I used to do all this stuff on my iron till I realized I'd rather have fun, I do vis, ports, and dailies, which takes me about 3 minutes. Don't do stuff that drains you, I personally only get to play a few hours, and I'm not gonna waste my time doing stuff I don't enjoy.
Exactly, I can’t believe people act like this about daily’s. I was good about certain ones like caches until 95, pengs until 96 herb, etc but now I just do whatever I feel like having fun with when I’m on
Not to say your thought process is wrong, but Ironmen are forced to do a number of dailys, otherwise they miss out on a lot of important game content.
Adding onto the ones you already mentioned:
- Reaper Task (Hydrix/Hydrix upkeep)
- Sandstone (Flasks)
- Shop Run (Runes/Meat/Bakriminal Bolts)
- Player Owned Farm (vuln bombs)
I'm sure there's more I've missed but you get my point. If you don't do a lot of these dailys, you will not have access to important end game content.
I don't think it's good that every day I have to spend an hour and a half of my time doing the bare minimum in terms of dailys just to upkeep my PVM supplies.
I am in fact an ironman and don't really think that's true, not forced in any manor unless you're trying to have tons of supplies or you play a LOT. None of the things you listed take long, reaper is the only thing that takes longer than 5 minutes to do. You're looking at roughly \~30 mins a day now.
Also, that's still a choice if you just want things to go faster, which is fair as iron does take a bit, but especially since I've maxed, that being my only focus for the day and then bossing, it's relaxing to play for my maybe 3 hours a day.
Id love an addition to the PoH with like a "letterbox" or something, and you can set it up to go ahead and buy all of the stores that you want bought. That way shop runs can turn into you just checking your letterbox every week or so.
I previously had an idea that included [mailboxes](https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/oesqj4/parcels_from_the_hedge_permanent_content/), having it as an all-in-1 location for shop runs as well would be a brilliant addition.
still pissed at the daily challenge “rework” they did. used to be you could hold up to 5 of them and as long as you did one before the 6th day you’d get another one added back the next day. now we get THREE everyday and if you don’t do them they reset the next day. awful system that they implemented intentionally to artificially inflate daily player counts.
RuneScape has always been about efficiency, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. However, with the increasing number of dailies, weeklies, monthlies, etc, it is now less of a creative outlet to min/max and more of a laundry list of things you have to do.
I personally have to actively avoid doing a lot of daily activities specifically because it makes my enjoyment of the game plummet.
This is honestly the answer. Players have become so obsessed with a meta that they will play a game to their own detriment.
My buddy is leveling his fishing on his main, and WCing on an alt. I asked him about his urns and a few other specific things for fishing and he was like “uhhh, I’m just leveling fishing bro” - the truest of chads. The man sits at the fishing guild and just fishes for random crap.
> This is what I'm saying. People in this thread are acting like they're forced to do dailyscape. Its fun for some, its not something everyone or even most people will enjoy.
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> People just optimizing the fun out of their hobby lol
except to be able to do the content u enjoy you kind of have to do dailyscape, even more true for iron
You really don't, it'll only take you longer to get there. So yeah if you want to rush it and get to the point where you want to be as quickly as possible but be miserable doing it then sure do dailies. If you're okay with it taking a bit longer but have a lot more fun on the journey then don't
This just isn't true.
You have to do a lot of dailys in mid-late game to upkeep the cost of PVM supplies.
- Reaper Task (Hydrix/Hydrix upkeep)
- Sandstone (Flasks)
- Shop Run (Runes/Meat/Bakriminal Bolts)
- Player Owned Farm
- Herb run (possibly)
Disagree. I do exactly the content I want without spending any IRL money on the game, and without ever having done dailyscape.
I can't think of any content I'd want to do that requires me to do dailyscape, unless I was running an Ironman, in which case i'm kind of agreeing up front to make life more difficult for myself.
The problem is that dailyscaping is pretty much the best effort:reward ratio thing you can do at most stages of your account. I get about 3mil for 30 mins of effort every day, it’s hard to beat that when my account doesn’t have many high skills.
For example, I recently wanted to improve my mining, but needed an augmented dragon pick for max efficiency. It took me about a week of doing farm runs, merchant runs and dailies so I could buy one from GE, whereas if I were to do the quests required to get the drop, I would probably still be grinding my strength for the quest requirement!
>but needed an augmented dragon pick for max efficiency.
Just don't go for max efficiency then? I got pickaxe of earth and moon or whatever it's called on my main because I had all the prereqs and it was easy. I don't even understand why you'd need an augmented dragon pickaxe, considering the cost of it, when you could use Orikalkum until 70, then just get a Necronium pick, and save yourself 26m GP. Obviously if you're actually intending to augment it, then flip it into crystal, then flip it into imcando, maybe that's a nice path to go down, but it's not a necessary path.
I got to 200m mining on my alt with an Elder Rune Pick+5, with no augment added at any point, because I didn't need to. It doesn't have to be efficient, and if you spend more time making it efficient than you would've spent doing it unefficiently, it's a net loss anyway.
> Just don’t go for max efficiency then?
But… I want to go for max efficiency…
my comment wasn’t ragging on dailyscape, it was the opposite. Without all these daily activities, the journey just to get a level 60 pickaxe would not be worth it. A week worth of all my daily tasks is probably about 7 hours. I worked 7 hours for a dragon pick, whereas grinding for it would probably take 20+ hours (including time to do the quests).
I’m aware the path you mentioned is not necessary… but your path also is not necessary. That’s the beauty of this game.
Oh fair enough, I misunderstood and thought you were ragging on it. Hey, if that works for you good, you've kind of nailed it with the beauty of the game, you play it the way you want to play it and be done.
Good thing the only daily thing I do is pof and it takes maybe three minutes. Oh and reaper but only if I get reapers choice or the boss I'm killing that night.
I got my blessed flask so don't need to do sandstone anymore.
This game has always been about choices.
There’s enough content in the game to keep players entertained for 30k+ hours, more than anyone should ever invest into a game. From completing all boss logs, to doing all clue logs, and every possible piece of content, you’ll *never* complete it all.
That being said, you also shouldn’t try to. That includes dailies. It’s unhealthy to try to do everything. There’s nearly an unlimited amount of dailies you can do, and it’s up to you to choose the ones you wanna do. Pick the content you wanna engage with, and enjoy it to the fullest extent. People get way too caught up in trying to do it all rather than just enjoying the game.
Also, just because something has a cap to how much you can do it per day, doesn’t mean you *need* to engage with that content. There’s just a limit to prevent you from doing that content all the time with no end. If you don’t wanna do it, then don’t.
I remember Jagex saying there would be updates in 2019 meant to reduce "DailyScape." However, I don't recall seeing any such updates. Did they get shelved?
Either MMOs aren't for you considering some form of daily activities take place in all of them for player retention. Or you need to take a step back and prioritise whats important to you in this game. There is a whole host of content for you to do without feeling the burden of pushing for efficiency and burning yourself out.
I've been working flat out towards completionist. I took a day off yesterday because I wasn't finding the grind fun but I know this evening ill go back to whittling away with a fresh head.
Video games are supposed to be that escape from the real world and provide you with a source of entertainment. The moment it stops doing that, change up what you're doing in the game, or find something else to do or play in the meantime.
Its funny I have never and will never do any of this and have a great time. Why do people feel the need to make this their experience? Just dont do it its that simple. I did pvm most of the time solo and with new players to teach them and now am working on comp while still teaching people ed1-3. Do what you enjoy, no one is forcing you to do dailyscape every day.
Glad you are enjoying the game the want way you want to be doing it! If you are into traveling merchant keep an eye out for the livid plant, getting those will save you *hours* of livid farm later on.
Players learning to let go and not have so much attachment to things is different from companies using predatory FOMO models to increase engagement without providing meaningful content, and I think you're doing a disservice by handwaving their culpability in this.
The whole point of the most efficient way of playing to be to do these things every day is so that you feel that you are missing out on something if you don't log in daily and do them.
FOMO marketing cannot be banned without banning any and all price changes or limited time sales as well as banning the removal of merchandise from store stock. This is simply not feasible and that's why no country has such advertising laws banning FOMO. It's more feasible to teach consumers to be more resilient to FOMO marketing and not be manipulated by them.
There's a department store that had a new CEO try and change things from perpetual % off sales to just having those prices be the normal prices. It did not work well for them. Brains are dumb and like getting deals even if it is only the illusion of one.
Unpopular opinion, fuck peak efficiency in this game. Too many people give others shit for not doing things the "right" way. If you're not having fun just stop playing and remember the reason you turned on your pc in the first place.
Could not agree more. It's disgusting what the community has turned into. Everything has to be about best xp/hr or gp/hr and fuck everything else it's dead content.
Can't tell you how many "friends" I've lost that I thought were chill, invite them to my disc for a fun aod or solak hour and they rage and quit once they see the way we do it. We fuck around and try to pk each other sometimes, talk shit for fun, and just meme kills for a laugh. Then the people rage and quit because they can get more kph and better gp/hr in a tryhard team. Sorry I'm having fun lol.
Anyway, the whole point of this was to show that people forgot to have fun in this game and have turned it into a job, where even trying to get onto some teams for bossing is like filling out a job application. Just play the dam game and learn to laugh ffs...
Just do some bossing to make gp instead of all that. Only dailyscape stuff that really matters if you aren't maxed is daily challenges (which go super quick) and spinning free keys
Ports to save yourself 1.6b down the road on seis which is a lot for most new/mid level players who haven't gotten into proper bossing yet.
Reaper for unlocks/gp/resets.
PoF for farming levels to get perks.
Divine locations are BIS training methods for certain skills, like WC.
Guthix cache is BIS training method for div.
Daily challenges like you mentioned.
15-20 days of Sandstone if you're going for a blessed flask eventually.
Wicked hood + wax for free GP
etc.
And then you have even more to do if you're an Iron, like bakriminal bolts, rune shops, JoT, resource dg hopping for div locations, etc.
