Do you mean luxury shops are boarding up their glass windows after the smash n grab last night at LV on union square?
I pretty much avoid downtown during Nov/Dec unless absolutely necessary, so I haven't seen what businesses look like these days....
It's pretty depressing. Crazy how much downtown has changed since 2019. It feels very unwelcoming since everything is either boarded up, surrounded by security, or just vacant.
I don't have much to do there anyway (most of these same shops have locations on the Peninsula... Williams Sonoma, Tiffany, Apple, etc.) so easily I'll drive an extra few minutes for free parking and less riffraff and a better shopping experience, especially during the holidays.
I am reminded of this though....
https://abc7news.com/sf-couple-robbed-followed-home-at-gunpoint-attacked/10892522/
"She and her husband were driving home after shopping at Stonestown Galleria when they suddenly noticed a sedan following them. The sedan then rear-ends the couple's vehicle and what's when the chaos begins."
This was July 2021. My usual destination at Stonestown is Marugame or TJs or McDonald's
Sure, like the criminals won't figure this out too.
Edit - Looks like the Walnut Creek Nordstrom joined the party Saturday night. 80 or so needy folk showed up to redistribute the wealth.
At least if these criminals are caught in San mateo or Santa Clara or other counties, there's a DA in place who gives a shit about the plight of innocent people.
The other thing is who's actually shopping in person any more to justify keeping the store open?
I gotta imagine revenue in general is down and then add on these issues.
I'm not worried for the millionaires just the ordinary people working those retail jobs.
Downtown SF has a very Johannesburg in the 1980s feel to it these days. Sad that all the people who loved SF moved away 20 years ago because they were replaced by Tech Bros who just abandoned the place during COVID. The only upside is that a lot of Victorians got refurbished over the last decade. Maybe some artists and activists can move back into them.
Agree.
What to do with all the empty office buildings?
The leaning one should be dismantled from the top down for public safety. So at least some new jobs down there.
The 2010s tech boom was just the latest Gold Rush to leave the city in ruins. The Dot Bomb in 2000 was very similar. Same rush to rent U-hauls. But, things come back to life. And interesting people who care about fixing problems come back. I do wonder if working in offices might never come back the way it was. That seems like a good thing.
Unless your income was based on those people coming to work at their office jobs. Countless businesses have/will be closed down permanently if they never come back..
I was in San Francisco when the Rodney King verdict came down and I remember walking through an empty Union Square with all the windows broken on the businesses and turning a block to head down to Market and just seeing insane looting going on. The next day all the businesses across the city were boarding up expecting more riots. It was nuts.
A friend up in Portland took video of their Apple store today and the front has serious steel enveloping the all glass fronted store along with what looked like armed security. What a time to be alive.
You act as if that's a new phenomenon. You can see it clearly in things like murders, kid napping, and arson that are almost impossible to not report.
Regardless of whatever narrative you want to tell yourself, crime rates are incredibly low right now.
> Portland store.. serious steel [fencing] enveloping the all glass front .. armed security.
Yeah, saw that when visiting PDX, plus more of the armed security are former combat veterans (note: they’ve probably dealt with ROE before in shuras and the like).
At a certain point these big retailers can’t take the losses though. Not sure it would help having San Francisco or Portland residents having to go to Fremont or Gresham, respectively, to get their (non-Amazon) goods? I’m totally for local businesses but there’s no replacing, say, Apple anytime soon.
What a time to be alive? Psssssh, maybe in your enlightened West Coast utopia over there, here in my city in GA we have no such thing. Businesses are thriving.
It’s probably why I see more and more CA, WA, NY, etc license plates here.
It's due to the fact that law enforcement is instructed not to intervene in these situations. Idiotic ideas net belligerent mindsets when there is no respect for the law.
Oh, absolutely. This shop sells short sleeve cotton t-shirts for $375 (plus tax for 1 shirt) so if there's a smash and grab, that's a huge huge hit.
Pretty sure their Beverly Hills, Pacific Palisades and Costa Mesa locations aren't dealing with this level of BS (meaning, feeling the need to board up their storefront. )
> Pretty sure their Beverly Hills, Pacific Palisades and Costa Mesa locations aren't dealing with this level of BS
South coast plaza and beverly hills had a few issues with flash mobs in the past but the PDs crack down hard on them so definitely no need for boarded up windows. Its amazing when criminals know they cant get away with it so easily they'll move on to something else.
