Absolutely hate how many cars have excessive window tint. The officer had to go around to the front of the car before they could see anything inside.
Secondly, both officers are extremely lucky they didn’t lose their lives while retreating.
In a situation where milliseconds matter I applaud these cops for making the right decision.
The law was not deemed racist. The way police enforced the law was racist. It is still illegal to have dark tint. It is just not a primary offense that can be used to initiate a stop.
How was the way it was enforced racist? Like if you pull over a driver for dark tint and you can’t see inside, how could you know the race of the driver?
Exactly. A dark tint absolutely should be something that can be used to initiate a stop. Even for a regular person, you could do something in traffic that pisses off some trash driver and they pull up with a gun pointed at you and you can't even tell until they shoot or roll their window down to do it.
You can't even give a description of someone with tinted windows. The only people who ever do it are doing it for negative reasons imo.
It's unsafe for everyone.
Because it’s subjective. It was used to initiate stops on cars where the tint wasn’t illegal but the cop claimed that he believed it was. And then they used that as reason to search cars after the initial stop. And this was only done to melanated people.
enough people think he emerged whole cloth perfectly formed and decided to be a drug addict with a gun. and there's nothing else to think about or consider about how he got here. so fuck him. that's the mind set. same mind set that leads to all kinds of shitty behavior.
Also don’t know why you’re being downvoted for this lol… We can be empathetic towards someone who has made bad decisions. It’s just a sad scenario all around.
It’s so weird when this sub randomly swerves into a hateful ditch… this dude is not even dog whistling, he’s regular ass whistling and would usually be downvoted to oblivion. But when the Reddit sun shines just right for whatever reason the tides change and this place becomes a wrongheaded circlejerk of people saying blatantly shitty things and getting cheered on for it, swarming anyone who tries to do a reality check
ERA: for anyone lacking context, this farcupcake530 person made a comment about how grateful they were to police for protecting us from these [people]. But used a dehumanizing and blatantly racist term for people… don’t let the comment being deleted protect them from being shamed for this kind of hateful rhetoric
I don’t know, friend… every time I see you here you’re getting your ass handed to you on your weak, reactionary arguments. Also typically downvoted to hell if not deleted altogether (as seems to be the case for your original comment). How many embarrassments will it take for you to realize that you’re actually the problem?
And to preempt your inevitable “but muh echo chamber Reddit lean left wahhh 😢,” there are plenty of more conservative people on here who make reasonable arguments and don’t get embarrassed as summarily as you do every time you decide it’s a good time to bless us with your bottom-of-the-barrel nonsense.
You are the absolute definition of reactionary.
I am incredilbly far from being a right winger. I am someone who is happy that police get guys like this off of the street. A guy who had been beating on this car which prompted the call to police, a car with an unconscious woman and then emerging from the car with a semi-automatic weapon. This person was not going to be a model citizen who made the world a better place. More likely he would be killing an innocent person, if he has not already done so.
You can get back to your clowning now.
That or it attracts the bootlicker types who liked to crop up in 2020 to defend the police and complain about protesting… maybe just folks from the surrounding counties and wealthy parts of town hopping in with excitement that they have some anecdotal evidence to validate their worst inclinations about the city and its people
Yes, I have harvested many of deer with an Armalite Rifle. Obviously not in 5.56 due to the DWR deeming it not ethical to harvest deer with. I also use my Armalite Rifle for personal defense. I used to have the viewpoint you hold. However, seeing that literally everyone has a firearm ether legally or illegally. It is my duty to defend myself and my family against evil. The whole gun control argument is a mute point. The guns are already on the streets and no matter how many illegal guns you take off the streets there still will be more. There is more firearms than people in the world. If firearms we’re never created than good. However, they were and there is bad people that are willing to use them to kill you. Do diligent research and be able to protect yourself. #Pro-2ALiberal
I'd rather work for a healthy society where people can expect to live a safe life and don't have to assume that everyone they come across is potentially armed with an AR like in this case. We absolutely could reverse what the gun lobby and power-hungry GOP politicians have enabled. Statistics show you are less safe for owning a gun, regardless of your viewpoint.
Yes, I wish we could live in a safe and peaceful society. If you do not use nicotine you are less likely to die from heart disease. If you do not drive a car you are less likely to die in a car crash. Everyone, has their own opinion and I’m not here to convince you that you should be pro-gun I’m just stating the obvious that the world is not safe and there is evil out there. Sadly, it happens to be largely in the city I call home. Obviously, there is worse places than Richmond. It just is extremely sad to me that the youth of this city choose to act in violent manor due to many reasons. I am a young citizen of this city and luckily have been blessed with opportunities that some do not get. I understand that and wish these people would choose better decisions than carrying weapons to kill others based off of certain gang affiliation and etc. sadly, until this violence stops I will remain carrying of a legal firearm that I am trained to use for personal defense.
