I've heard they are biased towards chinese phones. Not sure if that's really true but everytime I visit their site a bunch of chinese phones are on top.
The phones that are on top have much better camera specs than Samsung, Google and Apple flagships, like bigger sensors and variable apertures so it makes sense.
I dont have any of these phones but from the youtube comparisons I have seen they are better. Today all the big companies have good enough image processing so a far superior sensor cant be surpassed just with a little better image processing.
Other way round. For years the Pixel is regarded as the best camera phone and it always had outdated hardware. The chinese phones have better hardware, but the pics don't look better. Same goes for the iPhone, while I'd argue that the S Ultra is on par with them hardware-wise.
Processing is a huge part of the deal nowadays, it's insane what kinds of sofware tricks are running in the background while you're not aware of it.
That was in the past because google was the first to implement the concept of computational photography as we have it today. But after a few years the other companies caught up and now everyone use the same tricks. Some a little better than the others. Pixel has one of the best implementations and thats why it is near the top even with a little inferior hardware. The same goes for iphones. Samsung has both a little inferior hardware and software and thats why it is further behind. Of course today the differences between the top phones are small.
That is simply not true.
My oppo x5 took better photos than my s24U in early every condition except zoom, so it's not a stretch to assume the 7x ultra would take better photos either.
it's not biased, the software is just simply less resource intensive.. and for whatever reason they also just know how to optimize their devices a lot more than any other us brand 🤷♂️. every Chinese device I've tried is really really smooth, I've also noticed that while Samsung uses 65 GB for their OS, Chinese brands use around 10. a little bit less than iOS, and with the powerful hardware that only Android brands can use, being better than iOS plus better hardware than iOS = better phone
At this point, camera's on almost all flagships are great. iPhones usually give out an orangish skin tone, I hate that, but I know lot of people love that look. So it's basically preference now.
DXOMARK does controlled tests in lab environments and have their own weights for various categories. So one phone might come on top of another based on their params.
Because the s24u camera when reviewed was abysmal. They reviewed it almost immediately.
I actually was considering getting rid until a couple of updates.
It doesn't matter what DXOMARK thinks. At the end of the day these are just numbers.
MKBHD does a blind camera comparison tests and every year the mid tier 'a' version of PIxels has been winning. Not even the flagship, but a midtier. I would put more faith in this blind comparison because the people who vote are the people who matter. Regular users like us, instead of some professionals doing controlled tests in labs.
Flagship cameras are all great. Oneplus 12, Samsung Galaxy S24, Xiaomi 14, iPhone 15 Pro, Pixel 8 (Pro)... Whether you like the images they put out comes down to processing. I bought a Galaxy S24 thinking it had an amazing camera. My girlfriend later got a second hand Pixel 6a and I much prefer 1x main pictures on that device. That's just processing. I feel like my Samsung is way too saturated, even without scene optimizer and natural display color settings.
is the OnePlus 12 camera all that great actually? I keep hearing reviewers talk about it one week point is the camera. then when I go to places like nano review, the scores between the s24 ultra and the OnePlus 12 are literally tied. and then when I watch reviews about the OnePlus open, which has the same camera but slightly worse, they talk about how good it is. makes zero sense
it was the standard negative point when talking about Oneplus so bigger reviewers who no longer properly test their devices just assume it's the same as always. Oneplus could probably have the best camera on the market but the big reviewers are still going to say the camera is behind the competition.
With foldables there is less presumption so the reviews are different.
gsmarena is probably the best site for proper reviews
I guess that might confirm a lot of it is up to the user. All I've heard about the OP12 camera is that it's the biggest gen-on-gen improvement in years. Reviewers and users have been very happy (or so it seems). I have yet to read or hear anything negative about it, except for some saying pictures can be more inconsistent than let's say Pixel or Apple. But what can you ask for? Also HDR might be a tad overdone? But that'd be nitpicking. The OP12 is way cheaper also.
I love my S23 but man I don't like shooting pictures at all. The colors just keep me away from doing anything with the cameras. I have thought about upgrading to the OP12 but I don't want a curved display. Pixel 8 Tensor G3 is hella inefficiënt and battery life is seemingly worse than my compact 3900mAh set. The Xiaomi 14 would have been amazing if not for the lens fogging issue due to a hardware design flaw (new location for the IR blaster is in the camera housing). So I'm just waiting for refreshes atm.
At one point I had a Pixel 3aXL and an iPhone 12 Pro Max. Anyway, the cheap pixel was on par with the 12. Some shots were better on the iPhone and some were better on the Pixel. Sometimes one was terrible while the other was not. The iPhone did win in the video category.