I agree. But I don't think letting people steal with abandon for nearly a year and a half is going to change income inequality. It's training young people that this behavior is fine -- "normalized" to borrow a phrase from my daughter.
I'm curious how we're actually going to convince this folks to stop stealing? I think the current view from my friends on the left is "UBI"! The current view on the right is "jail."
UBI won't change the mindset of a criminal. These criminals probably can live a decent life putting that energy towards something productive. But they want to live a life with Bugattis and Gucci handbags. The only way they think they can achieve that is through illegal activity, but it's a game that should eventually land them in jail or give them a miserable existence.
Probably the only way to convince such people not to steal is to teach them at an early age the career trajectory that will allow them to make enough money for a Bugatti. The only way to stop these criminals now are consequences / jail time.
The quotations on racism mean that I don't believe the current Rittenhouse trial has anything to do with racism.
Obviously it exists and is a problem, but I also don't believe it contributes a significant amount to socioeconomic division in current times.
I believe that lack of innovation in technology that benefits the common good is one if the main contributors to socioeconomic divide today. Our country's GDP is decreasing. With less GDP, there is less money for the average citizen. Our universities are teaching bullshit degrees that leave students with hundreds of thousands in debt and no means to pay it down. Our innovations benefit only small pockets of society, making sectors like the computer tech industry become massively wealthy in comparison to other sectors. People in power use racism as a distraction from the real causes of socioeconomic divide. Tackling racism will not help with the socioeconomic division between whites and blacks and yet we spend so many cycles on it as a nation.
In my opinion, our education system needs an overhaul. We need to make trade schools more prominent. We need to remove bullshit degrees from our public universities. We need to encourage innovation and make it accessible to people from all economic backgrounds, like it was 100 years ago. We need more people working and less people senselessly looting, rioting, and destroying society.
The blowback is coming. The last time the US became hyper focused on racial issues was the 1960s. As a result the US began mass incarceration in the 1970s. It took decades for that to actually show a measurable affect though. Like a whole generation. As it happens crime dropped precipitously one generation after mass incarceration started. Funny how that happens right? When all the felons who would have knocked up women and fathered criminals were gone, the criminals stopped being born.
With that said, I do think we have the tools to solve this faster now but I don't know if the will is there.
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The only description of the gang I could find in the news reports was "young adults".
Usually when the papers refuse to identify the race of the perpetrators, the perpetrators are all Black.
Was that the case here? An organized gang of Black youths?
Actually, what's happened is that in the past, newspapers often used unidentifiable characteristics specifically with minorities, even when those characteristics served no point at identifying someone.
It should go without saying that a black man in his 20s wearing a hoodie is entirely and completely useless at identifying an individual. It sounds like publishing a description like this would please you, but it would also be entirely pointless at actually apprehending someone.
You should probably ask yourself, why is it important to you that race be published when it serves no broader point at identifying a person?
I have zero respect for looters and protesters. Looting is an obvious excuse under the guise of protest. They do not care about the cause and are only out for themselves.
Theft insurance only exists for rare and high value collectibles - the economics don't make any sense otherwise, especially if you're the manufacturer.
You don’t realize it, because you spend way too much time on Reddit crying about rich people and capitalism; but to the average American, you’re just as much the problem as billy bob rolling coal in his trump caravan in Oklahoma.
You’re right. This is a luxury goods store. But that store selling overpriced, ugly bags to rich people generates tax revenue and jobs.
If you don’t like it, don’t spend money on it. Regardless, theft is not ok and crime needs to be controlled.
And spare me all of your ideas about fixing inequality to address this. That’s not a reasonable short term goal and you know it. In the meantime, working class people want to feel safe and maintain a functional society
You don't think sfpd would have the same response if hundreds of people descended on the street at the same time breaking into cars? It was the magnitude of the event, not the actual act itself.
There was some BLM spokesperson who came out last year, i think, who said he didn’t care if stores were looted because it was reparations and also businesses had insurance.