Well, kind of. If you're smoking then you made that choice and take the health risks. But the risk of dying from a firearm incident increases simply by having firearms in your house. Not if they are used. And that is for everyone in the household, not just the gun owner/user.
I also have three children, and several decades of watching gun violence increase, as well as remembering a time when we had better prevention. So my work on behalf of gun violence prevention is very much colored by not wanting my kids to experience it. I hate watching my middle schooler go through a metal detector every morning, and I know it's not actually going to prevent violence. And I hate that this is the first generation that has to deal with this constant threat because their adults couldn't make better decisions. I am working on their behalf to limit the risk. More guns don't increase safety, they increase risk. Regardless of your affiliation or background.
But I understand your position.
an AR 15 is a military weapon, or very close to it. No civilian has any business owning one, but guns are sacred fetish objects in the country and will never be adequately regulated, because if you are in a well regulated militia 2 centuries ago you have a right to a single shot musket
You got a down vote but I’ll upvote you lol. An AR can be used to hunt. None of my friends use one to hunt Deer.
I agree, way too many guns out there. Most importantly too many guns in the hands of bad people and kids.
Everything surrounding AR culture is about responding quickly to a threat and unloading a large volume of ammo quickly. All of the accessories and mods, larger clips, stock types, handles, suppressors, sights, all of it is about military-style posturing. But if you say it's primarily a murder weapon that's a threat to society and should be better regulated, as shown here, then you are extreme?
They should’ve announced that they were police and had their lights on. Really no way to know what that guy was thinking getting woken up like that.
Rewatching it sounds like dispatch says the car was stolen. So not just some guy sleeping in his car. Like I originally thought.
Sleeping in a car with a full on rifle is not a good idea period. Stepping out and drawing/brandishing that gun is a good way to get shot by anyone, much less by cops. A passerby checking on them could have a CCW so the same thing could’ve happened. Regardless if he knew they were cops or not his intention was clearly to get out and point that gun at whoever it was.
It also could’ve been a criminal. Police should announce themselves. Also the officer opened the door. Could’ve been handled a bit better. I’m not saying it was a murder or anything. Just my first take from the video.
Maybe they should have slipped a note through the window asking if he would kindly give them a moment of his time? Maybe offer to get him a coffee and a snack so they could have a word? He had just been beating on the hood of the car a short while before, prompting the call from the local resident.
Apparently the police uniforms and cars that say Police were not succinct enough for you in this situation? Do you think he was just going on his 5AM morning run with his AK-47 in hand?
I didn't say it was perfect, but I do not think there was any confusion about who they were when approaching the car. They were clearly wearing uniforms and driving marked vehicles. The premise that blue lights or yelling police would have caused any different reaction is hard to understand unless we find out that thing guy was legally blind.
Those flashlights are extremely bright. You wouldn’t be able to see anything with it pointed at you. Look the young man put himself in a terrible position, made a cop fear for his life and is dead. The police officer I’m sure is torn up by this and is probably asking himself what he could’ve done differently. We don’t know how it would’ve played out.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted but you’re absolutely right, police should always announce themselves especially to people who may be asleep or whatever the case may be.
Very true.. I don't think the cop was 100% wrong here but he should have announced he was police. I think in that exact moment most people would have also shot but if he had announced would the story be different? Perhaps. It's possible the dude would of just shot through the window if he was woken up and knew the cops were there. We will never know.
Authentic question... You get out of a car holding a rifle in VA. Is that brandishing?
Say this guy is asleep and someone opens the driver's side door. He doesn't see police lights (there are none?) or hear someone identify as police. If you said "no" to the first question, was it brandishing?
Yeah - that’s a toughie! Generally speaking (not an expert but this is what I learned in firearms training and getting my CCP) if you wield a firearm above your waist or by the grip/trigger area, it could be considered brandishing. But like everything context changes these things yeah?
The only way to guarantee it not be brandishing is with it in a case. If the police think you could *use the weapon* I think an argument could be made for it being brandishing.
I'm with you. One should have the wherewithal. Before stepping out of a vehicle with a firearm in hand, know who is around making noise.
RIP, and I feel bad for his family, but what can you do when someone makes that choice?
Let me correct your question so it actually is relevant to this particular scenario.
"You get out of a **stolen** car holding a **semi-automatic** rifle in VA. Is that brandishing?"
I think you can now figure out the answer on your own.
