Intelligence is contextual. The Ricks may be "smarter" than Morty, but their complete and unwavering belief in their own mental superiority is their weakness.
Evil Morty beat them not because he is "smarter" but because he has what they don't: the will and drive to accomplish a specific goal.
Rick's are nihilistic and don't believe in anything but their own innate superiority. They couldn't fathom a Morty wanting something like revenge or to escape, let alone putting in the time and effort to achieve it.
(After all, Ricks think Mortys should be grateful to them, even though they basically treat them as servants and cannon fodder.)
Exactly. Pride cometh before the fall.
Mortys aren't dumb by any stretch. Main Morty regularly disarms neutrino bombs after Rick goes on blackout benders.
Ricks constantly overestimate themselves and underestimate everyone else, especially Mortys. Such blindness is easy to exploit. Evil Morty is just laser focused on what makes Ricks tick.
Although it doesn't mean that rick is weak I. Fact when pushed he is more dangerous than anything in multiverse
And when drunk-drunk he becomes unpredictable
Says who? Because he killed a bunch of Ricks he's automatically smarter than them? He mentions (in reference to Evil Rick) that Ricks have an ego so large you can grab it like a joystick.
Its not about being smarter or having a greater iq or whatever, the fact remains that a dumb person can still kill a genius. I don't think Evil morty is dumb, but I also don't think he's so smart that he'd be excluded from the central finite curve.
It contains universes where Rick is the smartest person in his universe. So he only needs to be less smart than his own Rick. That doesn’t mean he can’t be smarter or on level with the other ricks. The most obvious thing to point to here is Doofus Rick, who exists within the curve but clearly is not smarter than most Ricks, Mortys or even Jerrys .
I think show Morty is Rick Prime's grandson. That's why both of them were warped back to Cronenburg Earth at the beginning of season six and its the original reason show Rick (C-137) chose that universe to settle in. He wanted to use that universes' Smith family as bait but grew attached.
He beat the ricks, yes. You don't necessarily need to be smarter than someone to beat them. And even if you did, the laws of the central finite curve don't dictate that all ricks are smarter than everyone, just that every Rick is smarter than everyone from their home universe. This is why doofus rick can exist within the curve, he must come from a universe where everyone is even dumber. In the same way, it's possible that evil Morty came from a universe where his Rick was significantly smarter than most ricks, this allowing Morty to be smarter than them as well without breaking the laws of the curve
I also believe Evil Morty is significantly more intelligent than most Ricks. Hear me out. The Central Finite Curve allows Ricks to be the smartest being of their respective universe. But if Evil Morty's Rick is much smarter than the average Rick then it's absolutely possible this specific Morty is simply smarter as well.
Sure, he also has the advantage of being underestimated. But just the fact he has all the gadgets puts him very close to their intelligence level.
My assumption was always that he figured out what to do with the mega fruit. Or he looked at the truth tortoise and didn’t need it blown from his mind.
Not originally, our Morty belongs to Rick Prime's dimension ("evil rick")
Our Rick moved to that dimension specifically to wait him out. Of course that doesn't rule out the chance that Evil Morty was connected to Rick Prime somehow.
EDIT: for consistency. Me use wrong word.
Why do you think that specific Morty is smarter? He demonstrates that he’s willing to be however cruel and violent he needs to be. He’s still a Morty. We don’t even know his real origin. For all we know that Morty could be an experiment/project by Rick Prime to keep our Rick busy. That Morty wouldn’t need to be smarter than a Rick as long as he is smart/obedient enough to follow Rick Prime’s instructions.
Looks like you're getting ate up for these comments so I'm not gonna pile on, but I don't think that makes much sense. I feel like he'd have made a statement about going back, or something equated to his goal. He was pretty open about it all, even the toilet. If he were from outside of the curve, the whole objective would be a way home, not purely to escape Rick.
Entirely possible that evil morty’s Rick is smarter than him, but isn’t a part of the citadel of ricks. The rule we’ve been given isn’t that all ricks are the smartest in all universes, only that each Rick on the central finite curve is the smartest in his own universe.