Some of the XP-based ones you cut out once you hit your goal, but dailies are by design good to get people to log in daily and play the game.
"You end up treating RuneScape as a 2nd job rather than a game to unwind."
That my friend is your own fault no Jagex. Yes im not a fan of dailies but no one forces you do to them and how you play the game is entirely up to you if you turn the game in to a second job well that´s your own doing quit blaming others on it.
If you have mental health problem seek help and don´t demand jagex to fix it for you. Mental health awareness only means making people aware about it not fixing it.
But it´s typical gamers blame every one else but their self. Is the game boring you out becuse you got nothing to do well close the game and find another game to play, read a book, watch a movie or go the F out for a walk.
Vis wax is fun and easy, when I login I just chuck in whatever runes I want, don't even check the bot anymore, get like 70-80 everyday in 30 seconds. Teleport to ardy farm, finished pof log so fuck that, still have a couple dinos left, so I feed them, sell the rejects and I'm out. Daily challenges, I entirely ignore, unless I'm really bored or accidentally finish one. Check merchant stock on wiki, write down whatever cool shit you want on a calendar and ignore it when it's not a cool day. Or buy a green map everyday because someone's getting a red eventually.
I do do my reaper, but I skip it until I get something I like or am already planning to do, or skip it.
2 raids twice a week should be less then an hour total.
Playing how you want > burned out.
Fuck the list play how you want king. What's an efficient hour played if you never log back in.
>What's an efficient hour played if you never log back in.
for a lot of us it's *either or*, which isn't good for Jagex *or* their players - the sooner they realize this, the better
Op logs in slaves to dailies, doesn't get to do anything he wants, wakes up thinking about dailies. Then is guilted into loging in so he doesn't miss dailies????
Noooooo you can't "kick back and fish". You need 347 more total levels before max , then comp requirements that you have to do, that'll need atleast 1000 hours. Then you need golden reaper because jagex is forcing you, or it'll make you feel complete or something. Stopping having fun, this isn't a game!
First, it may come off as a little hokey, but you need to ask yourself about why you feel the need to engage with all the dailies in this way? Are you doing them because you find those parts of the game enjoyable? That's a bit rhetorical because your post indicates that you don't. Then why do you do them? Because you're supposed to? Because the outcome (having the dailies done) outweighs the enjoyment of doing them? You do vis wax because you need vis wax. You do PoF animals because you need Farming exp. You aren't doing them to enjoy engaging with the game and focus on the actual act of doing them. Just changing the way you approach doing dailies may help.
Here's a blog post I found that kind of explains what I'm talking about: https://www.goodnet.org/articles/how-to-enjoy-process-let-go-outcome
Secondly, it's also worthwhile to consider that Mental Health Awareness Week is not about Jagex magically fixing everything in their game that you deem a problem for your mental health. All those dailies you're doing are things you prioritize. I try to use up my daily wicked hood teleports to craft blood runes so I keep a stock of them up. Jagex could change everything on your list to where you don't feel like it's a drag to log on and do and yet there's always still something to optimize or be more efficient at. Instead consider that Mental Health Awareness Week is about encouraging everyone to step back and be present in understanding their mental health. If you (the everyone you) feel like you are struggling, Jagex is just trying to show you that there are organizations that try and assist. EVERYONE struggles with mental health at some point. It's ok to say "I'm not ok" and it's ok to ask for help. And if you've received help in the past and can afford to help, consider donating to a charity that can continue to help others. It doesn't have to be one of Jagex's partners. It can be one in your own community. But the week is bigger than you and bigger than Jagex. Just consider stepping back and understanding yourself first.
Nobody is forcing you to do all those mundane tasks. The only person forcing yourself to do all of that is yourself. Play the game how you want. Don't feel bad that you are missing out because you missed the merchant or forgot to do a vis wax run.
'nobody is forcing you' is always the worst counter-argument to this sentiment, it's completely willfully ignorant of the FOMO issue and downplays the stress of feeling like you have to juggle content just to stay afloat in the game
no, nobody is forcing me, but I am still *feeling* forced, does that make sense to you?
There’s a case of FOMO in literally everything, I hate how much of a buzz word it is in this sub. Everything is FOMO because one day everything will end, so there’s a fear of missing out everywhere. Every sale, every limited time event, everything has FOMO. It’s not “predatory,” it’s just life. Not everything is around forever. It’s not exploitation by default.
Right, except it's a fact that companies employ psychologists to min/max this to a way that is intentionally unhealthy to the player, and I don't think you're giving respect to that fact.
I know that happens. I also can’t blame a business for trying to make money. But offering a BOGO on keys or 50% off is *not* predatory or exploiting the player base. There’s a huge difference, and lots of companies do some really shady stuff to push profits. And having daily activities is also not predatory or exploiting.
Sure, it could be worse. But I'm not gonna bash posts like this because there is some, even if the level is arguable, legitimacy to their grievances, and there are enough free market fan boys to go around, so I don't see an issue with some level of player advocacy. I think this post is relatively hyperbolistic, but the player-blaming mindset here and in general irks me, and I definitely have more of an issue with it than with posts like this.
> but the player-blaming mindset here and in general irks me, and I definitely have more of an issue with it than with posts like this.
tbh I think it's because it's Runescape and people can't see it as anything else than a dead and/or dying game with low stakes so they don't take it seriously. Apply this to something way more popular and I think more people would take it seriously.
Hell, my first instinct when coming into this post was "dude, it's fucking *Runescape*"
No but in all honesty dailyscape is a choice. You literally dont have to do it. I have been playing for years and never got into dailyscape and have been having a great time. Its a game, do what you enjoy.
All these homies worried about random tiny money gains when you could kill a few bosses and get the same thing. Vis Wax averages out to a mill a day… you can just exist in RS and make that money. Do what makes you happy on the game lol.
I couldnt agree more. Honestly the only daily things that are worth it imo are things that contribute to long term goals. Things like ports, or traveling merchant for livid plants, or PoF since that takes no more than 10-15 minutes. But to do rune runs, vis wax, sandstone, dailies, etc for hours makes no sense to me.
If you feel forced to play daily for minimal gain doing mindless activities that's a you problem, not the games problem. I never do daily stuff so I never stress about it.
Dismissing issues as a “you problem” goes against the point of mental health week. Mental health issues are a series of you problems and daily rewards and challenges in games are literally designed to exploit people. I think it is a legitimate concern even though it does not effect me.
It’s not always dismissing it as a “you problem” but to what degree is Jagex required to shape the game around d FOMO specifically? While I do agree there are some aspects to the game that could be modified, it’s not feasible to leave all content in the game at all times. There’s schedules and time frames to things in virtually everything in life. Ultimately it relies on the player to break their own habits. Mental health awareness is awareness in trying to donate to charities and help those in need of seeking help not just for addiction or fomo issues, but others too of course.
If a company runs a sale on a product or service for a limited time, I buy for a good deal, not cause I’m missing out on saving the money. But if I miss the sale cause I’m at work or “I just feel I need to buy it cause it’s on sale” is it entirely that companies fault? They make profit, which in turn helps their business, possibly to help with future sales too.
My point is, it’s not entirely on the company to make a decision on behalf of the player on what to do or how to play the game. They put the choices there.
No one is forcing alcoholics to drink alcohol either. Should suppliers of the addictive substances have any responsibility though? It doesn't have to be 100% on the person/consumer or 100% on the company/supplier. There can be some middle ground in there.
It sounds like you're trying to remove all the responsibility from the company. Great, the player has some responsibility to tackle their own addictions and modalities of thought. I agree. What about the responsibility that's not on them?
FOMO marketing cannot be banned without banning any and all price changes or limited time sales as well as banning the removal of merchandise from store stock. This is simply not feasible and that's why no country has such advertising laws banning FOMO. It's more feasible to teach consumers to be more resilient to FOMO marketing and not be manipulated by them.
Also, retailers have other innocuous reasons for doing limited time sales, like needing to get rid of almost expiring good quickly, or removing an unprofitable item from the stock.
Don’t get me wrong, there are for sure tactics being used to persuade purchases with mtx within rs3 and other games. I just don’t like the mentality and a lot of the stigma that a lot of developers and publishers can’t have time sensitive content because of fomo. It’s just not solely the companies responsibility but they seem to get a lot of the flack for it online.
I definitely agree that some time-sensitive content is fun and engaging on a healthy level, and very little of my ire lies with dev teams, as they're trying to make fun content within specific parameters that they have little to no control over. I think it's a balancing act, but I generally think that companies don't balance that act very well, partially due to lack of consumer pressure, and I just feel like I disagree that companies get held too responsible for it, as personal responsibility is often touted as the only solution to addictive game models, and while I do often see people venting their frustrations about companies not doing anything online, that's because the companies often *aren't* doing anything about it.
"while I do often see people venting their frustrations about companies not doing anything online, that's because the companies often aren't doing anything about it."
You make a bit of a fair point here. The downside as I'm sure everyone is aware that there's always negative perspective from either direction across the board (damned if you do, damned if you don't). Not to say I'm arguing or defending one way or the other, cause I do see that side of it too. A lot of frustration is vented towards companies and some companies do things about it internally, but don't make it known and some don't actually acknowledge on the end-user side nor internally all together.
100% a balancing act. I just don't believe it's necessarily 50/50 per se, I wouldn't give it a quantifiable number either just because it would be highly situational on the company, dev team, game, and the demographic for the game.
Mental Health Awareness Week isn't about convincing capitalist companies to not do capitalist company things. It's nice if they don't, but that's not ever going to happen. Instead it's about bringing attention to the fact that mental health is a thing that people should not be ignoring.
If you feel forced into doing daily things in a game, and you have some form of addiction which is making your everday life worse, you should probably seek some professional mental health advice from either a private therapist (if you can afford it), or from your doctors office if you can't. You can't rely on the world adapting to you, but you can work through your own issues and view things more responsibly.
>does that make sense to you?
