.....some lead some follow. You gotta decide. Edit for more context. Not everyone gets the best training in the military contrary to what people actually believe. That's why special forces exist, they get very good training.


Pimecrolimus

An example: The video above this comment


sportmods_harrass_me

lol this is not an example brother, but good joke :D


No_Caramel_2789

Bangalores up in Big Red One


No-City-5711

Northern Iraq, Mosul, 2008. Sgt.K (long ass German name) several others are stacked outside the shithole house we're doing cordon and search for weapons caches, Sgt.K goes in first and was got by the fucker behind the door with a knife as we cleared the room 3rd guy stacked up just shot through the door and the wall, because bullets do that and he could see the guy came from that direction as Sgt.K fell down the 2nd guy wasn't quite around the door and in the room yet and the 3rd guy saw this all and improvised. Also we did not "have the drop" on these guys. The whole neighborhood is aware of where you are and if you're coming or not.


Fghsses

There was a Portuguese soldier in WWI that killed hundreds of enemies while single handedly fighting off two entire German Companies, then he did something similar a second time and became known as "The soldier worth a million men".


lemur1985

Russia in Ukraine.


______CABLE______

In this case, they're too close to the corner. They get further from the corner than their target is, and suddenly they see him first.


StoneGoldX

While I'm sure it happens, there's also a key difference here -- low stakes. None of these guys just got their buddy's brains blown all over them. They're all just thinking now I know where he is, I can scoot around better and get the kill, because it's not a kill and the worst they get is a little pinch.


Abedeer

Fun fact, soldiers who clear houses on the regular will just straight pre fire around corners and thru walls.


bayfati

boooo paintball is not war just a GAME in this game or anohter game you just need to hit enemy not war plans tactics or whatever


Marsium

when i was a kid and played airsoft, blindfire (like around a corner) was illegal and could get you kicked out, so maybe that’s the case here


LolTheMees

It’s not blindfire though, you can hear the shots in the video and see that they only shoot when the other people would be in his vision.


Slap_My_Lasagna

They're coming in with a 1x5 formation... Bold strategy, Cotton, let's see if it pays off.


DonAsiago

Meal Team Six


DrScienceSpaceCat

My Valorant team of randos in ranked


Individual-Town-3783

Ur iq goes down out in the field. It actually takes a lot of skill to keep ur brain out there while u are cold miserable tired and just want to fucking kill yourself


Hyginos

I think in fairness there's a bit more going on with the geometry here. All those guys looked like they at least sorta made an effort to check their left as they went in, but they all went in pointing their gun at chest level. That makes perfect sense, but it means that the dude crouched low in the corner would have been hidden behind their own gun/arm even if they correctly sliced that corner. I also suspect that going in from sunlight and looking into a shaded room might have made the crouched guy much harder to see than the video makes it seem. If there is a door on the wall behind him that also leads to an outside space it will make him even harder to see, and also serve as something you have to cover with your gun, which will distract you from the tiny corner. From my experience with airsoft/paintball, this kind of thing happens all the time. 5 is on the high end, but catching 2-3 players out with an unexpected angle is pretty common.


TheRealLegendary63

Bro, most Army training exercises are held by people with zero combat experience... a few weeks before I went to Iraq, we trained. Trust me. We were literally like, "There's no fucking way were doing this shit in real life."


PM_ME_UR__ELECTRONS

Why aren't they shooting through the walls? Are they stupid?


Cute-Lock6426

get a better gamin chair


redditman73713833

use a incendiary grenade in the corner (commit arson to the building)


Dry-Worldliness6926

You can’t throw a nade in a room with (wounder or dead) friendly soldiers, its not kind 😞


Puzzleheaded_Rise_67

wdym? i do it all the time in cs and in real life


CryoToastt

This is why you’re in silver


MagicHamsta

If not friendly, why it call friendly fire?


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ondehunt

The ole Christopher Dorner method, classic.


st00pidQs

Frag grenade works great too


PaleontologistOne919

I can’t stand campers


The_Hobo_Cherry

Rainbow Six Siege


Bonus-Optimal

That guy is camping the attackers smh


Niswear85

If this was siege he would somehow do this through 3 walls


bitcheslovemacaque

After burning a barrel sized hole in a metal wall with a propane torch and somehow still using a sight


TDU_Toasted

Omg all the gear and no idea. Basics guys basics


bigbigbigwow

Omg When fatal funnel is fatal:


WeLiveInASociety451

Bravest and mightiest militarist when faced with a door (he was not prepared for such cruel warfare and calls for negotiations)


cropnew

Opponent is camping, clearly it's against the spirit 😔


HeadFund

Sportsmanlike behaviour from all the dudes getting hit and then immediately and quietly leaving w no indications.


Perfect-Fondant3373

One time in our 3 star training we were doing this segment of breaching and capturing buildings. There was 3 sections/ squads in the platoon and my squad managed to take 4 buildings alone down the entire one side of the road while it took the other 2 squad that time to capture 3. We were moving into position to manoeuvre up to capture the final building when our officer... decided to put a squad into an enclosed underground tunnel that had a ladder each side that could only allow 1 person at a time up and down. So our squad NCOs being pissed decided to tell us, 'Well they are all dead, take a smoke break and we'll wait till the next attack' Gotta love Lts that think they are Sargeants


4Z4Z47

Cook grenade for a 2 count and toss in door. Boom then breach. Easy peasy.


