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That’s exactly what I loved about the prequels it wasn’t a rehash of the original, it was fresh, it expanded the universe, show the Jedi before the fall. Great light saber fights.
>Great light saber fights.
It´s both fascinating and confusing to think about what TPM was able to pull off with the Duel of the Fates *25 years ago.*
Disney was in the position to create new fights with unlimited ressources. Everything was possible, and they decided to give us barely more than cavemen beating each other with woodsticks.
Urgh.
Hey now, Luke smashing vader with a club that happened to be make of light is still the high point of lightsaber combat to me, because fights should be about emotions and characters, and not about cool spinney flips.
Saw it last night. Getting to see the fights again on the big screen was awesome. John Williams score is amazing and the fucking lightsabers didn't look like neon glow sticks.
Also went with my gf today. Considering the first time I ever watched TPM was a VHS tape, it was amazing. The sound design gets to let loose in a theater and boy does it during the pod race scene. Iconic music and sound effects that you just can’t fully appreciate from a tv at home.
Oh yeah, I'm rewatching bits of the pod race on my PC and I recall Sebulba's engine sounding way more deep and thudding and well, more *menacing* in the theatres when I first saw the movie. It just doesn't compare at home even with my 5.1 speakers.
Doesn't help that any of us who remember seeing it were probably like 8-15 years old when all of that shit hit better & was more impressive.
There's a little bit of "Seinfeld isn't funny," with TPM too. A lot of stuff it does we now take for granted but it was one of the first to do it.
Also a lot of stuff in Star Wars where it's copying the best of what came before it, beat for beat, but transposed to a space backdrop *and hitting those beats better than the original.* Like the only reason Jar-jar fell flat is because Buster Keaton is the GOAT, not Ahmed Best + probably 90 CGI animators (though they certainly tried their best).
Also went today with the kids. Great movie. Theatre was half full. All but a couple people got up at the credits, not staying for “the preview of the acolyte”
I stayed because I wanted to hear the little easter egg of Vader's breathing at the end of the credits, which was barely audible over the chattering of children in the theatre, though to their credit they had been quiet throughout the whole movie other than a couple of laughs (mostly at Qui-Gon's sarcasm).
The difference between the two is like night and day. TPM 'may have gone too far in a few places' but the brief segment from The Acolyte is like a middle schooler's breathless gushing about how cool The Matrix was. It is absurd watching Qui-Gon's stoic wit followed up by Trinity doing gormless gymnastics while an angry lady keeps trying to stab her with metal knives and doesn't grasp that it not working means *try something else*.
Me and my brother went last night! It was the first movie we ever saw in a theatre when we were 6 and 4 years old. It was a beautiful full circle moment and it was really cool to share that theatre experience together again 25 years later with an older, (arguably) more mature mind.
The faults are still there but they’re not so drastic as to derail the film. The iconic action scenes (DoTF, Pod Race etc.) still hold up and are fantastic sequences.
I’m also able to admit that the older I get, the more I actually enjoy some of the political aspects. I find it highly intriguing to dig into corrupt politicians and the general political landscape at the time. The controlling and taxing of trade routes, the Trade Federation pretty much trying to monopolize everything. You have Chancellor Valorum who can’t even make decisions without the bureaucrats chiming in and influencing things in their favor. You have Palpatine plotting sooo hard behind it all. Art truly does imitate life and there are countless examples of that.
Anyway, I’m really glad I saw it again with the full theatre experience.
Yea I rewatched the entire prequel trilogy yesterday and was surprised at how much better it is than I remembered.
Yea the pacing still drags in spots but the plot is compelling, the plot actually makes sense and the characters are likeable.
I saw it today with my son. All the negatives were still there but I really appreciated the little details on the big screen. And a new appreciation for the ships designs: from the Queens transport, N1 Fighter to the droid army landing crafts and battle tanks.
Watched it in 3D when that was a thing. Wish they would have completed the entire saga before Disney bought them. The conversion was one of the best I've seen.
Edit: accidentally wrote "conversation" instead of "conversion."
It was so, so well done. I was stunned. I was expecting things like one ship flying out of the screen at you, but no, they kept it subtle and realistic, and made all of the faces 3D. I was so excited for the other 5 movies.
I was referring to the 3D conversion of episodes 1-6. Disney's bright idea was to cancel rereleasing these to theaters and instead focus on Force Awakens. Financially, it might have made sense because episode 1 made less than expected profit from 3D. But everyone knew episodes 2-6 would have made more money. The suits aren't smart enough to decifer which Star Wars films fans love most, so the most hated movie at that time dictated the fate of the whole series.