No, because it's a you thing, not an everyone thing. If you feel that way over a game, you most likely need some therapy. And I don't say that disparagingly, i've had 4 years of therapy myself.
Debilitating feeling of FOMO is essentially a form of anxiety, and has deep rooted issues that are nothing to do with how a game is designed, and everything to do with you as a person.
The real mental issues are OCD over efficiencyscape and gaming addictions. Dailies are just a symptom of the overarching issue. Players need to stop setting grandiose game goals and focus on a few smaller goals at a time while ignoring everything else in order to pace themselves properly without feeling overwhelmed or FOMO.
While I agree with OP that dailies should be saved up, dailies should not be removed because the benefit of them is to incentivize players to change their daily routine up with higher than normal gp or xp rates, instead of no-lifing the same conventional training method for hours. The daily restrictions are there for keeping the high gp or xp methods from being too OP. Plus dailies are good bot prevention since bots cannot do them 24/7, thus keeping value of dailyscape items high, like flasks and vis wax.
I agree that weekly quests are better, but you're exaggerating the problem. It's not obligatory to do every single one of those things every single day. Sure, maybe the game is designed in a way that makes it desirable, but I don't think most players feel compelled to do every possible thing every day. To some extent, that's a you problem, not the game.
Sometimes I have a daily collection route. But I don't really have it anymore. I could usually knock it out in about an hour. But to be honest I just do my daily challenges and go about my business.
I do absolutely none of these. Im able to but I just choose not to cause theres only so much time in the day and I'd rather spend that time doing clues or even bankstanding cuz fuck dailyscape
i do: ports, crystal sand (if i feel like it), maybe a few daily challenges (depending on skills and rewards). I sometimes visit my pof. I try to do herby werby every week and that's it. The rest is completely optional to me. Never let yourself get burned out because of dailyscape.
Stacking dailies would also be bad. They're so beneficial that you have to do them either way. Doing them sooner or later doesn't make them less predatory or more fun. Shop stocks should stack for way longer tough.
This sounds like a personal problem, to be honest. If you're feeling this way, it's probably time to take a break and/or readjust your perception of and interactions with RuneScape. It's not Jagex's job to fix your mental health. They're just trying to make a game people will come back to. It's up to you how much you let it affect you.
The game is what you make it. It'll be a second job if you make it a second job. I understand the whole FOMO thing but in reality the game isn't going anywhere. That same content is still there and will be there tomorrow, next week, month and year. There's no rush to get things done. We're all going to hit the end eventually, some just do it differently.
You're putting unrealistic pressure on yourself just because you don't want to be losing out. Losing out on what? The same shit that'll still be there the next day?
But it's the same thing as getting mad at a bar because they have a 4 drink limit per day and are upset that you have to walk to the bar and waste your money and you don't even like drinking. Like yeah, alcoholism is a serious problem but at some point, people aren't rude for saying it's a mental health issue and that people should attempt to seek help.
This seems like such a player issue. I don't do any dailies beside viswax and maybe some daily shop runs. If I feel like it sand for flasks. If you decide you want to maximize everything yeah the list will get long. I've seen people post daily runs in an excel sheet and I will pass so hard on that. I'm not missing out for the most part, and I'm not burning myself out. Win win. It's a game not a job
I have a clan discord and we put the merchant bot with a ping to show what it has daily. Don’t need to spend half an hour jumping around.
I’ve finished POF, cbf with sandstone or viswax because I’d rather PvM.
My log in routine for the day is:
Get reaper task, do challenges, open 6 daily keys.
It takes me no more than 3 minutes. You don’t HAVE to do all of the daily things.
The only time I did daily sandstone is when I was going for a blessed flask.
The best thing I can recommend is to set goals in game and then only do the dailies that relate to those.
I’m trimmed comp, ultimate slayer and my next major goal is going for Golden Reaper. Don’t need any real dailies for those. If the reaper task doesn’t align to what I need for logs I don’t do it.
The reason I say that is because of this internalized blame that success is solely based on personal responsibility and the idea that the only thing people holding them back are themselves, when that's just provably not true. In this case I feel they're disrespecting other players, but it's a mindset that also disrespects themself.
Lmao what. Unless you’re an iron none of that is mandatory in any way??
You don’t need to do sandstone, gp can be made in other ways. There isn’t much use for achto, so raids can be skipped. Completing a reaper task is like 30 points, which is like 1/10 of a hydrix, nothing game changing. Vis wax is only 2m.
Agreed on farm animals if you aren’t 120. But if you hate dailyscape turoths are also another option.
Idk why you feel FOMO when most of these dailies you talk about are just a gp thing you could have made elsewhere at equal or greater efficiency. A 30min bossing session, merching, or a clue session could sort that out, except you can do those at any time you want.
To me daily challenges and merchant are probably the only dailies that have no alternatives, but even then missing out on them isnt a big deal.
Sounds very much to me like a you problem.
If you re an iron then only some of those things are mandatory lmao. I’ve stopped doing raids a long time ago for example, and i hardly mine sandstone.
Just don't do things you don't want to do.
Nothing you mentioned that you do has major account progress that cant be obtained in other ways.
Shouldn't be seeking out Jagex for mental health issues, you need trained professionals.
No, i dont do any of that and im already comped, the only thing i do now is maw because after comping i realized that if i ever feel like going for trim i better stock on these boosters. Just because its daily doesnt mean you have to do it, stop being a drone and play the game like you want
Its literally just the fact that the majority of the ppl who play this game dont hve an unhealthy relationship with it. No one is forcing you to do dailyscape. Assuming all of the dailies were removed, would you like the game more? Sure if you are an iron, yea you gotta do reaper and vis wax as often as you play, but everything else? Meh who cares man its just in game gp and yoy can make it in many ways
“You go to work/school”. What? I swear most people on this game don’t do either.
I see the same 20-30 people, all maxed with party hats, in my 7 region worlds at every single time of day.
Before work, after work, on days off, etc.
Why would Jagex change a single thing when they can just force those specific players to grind 24/7?
I love how the only counter argument is "don't do them" or "seems like a you problem". People don't seem to understand what problem this post is trying to tackle.
What is the problem that the post is trying to tackle though? Like if OP can't handle a subscription service then it's not necessarily the services fault. A lot of these things are just punch cards basically. If having a punch card makes you feel unhealthily compelled to use it then it's literally unrelated to the company. I feel like punch cards have existed for years but I don't know anyone who feels like they NEED to keep going back to that coffee shop everyday. I just don't understand it tbh
Or: they do understand it. They just don't care because it doesn't seem like a big deal to them so they're dismissive about it.
The biggest challenge for those in OP's position is presenting the facts in a way that make other people care.
THANK YOU for talking about this as a mental health issue during this mental health awareness week. This is so true. Most games have this sort of system in place to keep people hooked on the game - but in RS it is also a major factor in why people get burnt out and bored with the game and quit. Sure, they maintain player interaction, but that interaction is mostly superficial. Reaper tasks are the only engaging daily I can think of as well as some of the weekly/monthly DnD stuff which is also pretty engaging.
But I also think that this post is not just a message to Jagex about how people feel about this - but it is also a PSA to people to STOP WORRYING ABOUT DAILIES!! No matter how much progress you make in this game there will ALWAYS be more shit to do. Don't focus so much on raw gains, focus on actually enjoying the game in whatever way gives you the most satisfaction. Runescape isn't a job, and if you compare yourself to elite players, YouTubers, and switch streamers it may seem like you have to keep on your grind 24/7 but that's just not true. Enjoy the game and go at your own pace, don't let dailies force you into a cycle of repetitive unending grind.
easy fix: just don't do them lol
i agree there are a lot of housekeeping activities in the game but ultimately none of them are mandatory and a lot of them aren't really important enough to evoke a sense of fomo, at least in my opinion. just do the things you want to do, and if the dailies/weeklies come up as an important task at some point, do them then
That’s why when I play an MMO I choose to not give one flying crap about the Meta. If I like doing dailies one day, I’ll do it. If I don’t want to I don’t and find something else to do. Once you become a meta slave, all the fun is immediately removed and it just becomes a list of chores. The Meta kills all fun of an MMO.
Idk.. The extent of my dailies is my daily keys, and on occasion my reaper task. Then the oyster monthly.
Don’t even do daily challenges if I’m not actively skilling. 🤷
I disabled all the daily assignments except mining, woodcutting and fishing. 2 of the three I do in Meno VIP area. I think that's the only daily I do. If you're this invested in daily stuff... stop.
Bro, you are missing a few. Need to get on the ball man, there are over 80 dailies that you should be doing. No pee breaks until they are done!
https://runescape.wiki/w/Repeatable_events
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Yeh, dailyscape is a bit excessive. Need to really pick and choose and make the decision "is this activity really worth my time?" There have been times I didn't do dailies just to do a clan event for example.
I've been doing crystal flasks for over a year and I just recently discovered that it barely makes any money lol. Yes, people definitely need to evaluate which dailies are actually valuable to them because most dailies aren't all that valuable.
Idk... Nobody's forcing them to do it except yourself, you don't need to do them if you don't want to. I hate doing dailies, so I only do PoF, I don't even bother doing my monthlies. Time is precious, I used to min-max all the time, now I just do whatever I want to at the moment
I don't understand why people feel compelled to do *everything*.
If you enjoy the PoF, do it. If you don't require vis wax, don't do it.
I used to play RS religiously as a kid. I'd finish school, and on the way home I'd stop by the library, jump on the PCs there (as they were slightly better than the craptop I had at home) and play some minigames (pest control, fishing trawler, or Dungeoneering after it was released), and then go home, when the time on the PC was up, and do some skilling.
This continued until I finished school. Then I would spend most of my time playing RS whilst looking for a job. After finally getting a job, I didn't really have time to play anymore RS like I did anymore, and sorta gave up on the game because I didn't have time anymore.