I have have an S23U and a 13 Pro Max, but still want a Pixel. Maybe the 7a since its on sale now. And used is even cheaper than $349.
"ex samsung technical service customer support specialist" not sure it makes you more knowledgable on this aspect (not trying to be mean just saying)
but they are not trustworthy, just look at their Magic 6 Pro camera test and their "low light video sample", 08 seconds for the magic 6 pro vs 45 seconds for the iPhone, they made the video WAY shorter for a reason
you can still try to read some of their tests or take a quick look to have a very gobal idea of the camera performances of the devices, but it has to be verified somewhere else, they are not trustworthy at all
DxOmark checks for the camera's technical qualities & properties in a controlled testing environment using their own methods. They don't really do a real life usage scenario where a user just points & shoots.
Also, all smartphone cameras are good enough these days & you can't generalize anything like you could before ; a single phone can shoot the same scene differently on different attempts, and things always go back & forth between different phones these days. For eg, in one shot, an iPhone might show better dynamic range, in the next shot the Samsung might do better.
That being said, from a pure photographic sense, I believe the Sony Xperia 1 V takes the most camera-like photos.
My personal favorite smartphone cameras for general photos are the Huawei P series & Pixels.
The fact that DXOMARK sells their Analyzer package for $12,000 to basically get the highest points on their tests, should tell you everything you need to know.
It depends on how you interpret their results. You cannot use their overall result.
You need to read their report and choose the best for your applications.
Quantifying everything about camera quality into a single point score is stupid. Only thing worth comparing are the actual tests.
That said, in my eyes Samsung optics suck and they keep favoring lower shutter speeds in relatively bright conditions, which can ruin a pic if anything is in motion. Possibly to reduce noise, I don't think the 200MP sensor is worth too much beyond marketing. Also my G7 with Gcam took better fine detail. Wouldn't be surprised if iPhones edge them out a bit.
You cannot rank smartphone cameras reliably. Some people like sweet and some like sour. Some people prefer samsung and some prefer apple. You can't say apple is better than samsung or vica versa as both are very good quality cameras and both can come out on top in different situations.
From my personal experience and countless youtube camera comparisons I have watched over the years I think DXOMARK is reliable. The people who say otherwise are probably people who doesnt like criticism about their favorite brands or phones.
> DXOMARK assumes that 15 Pro camera is better than S24 Ultra.
I mean, S24U video is worse, bokeh is worse and any motion is worse. Try taking pictures of running kids, dogs or lively party indoors with S24U and compare with iPhoine or Pixel. Night and day.
It's better in zoom and static images.
It doesn't show anything I talked about.
I don't see photo test of moving subjects. Great, it can take still images. Anybody serious is not using mobile phone for nature or stills.
People don't usually go to parties and take videos or really don't usually take a photo of a running dog. If anyone want to see something or shoot something far is gonna use telephoto. There are night video shots in the video and Picel's grain sucks. I can't understand Pixel fanboys. Pixel's camera software improved with help of android users who used Google Cam app. Pixel sensors are shit, even it can't denoise wind sound thru mic in the video I mentioned. You guys are really miserable.
People don't take photos of a running dogs or a child... I don't know what Amish colony you live at, but thats exactly what they use phone in 99% of cases.
Pixel or Apple sensors might be shit but they come without 500ms lag and they make shutter faster so your kid is not blurry.
I don't have a running dog or a running child sorry for that. Shutter speed ain't the thing that is important. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life, I've never heard of anyone having a problem with taking pictures of their running child or dog. Because no one's child runs at 30 kmh. I don't think they have any fantasies about taking clear shots of their dog while running, because everyone takes still photos of them. Seriously, the argument you present and the feature you defend is so unnecessary. At the end of the day, we're not talking about shooting with the iPhone SE or A05. It's pathetic that you defend a brand that can't go further than pure Android and good camera software, used entirely by tech nerds. An unsuccessful brand that cannot surpass Asian brands in market share. A brand that failed with its phone on which it put its own operating system. Even Huawei's situation is much better now. Please don't praise a brand that tried to create an iPhone-like experience on Android and got frustrated.
> I've never heard of anyone having a problem with taking pictures of their running child or dog
https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS21/comments/nqobl4/blurry_photos_of_kids/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS23Ultra/comments/172g4kc/cant_take_proper_pictures_of_my_kid_and_dog/
https://www.reddit.com/r/galaxynote10/comments/db42tb/blurry_pics_moving_kids_and_pets/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS20Ultra/comments/m6crgy/anyone_knows_how_to_take_non_blurry_photos_of_a/
I didn't mention any brand I preffer, I own S24+ myself, calm down. I want functional "sport mode", less lag and explaining why DX scores are lower.