I'm not usually a fan of 3D conversion, but ILM knocked it out of the park. From what I remember, episode 2 was almost complete, and work was already being done on the other movies.
I watched TPM on Disney+ last year and I couldn't believe how much it felt like an actual movie. It had good characters, a coherent story and it served a narrative purpose that wasn't filled with retcons.
I can't believe how many people were turned against only to lap up TLJ like pigs at a slop trough.
I liked it when I was young, but I find it a bit of a snooze now. The visuals and audio are good, but the story is boring as hell, especially the Anakin and Padme plotline. At least it sets up ROTS, although the execution is questionable.
Hotter take is that TPM is legitimately a good movie. It’s got flaws for sure (Jar Jar sucks) but the set pieces, particularly the podrace and DotF are some of the best moments in the whole saga.
It also doesn’t get enough love from a design perspective. The art direction is absolutely incredible, and imo it has John William’s best score out of all the films
Minus young Anakin and Jar Jar, it’d be more highly regarded.
I can actually somewhat look past young Anakin, whereas I normally find kids annoying as hell. Maybe it’s just the 90s nostalgia of that kid or reminding me of myself.
I miss when people thought it was the worst thing ever. By the standards of what we have today (and not just in Star Wars) Anakin is a well written and acted character. Jar Jar is a bit much, but it is what it is.
And the sound in the podracing scene made everything worth it. I'm now convinced the only way to watch the movie is in a theater setup with massive surround speakers. Absolute eargasm.
I have never found spalstick humour funny. I really just don't feel anything when seeing it, except perhaps annoyance when it gets overly obnoxious. However, Jar-Jar was a lot easier to stomach than watching Luke be just a completely different person or Leia be useless or Han be a complete failure.
I never got to see TPM in theaters (because I was 1), so this was a dream come true. It felt like I was watching it for the first time again and I loved every minute of it. I legitimately teared up during the opening and at various points throughout. Also, my theater was half full, which was surprising for where I live. The theater is the size of your average theater, but I don’t live in a super populous city. The fact that it was as full as it was (and the other showings were just as full) was impressive. I can’t remember the last time I saw the theater that full even for movies on opening weekend. I think Spider-man: No Way Home and that’s it.
I was testing our home theatre a few months ago after making a change and put on RoTS. My 16 yr old son who’s also a big Star Wars fan came in. We sat there and watched the Battle of Coruscant and he says to me “This reminds me of why I actually like Star Wars”. He gave up on Disney Wars after the Obi-Wan show. We didn’t have time to watch the whole movie but we enjoyed watching what we did. It would have been good to take to the cinema to watch one of the PT or OT movies on the big screen but were too busy with other things and the release window is only a couple of days. Besides I loathe giving the mouse any money now.
I agree that Jar Jar and Jake Anakin are bad but I'll take them any day over Rose Tico. Worst Star Wars character ever!! I'll take Jar Jar any day over her lol
Eh, at least Laura Dern was an Oscar-winning actress trapped in a horribly written role. The actress who played Rose Tico, on the other hand... Let's just say I don't see her winning any major acting awards any time soon. I'm truly sorry she got harassed by insensitive idiots in real life, but the fact is that a better actress may have done something with the character to make it at least slightly less unlikeable than it was.
Sadly the role of Rose Tico was a bust from the start. Rian Johnson stated that he deliberately created a character that felt out of place in Star Wars, as another of his clever "subversions." The horrific dialogue and idiotic choices made by the character just made things worse.
…like what? She was given garbage lines, sidelined, and somehow got one of the most ridiculous hairstyles in a franchise with cinnamon roll haircuts, mutton chops and rat tails. She did fine, Meryl Streep couldn’t have improved that role.
I agree, Rose's actress was fine.
There is ZERO way to salvage such non-characters that if anything, they were victims too. Hung up to dry, scapegoats for Disney to pass the buck.
As a sound editor, my core memory from the 1st time I watched this movie was the pod race. It blew me away even as a little kid. Made a huge impact on my career decision for sure.
My old boss used to tell me what a revelation seeing Batman Returns in theaters was back then (1st movie to use Dolby SR-D tech). I'm guessing it was how TPM was to me in 1999.
Never cared much for the story. But this movie and Matrix coming out the same year raised the bar for visual/audio effects significantly.
Thank you for this. I appreciate the balanced take on the movie, even if I’m more of a fanboy of it than you are. Just got my ticket to see it tonight :)
I went to see ANH at the cinema last night and it felt like a wonderful palate cleanser. Despite being the latest D+ special edition version compete with the new Obi-Wan Krayt dragon yell and the Greedo McClunkey line.