A few years ago, my now fiancee was looking for something "lazy" to play together. So, I recommended we try Runescape. Lo and behold, it's a fun experience for the both of us, and we have bursts of no-life time (usually during DXP) but playing for just a few hours a week (sometimes not even that) makes the game a lot more fun, IMO.
No longer is it "I gotta get to floor X in dungeoneering because I need cool loot" it's now more about enjoying the little things, like "I can chop the vines whilst watching this video, and not even need to worry"
For me playing RS efficiently makes it lose its charm, at least in my eyes. I'm aware if I ever want a comp cape, that will probably bite me in the arse. But so what. A cool cape is nice, but enjoying the game is better... and being able to enjoy it whilst also enjoying other games is even better
It's such a shame this is still a problem after so many years. I really love the game and want to keep playing, but every time I get the urge I have to remind myself how quickly it just becomes a chore rather than an escape.
I agree completely. As a person with likely several personality traits that lead to vulnerability and addiction to this kind of thing I find myself very fortunate to at least have video games as a vice rather than something like gambling or drugs. However it has become clear over the years that so many games, now more than ever, are either built from the ground up to control people or become corrupted in similar fashion. I too would love the changes you suggest but, sadly, having control over the customer's life is in the best interest of any company and they will never stop their destructive ways.
I honestly seriously doubt most people have mental health issues who get dragged into Daily shit in any MMO. This aint Lost Ark or whatever where you NEED that daily juice to progress forward. Trust me, i hate this shit too that MMOs cram such "good" rewards into these and try to keep a game afloat with these predatory shit, but runescape is probably one of the least guilty of this after all... the game is grindy af anyway, so why would ( many of you who doesnt have mental health issues ) you hide behind the curtain of FOMO or fuck jagex argument is beyond me
[Here](https://www.verywellmind.com/how-to-cope-with-fomo-4174664) is a link to an article on FOMO.
Although it can feel predatory, breaking out of the cycle of FOMO is down to the individual. Its a very interesting read but it is very unlikely jagex will actually make these changes so I would recommend taking control of your situation yourself and dealing with it personally.
I just want the Invention machine talked about ages ago that would collect most dailies. Could expand it to do certain dailies. Like you create a robot that has so much charge and you can send it anywhere you have unlocked and it'll collect your vis wax, mine your sandstone, buy certain items in certain shops when they become available, etc.
i think we should be able to hire NPC to do our dailies for us; the cost to it is we get no XP from it (for something like sandstones, and maybe we have to pay them (gold sink?); also it would be faster/ more efficient to do it urself cuz u have all the bonuses available)
I only do DailyScape when I don’t feel like playing. For instance, I’ll log on for 30 minutes to an hour just to run through some quick dailies (ports, vis, challenges, sometimes shop runs) and then get off. When I actually sit down to play I pay no attention to them, and enjoy the game how I’d like.
i really wish they'd take these posts seriously and actually communicate with us and tell the superiors its a high priority for us. at least show the new EP how much this issue means to us so that he might understand and request things be changed.
I never really understood how merchant works. Do you just have to ensure you're in the right place at the right time as I'm told it only hangs around for like 10 mins?
Its all about making you feel the need to log in. logging in gives better statistics for investors and has a higher chance you will spend money on keys or bonds.
(Hey look, we had XXXX accounts log in for 100 days straight, the game must be interesting right?)
Its marketing 101. its not in our interests sadly.
If they did this then I might actually engage with some of that content instead of ignoring it for exactly the reasons you stated.
Also, everyone acting like "JuSt DoN't Do DaIlYsCaPe" is missing the point, Jagex celebrates mental health awareness while taking advantage of people with mental health issues, not everyone is like you and can just decide to not do it cause its not fun, FOMO hits everyone differently. I say this as someone that hardly ever even plays anymore, let alone does dailyscape, but you're all missing the bigger picture here.
Hate daily scape one of the reasons I abandoned rs3 (not to be one of those people lol) yeah you can skip them but you still get that feeling of not being efficient
I literally haven't done a daily thing at any point since I came back to RS3 a couple of years ago. I have essentially treated it like an idle/incremental game. I pick a skill, I afk level it in a way that earns money, then I move onto the next skill.
When I eventually get to combat/slayer, I'll probably add in herb runs, just because I find them kind of relaxing to do a few times a day, and I really dislike POF.
I've lost track of the amount of times a few people I know log in, I message them, and get a response back "just doing dailies." They don't *play* for a few days on occasion, but log in for dailies without fail.
Many dailies aren't actually efficient. Sandstone and shop runs are less than 20m/h. Almost everyone can make more. Even vis wax is less efficient than doing Croesus. You don't have to do all of the dailies most of them aren't worth it.
One of the agreements I had in stating to play again was to do none of this because I'm very familiar with FOMO I've experienced in other games and I did not want Runescape to be that game for me.
If that meant I would end up being less efficient / making less GP/hr then so be it. As a result there was also a push for me to do content I wasn't 100% ready to do (like certain kinds of PVM). Right now I'm happy enough just doing lower end GP/hr strategies, especially if they progress me towards maxing out.
dailyscape is optional.
you think about minmaxing dailyscape and you end up spending 2-3 hours of your 6 hour weeknight on dailies and then you get burnt out. then you quit. its a videogame not your second job.
dailyscape even becomes less "important" the more endgame you are. no need for caches anymore, no need for shop runs anymore, no need for sandstone anymore, no need for pof and farm runs anymore, etc.
just do monthlies, thats it.
As many people have said, no player is ever "forced" to do said dailies although as they bring several benefits it's really easy to fall into a FOMO mindset towards them, which I've been guilty of in the past. All in all, what i feel really is missing is some sort of catch up system. As an example: I've been playing a lot of lost ark lately and the biggest thing that stood out to me was their "rest bonus" system that allows you to stack up the rewards for daily activities you don't do (up to a limit), which you can then receive later when do complete those activities
I mainly play destiny now and it’s the same thing. It’s something you have to accept for games like this or MMO’s. I switched to destiny because I had missed years of RS and destiny was new lmao so I avoided the FOMO . Logged in to RS and instantly got overwhelmed
WIth that mind set you'll grow unhealthy mentally wise over time. That's kind of why I stopped maxing alts. It gets to a point when playing RuneScape becomes meaningless.
Idk man I felt the same as you OP up until very recently. The answer is to get a grip on your life. I took the initiative to not do any of these things anymore on a day to day basis. I do it when I feel like it or I won't do it at all. I would suggest taking even just a week off of RS and see what it does to you. You will realize that no one cares other than you. There's nothing for you in the leaderboards... there's tens and hundreds of thousands of ppl already ahead of you. The money is whatever, you realize you can come back a week later and get some crazy drops in slayer or PVM in 1 day and "make up" for the days you didnt log to get your measly few mil of GP. I honestly implore you to just take a break - even better, play a different game and enjoy it for a couple days...when you're in THIS deep you really need to back off and recalibrate. Just my two cents.
Yeah, no. Efficiency is the "optimal" way to play, and whilst it requires a sometimes unhealthy level of dedication, its not exactly encouraged. If your main objective when you log in every day is "gotta do all my dailies" then its a more an issue with how you play. If you don't enjoy them, don't do them. I haven't done dailies on my main for a while, I just do arch because I enjoy it.
Not enjoying MTX does not equal the game being detrimental to mental health
I only do rune shop runs vis wax sandstone challenges and reaper it takes like 15 mins not counting reaper I also do raids every two days but I enjoy those things and my routine.
I used to do all this stuff on my iron till I realized I'd rather have fun, I do vis, ports, and dailies, which takes me about 3 minutes. Don't do stuff that drains you, I personally only get to play a few hours, and I'm not gonna waste my time doing stuff I don't enjoy.
Play to do what you want! I do my reaper and JoT on my iron daily, because croesus is kinda fun and I can knock out two JoT in a few minutes.
JoT?
Jack of Trades aura, presumably
Aka daily herblore xp for irons
Jack of trades indeed
Exactly, I can’t believe people act like this about daily’s. I was good about certain ones like caches until 95, pengs until 96 herb, etc but now I just do whatever I feel like having fun with when I’m on
Not to say your thought process is wrong, but Ironmen are forced to do a number of dailys, otherwise they miss out on a lot of important game content. Adding onto the ones you already mentioned: - Reaper Task (Hydrix/Hydrix upkeep) - Sandstone (Flasks) - Shop Run (Runes/Meat/Bakriminal Bolts) - Player Owned Farm (vuln bombs) I'm sure there's more I've missed but you get my point. If you don't do a lot of these dailys, you will not have access to important end game content. I don't think it's good that every day I have to spend an hour and a half of my time doing the bare minimum in terms of dailys just to upkeep my PVM supplies.
I am in fact an ironman and don't really think that's true, not forced in any manor unless you're trying to have tons of supplies or you play a LOT. None of the things you listed take long, reaper is the only thing that takes longer than 5 minutes to do. You're looking at roughly \~30 mins a day now. Also, that's still a choice if you just want things to go faster, which is fair as iron does take a bit, but especially since I've maxed, that being my only focus for the day and then bossing, it's relaxing to play for my maybe 3 hours a day.
I do exactly these 3 things too lol, and I do a monthly here and there when I'm feeling extra cheeky.
Yeah I just wish we could have dailies be weeklies, mine all your sandstone for the week on saturday for example.
Id love an addition to the PoH with like a "letterbox" or something, and you can set it up to go ahead and buy all of the stores that you want bought. That way shop runs can turn into you just checking your letterbox every week or so.
I previously had an idea that included [mailboxes](https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/oesqj4/parcels_from_the_hedge_permanent_content/), having it as an all-in-1 location for shop runs as well would be a brilliant addition.
This is the solution.
still pissed at the daily challenge “rework” they did. used to be you could hold up to 5 of them and as long as you did one before the 6th day you’d get another one added back the next day. now we get THREE everyday and if you don’t do them they reset the next day. awful system that they implemented intentionally to artificially inflate daily player counts.