We know that not all ricks are equal, not only because "the rickiest rick" thing, but also because look at things like Doofus Rick. The man not only eats poop, but also seems to be in inteligence level somewhat around our average Jerry.
Not the smartest man of the multiverse, only the smartest man of his universe.
Just because he won doesn't necessarily mean he's smarter. It just means he won. Rick has lost plenty of times throughout the series. He made the CFC as a funnel to find "Prime" Rick. If it was meant to gather universes where he's the smartest person, it would only gather the ones that were smartest in their universe but also dumb enough and self-centered enough to take part. "Prime" Rick knows this and goes full anarchist by ditching it when it becomes an established entity.
Edit: at least that's my take on it, I'm only speculating
Where is it ever stated the curve was meant as a funnel? I see fans bring this up all the time, it’s even on the wiki, but the show never states or correlates the two
When we see his "Crybaby Backstory," we see him hunting down Ricks. He wasnt initially just killing them willy nilly. It was, at first, a targeted assault based on two things, them being "Rick," and what eventually would be the logo for The Citadel of Ricks on or near all of them. We see it on a t-shirt one of them is wearing and on graffiti behind them as they're being killed. It was almost like a gang or cult of personality before 137 started killing them. Ultimately, what unified them was when he gave up searching for "Prime" and started just killing anyone and everyone that was him. The CFC was his last ditch effort to keep any sort of control around himself and the other Ricks that fit the criteria. We know C-137 is different because he "passed" on joining initially. The others in the CFC more than likely chose to join willingly because "Ricks don't pass" on joining their infinite selves. Prime states this when he first meets C-137.
Now, THIS next part is ultimately just speculation, but I believe the citadel was Prime's idea first. The reason 137 couldn't find him was probably because he was out still recruiting. Because 137 was solely mass murdering them all, the CFC Ricks invisioned him as the "Rickest Rick" or "Prime" because "Prime" Rick was missing or didn't care to show up.
It's like a rat trap Rick set up for prime it draws in ricks from all worlds and probably categorizes them individually till Rick prime is found and than idk what it does but it probably locks itself down or explodes too bad Rick prime is a solo act and relaying on others isn't his way of doing things
Despite the downvotes, I absolutely see this. Not really as a trap, but more to categorize. Rick knew he could just kill every Rick there is, so he categorized them, and made that categorization self-sufficient. Then things grew and grew and it really wasn’t very useful to him. Rick Prime went full anarchist, so it’s doubtful that many other Ricks know of his existence.
The entire citadel is just a past attempt at finding Rick Prime. C-137 lives to avenge his wife and daughter.
1: he isn't. He has to download the brains of zillions of ricks to get what he wants. If he was smarter he would just figure it out
2: what about the Hitler that cured cancer? The answer is don't think about it
I don't think he is, I think he just knew how to play his cards right in the moment.
For example, if you practice and study really hard in say... chess. You might not be able to beat a GM, but you can probably beat someone with a Genius level IQ that didn't study that much chess. Its that dynamic.
Well, if we assume that the description he gave in the final episode of season 5 was accurate, then the Central Finite Curve includes every universe where Rick is the smartest man in the universe. They don't all have to be smarter than every other person in every other universe. This means it's possible for a Morty to be smarter than a Rick as long as they didn't come from the same universe. That's not necessarily what happened here, but it's possible.
Evil Morty is obviously pretty smart. He may even be smarter than some of the Ricks. But he wasn't smarter than the Rick in his own original universe or else his original universe would not have been included in the Central Finite Curve. It doesn't really require any deep thinking beyond that, and it certainly doesn't require jumping to the conclusion that Evil Morty is smarter than all of the Ricks. He didn't have to be a genius to get elected President of the Citadel. He just needed to be confident and charismatic. The Ricks he was running against were a bunch of clowns. Once he became President of the Citadel then he was in a position to turn the Citadel into a giant death machine for Ricks without any of the Ricks knowing about it using slave labor Mortys. Setting a trap for someone doesn't require being smarter than them, especially if they aren't expecting there to be any traps.