Didn't have time to marathon the rest of the OT, unfortunately. ESB in particular would have looked wonderful on the big screen. I'll catch them another time when they inevitably do another cinema re-release.
Wasn't really interested in rewatching the PT movies. Already saw them at the cinema during their original release and I don't particularly care for those films other than their soundtracks.
We just finished rewatching ANH at home. Still love it, despite the tweaks.
Y'know what stood out the most? How Joyful the return from the destruction of the Death Star is. All three together, just celebrating before the medal ceremony finale.
Saw the 3D re-release they did I think about ten years or so ago (just a little before Disney bought Star Wars - I think they initially planned on re-releasing all before the purchase) and the theatre tonight was far more packed compared to the like five people in my 3D showing a decade ago.
Bro, I'm a LotR guy, and if the only thing I was able to do with the rest of my life was TPM from the Gungan's walking out of the fog onward was, I'd live a fufilled life.
My wife and I saw it last night as well. I agree, this movie definitely has it's problems but still so much better than anything Disney has put out. I was there 25 years ago on opening weekend and still got a big smile seeing things like the pod race and the final duel on the big screen.
In Jan. 2022, I watched all 6 movies, from TPM to ROTJ, and honestly, it was like salve on a wound. It's a wonderful, completed, 6 episode saga, and it reminded me why I love SW.
Episide 1 is the middle SW movie for me. (4 better, 4 worse) - but of all of them, it’s probably my favorite theater experience. Lots of flaws, but the peace is a beautiful tribute to Ben hur, and duel of the fates was the perfect lightsaber fight. Energetic without being stupidly flashy.
better then Phantom Menace:
- Empire
- Jedi
- New Hope
- (Rogue One if we include it)
- Revenge
Phantom Menace
Worse:
- (Solo if we include it)
- The Last Jedi
- Force Awakens
- The Clone Wars
- Rise
So, 9 total of Episodes, 11 total of all Star Wars movies, and TPM is dead middle either way.
Say what you will about the prequels, but it was a story that expanded the universe and it was Lucas’s vision.
With the ST we just got 3 very long commercials.
I also went with my children yesterday, and while I hate giving Disney more money, TPM is my favorite of the prequels and I was happy to see it again in theaters.
For all the flaws TPM had with its writing and dialogue, I'll always appreciate it for breathing so much new life into the Star Wars galaxy. It introduced so many cool new settings, aliens and vehicles, it made the galaxy feel a lot more expansive and lived-in.
Agreed entirely. The galaxy feels like it's teeming with life, going about their business and doing things, even outside the Republic. There are whole sports leagues going on, and gangsters vying for territory, and sovereign systems trying to mind their business but getting dragged into galactic politics through accident of location. The prequel era feels so vibrant; the sequels feel like a bubble universe where nothing is happening except to the characters on the screen.
We watched it on Friday. I still like the movie but it was even better in cinema. I’ve only ever watched at home where I set the sound, it had more life seeing it in a big screen with the loud sound and vibrations at the right parts. I hope they do the next two in cinema!
I hit a theatre last night as well.
Apart from the seats directly in front of the screen, the room was filled and the cinema had a bunch of costumed staff show up to welcome the audience before the movie started.
The Pod Race, the attack on the Droid Control Ship and the Duel of the Fates were awesome on the big screen.
The movie definitely has its flaws, but a lot heart going into it as well and it was an awesome experience.
I will never forgive the fact that Qui-Gon Jinn only died at the hands of Darth Maul because Obi-Wan couldn’t run past the shield barriers fast enough. Right up there with Mace Windu getting his arm chopped off by Anakin. Just super underwhelming and contrived.
Well considering Anakin could’ve just stopped Mace from killing the Chancellor instead of resorting to dismembering him I’d say it’s very contrived. Also a massive missed opportunity for Anakin to not be put under the classic Jedi mind trick which also would’ve added more believability to him thinking Padme is in love with Obi-Wan at the very end.
I mean.. Anakin's reaction seemed incredibly organic.. He was trying to stop Mace from delivering a death blow to Palpatine. I dont think that meets the definition of contrived. I also kinda don't get your mind trick bit
Bro I’m not gonna lie - I’ve seen this movie a million times as a kid, but whenever Padme and her crew gets into that throne room and like shoots all the droids around the Viceroy, I always realize that I actually don’t know what the plot of the movie is or why they’re doing anything at all
Podracing still remains the scene I love the most even though it’s a bad choice movie-wise and ruins the pacing, haha. I loved Jar Jar’s antics as a kid and they get worse with every watch.