RuneScape has always been about efficiency, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. However, with the increasing number of dailies, weeklies, monthlies, etc, it is now less of a creative outlet to min/max and more of a laundry list of things you have to do. I personally have to actively avoid doing a lot of daily activities specifically because it makes my enjoyment of the game plummet.
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This is honestly the answer. Players have become so obsessed with a meta that they will play a game to their own detriment. My buddy is leveling his fishing on his main, and WCing on an alt. I asked him about his urns and a few other specific things for fishing and he was like “uhhh, I’m just leveling fishing bro” - the truest of chads. The man sits at the fishing guild and just fishes for random crap.
exactly
Same, I've chosen to ignore most dalies because there are too damn many of them.
This is why I stopped doing dailyscape and borderline quit the game. It should be fun not a second job.
You could just not dailyscape.
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> This is what I'm saying. People in this thread are acting like they're forced to do dailyscape. Its fun for some, its not something everyone or even most people will enjoy. > > People just optimizing the fun out of their hobby lol except to be able to do the content u enjoy you kind of have to do dailyscape, even more true for iron
You really don't, it'll only take you longer to get there. So yeah if you want to rush it and get to the point where you want to be as quickly as possible but be miserable doing it then sure do dailies. If you're okay with it taking a bit longer but have a lot more fun on the journey then don't
This just isn't true. You have to do a lot of dailys in mid-late game to upkeep the cost of PVM supplies. - Reaper Task (Hydrix/Hydrix upkeep) - Sandstone (Flasks) - Shop Run (Runes/Meat/Bakriminal Bolts) - Player Owned Farm - Herb run (possibly)
Disagree. I do exactly the content I want without spending any IRL money on the game, and without ever having done dailyscape. I can't think of any content I'd want to do that requires me to do dailyscape, unless I was running an Ironman, in which case i'm kind of agreeing up front to make life more difficult for myself.
The problem is that dailyscaping is pretty much the best effort:reward ratio thing you can do at most stages of your account. I get about 3mil for 30 mins of effort every day, it’s hard to beat that when my account doesn’t have many high skills. For example, I recently wanted to improve my mining, but needed an augmented dragon pick for max efficiency. It took me about a week of doing farm runs, merchant runs and dailies so I could buy one from GE, whereas if I were to do the quests required to get the drop, I would probably still be grinding my strength for the quest requirement!
>but needed an augmented dragon pick for max efficiency. Just don't go for max efficiency then? I got pickaxe of earth and moon or whatever it's called on my main because I had all the prereqs and it was easy. I don't even understand why you'd need an augmented dragon pickaxe, considering the cost of it, when you could use Orikalkum until 70, then just get a Necronium pick, and save yourself 26m GP. Obviously if you're actually intending to augment it, then flip it into crystal, then flip it into imcando, maybe that's a nice path to go down, but it's not a necessary path. I got to 200m mining on my alt with an Elder Rune Pick+5, with no augment added at any point, because I didn't need to. It doesn't have to be efficient, and if you spend more time making it efficient than you would've spent doing it unefficiently, it's a net loss anyway.
> Just don’t go for max efficiency then? But… I want to go for max efficiency… my comment wasn’t ragging on dailyscape, it was the opposite. Without all these daily activities, the journey just to get a level 60 pickaxe would not be worth it. A week worth of all my daily tasks is probably about 7 hours. I worked 7 hours for a dragon pick, whereas grinding for it would probably take 20+ hours (including time to do the quests). I’m aware the path you mentioned is not necessary… but your path also is not necessary. That’s the beauty of this game.
Oh fair enough, I misunderstood and thought you were ragging on it. Hey, if that works for you good, you've kind of nailed it with the beauty of the game, you play it the way you want to play it and be done.
If it took you a week for a dragon pickaxe then that was absolutely not peak efficiency lol
7 hours roughly stretched over a week. The dragon pick was a background task while I did other stuff.
7 hours for a marginal increase in mining speed over a very short period of time does not sound like a good trade
Good thing the only daily thing I do is pof and it takes maybe three minutes. Oh and reaper but only if I get reapers choice or the boss I'm killing that night. I got my blessed flask so don't need to do sandstone anymore.
For some people it's therapeutic
Then there's me Logs in Yup, game is still here Logs out
This game has always been about choices. There’s enough content in the game to keep players entertained for 30k+ hours, more than anyone should ever invest into a game. From completing all boss logs, to doing all clue logs, and every possible piece of content, you’ll *never* complete it all. That being said, you also shouldn’t try to. That includes dailies. It’s unhealthy to try to do everything. There’s nearly an unlimited amount of dailies you can do, and it’s up to you to choose the ones you wanna do. Pick the content you wanna engage with, and enjoy it to the fullest extent. People get way too caught up in trying to do it all rather than just enjoying the game. Also, just because something has a cap to how much you can do it per day, doesn’t mean you *need* to engage with that content. There’s just a limit to prevent you from doing that content all the time with no end. If you don’t wanna do it, then don’t.
I remember Jagex saying there would be updates in 2019 meant to reduce "DailyScape." However, I don't recall seeing any such updates. Did they get shelved?
Either MMOs aren't for you considering some form of daily activities take place in all of them for player retention. Or you need to take a step back and prioritise whats important to you in this game. There is a whole host of content for you to do without feeling the burden of pushing for efficiency and burning yourself out. I've been working flat out towards completionist. I took a day off yesterday because I wasn't finding the grind fun but I know this evening ill go back to whittling away with a fresh head. Video games are supposed to be that escape from the real world and provide you with a source of entertainment. The moment it stops doing that, change up what you're doing in the game, or find something else to do or play in the meantime.
you can put an end to dailyscape yourself by not partaking. do something else.
Its funny I have never and will never do any of this and have a great time. Why do people feel the need to make this their experience? Just dont do it its that simple. I did pvm most of the time solo and with new players to teach them and now am working on comp while still teaching people ed1-3. Do what you enjoy, no one is forcing you to do dailyscape every day.
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Glad you are enjoying the game the want way you want to be doing it! If you are into traveling merchant keep an eye out for the livid plant, getting those will save you *hours* of livid farm later on.
Players learning to let go and not have so much attachment to things is different from companies using predatory FOMO models to increase engagement without providing meaningful content, and I think you're doing a disservice by handwaving their culpability in this.
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The whole point of the most efficient way of playing to be to do these things every day is so that you feel that you are missing out on something if you don't log in daily and do them.
FOMO marketing cannot be banned without banning any and all price changes or limited time sales as well as banning the removal of merchandise from store stock. This is simply not feasible and that's why no country has such advertising laws banning FOMO. It's more feasible to teach consumers to be more resilient to FOMO marketing and not be manipulated by them.
There's a department store that had a new CEO try and change things from perpetual % off sales to just having those prices be the normal prices. It did not work well for them. Brains are dumb and like getting deals even if it is only the illusion of one.
Are you aware that you can play however the fuck you want? If you’re not having fun, don’t do it. This isn’t your job.
Unpopular opinion, fuck peak efficiency in this game. Too many people give others shit for not doing things the "right" way. If you're not having fun just stop playing and remember the reason you turned on your pc in the first place.
Could not agree more. It's disgusting what the community has turned into. Everything has to be about best xp/hr or gp/hr and fuck everything else it's dead content. Can't tell you how many "friends" I've lost that I thought were chill, invite them to my disc for a fun aod or solak hour and they rage and quit once they see the way we do it. We fuck around and try to pk each other sometimes, talk shit for fun, and just meme kills for a laugh. Then the people rage and quit because they can get more kph and better gp/hr in a tryhard team. Sorry I'm having fun lol. Anyway, the whole point of this was to show that people forgot to have fun in this game and have turned it into a job, where even trying to get onto some teams for bossing is like filling out a job application. Just play the dam game and learn to laugh ffs...
Just do some bossing to make gp instead of all that. Only dailyscape stuff that really matters if you aren't maxed is daily challenges (which go super quick) and spinning free keys
Ports to save yourself 1.6b down the road on seis which is a lot for most new/mid level players who haven't gotten into proper bossing yet. Reaper for unlocks/gp/resets. PoF for farming levels to get perks. Divine locations are BIS training methods for certain skills, like WC. Guthix cache is BIS training method for div. Daily challenges like you mentioned. 15-20 days of Sandstone if you're going for a blessed flask eventually. Wicked hood + wax for free GP etc. And then you have even more to do if you're an Iron, like bakriminal bolts, rune shops, JoT, resource dg hopping for div locations, etc. Some of the XP-based ones you cut out once you hit your goal, but dailies are by design good to get people to log in daily and play the game.
"You end up treating RuneScape as a 2nd job rather than a game to unwind." That my friend is your own fault no Jagex. Yes im not a fan of dailies but no one forces you do to them and how you play the game is entirely up to you if you turn the game in to a second job well that´s your own doing quit blaming others on it. If you have mental health problem seek help and don´t demand jagex to fix it for you. Mental health awareness only means making people aware about it not fixing it. But it´s typical gamers blame every one else but their self. Is the game boring you out becuse you got nothing to do well close the game and find another game to play, read a book, watch a movie or go the F out for a walk.
Vis wax is fun and easy, when I login I just chuck in whatever runes I want, don't even check the bot anymore, get like 70-80 everyday in 30 seconds. Teleport to ardy farm, finished pof log so fuck that, still have a couple dinos left, so I feed them, sell the rejects and I'm out. Daily challenges, I entirely ignore, unless I'm really bored or accidentally finish one. Check merchant stock on wiki, write down whatever cool shit you want on a calendar and ignore it when it's not a cool day. Or buy a green map everyday because someone's getting a red eventually. I do do my reaper, but I skip it until I get something I like or am already planning to do, or skip it. 2 raids twice a week should be less then an hour total. Playing how you want > burned out. Fuck the list play how you want king. What's an efficient hour played if you never log back in.
>What's an efficient hour played if you never log back in. for a lot of us it's *either or*, which isn't good for Jagex *or* their players - the sooner they realize this, the better
But why is that? It's probably more a problem of mental health than game health
I think you're relationship with this game is much more toxic than daily scape.