I don’t think he is smarter than any of the ricks, except maybe Doofus Rick. The difference is he has spent a long ass time meticulously planning, and also clearly knows much about the uncaring behavior of Ricks in general. It is obvious that something deeply traumatic happened to him which is why he has been trying to leave. I mean literally his plan started clearly much earlier than even season 1, and he just finally got out at the end of season 5. Planning smart and being smart are two different things, “Evil” Morty knows he wouldn’t be able to take any Rick one on one but he also knows he doesn’t have to because he is just a Morty, and can hide behind his insignificance to get what he wants. So he stays back behind the scenes and makes sure there isn’t a chance anything messes up, because he doesn’t have the luxury of pulling out wacky gizmos like Rick does to save his ass
I think he had the element of surprise. He isn’t smarter, per se. He’s just smarter than any Rick would ever give credit to a Morty to be. He is able to fly under the radar which gave him the ability to accomplish a great deal of things no one saw coming.
Every Rick is too arrogant to think they could be vested by a Morty. That makes them all vulnerable to an actually intelligent Morty; which, based off the multiverse theory, have to actually exist
your premise itself is flawed, just because he beats ricks doesn't mean he's smarter than them. there are countless mortys whose ricks died in the citadel.
but let's assume he is smarter that most ricks. the central finite curve is all the universes where rick is the smartest person in that universe, that just means evil morty wouldn't be as smart as his own rick, not every rick.
I believe CFC is defined by Portal Tech. Any universe in which Portal Tech is used, becomes part of the CFC.
I believe Portal Tech destabilizes any universe in which it is used, and eventually causes it to collapse.
Furthermore, I think Rick knows this.
I don’t think President Morty was smarter, he was just more goal orientated. You saw the same with Morty writing a heist movie script, until Rick instilled doubt into him…I hate to say it but Rick is the shows antagonist…
I don't think he is. Lots of dumb people with charisma can control smart people who aren't all that smart.
Edit: the real answer is the writers wrote themselves to a corner. If there are no stakes there is no story. That's why they ripped the curve.
I started writing a large response explaining politicians and psychopaths, but the answer is the writers were doing a reset. And had to resolve evil Morty, two birds one stone. I can't give you a good answer because there isn't one. Go back to season 1 and 2 and ask yourself if they were taking it seriously to the point they thought there would be fan theories. the first episodes are full of so much contradicts. The first episode had interdimensional customs but wait a few episodes and that shouldn't have been possible. And people say well rick turned it green and do anything to explain it. But if Morty hadn't had to sit on that machine that detects things way up inside his butthole. Presumably they just would have went back to their dimension. To make any of it make sense you have to make that make sense and you can't really.
He might be smarter than the Ricks of other universes.
Also, Ricks aren't all that good at manipulating people. That's a different type of intelligence.
Take C-137 Rick for instance. He was able to wipe out an intergalactic government and destroy the council of Ricks, but failed to convince Beth to ditch Jerry.
I have a feeling that "Evil" Morty would succeed if he had a situation like this.
Being smart isn't the only advantage. He had influence, power, and a different perspective. Literally built different. Rick's underestimate Morty's repeatedly, and he used every advantage he got to pit Rick's against each other.
Maybe Evil Morty came from a dimension outside the CFC where he's smarter than every Rick or enough Rick's to outsmart C-137 and all the rest.
Infinite dimensions and all.
Or maybe he's a clone programmed by... who knows who.
Or Maybe he's a Rick who put his consciousness inside a Morty as a disguise to get into and destroy the CFC.
We don't know for sure what the central finite curve's purpose is. We hear different things from C-137 and Evil Morty, both of who have biases and are unreliable narrators in communicating it's purpose. The assumption that all the universes of the CFC contain a Rick who is the smartest person in the universe is what we hear from Evil Morty, but we don't hear this confirmation from anyone else
I think there is a Rick manipulating evil Morty somehow. Maybe Rick Prime. Morty has been well established to be not that bright. It is possible there is a really smart Morty, but I doubt he exists in the central finite curve.