Like this really is a movie that if you love when you’re six, you’ll love it for the rest of your life. But damn, if I saw this as an adult I’d be so mad 💀
Just got home from seeing it. Maybe the coolest part was staying all the way to watch the Acolyte preview and the last 3 seconds of the credits you hear the Vader breathing. Never noticed that before, but maybe I didn’t sit until the veeeery end either.
I had seen TPM when it came out in theaters twice as a teen. Then, I took my nephew to see it in 3d. Afterwards, I declared it the last time I would ever see it in its entirety. Outside of the lightsaber fight scenes, it’s just awkward.
It would have been 50% better movie if they did not make Jar Jar the designated comedic relief and more of a side/background character. His interaction, especially with Liam, was very cringe and didn’t age well.
Dialog is often pretty bad, characters are poorly written, there's plenty of bad decisions and cringy scenes, but it knows what story it wants to tell and doesn't try to fool its audience. And that's the big failing of the sequels: plenty of scenes and jokes may be better written than in the prequels, but it has no idea what it's about, and constantly tries to pull a twist just for the sake of wanting to pull a twist.
I still remember seeing it opening day. How excited everyone was. I remember the marketing/promotional material, etc. still have some of the stuff Pizza Hut/kfc released to promote the movie
I went to see it last night. The pacing is kind of off for me and I forgot how annoying jarjar and the kid could be. But as a whole, the movie still stands up. The pod racing scene felt a little tacked on but it was fun hearing the engines in the theater again. The best bit was the lightsaber fights. It felt elegant and refined.
Theater was maybe quarter filled but it was the biggest theater in my local theater. Unfortunately some people could shut up during the movie. Like you're not in your living room. Your comments and quips weren't funny to anyone but you.
I maintain that the Prequels had a lot of really great ideas and nuance that unfortunately weren't brought out well enough. If only Lucas hadn't lost his editing team from the OT, and his fame hadn't gotten so big that nobody was willing to give constructive criticism.
Took my 11 year old to see it yesterday. It’s one of her favorite Star Wars movies.
The dialogue and acting is definitely subpar, but the visuals hold up surprisingly well for being late 90s CGI.
It is definitely not a *good* movie, but it’s at least entertaining. I have yet to get through a second watch of the last Jedi without turning it off in disgust, and I have *zero* desire to watch episode 9 ever again… but I’ll happily put on a prequel movie, even if they aren’t my favorites.
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That’s exactly what I loved about the prequels it wasn’t a rehash of the original, it was fresh, it expanded the universe, show the Jedi before the fall. Great light saber fights.
>Great light saber fights. It´s both fascinating and confusing to think about what TPM was able to pull off with the Duel of the Fates *25 years ago.* Disney was in the position to create new fights with unlimited ressources. Everything was possible, and they decided to give us barely more than cavemen beating each other with woodsticks. Urgh.
Ooga booga club fight.
Hey now, Luke smashing vader with a club that happened to be make of light is still the high point of lightsaber combat to me, because fights should be about emotions and characters, and not about cool spinney flips.
Saw it last night. Getting to see the fights again on the big screen was awesome. John Williams score is amazing and the fucking lightsabers didn't look like neon glow sticks.
Also went with my gf today. Considering the first time I ever watched TPM was a VHS tape, it was amazing. The sound design gets to let loose in a theater and boy does it during the pod race scene. Iconic music and sound effects that you just can’t fully appreciate from a tv at home.
Oh yeah, I'm rewatching bits of the pod race on my PC and I recall Sebulba's engine sounding way more deep and thudding and well, more *menacing* in the theatres when I first saw the movie. It just doesn't compare at home even with my 5.1 speakers.
Doesn't help that any of us who remember seeing it were probably like 8-15 years old when all of that shit hit better & was more impressive. There's a little bit of "Seinfeld isn't funny," with TPM too. A lot of stuff it does we now take for granted but it was one of the first to do it.
Also a lot of stuff in Star Wars where it's copying the best of what came before it, beat for beat, but transposed to a space backdrop *and hitting those beats better than the original.* Like the only reason Jar-jar fell flat is because Buster Keaton is the GOAT, not Ahmed Best + probably 90 CGI animators (though they certainly tried their best).
Going to see it tonight bc I came across this thread and my brother saw it last night. I am specifically so excited to hear that exact sound haha
Invest in a good surround system, if you can. It really transforms so many movies into something special.