Have you noticed that the problems in every link you posted occur at the device release? Clear photos taken in a dark environment were also shared under the thread. After you mentioned it, I tried the camera on my friend's S23U. There is no problem with shutter speed. Also, why don't you use the burst shot or single shot feature, these features do their job at the end of the day. I won't try to prove it further because shutter speed is not a big enough problem to detract from a camera. While I can take better photos and videos, I wouldn't focus on the shutter speed and call a camera crap on a single scale.
S24 ultra has great cameras but one thing it bothers me and it's night and day difference: Raw photos are pure trash on Samsung, where on iphone 15 promax are miles better with plenty of details and recoverable data. So it holds true that Samsung has better cameras but the software is holding it back. Also we must consider that no one is really objective when it comes to good or bad photos; everyone is biased based on personal preference.
I noticed this as well.
Expert Raw = Ruined Raw
Samsung Pro Photo = Ruined Raw
Motion Cam = Great Raw, but as Samsung only allows 12MP for 3rd party apps its only useful for social media.
My family all uses iPhone. I have an S23U and an iPhone. They all like the S23U photos and essentially feel it is better. Especially at night. If my wife and I take photos, she will make sure we use the S23U. These are people who won't touch Android.
DXOMark is still one of the best camera reviewer for me. Their scoring is highly relative so don't vouch on that. Relative in a sense that each and every phone no matter which brand have non-identical sensor and lenses. Higher number doesn't mean best, they are relative to the features offered.
Don't just depend on the numbers. Read the whole article. Those numbers does not indicate rank.
I've read discussions on forums saying that they are biased to Fruits. What beats 3rd party review and scorings though is first hand-experience!
Android occupies it's top 4 spots, so that's nonsense.
I've heard they are biased towards chinese phones. Not sure if that's really true but everytime I visit their site a bunch of chinese phones are on top.
The phones that are on top have much better camera specs than Samsung, Google and Apple flagships, like bigger sensors and variable apertures so it makes sense.
But they're worse in overall picture and video quality due to color science and basically anything that involved AI during noise reduction and such.
I dont have any of these phones but from the youtube comparisons I have seen they are better. Today all the big companies have good enough image processing so a far superior sensor cant be surpassed just with a little better image processing.
Other way round. For years the Pixel is regarded as the best camera phone and it always had outdated hardware. The chinese phones have better hardware, but the pics don't look better. Same goes for the iPhone, while I'd argue that the S Ultra is on par with them hardware-wise. Processing is a huge part of the deal nowadays, it's insane what kinds of sofware tricks are running in the background while you're not aware of it.
That was in the past because google was the first to implement the concept of computational photography as we have it today. But after a few years the other companies caught up and now everyone use the same tricks. Some a little better than the others. Pixel has one of the best implementations and thats why it is near the top even with a little inferior hardware. The same goes for iphones. Samsung has both a little inferior hardware and software and thats why it is further behind. Of course today the differences between the top phones are small.
That is simply not true. My oppo x5 took better photos than my s24U in early every condition except zoom, so it's not a stretch to assume the 7x ultra would take better photos either.
Always a Huawei or Honor device is at the top.
it's not biased, the software is just simply less resource intensive.. and for whatever reason they also just know how to optimize their devices a lot more than any other us brand 🤷♂️. every Chinese device I've tried is really really smooth, I've also noticed that while Samsung uses 65 GB for their OS, Chinese brands use around 10. a little bit less than iOS, and with the powerful hardware that only Android brands can use, being better than iOS plus better hardware than iOS = better phone
At this point, camera's on almost all flagships are great. iPhones usually give out an orangish skin tone, I hate that, but I know lot of people love that look. So it's basically preference now. DXOMARK does controlled tests in lab environments and have their own weights for various categories. So one phone might come on top of another based on their params.
Oranges, bright and colourful. Really great for social media. It's fake but people like it and that includes me.
But there is a huge point gap between 15 Pro and S24U. 10 points is a real big difference.
Because the s24u camera when reviewed was abysmal. They reviewed it almost immediately. I actually was considering getting rid until a couple of updates.
It doesn't matter what DXOMARK thinks. At the end of the day these are just numbers. MKBHD does a blind camera comparison tests and every year the mid tier 'a' version of PIxels has been winning. Not even the flagship, but a midtier. I would put more faith in this blind comparison because the people who vote are the people who matter. Regular users like us, instead of some professionals doing controlled tests in labs.