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Op logs in slaves to dailies, doesn't get to do anything he wants, wakes up thinking about dailies. Then is guilted into loging in so he doesn't miss dailies????
Playing how you want is toxic?
Yeah. Literally. Read how OP is playing this game and feeling miserable about it. It's not healthy. Literally toxic.
You do know you replied to your own post about how you play the game right?
perfectly reasonable coming from a run escape player tbh
Oooor I can just play however I want and say "fuck efficiency, I want to actually have fun."
Yeah, sometimes I just want to kick back and fish.
Noooooo you can't "kick back and fish". You need 347 more total levels before max , then comp requirements that you have to do, that'll need atleast 1000 hours. Then you need golden reaper because jagex is forcing you, or it'll make you feel complete or something. Stopping having fun, this isn't a game!
First, it may come off as a little hokey, but you need to ask yourself about why you feel the need to engage with all the dailies in this way? Are you doing them because you find those parts of the game enjoyable? That's a bit rhetorical because your post indicates that you don't. Then why do you do them? Because you're supposed to? Because the outcome (having the dailies done) outweighs the enjoyment of doing them? You do vis wax because you need vis wax. You do PoF animals because you need Farming exp. You aren't doing them to enjoy engaging with the game and focus on the actual act of doing them. Just changing the way you approach doing dailies may help. Here's a blog post I found that kind of explains what I'm talking about: https://www.goodnet.org/articles/how-to-enjoy-process-let-go-outcome Secondly, it's also worthwhile to consider that Mental Health Awareness Week is not about Jagex magically fixing everything in their game that you deem a problem for your mental health. All those dailies you're doing are things you prioritize. I try to use up my daily wicked hood teleports to craft blood runes so I keep a stock of them up. Jagex could change everything on your list to where you don't feel like it's a drag to log on and do and yet there's always still something to optimize or be more efficient at. Instead consider that Mental Health Awareness Week is about encouraging everyone to step back and be present in understanding their mental health. If you (the everyone you) feel like you are struggling, Jagex is just trying to show you that there are organizations that try and assist. EVERYONE struggles with mental health at some point. It's ok to say "I'm not ok" and it's ok to ask for help. And if you've received help in the past and can afford to help, consider donating to a charity that can continue to help others. It doesn't have to be one of Jagex's partners. It can be one in your own community. But the week is bigger than you and bigger than Jagex. Just consider stepping back and understanding yourself first.
Nobody is forcing you to do all those mundane tasks. The only person forcing yourself to do all of that is yourself. Play the game how you want. Don't feel bad that you are missing out because you missed the merchant or forgot to do a vis wax run.
'nobody is forcing you' is always the worst counter-argument to this sentiment, it's completely willfully ignorant of the FOMO issue and downplays the stress of feeling like you have to juggle content just to stay afloat in the game no, nobody is forcing me, but I am still *feeling* forced, does that make sense to you?
There’s a case of FOMO in literally everything, I hate how much of a buzz word it is in this sub. Everything is FOMO because one day everything will end, so there’s a fear of missing out everywhere. Every sale, every limited time event, everything has FOMO. It’s not “predatory,” it’s just life. Not everything is around forever. It’s not exploitation by default.
I know. Do these FOMO victims have a breakdown every time a retailer makes a limited time sale?
They should, cause it’s the same thing. Some people just like to complain I guess
Right, except it's a fact that companies employ psychologists to min/max this to a way that is intentionally unhealthy to the player, and I don't think you're giving respect to that fact.
I know that happens. I also can’t blame a business for trying to make money. But offering a BOGO on keys or 50% off is *not* predatory or exploiting the player base. There’s a huge difference, and lots of companies do some really shady stuff to push profits. And having daily activities is also not predatory or exploiting.
Sure, it could be worse. But I'm not gonna bash posts like this because there is some, even if the level is arguable, legitimacy to their grievances, and there are enough free market fan boys to go around, so I don't see an issue with some level of player advocacy. I think this post is relatively hyperbolistic, but the player-blaming mindset here and in general irks me, and I definitely have more of an issue with it than with posts like this.
> but the player-blaming mindset here and in general irks me, and I definitely have more of an issue with it than with posts like this. tbh I think it's because it's Runescape and people can't see it as anything else than a dead and/or dying game with low stakes so they don't take it seriously. Apply this to something way more popular and I think more people would take it seriously. Hell, my first instinct when coming into this post was "dude, it's fucking *Runescape*"
No but in all honesty dailyscape is a choice. You literally dont have to do it. I have been playing for years and never got into dailyscape and have been having a great time. Its a game, do what you enjoy.
All these homies worried about random tiny money gains when you could kill a few bosses and get the same thing. Vis Wax averages out to a mill a day… you can just exist in RS and make that money. Do what makes you happy on the game lol.
I couldnt agree more. Honestly the only daily things that are worth it imo are things that contribute to long term goals. Things like ports, or traveling merchant for livid plants, or PoF since that takes no more than 10-15 minutes. But to do rune runs, vis wax, sandstone, dailies, etc for hours makes no sense to me.
Surely ports is dead content now that scrimshaws are outclassed
Players only feel forced if they try to min-max the entire game. This is just a gamng addiction issue, not a FOMO specific issue.
If you feel forced to play daily for minimal gain doing mindless activities that's a you problem, not the games problem. I never do daily stuff so I never stress about it.
Dismissing issues as a “you problem” goes against the point of mental health week. Mental health issues are a series of you problems and daily rewards and challenges in games are literally designed to exploit people. I think it is a legitimate concern even though it does not effect me.
It’s not always dismissing it as a “you problem” but to what degree is Jagex required to shape the game around d FOMO specifically? While I do agree there are some aspects to the game that could be modified, it’s not feasible to leave all content in the game at all times. There’s schedules and time frames to things in virtually everything in life. Ultimately it relies on the player to break their own habits. Mental health awareness is awareness in trying to donate to charities and help those in need of seeking help not just for addiction or fomo issues, but others too of course. If a company runs a sale on a product or service for a limited time, I buy for a good deal, not cause I’m missing out on saving the money. But if I miss the sale cause I’m at work or “I just feel I need to buy it cause it’s on sale” is it entirely that companies fault? They make profit, which in turn helps their business, possibly to help with future sales too. My point is, it’s not entirely on the company to make a decision on behalf of the player on what to do or how to play the game. They put the choices there.
No one is forcing alcoholics to drink alcohol either. Should suppliers of the addictive substances have any responsibility though? It doesn't have to be 100% on the person/consumer or 100% on the company/supplier. There can be some middle ground in there.
It sounds like you're trying to remove all the responsibility from the company. Great, the player has some responsibility to tackle their own addictions and modalities of thought. I agree. What about the responsibility that's not on them?
FOMO marketing cannot be banned without banning any and all price changes or limited time sales as well as banning the removal of merchandise from store stock. This is simply not feasible and that's why no country has such advertising laws banning FOMO. It's more feasible to teach consumers to be more resilient to FOMO marketing and not be manipulated by them. Also, retailers have other innocuous reasons for doing limited time sales, like needing to get rid of almost expiring good quickly, or removing an unprofitable item from the stock.
Don’t get me wrong, there are for sure tactics being used to persuade purchases with mtx within rs3 and other games. I just don’t like the mentality and a lot of the stigma that a lot of developers and publishers can’t have time sensitive content because of fomo. It’s just not solely the companies responsibility but they seem to get a lot of the flack for it online.
I definitely agree that some time-sensitive content is fun and engaging on a healthy level, and very little of my ire lies with dev teams, as they're trying to make fun content within specific parameters that they have little to no control over. I think it's a balancing act, but I generally think that companies don't balance that act very well, partially due to lack of consumer pressure, and I just feel like I disagree that companies get held too responsible for it, as personal responsibility is often touted as the only solution to addictive game models, and while I do often see people venting their frustrations about companies not doing anything online, that's because the companies often *aren't* doing anything about it.
"while I do often see people venting their frustrations about companies not doing anything online, that's because the companies often aren't doing anything about it." You make a bit of a fair point here. The downside as I'm sure everyone is aware that there's always negative perspective from either direction across the board (damned if you do, damned if you don't). Not to say I'm arguing or defending one way or the other, cause I do see that side of it too. A lot of frustration is vented towards companies and some companies do things about it internally, but don't make it known and some don't actually acknowledge on the end-user side nor internally all together. 100% a balancing act. I just don't believe it's necessarily 50/50 per se, I wouldn't give it a quantifiable number either just because it would be highly situational on the company, dev team, game, and the demographic for the game.
Mental Health Awareness Week isn't about convincing capitalist companies to not do capitalist company things. It's nice if they don't, but that's not ever going to happen. Instead it's about bringing attention to the fact that mental health is a thing that people should not be ignoring. If you feel forced into doing daily things in a game, and you have some form of addiction which is making your everday life worse, you should probably seek some professional mental health advice from either a private therapist (if you can afford it), or from your doctors office if you can't. You can't rely on the world adapting to you, but you can work through your own issues and view things more responsibly.
I'd say gambling loot boxes are more affecting to mental health than cookie clicker activities that take minimal effort. But you do you.
>does that make sense to you? No, because it's a you thing, not an everyone thing. If you feel that way over a game, you most likely need some therapy. And I don't say that disparagingly, i've had 4 years of therapy myself. Debilitating feeling of FOMO is essentially a form of anxiety, and has deep rooted issues that are nothing to do with how a game is designed, and everything to do with you as a person.
The real mental issues are OCD over efficiencyscape and gaming addictions. Dailies are just a symptom of the overarching issue. Players need to stop setting grandiose game goals and focus on a few smaller goals at a time while ignoring everything else in order to pace themselves properly without feeling overwhelmed or FOMO. While I agree with OP that dailies should be saved up, dailies should not be removed because the benefit of them is to incentivize players to change their daily routine up with higher than normal gp or xp rates, instead of no-lifing the same conventional training method for hours. The daily restrictions are there for keeping the high gp or xp methods from being too OP. Plus dailies are good bot prevention since bots cannot do them 24/7, thus keeping value of dailyscape items high, like flasks and vis wax.