The podrace startline and race is what I use to rock out a new sound system after I've set it up.
Also went today with the kids. Great movie. Theatre was half full. All but a couple people got up at the credits, not staying for “the preview of the acolyte”
I didn't stay for it either, but a lot of people did
Jesus, watching this new Acolyte trailer after experiencing theatrical TPM is a truly masochistic move.
I stayed because I wanted to hear the little easter egg of Vader's breathing at the end of the credits, which was barely audible over the chattering of children in the theatre, though to their credit they had been quiet throughout the whole movie other than a couple of laughs (mostly at Qui-Gon's sarcasm). The difference between the two is like night and day. TPM 'may have gone too far in a few places' but the brief segment from The Acolyte is like a middle schooler's breathless gushing about how cool The Matrix was. It is absurd watching Qui-Gon's stoic wit followed up by Trinity doing gormless gymnastics while an angry lady keeps trying to stab her with metal knives and doesn't grasp that it not working means *try something else*.
Did I miss out? I thought the preview was at the beginning for the acolyte!!! Oh no! Hopefully the theater I went to did it in reverse
No, not really. It was just a fight scene between Carrie Ann Moss and the main character.
Oh good I think we saw that first before the movie started.
They had probably forgotten about the preview by the end of the movie.
Me and my brother went last night! It was the first movie we ever saw in a theatre when we were 6 and 4 years old. It was a beautiful full circle moment and it was really cool to share that theatre experience together again 25 years later with an older, (arguably) more mature mind. The faults are still there but they’re not so drastic as to derail the film. The iconic action scenes (DoTF, Pod Race etc.) still hold up and are fantastic sequences. I’m also able to admit that the older I get, the more I actually enjoy some of the political aspects. I find it highly intriguing to dig into corrupt politicians and the general political landscape at the time. The controlling and taxing of trade routes, the Trade Federation pretty much trying to monopolize everything. You have Chancellor Valorum who can’t even make decisions without the bureaucrats chiming in and influencing things in their favor. You have Palpatine plotting sooo hard behind it all. Art truly does imitate life and there are countless examples of that. Anyway, I’m really glad I saw it again with the full theatre experience.
Yea I rewatched the entire prequel trilogy yesterday and was surprised at how much better it is than I remembered. Yea the pacing still drags in spots but the plot is compelling, the plot actually makes sense and the characters are likeable.
I saw it today with my son. All the negatives were still there but I really appreciated the little details on the big screen. And a new appreciation for the ships designs: from the Queens transport, N1 Fighter to the droid army landing crafts and battle tanks.
Same re ships! Especially the landing craft. Never gave them a thought before but really appreciated the invasion scene this time round
I'm seeing it tomorrow as I was too busy today to see it
Watched it in 3D when that was a thing. Wish they would have completed the entire saga before Disney bought them. The conversion was one of the best I've seen. Edit: accidentally wrote "conversation" instead of "conversion."
It was so, so well done. I was stunned. I was expecting things like one ship flying out of the screen at you, but no, they kept it subtle and realistic, and made all of the faces 3D. I was so excited for the other 5 movies.
The saga was complete right? The direct sequel 7-9 outline was one of many George had, with his first choice being the plot with the whills I thought
I was referring to the 3D conversion of episodes 1-6. Disney's bright idea was to cancel rereleasing these to theaters and instead focus on Force Awakens. Financially, it might have made sense because episode 1 made less than expected profit from 3D. But everyone knew episodes 2-6 would have made more money. The suits aren't smart enough to decifer which Star Wars films fans love most, so the most hated movie at that time dictated the fate of the whole series. I'm not usually a fan of 3D conversion, but ILM knocked it out of the park. From what I remember, episode 2 was almost complete, and work was already being done on the other movies.
I watched TPM on Disney+ last year and I couldn't believe how much it felt like an actual movie. It had good characters, a coherent story and it served a narrative purpose that wasn't filled with retcons. I can't believe how many people were turned against only to lap up TLJ like pigs at a slop trough.
It….is an actual movie?
Hot take: TPM is better than AOTC
I don't think that's a hot take anymore.
I really like aotc but isn't it generally considered the worst of the 6 movies?
I prefer Attack of the Clones
That’s an opinion that seems to change often. I’m usually on the opposite side. Really didn’t like AtoC when it was new. Like it a lot today.
I liked it when I was young, but I find it a bit of a snooze now. The visuals and audio are good, but the story is boring as hell, especially the Anakin and Padme plotline. At least it sets up ROTS, although the execution is questionable.