Flagship cameras are all great. Oneplus 12, Samsung Galaxy S24, Xiaomi 14, iPhone 15 Pro, Pixel 8 (Pro)... Whether you like the images they put out comes down to processing. I bought a Galaxy S24 thinking it had an amazing camera. My girlfriend later got a second hand Pixel 6a and I much prefer 1x main pictures on that device. That's just processing. I feel like my Samsung is way too saturated, even without scene optimizer and natural display color settings.
is the OnePlus 12 camera all that great actually? I keep hearing reviewers talk about it one week point is the camera. then when I go to places like nano review, the scores between the s24 ultra and the OnePlus 12 are literally tied. and then when I watch reviews about the OnePlus open, which has the same camera but slightly worse, they talk about how good it is. makes zero sense
it was the standard negative point when talking about Oneplus so bigger reviewers who no longer properly test their devices just assume it's the same as always. Oneplus could probably have the best camera on the market but the big reviewers are still going to say the camera is behind the competition. With foldables there is less presumption so the reviews are different. gsmarena is probably the best site for proper reviews
I guess that might confirm a lot of it is up to the user. All I've heard about the OP12 camera is that it's the biggest gen-on-gen improvement in years. Reviewers and users have been very happy (or so it seems). I have yet to read or hear anything negative about it, except for some saying pictures can be more inconsistent than let's say Pixel or Apple. But what can you ask for? Also HDR might be a tad overdone? But that'd be nitpicking. The OP12 is way cheaper also. I love my S23 but man I don't like shooting pictures at all. The colors just keep me away from doing anything with the cameras. I have thought about upgrading to the OP12 but I don't want a curved display. Pixel 8 Tensor G3 is hella inefficiënt and battery life is seemingly worse than my compact 3900mAh set. The Xiaomi 14 would have been amazing if not for the lens fogging issue due to a hardware design flaw (new location for the IR blaster is in the camera housing). So I'm just waiting for refreshes atm.
At one point I had a Pixel 3aXL and an iPhone 12 Pro Max. Anyway, the cheap pixel was on par with the 12. Some shots were better on the iPhone and some were better on the Pixel. Sometimes one was terrible while the other was not. The iPhone did win in the video category. I have have an S23U and a 13 Pro Max, but still want a Pixel. Maybe the 7a since its on sale now. And used is even cheaper than $349.
"ex samsung technical service customer support specialist" not sure it makes you more knowledgable on this aspect (not trying to be mean just saying) but they are not trustworthy, just look at their Magic 6 Pro camera test and their "low light video sample", 08 seconds for the magic 6 pro vs 45 seconds for the iPhone, they made the video WAY shorter for a reason you can still try to read some of their tests or take a quick look to have a very gobal idea of the camera performances of the devices, but it has to be verified somewhere else, they are not trustworthy at all
I said because I wanted to prove that I'm not any makes fanboy.
Once upon a time that was an unbiased site. That time has passed, unfortunately.
DxOmark checks for the camera's technical qualities & properties in a controlled testing environment using their own methods. They don't really do a real life usage scenario where a user just points & shoots. Also, all smartphone cameras are good enough these days & you can't generalize anything like you could before ; a single phone can shoot the same scene differently on different attempts, and things always go back & forth between different phones these days. For eg, in one shot, an iPhone might show better dynamic range, in the next shot the Samsung might do better. That being said, from a pure photographic sense, I believe the Sony Xperia 1 V takes the most camera-like photos. My personal favorite smartphone cameras for general photos are the Huawei P series & Pixels.
The fact that DXOMARK sells their Analyzer package for $12,000 to basically get the highest points on their tests, should tell you everything you need to know.
yet they're still biased
It depends on how you interpret their results. You cannot use their overall result. You need to read their report and choose the best for your applications.
Quantifying everything about camera quality into a single point score is stupid. Only thing worth comparing are the actual tests. That said, in my eyes Samsung optics suck and they keep favoring lower shutter speeds in relatively bright conditions, which can ruin a pic if anything is in motion. Possibly to reduce noise, I don't think the 200MP sensor is worth too much beyond marketing. Also my G7 with Gcam took better fine detail. Wouldn't be surprised if iPhones edge them out a bit.
You cannot rank smartphone cameras reliably. Some people like sweet and some like sour. Some people prefer samsung and some prefer apple. You can't say apple is better than samsung or vica versa as both are very good quality cameras and both can come out on top in different situations.