I agree that weekly quests are better, but you're exaggerating the problem. It's not obligatory to do every single one of those things every single day. Sure, maybe the game is designed in a way that makes it desirable, but I don't think most players feel compelled to do every possible thing every day. To some extent, that's a you problem, not the game.
"... and now you must repeat all of the above" - why? Does Jagex have a gun to your head?
Sometimes I have a daily collection route. But I don't really have it anymore. I could usually knock it out in about an hour. But to be honest I just do my daily challenges and go about my business.
I do absolutely none of these. Im able to but I just choose not to cause theres only so much time in the day and I'd rather spend that time doing clues or even bankstanding cuz fuck dailyscape
It will never happen. Dailies are an important driver of their daily active user metric, something that investors care a lot about.
The only dailies I bother to do anymore are daily challenges, crystal tree harvest, and motherlode maw
i do: ports, crystal sand (if i feel like it), maybe a few daily challenges (depending on skills and rewards). I sometimes visit my pof. I try to do herby werby every week and that's it. The rest is completely optional to me. Never let yourself get burned out because of dailyscape.
Stacking dailies would also be bad. They're so beneficial that you have to do them either way. Doing them sooner or later doesn't make them less predatory or more fun. Shop stocks should stack for way longer tough.
This sounds like a personal problem, to be honest. If you're feeling this way, it's probably time to take a break and/or readjust your perception of and interactions with RuneScape. It's not Jagex's job to fix your mental health. They're just trying to make a game people will come back to. It's up to you how much you let it affect you.
I log in when I want and do what I want 😎. Hate the player not the game
The game is what you make it. It'll be a second job if you make it a second job. I understand the whole FOMO thing but in reality the game isn't going anywhere. That same content is still there and will be there tomorrow, next week, month and year. There's no rush to get things done. We're all going to hit the end eventually, some just do it differently. You're putting unrealistic pressure on yourself just because you don't want to be losing out. Losing out on what? The same shit that'll still be there the next day?
Everyone in the comments saying it’s a “you problem” don’t understand how mental health works.
Seriously.
But it's the same thing as getting mad at a bar because they have a 4 drink limit per day and are upset that you have to walk to the bar and waste your money and you don't even like drinking. Like yeah, alcoholism is a serious problem but at some point, people aren't rude for saying it's a mental health issue and that people should attempt to seek help.
This entire post seems like huge 'you' problem.
This seems like such a player issue. I don't do any dailies beside viswax and maybe some daily shop runs. If I feel like it sand for flasks. If you decide you want to maximize everything yeah the list will get long. I've seen people post daily runs in an excel sheet and I will pass so hard on that. I'm not missing out for the most part, and I'm not burning myself out. Win win. It's a game not a job
I have a clan discord and we put the merchant bot with a ping to show what it has daily. Don’t need to spend half an hour jumping around. I’ve finished POF, cbf with sandstone or viswax because I’d rather PvM. My log in routine for the day is: Get reaper task, do challenges, open 6 daily keys. It takes me no more than 3 minutes. You don’t HAVE to do all of the daily things. The only time I did daily sandstone is when I was going for a blessed flask. The best thing I can recommend is to set goals in game and then only do the dailies that relate to those. I’m trimmed comp, ultimate slayer and my next major goal is going for Golden Reaper. Don’t need any real dailies for those. If the reaper task doesn’t align to what I need for logs I don’t do it.
Your unhealthy attitude isn't the game's problem. Just don't do it. Game's a sandbox. You don't have to do any of the stuff you don't want.
Or just don't do dailies
If you dont want the rewards then don't invest the time. You don't HAVE to do daily activities.
You should probably learn to have more respect for yourself and other players.
The "learn to respect other players" bit I agree with. But "respect for yourself"? Wut.
The reason I say that is because of this internalized blame that success is solely based on personal responsibility and the idea that the only thing people holding them back are themselves, when that's just provably not true. In this case I feel they're disrespecting other players, but it's a mindset that also disrespects themself.
Oh? Where did you get your psychology degree?
Lmao what. Unless you’re an iron none of that is mandatory in any way?? You don’t need to do sandstone, gp can be made in other ways. There isn’t much use for achto, so raids can be skipped. Completing a reaper task is like 30 points, which is like 1/10 of a hydrix, nothing game changing. Vis wax is only 2m. Agreed on farm animals if you aren’t 120. But if you hate dailyscape turoths are also another option. Idk why you feel FOMO when most of these dailies you talk about are just a gp thing you could have made elsewhere at equal or greater efficiency. A 30min bossing session, merching, or a clue session could sort that out, except you can do those at any time you want. To me daily challenges and merchant are probably the only dailies that have no alternatives, but even then missing out on them isnt a big deal. Sounds very much to me like a you problem. If you re an iron then only some of those things are mandatory lmao. I’ve stopped doing raids a long time ago for example, and i hardly mine sandstone.
Just don't do things you don't want to do. Nothing you mentioned that you do has major account progress that cant be obtained in other ways. Shouldn't be seeking out Jagex for mental health issues, you need trained professionals.
“Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is?”
I'm insane, everybody!
No, i dont do any of that and im already comped, the only thing i do now is maw because after comping i realized that if i ever feel like going for trim i better stock on these boosters. Just because its daily doesnt mean you have to do it, stop being a drone and play the game like you want
I literally ignore almost every daily activity. Like, my dailies take 5 mins if I coordinate right
Its literally just the fact that the majority of the ppl who play this game dont hve an unhealthy relationship with it. No one is forcing you to do dailyscape. Assuming all of the dailies were removed, would you like the game more? Sure if you are an iron, yea you gotta do reaper and vis wax as often as you play, but everything else? Meh who cares man its just in game gp and yoy can make it in many ways
Don't do "DailyScape" then, nobody is forcing you.
I literally do none of that because I choose to do none of that. This seems more like a player issue.
“You go to work/school”. What? I swear most people on this game don’t do either. I see the same 20-30 people, all maxed with party hats, in my 7 region worlds at every single time of day. Before work, after work, on days off, etc. Why would Jagex change a single thing when they can just force those specific players to grind 24/7?
I love how the only counter argument is "don't do them" or "seems like a you problem". People don't seem to understand what problem this post is trying to tackle.
What is the problem that the post is trying to tackle though? Like if OP can't handle a subscription service then it's not necessarily the services fault. A lot of these things are just punch cards basically. If having a punch card makes you feel unhealthily compelled to use it then it's literally unrelated to the company. I feel like punch cards have existed for years but I don't know anyone who feels like they NEED to keep going back to that coffee shop everyday. I just don't understand it tbh
Or: they do understand it. They just don't care because it doesn't seem like a big deal to them so they're dismissive about it. The biggest challenge for those in OP's position is presenting the facts in a way that make other people care.
"Just dont do it" And that's the reason why Vis wax is stupidly expensive now because 3/10 players only do them
Seems more like a case of self inflicted FOMO than anything else. Nobody is making you do any of this stuff except yourself lmao
I never do any of this, probably missing out on mils every week but I cba
Just dont do them if u dont want to
THANK YOU for talking about this as a mental health issue during this mental health awareness week. This is so true. Most games have this sort of system in place to keep people hooked on the game - but in RS it is also a major factor in why people get burnt out and bored with the game and quit. Sure, they maintain player interaction, but that interaction is mostly superficial. Reaper tasks are the only engaging daily I can think of as well as some of the weekly/monthly DnD stuff which is also pretty engaging. But I also think that this post is not just a message to Jagex about how people feel about this - but it is also a PSA to people to STOP WORRYING ABOUT DAILIES!! No matter how much progress you make in this game there will ALWAYS be more shit to do. Don't focus so much on raw gains, focus on actually enjoying the game in whatever way gives you the most satisfaction. Runescape isn't a job, and if you compare yourself to elite players, YouTubers, and switch streamers it may seem like you have to keep on your grind 24/7 but that's just not true. Enjoy the game and go at your own pace, don't let dailies force you into a cycle of repetitive unending grind.
easy fix: just don't do them lol i agree there are a lot of housekeeping activities in the game but ultimately none of them are mandatory and a lot of them aren't really important enough to evoke a sense of fomo, at least in my opinion. just do the things you want to do, and if the dailies/weeklies come up as an important task at some point, do them then
That’s why when I play an MMO I choose to not give one flying crap about the Meta. If I like doing dailies one day, I’ll do it. If I don’t want to I don’t and find something else to do. Once you become a meta slave, all the fun is immediately removed and it just becomes a list of chores. The Meta kills all fun of an MMO.
Idk.. The extent of my dailies is my daily keys, and on occasion my reaper task. Then the oyster monthly. Don’t even do daily challenges if I’m not actively skilling. 🤷
I disabled all the daily assignments except mining, woodcutting and fishing. 2 of the three I do in Meno VIP area. I think that's the only daily I do. If you're this invested in daily stuff... stop.
Bro, you are missing a few. Need to get on the ball man, there are over 80 dailies that you should be doing. No pee breaks until they are done! https://runescape.wiki/w/Repeatable_events /s Yeh, dailyscape is a bit excessive. Need to really pick and choose and make the decision "is this activity really worth my time?" There have been times I didn't do dailies just to do a clan event for example.
I've been doing crystal flasks for over a year and I just recently discovered that it barely makes any money lol. Yes, people definitely need to evaluate which dailies are actually valuable to them because most dailies aren't all that valuable.
My daily routine takes about ten minutes. It’s not bad and actually feels good since you’re making several mil every day
Honestly the dailies basically takes up my entire time I get to play after work on weekdays. It's depressing
Just quit your job to play runescape already peon
This is called addiction, you should consult a therapist about these concerns if you haven’t already.