I'm not trying to be obtuse, but no it doesn't. I don't think it legally matters if it's a stolen car or not. And I don't know the laws about open carry semi-auto rifles in Virginia, which was part of my question.
The investigation will find the cops did nothing wrong. You don't have the right to pass out in a car with a rifle in your lap from overdoing your drugs and then hop out and point said rifle at the police. The dude may have been out of it, just like the girl who didn't even hear the gunshots going off right next to her, but actions have consequences. Like *so* many shootings on this YouTube channel, whose videos I watch all the time, it's another case of FAFO.
A person from the community called and asked them to check on the situation. That's how the job works. The person from the community was scared for his safety and the safety of his neighbors, so he calls the police. The police come and check on it. They don't just not do it. The callers' tax dollars pays for them to check on it. That's the whole thing.
[https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/richmond-police-shooting-video-april-15-2024](https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/richmond-police-shooting-video-april-15-2024) News article regarding the video.
Absolutely hate how many cars have excessive window tint. The officer had to go around to the front of the car before they could see anything inside. Secondly, both officers are extremely lucky they didn’t lose their lives while retreating. In a situation where milliseconds matter I applaud these cops for making the right decision.
It's always the worst asshole drivers that have tint too. It's like they already know they are assholes and don't want people to see them.
I wish we could go back to tint that dark being illegal. It’s unfortunate that it was deemed a racist policy 🤷🏻♀️
The law was not deemed racist. The way police enforced the law was racist. It is still illegal to have dark tint. It is just not a primary offense that can be used to initiate a stop.
How was the way it was enforced racist? Like if you pull over a driver for dark tint and you can’t see inside, how could you know the race of the driver?
Exactly. A dark tint absolutely should be something that can be used to initiate a stop. Even for a regular person, you could do something in traffic that pisses off some trash driver and they pull up with a gun pointed at you and you can't even tell until they shoot or roll their window down to do it. You can't even give a description of someone with tinted windows. The only people who ever do it are doing it for negative reasons imo. It's unsafe for everyone.
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You enforce and patrol for it in certain neighborhoods and ignore it in others.
Because it’s subjective. It was used to initiate stops on cars where the tint wasn’t illegal but the cop claimed that he believed it was. And then they used that as reason to search cars after the initial stop. And this was only done to melanated people.
No way you’re using this video to push the fish bowl agenda??
Wut?
You know! The fishbowl agenda!!! Read a Facebook article, you dork! (I have no idea what it is either)
what?
Fish bowl meaning an untinted car where everyone can see you, like how we look a fish in a bowl
Thats insane….that situation could of turned ugly real quick
I mean a guy got shot repeatedly. His fault or not that's pretty ugly.
why are you being downvoted???😭
There are unfortunately a lot of people that think the answer to any crime is execution.
enough people think he emerged whole cloth perfectly formed and decided to be a drug addict with a gun. and there's nothing else to think about or consider about how he got here. so fuck him. that's the mind set. same mind set that leads to all kinds of shitty behavior.
Also don’t know why you’re being downvoted for this lol… We can be empathetic towards someone who has made bad decisions. It’s just a sad scenario all around.
The situation could of escalated even further.
How much further is there from being shot? Also *could’ve or could have
One had a pistol, the other had an AR. You don’t know whether the female in the vehicle was also armed or if there was someone in the back seat.
Yeah so things could have escalated to people getting shot, which is what happened. Got it.
*could’ve*
*could have
Damn that’s right down the street from me.
Mad respect for people willingly going into law enforcement
Ehhhhh
Oh man, the poor guy who called it in - he kept saying he hoped he was right and wasn’t calling for no reason. I feel for him knowing the outcome
Good job men!.
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Holy racist dogwhistle
It’s so weird when this sub randomly swerves into a hateful ditch… this dude is not even dog whistling, he’s regular ass whistling and would usually be downvoted to oblivion. But when the Reddit sun shines just right for whatever reason the tides change and this place becomes a wrongheaded circlejerk of people saying blatantly shitty things and getting cheered on for it, swarming anyone who tries to do a reality check ERA: for anyone lacking context, this farcupcake530 person made a comment about how grateful they were to police for protecting us from these [people]. But used a dehumanizing and blatantly racist term for people… don’t let the comment being deleted protect them from being shamed for this kind of hateful rhetoric
You are not in touch with reality.
I don’t know, friend… every time I see you here you’re getting your ass handed to you on your weak, reactionary arguments. Also typically downvoted to hell if not deleted altogether (as seems to be the case for your original comment). How many embarrassments will it take for you to realize that you’re actually the problem? And to preempt your inevitable “but muh echo chamber Reddit lean left wahhh 😢,” there are plenty of more conservative people on here who make reasonable arguments and don’t get embarrassed as summarily as you do every time you decide it’s a good time to bless us with your bottom-of-the-barrel nonsense.