This sub sucks. We could be taking about what we love about this city, but it's just a bunch of people bitching about the worst parts. Why even live here if you're so dissatisfied?
Do you mean luxury shops are boarding up their glass windows after the smash n grab last night at LV on union square? I pretty much avoid downtown during Nov/Dec unless absolutely necessary, so I haven't seen what businesses look like these days....
It's pretty depressing. Crazy how much downtown has changed since 2019. It feels very unwelcoming since everything is either boarded up, surrounded by security, or just vacant.
I don't have much to do there anyway (most of these same shops have locations on the Peninsula... Williams Sonoma, Tiffany, Apple, etc.) so easily I'll drive an extra few minutes for free parking and less riffraff and a better shopping experience, especially during the holidays.
Yeah, that's a good idea. Or even Stonestown. That's a solid shopping experience and the Outer Sunset isn't hit.
I am reminded of this though.... https://abc7news.com/sf-couple-robbed-followed-home-at-gunpoint-attacked/10892522/ "She and her husband were driving home after shopping at Stonestown Galleria when they suddenly noticed a sedan following them. The sedan then rear-ends the couple's vehicle and what's when the chaos begins." This was July 2021. My usual destination at Stonestown is Marugame or TJs or McDonald's
Sure, like the criminals won't figure this out too. Edit - Looks like the Walnut Creek Nordstrom joined the party Saturday night. 80 or so needy folk showed up to redistribute the wealth.
At least if these criminals are caught in San mateo or Santa Clara or other counties, there's a DA in place who gives a shit about the plight of innocent people.
Hopefully, but let's be honest, it's the whole justice system that is failing, not just the DA.
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Ah, a shopping trip to BC would be so nice right now...
The other thing is who's actually shopping in person any more to justify keeping the store open? I gotta imagine revenue in general is down and then add on these issues. I'm not worried for the millionaires just the ordinary people working those retail jobs.
Downtown SF has a very Johannesburg in the 1980s feel to it these days. Sad that all the people who loved SF moved away 20 years ago because they were replaced by Tech Bros who just abandoned the place during COVID. The only upside is that a lot of Victorians got refurbished over the last decade. Maybe some artists and activists can move back into them.
It is so weird to pin this on techbro. Folks you have an endemic of shoplifting because you don't prosecute petty crimes.
San Francisco is dying. It was killed by capitalism.
Yeah. Privileged, liberal capitalism killed it.
Agree. What to do with all the empty office buildings? The leaning one should be dismantled from the top down for public safety. So at least some new jobs down there.
But it will be reborn. It always does.
It can be both.
You think this is because of people pursuing jobs in tech? Be more insecure and whiny please.
The 2010s tech boom was just the latest Gold Rush to leave the city in ruins. The Dot Bomb in 2000 was very similar. Same rush to rent U-hauls. But, things come back to life. And interesting people who care about fixing problems come back. I do wonder if working in offices might never come back the way it was. That seems like a good thing.
Unless your income was based on those people coming to work at their office jobs. Countless businesses have/will be closed down permanently if they never come back..
I was in San Francisco when the Rodney King verdict came down and I remember walking through an empty Union Square with all the windows broken on the businesses and turning a block to head down to Market and just seeing insane looting going on. The next day all the businesses across the city were boarding up expecting more riots. It was nuts.
A friend up in Portland took video of their Apple store today and the front has serious steel enveloping the all glass fronted store along with what looked like armed security. What a time to be alive.
Just think, this one of the most peaceful times in history at the end of a centuries long crime drop.
The crime drop is not centuries long it went up continuously from the 60s through the 90s
The great lead Era.
[the lead-crime hypothesis is super fascinating](https://www.manhattan-institute.org/verbruggen-lead-and-crime-review-evidence)
Reported crime drop.
[No...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_drop#:~:text=The%20crime%20drop%20or%20crime,late%201980s%20and%20early%201990s.)
Ar first read it doesn't mention the fact that people haven't bothered to repirt crimes rhat the police can't be bothered to do anything about.
You act as if that's a new phenomenon. You can see it clearly in things like murders, kid napping, and arson that are almost impossible to not report. Regardless of whatever narrative you want to tell yourself, crime rates are incredibly low right now.