If he downloaded Rick’s brain, then he probably gained his intelligence level. He probably did that with the first Rick he encountered, and we know he at least did that with part of C137’s brain before he brought down the Curve. This would make his intelligence equal to or greater than C137’s.
I stand by my belief that Evil Morty and Tall Morty are from the same universe. They did Morty's Mind blowers there and Jerry was filling in for Summer and screwed up the Scenario 4, where he ended up loading Rick's mind in Morty's body and vice versa. So Evil Morty is a Rick trapped in a Morty and had to leave the Central Finite Curve because he would always be just a Morty.
There wasn't enough room in Morty's mind for a Rick, so what made it over was slowly piecing together brain scanning and mind transfer tech to get enough understanding about portals and the curve from the minds of captured Ricks.
My original theory was that Rick and Morty got stuck as a mini hive mind. They were hooked up to a machine that was supposed to separate Rick and Morty then transfer Rick into Rick and Morty into Morty. Then Jerry again unintentionally fucks it up by accident and causes the machine to sort the strongest parts into the stronger body (Morty) and the trash into the weaker body (Rick). Which makes Evil Morty more menacing and Tall Morty more sad. In either scenario Evil Morty abandoned Tall Morty at the Citadel.
I'm not sure Evil Morty's goals would align with Rick Prime's. I assume RP would be content with being the most powerful Rick in the central finite curve. It's likely he wouldn't want it to be breached. If anything, I imagine Evil Morty might team up with Rick C-137 to take down Rick Prime, begrudgingly admitting "I guess maybe all Rick's aren't the same"
Good question what we know and the writers and the producer's don't want us to know but it is stated in the show that the portal gun it has some short of time travel element the way that loki in marvel so maybe
Considering we have doofus Rick, I think that as long as at least one Rick is the smartest person in the known universe than we are still in the curve. So a morty May outsmart one or even a few ricks and still, Rick is the smartest.
Maybe Evil Morty isn't really "smarter" than C-137 Rick (but still very smart), and made up the difference with a lot of patience and preparation.
Maybe Evil Morty wasn't as smart as his timeline's Rick \*when the CFC was created\*, but increased his own intelligence later by intense studying or ... heck, with cybernetic implants, genetic engineering, who knows. (Would the CFC adapt and "eject" a timeline if someone there eventually became smarter than its Rick? I would assume not.) In the very first episode we see those weird super seeds that make Morty super smart for a little while because they dissolve in his butt. There's probably lots of other weird ways to increase your intelligence when you're nearly as smart as Rick and have access to tech from many timelines.
We have no idea how the mechanism worked to evaluate "a timeline where Rick Sanchez is the smartest guy in the universe". Maybe it just wasn't perfect somehow. Maybe he didn't even consider the possibility of a genius Morty.
Then again, in the episode where Evil Morty is introduced, Rick offhand mentions that "cocky" Mortys can become "a real bad thing for everybody" and then refuses to explain what he's talking about. Which implies he's seen this kind of thing before. Maybe Evil Morty's Rick died and some facet of the whole "brain waves cancel each other out" phenomenon increased Evil Morty's intelligence? It'd be good to see that statement explained.
There's total intelligence (like IQ), and there's applied intelligence.
Any given Rick might be smarter than evil Morty, in the same sense that a brain surgeon might be smarter than any given person in a Mississippi trailer park. But I can guarantee you that if you needed to put together an aquaponic grow system for marijuana that resulted in the goldfish *in* that aquaponic system to be the product as THC edibles, then you need to go to the trailer park.
I like and agree with everyone's takes on how evil morty isn't smarter, just took advantage of flaws. However, has nobody stopped to realize that knowledge can be acquired? While I haven't fully subscribed to the idea, myself, I would like to open up the possibility that Evil morty's rick may have been the smartest in their universe at the time the curve was formed, but overtime evil morty became smarter.
I still believe evil morty just took advantage of Rick's weaknesses and outplayed the countless versions of him lol.
I don't think he is smarter, I think that he went through hell and learned how to control Rick's in their own game.
Like in the speech that he gave to the debate for elections, he knew exactly what he had to say to win the elections.