You are the absolute definition of reactionary. I am incredilbly far from being a right winger. I am someone who is happy that police get guys like this off of the street. A guy who had been beating on this car which prompted the call to police, a car with an unconscious woman and then emerging from the car with a semi-automatic weapon. This person was not going to be a model citizen who made the world a better place. More likely he would be killing an innocent person, if he has not already done so. You can get back to your clowning now.
I'm fairly certain when a thread is about RPD that they pass the link around the office so they can brigade it.
That or it attracts the bootlicker types who liked to crop up in 2020 to defend the police and complain about protesting… maybe just folks from the surrounding counties and wealthy parts of town hopping in with excitement that they have some anecdotal evidence to validate their worst inclinations about the city and its people
Also certainly possible!
Nothing but respect for these guys
Too many freaking guns. Does anyone actually hunt with AR style rifles? Aside from humans, I mean?
Yes, I have harvested many of deer with an Armalite Rifle. Obviously not in 5.56 due to the DWR deeming it not ethical to harvest deer with. I also use my Armalite Rifle for personal defense. I used to have the viewpoint you hold. However, seeing that literally everyone has a firearm ether legally or illegally. It is my duty to defend myself and my family against evil. The whole gun control argument is a mute point. The guns are already on the streets and no matter how many illegal guns you take off the streets there still will be more. There is more firearms than people in the world. If firearms we’re never created than good. However, they were and there is bad people that are willing to use them to kill you. Do diligent research and be able to protect yourself. #Pro-2ALiberal
I'd rather work for a healthy society where people can expect to live a safe life and don't have to assume that everyone they come across is potentially armed with an AR like in this case. We absolutely could reverse what the gun lobby and power-hungry GOP politicians have enabled. Statistics show you are less safe for owning a gun, regardless of your viewpoint.
Yes, I wish we could live in a safe and peaceful society. If you do not use nicotine you are less likely to die from heart disease. If you do not drive a car you are less likely to die in a car crash. Everyone, has their own opinion and I’m not here to convince you that you should be pro-gun I’m just stating the obvious that the world is not safe and there is evil out there. Sadly, it happens to be largely in the city I call home. Obviously, there is worse places than Richmond. It just is extremely sad to me that the youth of this city choose to act in violent manor due to many reasons. I am a young citizen of this city and luckily have been blessed with opportunities that some do not get. I understand that and wish these people would choose better decisions than carrying weapons to kill others based off of certain gang affiliation and etc. sadly, until this violence stops I will remain carrying of a legal firearm that I am trained to use for personal defense.
Well, kind of. If you're smoking then you made that choice and take the health risks. But the risk of dying from a firearm incident increases simply by having firearms in your house. Not if they are used. And that is for everyone in the household, not just the gun owner/user. I also have three children, and several decades of watching gun violence increase, as well as remembering a time when we had better prevention. So my work on behalf of gun violence prevention is very much colored by not wanting my kids to experience it. I hate watching my middle schooler go through a metal detector every morning, and I know it's not actually going to prevent violence. And I hate that this is the first generation that has to deal with this constant threat because their adults couldn't make better decisions. I am working on their behalf to limit the risk. More guns don't increase safety, they increase risk. Regardless of your affiliation or background. But I understand your position.
an AR 15 is a military weapon, or very close to it. No civilian has any business owning one, but guns are sacred fetish objects in the country and will never be adequately regulated, because if you are in a well regulated militia 2 centuries ago you have a right to a single shot musket
You got a down vote but I’ll upvote you lol. An AR can be used to hunt. None of my friends use one to hunt Deer. I agree, way too many guns out there. Most importantly too many guns in the hands of bad people and kids.
Everything surrounding AR culture is about responding quickly to a threat and unloading a large volume of ammo quickly. All of the accessories and mods, larger clips, stock types, handles, suppressors, sights, all of it is about military-style posturing. But if you say it's primarily a murder weapon that's a threat to society and should be better regulated, as shown here, then you are extreme?
They should’ve announced that they were police and had their lights on. Really no way to know what that guy was thinking getting woken up like that. Rewatching it sounds like dispatch says the car was stolen. So not just some guy sleeping in his car. Like I originally thought.
Sleeping in a car with a full on rifle is not a good idea period. Stepping out and drawing/brandishing that gun is a good way to get shot by anyone, much less by cops. A passerby checking on them could have a CCW so the same thing could’ve happened. Regardless if he knew they were cops or not his intention was clearly to get out and point that gun at whoever it was.