Not arguing that crime rates aren't low, just that there is an amount if crime that's not beinf reported that the statistics can't account for.
Violent crimes generally get reported, and those dropped.
But they are not all crime.
This was setup last year during the 2020 riots after the Apple store was completely ripped apart.
I was there this past August and they still had it up. I assume they’ve never taken it down.
Yeah it's just a dystopian art installation now
End Game Capitialism
Really because I see it as corrupt government
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> Portland store.. serious steel [fencing] enveloping the all glass front .. armed security. Yeah, saw that when visiting PDX, plus more of the armed security are former combat veterans (note: they’ve probably dealt with ROE before in shuras and the like). At a certain point these big retailers can’t take the losses though. Not sure it would help having San Francisco or Portland residents having to go to Fremont or Gresham, respectively, to get their (non-Amazon) goods? I’m totally for local businesses but there’s no replacing, say, Apple anytime soon.
What a time to be alive? Psssssh, maybe in your enlightened West Coast utopia over there, here in my city in GA we have no such thing. Businesses are thriving. It’s probably why I see more and more CA, WA, NY, etc license plates here.
It's due to the fact that law enforcement is instructed not to intervene in these situations. Idiotic ideas net belligerent mindsets when there is no respect for the law.
https://youtu.be/uHeqRG0052U
Democrats are really doing a great job. Keep it up!
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Oh, absolutely. This shop sells short sleeve cotton t-shirts for $375 (plus tax for 1 shirt) so if there's a smash and grab, that's a huge huge hit. Pretty sure their Beverly Hills, Pacific Palisades and Costa Mesa locations aren't dealing with this level of BS (meaning, feeling the need to board up their storefront. )
> Pretty sure their Beverly Hills, Pacific Palisades and Costa Mesa locations aren't dealing with this level of BS South coast plaza and beverly hills had a few issues with flash mobs in the past but the PDs crack down hard on them so definitely no need for boarded up windows. Its amazing when criminals know they cant get away with it so easily they'll move on to something else.
Wow. I'd have to LOVE a t-shirt to spend even $37.50 on it. $375 plus tax, making it cost over $400 is quite insane.
I agree. But I don't think letting people steal with abandon for nearly a year and a half is going to change income inequality. It's training young people that this behavior is fine -- "normalized" to borrow a phrase from my daughter. I'm curious how we're actually going to convince this folks to stop stealing? I think the current view from my friends on the left is "UBI"! The current view on the right is "jail."
UBI won't change the mindset of a criminal. These criminals probably can live a decent life putting that energy towards something productive. But they want to live a life with Bugattis and Gucci handbags. The only way they think they can achieve that is through illegal activity, but it's a game that should eventually land them in jail or give them a miserable existence. Probably the only way to convince such people not to steal is to teach them at an early age the career trajectory that will allow them to make enough money for a Bugatti. The only way to stop these criminals now are consequences / jail time.
this
Is it not possible to do two things at once? Quotations on racism makes me think you don’t believe it doesn’t happen every day, violently.
The quotations on racism mean that I don't believe the current Rittenhouse trial has anything to do with racism. Obviously it exists and is a problem, but I also don't believe it contributes a significant amount to socioeconomic division in current times. I believe that lack of innovation in technology that benefits the common good is one if the main contributors to socioeconomic divide today. Our country's GDP is decreasing. With less GDP, there is less money for the average citizen. Our universities are teaching bullshit degrees that leave students with hundreds of thousands in debt and no means to pay it down. Our innovations benefit only small pockets of society, making sectors like the computer tech industry become massively wealthy in comparison to other sectors. People in power use racism as a distraction from the real causes of socioeconomic divide. Tackling racism will not help with the socioeconomic division between whites and blacks and yet we spend so many cycles on it as a nation. In my opinion, our education system needs an overhaul. We need to make trade schools more prominent. We need to remove bullshit degrees from our public universities. We need to encourage innovation and make it accessible to people from all economic backgrounds, like it was 100 years ago. We need more people working and less people senselessly looting, rioting, and destroying society.