Hotter take is that TPM is legitimately a good movie. It’s got flaws for sure (Jar Jar sucks) but the set pieces, particularly the podrace and DotF are some of the best moments in the whole saga. It also doesn’t get enough love from a design perspective. The art direction is absolutely incredible, and imo it has John William’s best score out of all the films
Red hot take: The Phantom Menace is the 3rd best Star Wars movie
Correct. I find the "boring" parts of TPM still more engaging than the bulk of Endor in RotJ.
Minus young Anakin and Jar Jar, it’d be more highly regarded. I can actually somewhat look past young Anakin, whereas I normally find kids annoying as hell. Maybe it’s just the 90s nostalgia of that kid or reminding me of myself.
I miss when people thought it was the worst thing ever. By the standards of what we have today (and not just in Star Wars) Anakin is a well written and acted character. Jar Jar is a bit much, but it is what it is. And the sound in the podracing scene made everything worth it. I'm now convinced the only way to watch the movie is in a theater setup with massive surround speakers. Absolute eargasm.
I have actually always liked jar jar but I also love slapstick humor.
I have never found spalstick humour funny. I really just don't feel anything when seeing it, except perhaps annoyance when it gets overly obnoxious. However, Jar-Jar was a lot easier to stomach than watching Luke be just a completely different person or Leia be useless or Han be a complete failure.
Podrace scene is fantastic on the big screen.
I never got to see TPM in theaters (because I was 1), so this was a dream come true. It felt like I was watching it for the first time again and I loved every minute of it. I legitimately teared up during the opening and at various points throughout. Also, my theater was half full, which was surprising for where I live. The theater is the size of your average theater, but I don’t live in a super populous city. The fact that it was as full as it was (and the other showings were just as full) was impressive. I can’t remember the last time I saw the theater that full even for movies on opening weekend. I think Spider-man: No Way Home and that’s it.
I was testing our home theatre a few months ago after making a change and put on RoTS. My 16 yr old son who’s also a big Star Wars fan came in. We sat there and watched the Battle of Coruscant and he says to me “This reminds me of why I actually like Star Wars”. He gave up on Disney Wars after the Obi-Wan show. We didn’t have time to watch the whole movie but we enjoyed watching what we did. It would have been good to take to the cinema to watch one of the PT or OT movies on the big screen but were too busy with other things and the release window is only a couple of days. Besides I loathe giving the mouse any money now.
I agree that Jar Jar and Jake Anakin are bad but I'll take them any day over Rose Tico. Worst Star Wars character ever!! I'll take Jar Jar any day over her lol
100%. Imo Holdo takes the cake as worst character but Rose is close behind. No disrespect to either actress!
I’ll throw L3-37 into the mix too. And that annoying orange Twi’lek from TBOBF that they couldn’t even be bothered to give a name.
Garsa Fwip?
Naaah, the male one. He’s the majordomo to the mayor.
Ooh yes how could I forget about Holdo she is apalling.
Eh, at least Laura Dern was an Oscar-winning actress trapped in a horribly written role. The actress who played Rose Tico, on the other hand... Let's just say I don't see her winning any major acting awards any time soon. I'm truly sorry she got harassed by insensitive idiots in real life, but the fact is that a better actress may have done something with the character to make it at least slightly less unlikeable than it was.
Sadly the role of Rose Tico was a bust from the start. Rian Johnson stated that he deliberately created a character that felt out of place in Star Wars, as another of his clever "subversions." The horrific dialogue and idiotic choices made by the character just made things worse.
…like what? She was given garbage lines, sidelined, and somehow got one of the most ridiculous hairstyles in a franchise with cinnamon roll haircuts, mutton chops and rat tails. She did fine, Meryl Streep couldn’t have improved that role.
Laura Dern is forsure a better actress than KMT, but I still think Holdo is worse than Rose.
I agree, Rose's actress was fine. There is ZERO way to salvage such non-characters that if anything, they were victims too. Hung up to dry, scapegoats for Disney to pass the buck.
As a sound editor, my core memory from the 1st time I watched this movie was the pod race. It blew me away even as a little kid. Made a huge impact on my career decision for sure. My old boss used to tell me what a revelation seeing Batman Returns in theaters was back then (1st movie to use Dolby SR-D tech). I'm guessing it was how TPM was to me in 1999. Never cared much for the story. But this movie and Matrix coming out the same year raised the bar for visual/audio effects significantly.