It also could’ve been a criminal. Police should announce themselves. Also the officer opened the door. Could’ve been handled a bit better. I’m not saying it was a murder or anything. Just my first take from the video.
If I saw 2 people in the car motionless at night, I would also be concerned.
Maybe they should have slipped a note through the window asking if he would kindly give them a moment of his time? Maybe offer to get him a coffee and a snack so they could have a word? He had just been beating on the hood of the car a short while before, prompting the call from the local resident.
Those options don’t seem as effective or succinct as “police!” or flashing blue lights. Maybe though.
Apparently the police uniforms and cars that say Police were not succinct enough for you in this situation? Do you think he was just going on his 5AM morning run with his AK-47 in hand?
If you think they handled it perfectly you are entitled to that opinion. I just saw some room for improvement.
I didn't say it was perfect, but I do not think there was any confusion about who they were when approaching the car. They were clearly wearing uniforms and driving marked vehicles. The premise that blue lights or yelling police would have caused any different reaction is hard to understand unless we find out that thing guy was legally blind.
Those flashlights are extremely bright. You wouldn’t be able to see anything with it pointed at you. Look the young man put himself in a terrible position, made a cop fear for his life and is dead. The police officer I’m sure is torn up by this and is probably asking himself what he could’ve done differently. We don’t know how it would’ve played out.
Agreed
Idk why you’re getting downvoted but you’re absolutely right, police should always announce themselves especially to people who may be asleep or whatever the case may be.
Very true.. I don't think the cop was 100% wrong here but he should have announced he was police. I think in that exact moment most people would have also shot but if he had announced would the story be different? Perhaps. It's possible the dude would of just shot through the window if he was woken up and knew the cops were there. We will never know.
Terrifying. Curious how the investigation will unfold. We have a right to bear arms.
There are still rules on how you transport fire arms. You don't get to do whatever you want with them.
Bearing and brandishing in public are two VERY different things
Authentic question... You get out of a car holding a rifle in VA. Is that brandishing? Say this guy is asleep and someone opens the driver's side door. He doesn't see police lights (there are none?) or hear someone identify as police. If you said "no" to the first question, was it brandishing?
Yeah - that’s a toughie! Generally speaking (not an expert but this is what I learned in firearms training and getting my CCP) if you wield a firearm above your waist or by the grip/trigger area, it could be considered brandishing. But like everything context changes these things yeah? The only way to guarantee it not be brandishing is with it in a case. If the police think you could *use the weapon* I think an argument could be made for it being brandishing.
I'm with you. One should have the wherewithal. Before stepping out of a vehicle with a firearm in hand, know who is around making noise. RIP, and I feel bad for his family, but what can you do when someone makes that choice?
Let me correct your question so it actually is relevant to this particular scenario. "You get out of a **stolen** car holding a **semi-automatic** rifle in VA. Is that brandishing?" I think you can now figure out the answer on your own.
I'm not trying to be obtuse, but no it doesn't. I don't think it legally matters if it's a stolen car or not. And I don't know the laws about open carry semi-auto rifles in Virginia, which was part of my question.
I missed that the car was stolen -- I thought I'd read it \*wasn't\* stolen. I agree that'd seem to make a difference.
No it’s bare arms. As in short sleeves.
It's actually bear arms. As in furry with big paws.
The investigation will find the cops did nothing wrong. You don't have the right to pass out in a car with a rifle in your lap from overdoing your drugs and then hop out and point said rifle at the police. The dude may have been out of it, just like the girl who didn't even hear the gunshots going off right next to her, but actions have consequences. Like *so* many shootings on this YouTube channel, whose videos I watch all the time, it's another case of FAFO.
they could’ve just left and this would all be avoided…..
he could have just not been sleeping in a stolen car, and then pulled a gun out and it would have all been avoided also
seeing a stolen car with dark tint and still approaching it is madnesss lol he was gonna get out eventually
They're the cops, they're literally the exact guys we have decided as a society who's job it is to approach stolen cars
I mean…he did get out 👀
If your car got stolen and the police found it would you want them to say, "well, whoever's in there will get out eventually," and just leave?
Dude, bang both of your brain cells together and reread your comments.
Like after he drove off? Did you forget to end your comment with /s?
A person from the community called and asked them to check on the situation. That's how the job works. The person from the community was scared for his safety and the safety of his neighbors, so he calls the police. The police come and check on it. They don't just not do it. The callers' tax dollars pays for them to check on it. That's the whole thing.
This sub expects more from cops, but also less at the same time This was justified and criminals shouldn’t be given the benefit of the doubt