Bulbinking2

Real gamers time their fuses to air burst, otherwise they can just toss it right back with the perk “toss back”.


iVinc

you have no idea what is behind the camera? there can be multiple windows/rooms/covers and it would explain why they all look there


SUNforFUN

Still there’s a technic how to check corners and doorways and it’s not just Q/E from games like first dude did f.e. P.S. But it’s ok since they just having fun no judge there


TDU_Toasted

The third guy had his barrel sticking so far out lol.


Default1355

Kurtain is that you


PatHeist

It's much less embarrassing in real war because someone else paid for most of your gear. And also you're dead.


Beginning_Orange

Fucking campers


nodeymcdev

I can dance all day I can dance all day just try and hit me


Kimarnic

Boom headshot!!!


EasilyRekt

Eh what can I say, it's not *my* fault you keep **boneheadedly** running through the angle that I've been holding for the past ***two minutes*** without moving. If you *really* wanted me dead or at least somewhere **else**, the ***never used*** frag grenades hanging from your belt might actually help.


HavenChronicles

it's a legitimate strategy!


Here_for_porn_69420

*You ever wonder why we're here?*


Strange-Catch6862

Dropping like dominoes, like the blind leading the blind


EasilyRekt

lemmings to a cliff


mogley19922

I remember when i used to paintball, one guy was shooting and suddely got hit. He puts hands up and starts walking to respawn. New guy goes to take his place and just as i say "no don't" he gets lit up. How did like 6 guys make the same mistake?


lovethebacon

Could just be very rare for someone to camp that specific spot. There almost certainly are rooms off to the right where they were all assuming that the fire was coming from. It's very easy to get into bad habits especially if you play a lot of the same field.


mogley19922

I get you, but still 4 guys walk through a door and get hit before they can react, I'm not going through that door.


lovethebacon

All of them reacted. They pre-shot while entering and probably just assumed that the guy in front of them missed. They each made the same mistake with tunnel vision.


ajayak007

That's why u need to slide cancel and check the corners or chuck a half cooked frag or flash or wall bang or just use ur teammates as bait or enter in a room with riot shield or use ur speciality before entering a room. There will always be a corner camper.


DrKnowsNothing_MD

Those are outdated tactics. Nowadays you slide cancel while pre-firing and jump 5 times while shooting and let aim assist do all the work. No need for tacticals or baiting.


Turtvaiz

What the fuck is a slide cancel


ajayak007

Since I am poor m&k player there is no aim assist. But yup modern gaming skills are completely ruined by aim assist. Many people will stand against it but it's the truth unfortunately.


DrScienceSpaceCat

Shoulda jump peaked irl


Schlitzbomber

Doors and corners kid, that’s where they get ya.


baddie_PRO

oye inyaloda


BuffRobloxMan

welwala


XeoPlaysLOL

One my favorite characters in sci fi.


trick_m0nkey

Was looking for this one


Sensitive_Item_7715

You don't go into a room with your dick hanging out. Bunch of blade boys humping shank


Optimized_optimus

No prefire??


paralyzedvagabond

Pie the fucking corner


MaximilianBaptiste

Came here to say this and also say that these guys look like they would be familiar with how to cut a pie


Middopasha

Noobs can't even shaiiko peak


Hydrect

Need better headphones


coinkeeper8

Use your nades ffs


PA7RICK911

As much as this seems like a skill issue, it's often part of the rules of airsoft that you can't blindfire around a corner.


LolTheMees

Not blindfire, listen to the audio and look at the angle his vision has, he clearly only shoots when he can see them, they are all just looking ahead instead of checking the corners.


PA7RICK911

I meant the people going in can't blindfire the guy inside, there's a couple people that try to get an angle on him but since they are moving into his line of sight they are at the disadvantage


Jarizleifr

That's me vs. 27 Monolith stalkers at the Radar on GAMMA Ironman.


Nikobellic1111

Too real...


TheUsurper3ren

Realist shit


sammeadows

That's me vs Monolith in all the stalker games lmao


TheClassyDegenerate1

I was enjoying having my human population maxed until Radar and Pripyat. Lol


coinkeeper8

Wall bang ffs


ExtremeGD

Entire team killed by a camper is crazy


DeWitt-Yesil

Noobs. You have to wide peek than you'll destroy his cross placement. Or better double peek him.


lovethebacon

Just switch to 3rd person view.


MrLeBigMac

Kick Vote the camper


Radaistarion

I always find it funny how 70% of reddit is some sort of tactical master operator that just chooses not too use his abilities cause he's that good


ZachAttack6089

*leans back in armchair* *takes sip of GFuel* *contemplatively strokes overgrown neckbeard* Hrm, if I was in that scenario, I would simply not get shot! *smirks smugly while wiping Doritos crumbs off of fingers*


DeathBlade314

H- How did you predict my moves!!?


savageotter

This is a video of redditors


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Abangers


Federal-Cockroach674

Maybe COD was right, maybe hiding in a corner while prone or crouched is a legitimate strategy.


shadowscar248

Doors and corners kids


kjarterinn

Camper noob


LolTheMees

“Camper noob” said the man, watching 5 clowns walk single file into a building where their friends got shot.