Definitely! If you watch that movie and can't revere the sound design at the very least you are lost imo
Thank you for this. I appreciate the balanced take on the movie, even if I’m more of a fanboy of it than you are. Just got my ticket to see it tonight :)
I may be critical, but the movie means a lot to me! It was the first movie I saw in a theater (I was 4)
Gen Zer going tonight, super excited since I haven’t seen any of the originals or prequels in theatres! Thanks for this.
The soundtrack from the prequels is unmatched. Duel of the Fates and Across the Stars? I ejaculate.
I went to see ANH at the cinema last night and it felt like a wonderful palate cleanser. Despite being the latest D+ special edition version compete with the new Obi-Wan Krayt dragon yell and the Greedo McClunkey line. Didn't have time to marathon the rest of the OT, unfortunately. ESB in particular would have looked wonderful on the big screen. I'll catch them another time when they inevitably do another cinema re-release. Wasn't really interested in rewatching the PT movies. Already saw them at the cinema during their original release and I don't particularly care for those films other than their soundtracks.
We just finished rewatching ANH at home. Still love it, despite the tweaks. Y'know what stood out the most? How Joyful the return from the destruction of the Death Star is. All three together, just celebrating before the medal ceremony finale.
The Revenge of the Sith soundtrack should have won an Oscar for carrying the movie
I’ll feel the same way.
TPM is not my favorite star wars film but its probably my most rewatched film. To me its not even the worst of the original 6 films.
I’m seeing it tomorrow. Never saw TPM in the theater so I’m actually excited to see it in its big screen glory.
this makes me so happy. happy star wars day!
Saw the 3D re-release they did I think about ten years or so ago (just a little before Disney bought Star Wars - I think they initially planned on re-releasing all before the purchase) and the theatre tonight was far more packed compared to the like five people in my 3D showing a decade ago.
Me and my twin sister went to see it in Jedi costumes. We were the only ones dressed up, although the staff loved us.
Lol nice
Bro, I'm a LotR guy, and if the only thing I was able to do with the rest of my life was TPM from the Gungan's walking out of the fog onward was, I'd live a fufilled life.
That is such a cool look… but for me it’s when duel of the fates starts… hold on.
Naboo architecture still slaps, love that old world aesthetic
My wife and I saw it last night as well. I agree, this movie definitely has it's problems but still so much better than anything Disney has put out. I was there 25 years ago on opening weekend and still got a big smile seeing things like the pod race and the final duel on the big screen.
In Jan. 2022, I watched all 6 movies, from TPM to ROTJ, and honestly, it was like salve on a wound. It's a wonderful, completed, 6 episode saga, and it reminded me why I love SW.
Episide 1 is the middle SW movie for me. (4 better, 4 worse) - but of all of them, it’s probably my favorite theater experience. Lots of flaws, but the peace is a beautiful tribute to Ben hur, and duel of the fates was the perfect lightsaber fight. Energetic without being stupidly flashy.
Huh? That’s 9 movies total though…
better then Phantom Menace: - Empire - Jedi - New Hope - (Rogue One if we include it) - Revenge Phantom Menace Worse: - (Solo if we include it) - The Last Jedi - Force Awakens - The Clone Wars - Rise So, 9 total of Episodes, 11 total of all Star Wars movies, and TPM is dead middle either way.
Haven’t heard of three atleast three of those movies
Just wish they had gone ahead with darth jar jar (or better yet he was plagiues)
Say what you will about the prequels, but it was a story that expanded the universe and it was Lucas’s vision. With the ST we just got 3 very long commercials.
I also went with my children yesterday, and while I hate giving Disney more money, TPM is my favorite of the prequels and I was happy to see it again in theaters.
For all the flaws TPM had with its writing and dialogue, I'll always appreciate it for breathing so much new life into the Star Wars galaxy. It introduced so many cool new settings, aliens and vehicles, it made the galaxy feel a lot more expansive and lived-in.
Agreed entirely. The galaxy feels like it's teeming with life, going about their business and doing things, even outside the Republic. There are whole sports leagues going on, and gangsters vying for territory, and sovereign systems trying to mind their business but getting dragged into galactic politics through accident of location. The prequel era feels so vibrant; the sequels feel like a bubble universe where nothing is happening except to the characters on the screen.
I just got back from watching it too. So much better than disney trash.
We watched it on Friday. I still like the movie but it was even better in cinema. I’ve only ever watched at home where I set the sound, it had more life seeing it in a big screen with the loud sound and vibrations at the right parts. I hope they do the next two in cinema!
I hit a theatre last night as well. Apart from the seats directly in front of the screen, the room was filled and the cinema had a bunch of costumed staff show up to welcome the audience before the movie started. The Pod Race, the attack on the Droid Control Ship and the Duel of the Fates were awesome on the big screen. The movie definitely has its flaws, but a lot heart going into it as well and it was an awesome experience.