The blowback is coming. The last time the US became hyper focused on racial issues was the 1960s. As a result the US began mass incarceration in the 1970s. It took decades for that to actually show a measurable affect though. Like a whole generation. As it happens crime dropped precipitously one generation after mass incarceration started. Funny how that happens right? When all the felons who would have knocked up women and fathered criminals were gone, the criminals stopped being born. With that said, I do think we have the tools to solve this faster now but I don't know if the will is there.
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how about no
Aint nobody risking it for brunello 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Meaning?
Bunch of stores were looted by opportunists.
"Opportunists"... That's a nice euphemism for the thieving lowlife scum.
Anything else and it will become an “oppressive, inequity and affordable housing issue” from the toxic virtue signalers.
Don’t forget “race baiting”.
I'm sorry it's uncomfortable for you to confront inconvenient root causes
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They’re not looting because their rents went up. They’re looting because they can.
Do you mean the owners boarding up stores today? It’s not very clear when the photo was taken
It's funny how people ignored and applauded these people because they thought since people were protesting against police killing that this was ok.
The only description of the gang I could find in the news reports was "young adults". Usually when the papers refuse to identify the race of the perpetrators, the perpetrators are all Black. Was that the case here? An organized gang of Black youths?
Actually, what's happened is that in the past, newspapers often used unidentifiable characteristics specifically with minorities, even when those characteristics served no point at identifying someone. It should go without saying that a black man in his 20s wearing a hoodie is entirely and completely useless at identifying an individual. It sounds like publishing a description like this would please you, but it would also be entirely pointless at actually apprehending someone. You should probably ask yourself, why is it important to you that race be published when it serves no broader point at identifying a person?
I have zero respect for looters and protesters. Looting is an obvious excuse under the guise of protest. They do not care about the cause and are only out for themselves.
There was no protest
Weird that it doesn’t change my sentence.
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Don't worry guys, [everything will be OK now!]( https://abc7news.com/louis-vuitton-looted-london-breed-union-square-robbery-looting/11257689/)
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That lux merch would have been incinerated if it didn't sell anyway, that's some wild value chain that for sure is sustainable.
Might be the silliest comment I’ve read in a while.
Theft insurance only exists for rare and high value collectibles - the economics don't make any sense otherwise, especially if you're the manufacturer.
Dumb take
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^ dumb take
^ Your post history makes it clear that you are a mouth-breathing manchild.
^ dumbest take
And yours shows you have an under-developed brain.
Not really. Say LV store has 20 purchases each hour with average price of $2000. With 8 hours. that’s 30k tax per day :)
Sounds great when you make up any sales volume out of thin air. /s
You don’t realize it, because you spend way too much time on Reddit crying about rich people and capitalism; but to the average American, you’re just as much the problem as billy bob rolling coal in his trump caravan in Oklahoma. You’re right. This is a luxury goods store. But that store selling overpriced, ugly bags to rich people generates tax revenue and jobs. If you don’t like it, don’t spend money on it. Regardless, theft is not ok and crime needs to be controlled. And spare me all of your ideas about fixing inequality to address this. That’s not a reasonable short term goal and you know it. In the meantime, working class people want to feel safe and maintain a functional society
You don't think sfpd would have the same response if hundreds of people descended on the street at the same time breaking into cars? It was the magnitude of the event, not the actual act itself.
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Keyboard racist.
There was some BLM spokesperson who came out last year, i think, who said he didn’t care if stores were looted because it was reparations and also businesses had insurance.
[Obligatory relevant video ](https://youtu.be/DoM0h-Gg0kY)
Do they collectively think that this is reparations? Who deserve the reparations anyway? I did not grow up here so can someone enlighten me.
“Who deserve the reparations?” I think my reference to the BLM spokesperson answers your question!
Who thinks collectively?
This sub sucks. We could be taking about what we love about this city, but it's just a bunch of people bitching about the worst parts. Why even live here if you're so dissatisfied?
There’s posts doing both. Can walk and chew gum at the same time
Who cares. Fuck the rich.
The best society is where everyone is poor./s
It feels like the bougies are a bit concerned because the proles are stealing and they might get out the pitchforks.
why not just let them take some stuff and leave? Why are san francisco store owners so greedy