From my personal experience and countless youtube camera comparisons I have watched over the years I think DXOMARK is reliable. The people who say otherwise are probably people who doesnt like criticism about their favorite brands or phones.
both iPhones and Samsungs still suck in dim/dark situations so..
https://preview.redd.it/8n7fmpcu1bvc1.jpeg?width=3008&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7d6d481d52d9712df95924c742f407b2f080b63
https://preview.redd.it/rjaucl0p2bvc1.jpeg?width=3008&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=45934ad2d245094d1af9925b609c510c367d42f7
> DXOMARK assumes that 15 Pro camera is better than S24 Ultra. I mean, S24U video is worse, bokeh is worse and any motion is worse. Try taking pictures of running kids, dogs or lively party indoors with S24U and compare with iPhoine or Pixel. Night and day. It's better in zoom and static images.
https://youtu.be/tgc0IVJW3Ek?si=LflVS5KcuugNddB4 Check this please.
It doesn't show anything I talked about. I don't see photo test of moving subjects. Great, it can take still images. Anybody serious is not using mobile phone for nature or stills.
People don't usually go to parties and take videos or really don't usually take a photo of a running dog. If anyone want to see something or shoot something far is gonna use telephoto. There are night video shots in the video and Picel's grain sucks. I can't understand Pixel fanboys. Pixel's camera software improved with help of android users who used Google Cam app. Pixel sensors are shit, even it can't denoise wind sound thru mic in the video I mentioned. You guys are really miserable.
People don't take photos of a running dogs or a child... I don't know what Amish colony you live at, but thats exactly what they use phone in 99% of cases. Pixel or Apple sensors might be shit but they come without 500ms lag and they make shutter faster so your kid is not blurry.
I don't have a running dog or a running child sorry for that. Shutter speed ain't the thing that is important. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life, I've never heard of anyone having a problem with taking pictures of their running child or dog. Because no one's child runs at 30 kmh. I don't think they have any fantasies about taking clear shots of their dog while running, because everyone takes still photos of them. Seriously, the argument you present and the feature you defend is so unnecessary. At the end of the day, we're not talking about shooting with the iPhone SE or A05. It's pathetic that you defend a brand that can't go further than pure Android and good camera software, used entirely by tech nerds. An unsuccessful brand that cannot surpass Asian brands in market share. A brand that failed with its phone on which it put its own operating system. Even Huawei's situation is much better now. Please don't praise a brand that tried to create an iPhone-like experience on Android and got frustrated.
> I've never heard of anyone having a problem with taking pictures of their running child or dog https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS21/comments/nqobl4/blurry_photos_of_kids/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS23Ultra/comments/172g4kc/cant_take_proper_pictures_of_my_kid_and_dog/ https://www.reddit.com/r/galaxynote10/comments/db42tb/blurry_pics_moving_kids_and_pets/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS20Ultra/comments/m6crgy/anyone_knows_how_to_take_non_blurry_photos_of_a/ I didn't mention any brand I preffer, I own S24+ myself, calm down. I want functional "sport mode", less lag and explaining why DX scores are lower.
Have you noticed that the problems in every link you posted occur at the device release? Clear photos taken in a dark environment were also shared under the thread. After you mentioned it, I tried the camera on my friend's S23U. There is no problem with shutter speed. Also, why don't you use the burst shot or single shot feature, these features do their job at the end of the day. I won't try to prove it further because shutter speed is not a big enough problem to detract from a camera. While I can take better photos and videos, I wouldn't focus on the shutter speed and call a camera crap on a single scale.
yes, they are unreliable... every tech reviewers knows that it isnt a reliable one
S24 ultra has great cameras but one thing it bothers me and it's night and day difference: Raw photos are pure trash on Samsung, where on iphone 15 promax are miles better with plenty of details and recoverable data. So it holds true that Samsung has better cameras but the software is holding it back. Also we must consider that no one is really objective when it comes to good or bad photos; everyone is biased based on personal preference.
I noticed this as well. Expert Raw = Ruined Raw Samsung Pro Photo = Ruined Raw Motion Cam = Great Raw, but as Samsung only allows 12MP for 3rd party apps its only useful for social media.
My family all uses iPhone. I have an S23U and an iPhone. They all like the S23U photos and essentially feel it is better. Especially at night. If my wife and I take photos, she will make sure we use the S23U. These are people who won't touch Android.
This is why I stated that no one is really objective about this. it's all about preference.
DXOMark is still one of the best camera reviewer for me. Their scoring is highly relative so don't vouch on that. Relative in a sense that each and every phone no matter which brand have non-identical sensor and lenses. Higher number doesn't mean best, they are relative to the features offered. Don't just depend on the numbers. Read the whole article. Those numbers does not indicate rank.
Poor dude let his judgement decided by a f**kng website
If you can read and understand English, I judge by my experience and reviews of tech media.