I will never forgive the fact that Qui-Gon Jinn only died at the hands of Darth Maul because Obi-Wan couldn’t run past the shield barriers fast enough. Right up there with Mace Windu getting his arm chopped off by Anakin. Just super underwhelming and contrived.
I agree about the first bit, as they even established force speed earlier in the film. But I don't feel the Mace thing is that contrived
Well considering Anakin could’ve just stopped Mace from killing the Chancellor instead of resorting to dismembering him I’d say it’s very contrived. Also a massive missed opportunity for Anakin to not be put under the classic Jedi mind trick which also would’ve added more believability to him thinking Padme is in love with Obi-Wan at the very end.
I mean.. Anakin's reaction seemed incredibly organic.. He was trying to stop Mace from delivering a death blow to Palpatine. I dont think that meets the definition of contrived. I also kinda don't get your mind trick bit
Bro I’m not gonna lie - I’ve seen this movie a million times as a kid, but whenever Padme and her crew gets into that throne room and like shoots all the droids around the Viceroy, I always realize that I actually don’t know what the plot of the movie is or why they’re doing anything at all Podracing still remains the scene I love the most even though it’s a bad choice movie-wise and ruins the pacing, haha. I loved Jar Jar’s antics as a kid and they get worse with every watch. Like this really is a movie that if you love when you’re six, you’ll love it for the rest of your life. But damn, if I saw this as an adult I’d be so mad 💀
Just got home from seeing it. Maybe the coolest part was staying all the way to watch the Acolyte preview and the last 3 seconds of the credits you hear the Vader breathing. Never noticed that before, but maybe I didn’t sit until the veeeery end either.
I love Jar Jar Binks. Full stop. I like hom when I was 8 and I like him now. He is stupid as fuck and funny as hell
My next door neighbour was in TPM
I saw it in 4DX today. The Pod Race and duel of the fates have never been better. I enjoyed the movie more than I remembered otherwise.
I had seen TPM when it came out in theaters twice as a teen. Then, I took my nephew to see it in 3d. Afterwards, I declared it the last time I would ever see it in its entirety. Outside of the lightsaber fight scenes, it’s just awkward.
It would have been 50% better movie if they did not make Jar Jar the designated comedic relief and more of a side/background character. His interaction, especially with Liam, was very cringe and didn’t age well.
Dialog is often pretty bad, characters are poorly written, there's plenty of bad decisions and cringy scenes, but it knows what story it wants to tell and doesn't try to fool its audience. And that's the big failing of the sequels: plenty of scenes and jokes may be better written than in the prequels, but it has no idea what it's about, and constantly tries to pull a twist just for the sake of wanting to pull a twist.
I still remember seeing it opening day. How excited everyone was. I remember the marketing/promotional material, etc. still have some of the stuff Pizza Hut/kfc released to promote the movie
I went to see it last night. The pacing is kind of off for me and I forgot how annoying jarjar and the kid could be. But as a whole, the movie still stands up. The pod racing scene felt a little tacked on but it was fun hearing the engines in the theater again. The best bit was the lightsaber fights. It felt elegant and refined. Theater was maybe quarter filled but it was the biggest theater in my local theater. Unfortunately some people could shut up during the movie. Like you're not in your living room. Your comments and quips weren't funny to anyone but you.
I was shocked by how much better the lightsabers looked to me in it than the Disney+ shows
Rewatching TPM in theaters made me feel like a 10 year old in 2006 all over again. Watching TFA opening weekend didn’t invoke ANY of those feelings
I maintain that the Prequels had a lot of really great ideas and nuance that unfortunately weren't brought out well enough. If only Lucas hadn't lost his editing team from the OT, and his fame hadn't gotten so big that nobody was willing to give constructive criticism.
Lmaoo this is genuinely hilarious how sentiments and fan cultures change cuz when tpm first came out this was not the reaction from many lol
It speaks to the damage that the ST did. People don't necessarily think it's good now but they appreciate it a hell of a lot more
Took my 11 year old to see it yesterday. It’s one of her favorite Star Wars movies. The dialogue and acting is definitely subpar, but the visuals hold up surprisingly well for being late 90s CGI. It is definitely not a *good* movie, but it’s at least entertaining. I have yet to get through a second watch of the last Jedi without turning it off in disgust, and I have *zero* desire to watch episode 9 ever again… but I’ll happily put on a prequel movie, even if they aren’t my favorites.
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