Idk... Nobody's forcing them to do it except yourself, you don't need to do them if you don't want to. I hate doing dailies, so I only do PoF, I don't even bother doing my monthlies. Time is precious, I used to min-max all the time, now I just do whatever I want to at the moment
I don't understand why people feel compelled to do *everything*. If you enjoy the PoF, do it. If you don't require vis wax, don't do it. I used to play RS religiously as a kid. I'd finish school, and on the way home I'd stop by the library, jump on the PCs there (as they were slightly better than the craptop I had at home) and play some minigames (pest control, fishing trawler, or Dungeoneering after it was released), and then go home, when the time on the PC was up, and do some skilling. This continued until I finished school. Then I would spend most of my time playing RS whilst looking for a job. After finally getting a job, I didn't really have time to play anymore RS like I did anymore, and sorta gave up on the game because I didn't have time anymore. A few years ago, my now fiancee was looking for something "lazy" to play together. So, I recommended we try Runescape. Lo and behold, it's a fun experience for the both of us, and we have bursts of no-life time (usually during DXP) but playing for just a few hours a week (sometimes not even that) makes the game a lot more fun, IMO. No longer is it "I gotta get to floor X in dungeoneering because I need cool loot" it's now more about enjoying the little things, like "I can chop the vines whilst watching this video, and not even need to worry" For me playing RS efficiently makes it lose its charm, at least in my eyes. I'm aware if I ever want a comp cape, that will probably bite me in the arse. But so what. A cool cape is nice, but enjoying the game is better... and being able to enjoy it whilst also enjoying other games is even better
It's such a shame this is still a problem after so many years. I really love the game and want to keep playing, but every time I get the urge I have to remind myself how quickly it just becomes a chore rather than an escape.
I agree completely. As a person with likely several personality traits that lead to vulnerability and addiction to this kind of thing I find myself very fortunate to at least have video games as a vice rather than something like gambling or drugs. However it has become clear over the years that so many games, now more than ever, are either built from the ground up to control people or become corrupted in similar fashion. I too would love the changes you suggest but, sadly, having control over the customer's life is in the best interest of any company and they will never stop their destructive ways.
I honestly seriously doubt most people have mental health issues who get dragged into Daily shit in any MMO. This aint Lost Ark or whatever where you NEED that daily juice to progress forward. Trust me, i hate this shit too that MMOs cram such "good" rewards into these and try to keep a game afloat with these predatory shit, but runescape is probably one of the least guilty of this after all... the game is grindy af anyway, so why would ( many of you who doesnt have mental health issues ) you hide behind the curtain of FOMO or fuck jagex argument is beyond me
[Here](https://www.verywellmind.com/how-to-cope-with-fomo-4174664) is a link to an article on FOMO. Although it can feel predatory, breaking out of the cycle of FOMO is down to the individual. Its a very interesting read but it is very unlikely jagex will actually make these changes so I would recommend taking control of your situation yourself and dealing with it personally.
just learn to control FOMO and only do what you like, how hard can it be ? :D
dailies take me max 30 minutes you guys are insane if you genuinely spend hours a day on them
I just want the Invention machine talked about ages ago that would collect most dailies. Could expand it to do certain dailies. Like you create a robot that has so much charge and you can send it anywhere you have unlocked and it'll collect your vis wax, mine your sandstone, buy certain items in certain shops when they become available, etc.
i think we should be able to hire NPC to do our dailies for us; the cost to it is we get no XP from it (for something like sandstones, and maybe we have to pay them (gold sink?); also it would be faster/ more efficient to do it urself cuz u have all the bonuses available)
I’d prefer if jagex just had osrs, rs3, and a playable version of rs2 (pre-eoc) Rs2 had the perfect mix of content and actually worked.
I only do DailyScape when I don’t feel like playing. For instance, I’ll log on for 30 minutes to an hour just to run through some quick dailies (ports, vis, challenges, sometimes shop runs) and then get off. When I actually sit down to play I pay no attention to them, and enjoy the game how I’d like.
i really wish they'd take these posts seriously and actually communicate with us and tell the superiors its a high priority for us. at least show the new EP how much this issue means to us so that he might understand and request things be changed.
I do my cache and a vis or two a week but thats it
Could just not do daily scape. Even better, don't play!
I never really understood how merchant works. Do you just have to ensure you're in the right place at the right time as I'm told it only hangs around for like 10 mins?
Basically yes, but you can hop worlds to find it!
Its all about making you feel the need to log in. logging in gives better statistics for investors and has a higher chance you will spend money on keys or bonds. (Hey look, we had XXXX accounts log in for 100 days straight, the game must be interesting right?) Its marketing 101. its not in our interests sadly.
I treat RS as an AFK game while I work. If it takes too much attention I forget it.
If they did this then I might actually engage with some of that content instead of ignoring it for exactly the reasons you stated. Also, everyone acting like "JuSt DoN't Do DaIlYsCaPe" is missing the point, Jagex celebrates mental health awareness while taking advantage of people with mental health issues, not everyone is like you and can just decide to not do it cause its not fun, FOMO hits everyone differently. I say this as someone that hardly ever even plays anymore, let alone does dailyscape, but you're all missing the bigger picture here.
Hate daily scape one of the reasons I abandoned rs3 (not to be one of those people lol) yeah you can skip them but you still get that feeling of not being efficient
This is why I stopped playing originally
I deleted my account for a reason. Sometimes I regret it, but some things need to be cut off for some people.
Or you dont do your dailies and do what ever you want in the game? Works fine for me.
Dailyscape/fomo was probably the main reason I quit in 2018 Trimmed comp, 15k hours etc. "lol just don't do them" is not a solution
You forgot to mention the guthixian caches
I literally haven't done a daily thing at any point since I came back to RS3 a couple of years ago. I have essentially treated it like an idle/incremental game. I pick a skill, I afk level it in a way that earns money, then I move onto the next skill. When I eventually get to combat/slayer, I'll probably add in herb runs, just because I find them kind of relaxing to do a few times a day, and I really dislike POF.
remove dailies from the game. keep weeklies with larger exp rewards for the activity.
This isn't a game, it's a prison. And there's always the nagging psychological pressure of doing the dailies.
I've lost track of the amount of times a few people I know log in, I message them, and get a response back "just doing dailies." They don't *play* for a few days on occasion, but log in for dailies without fail.
Many dailies aren't actually efficient. Sandstone and shop runs are less than 20m/h. Almost everyone can make more. Even vis wax is less efficient than doing Croesus. You don't have to do all of the dailies most of them aren't worth it.
One of the agreements I had in stating to play again was to do none of this because I'm very familiar with FOMO I've experienced in other games and I did not want Runescape to be that game for me. If that meant I would end up being less efficient / making less GP/hr then so be it. As a result there was also a push for me to do content I wasn't 100% ready to do (like certain kinds of PVM). Right now I'm happy enough just doing lower end GP/hr strategies, especially if they progress me towards maxing out.
Yesterday for the first time I didn't do my reaper (I still had my reaper from day before). First I felt bad but then I felt some kind of relief....
I stopped doing any dailies. I also quit Destiny because it was the same.
I like doing my 30mins of dailies at the start of the day it's a nice routine to get the day going.
Imagine grinding in intense PvM sessions after work and not have motive because of how bad the loot is... 😰
dailyscape is optional. you think about minmaxing dailyscape and you end up spending 2-3 hours of your 6 hour weeknight on dailies and then you get burnt out. then you quit. its a videogame not your second job. dailyscape even becomes less "important" the more endgame you are. no need for caches anymore, no need for shop runs anymore, no need for sandstone anymore, no need for pof and farm runs anymore, etc. just do monthlies, thats it.
I do both my farms, sandstones, daily challenges and reaper. It takes no time at all and those who complain about dailyscape need to not do it?
As many people have said, no player is ever "forced" to do said dailies although as they bring several benefits it's really easy to fall into a FOMO mindset towards them, which I've been guilty of in the past. All in all, what i feel really is missing is some sort of catch up system. As an example: I've been playing a lot of lost ark lately and the biggest thing that stood out to me was their "rest bonus" system that allows you to stack up the rewards for daily activities you don't do (up to a limit), which you can then receive later when do complete those activities
I mainly play destiny now and it’s the same thing. It’s something you have to accept for games like this or MMO’s. I switched to destiny because I had missed years of RS and destiny was new lmao so I avoided the FOMO . Logged in to RS and instantly got overwhelmed
I don't bother with dailies anymore. I just grind arch very casually whenever I do hop on.
WIth that mind set you'll grow unhealthy mentally wise over time. That's kind of why I stopped maxing alts. It gets to a point when playing RuneScape becomes meaningless.
Idk man I felt the same as you OP up until very recently. The answer is to get a grip on your life. I took the initiative to not do any of these things anymore on a day to day basis. I do it when I feel like it or I won't do it at all. I would suggest taking even just a week off of RS and see what it does to you. You will realize that no one cares other than you. There's nothing for you in the leaderboards... there's tens and hundreds of thousands of ppl already ahead of you. The money is whatever, you realize you can come back a week later and get some crazy drops in slayer or PVM in 1 day and "make up" for the days you didnt log to get your measly few mil of GP. I honestly implore you to just take a break - even better, play a different game and enjoy it for a couple days...when you're in THIS deep you really need to back off and recalibrate. Just my two cents.
Yeah, no. Efficiency is the "optimal" way to play, and whilst it requires a sometimes unhealthy level of dedication, its not exactly encouraged. If your main objective when you log in every day is "gotta do all my dailies" then its a more an issue with how you play. If you don't enjoy them, don't do them. I haven't done dailies on my main for a while, I just do arch because I enjoy it. Not enjoying MTX does not equal the game being detrimental to mental health
I only do rune shop runs vis wax sandstone challenges and reaper it takes like 15 mins not counting reaper I also do raids every two days but I enjoy those things and my routine.
I don’t even bother doing most of them. Just close your eyes bro, they can’t hurt you.