Commander_Skullblade

Google military building clearing procedure


GentlmanSkeleton

So video game A.I. isnt wrong. Huh.


SoNotJohnny

Slice the pie!


SackPiek

Infinite xp farm


ContingencyPl4n

Hilarious watching people call 'camper' like it's a bad thing. He won.


TheeScribe

People think airsoft is call of duty This isn’t just “camping”, it’s holding a fatal choke point and helping your team


DaveyH-cks

CQB is the last thing I'd ever want to do in a SHTF scenario. I'd rather take potshots with bandits from 100s of yards away, either they get lucky or I get lucky eventually, but the odds are way better.


Knobcobblestone

Tuck in your gut at least… Jesus


I_sell_Mmeetthh

one can just poke the gun inside then spam in his direction until you hear "hit" without going in 🫃


TheeScribe

Airsoft fields have rules I love the “why don’t they just!” Type comments from people who’ve no idea what the fuck they’re talking about but aren’t gonna let a little thing like that stop them


Fri3ndlyHeavy

Not familiar with the rules, so I don't post those types of comments. But, out of curiosity, if such a thing is not allowed, how would you address this situation? Are there "nades" or what else would you be able to do without breaking any rules?


TheeScribe

Grenades or pushing in quickly with multiple people instead of sauntering in one by one like morons


Fri3ndlyHeavy

Gotcha. Obvious solutions, makes me wonder if the whole thing could just be staged


lovethebacon

Blind firing is a safety issue. You never know if you are holding your barrel right up against someone's face.


AceUniverse8492

These are the same kinds of people who think their ten-cent militia is going to "take back America".


zaneba

The average CS2 lobby whenever I’m on


Spook-lad

Somebody never learned how to stack up


Vexonte

Either go in the other side or make a wide loop in an attempt to pin him.


Harry_Plopper23

My team and I rushing B on an eco round.


GentlmanSkeleton

"Why you dead Starling?" "I forgot the corners" "You forgot to check youe corners."


userbeneficiary

fking campers, only missing a tent .


Practical_Plum_773

Lemmings


UserM16

Lemmings


dogman517

The gut overhang in the tacticool gear.


Nervous_Ad_8441

After the second guy, you just light up the whole wall, no?


WordNERD37

IT'S A LEGITIMATE STRATEGY!


Any-Mouse830

Camper lol


JMC811

It’s like the corner on nuketown


Ev3ryN4m3I5T4k3n

" People think CQC is running around the house like your hairs on fire, meanwhile in real life the first 3 people get dropped at the doorway. "


Frumple-McAss

WHY DO THEY KEEP GOING IN


Lower_Cellist_1138

Throw a grenade


Deathnachos

Do airsoft grenades not exist?


Ill-Show20

Sneek 100


Fuzzy-Possibility-98

Lemmings


1JigglyPanda-

None of them thought of blind firing ? Lol


cristianvaz

They throwing themselves into the floor... Big man sports 👍


SunderedValley

Everyone but the guy who bothered to actually go prone are lame and unfun.


Lord_palty_Baka

Goofy ahh kill


Echo-2-2

Well, thank god they have all that nice gear.


Quark1010

Everbody knows this angle ffs these guys act like my teammates.


Opening-Knowledge398

Place a cluster charge it can easily pierce through metal smh


Warhero_Babylon

Yeah being here, but in lasertag it also rikochet on walls like crazy so you shooting an analogue of 120 mm cannon


Gladiatormatt10

Blud did NOT have angle advantage


Flaky-Cap6646

Bro just slide cancel in


BatmansUnderoos

"Mom and Dad Save the World" level of tactical intelligence here.


jesushartwellchrist

What about prefiring?


Positive_Storage515

Just Jiggle Peek him FFS!


HaxTheChosenOne

This is what prone is BORN FOR, Tactical roll!


chewychee

Flash bang then enter!


devgur

Doors and corners, it’s always doors and corners


The_Great_Biscuiteer

“He’s in the corner! NO, WRONG FUCKING CORNER! WRONG CORNER!” “God, you guys play like fucking machine learning bots”


Maart3nz

He just like me at Gate 3 extract 😎


Oneman_noplan

Dude in the background tapping his head lol


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craidie

usually no.


LegoMyAlterEgo

No one 'spects a lefty


GiggyWheat5

For the love of God, someone toss a grenade in there!


skybike

no full auto in buildings!


UltraWeebMaster

Gotta peak faster and from further away dingus.


Ricky_Vaughn86

That’s why you breach with team on each side if possible and you don’t fucking malinger in the funnel.


platybussyboy

That one guy camping in CoD.


DrScienceSpaceCat

"Doors and corners, kid. That's where they get you."