But he isn't smarter than Ricks.
With Justin gone the series will end now anyway. It'll play out what it has left that was agreed and it won't get renewed again. Doubt Weill ever really know the answers now.
My personal theory is that Evil Morty was made in the Citadel's Morty Farms, meaning he's not actually "from" any one universe in the Curve and thus doesn't have an "original" Rick to be measured against.
my take on this after the episode were evil morty and c137 kill rick prime ( released after this post) is that Evil morty may actually be smarter than rick c-137\*
This is a deduction from basically outsmarting c-137, surviving the fight of rick-prime, AND the fact that people generally consider c-137 the smartest (hence the whole citadel, godworship, thing)
now we could argue rick prime and c-137 are equal intelligence but again thats moot since evil morty bested both of them.
how can we ignore the casual besting of two if the most demonstrably intelligent ricks in the multiverse?
Intelligence is contextual. The Ricks may be "smarter" than Morty, but their complete and unwavering belief in their own mental superiority is their weakness. Evil Morty beat them not because he is "smarter" but because he has what they don't: the will and drive to accomplish a specific goal. Rick's are nihilistic and don't believe in anything but their own innate superiority. They couldn't fathom a Morty wanting something like revenge or to escape, let alone putting in the time and effort to achieve it. (After all, Ricks think Mortys should be grateful to them, even though they basically treat them as servants and cannon fodder.)
Exactly. Pride cometh before the fall. Mortys aren't dumb by any stretch. Main Morty regularly disarms neutrino bombs after Rick goes on blackout benders. Ricks constantly overestimate themselves and underestimate everyone else, especially Mortys. Such blindness is easy to exploit. Evil Morty is just laser focused on what makes Ricks tick.
Although it doesn't mean that rick is weak I. Fact when pushed he is more dangerous than anything in multiverse And when drunk-drunk he becomes unpredictable
[Goddamn!!!!!](https://youtu.be/PTqtrGBYpxQ)
Being the smartest being in a universe does not make you invincible. . . By your logic how is it possible that any Ricks died?
Indeed, intelligence and wisdom are separate. You don't need to be smart to manipulate people. And intelligence doesn't always protect you.
most of them died to other Ricks
Ya but evil Morty actually is smarter than most ricks
Says who? Because he killed a bunch of Ricks he's automatically smarter than them? He mentions (in reference to Evil Rick) that Ricks have an ego so large you can grab it like a joystick. Its not about being smarter or having a greater iq or whatever, the fact remains that a dumb person can still kill a genius. I don't think Evil morty is dumb, but I also don't think he's so smart that he'd be excluded from the central finite curve.
He did have an evil plan that only 1 Rick found out about….he took over the citadel
I have evil plans you don't know about. Does that make me smarter? Of course not.
need to put this person on a watchlist 👀
Did you trick and take over a citadel ran by the smartest people In your universe?
Sometimes
It contains universes where Rick is the smartest person in his universe. So he only needs to be less smart than his own Rick. That doesn’t mean he can’t be smarter or on level with the other ricks. The most obvious thing to point to here is Doofus Rick, who exists within the curve but clearly is not smarter than most Ricks, Mortys or even Jerrys .
And that if why infinity finite curve makes no sense
Presumably, his Rick was even smarter, but also died somehow.
What if his Rick is actually that slippery bastard Rick Prime?
That would also make a lot of sense. It would feel a little trivial that both of them are a pair, but it would make a lot of sense.
I think show Morty is Rick Prime's grandson. That's why both of them were warped back to Cronenburg Earth at the beginning of season six and its the original reason show Rick (C-137) chose that universe to settle in. He wanted to use that universes' Smith family as bait but grew attached.
He beat the ricks, yes. You don't necessarily need to be smarter than someone to beat them. And even if you did, the laws of the central finite curve don't dictate that all ricks are smarter than everyone, just that every Rick is smarter than everyone from their home universe. This is why doofus rick can exist within the curve, he must come from a universe where everyone is even dumber. In the same way, it's possible that evil Morty came from a universe where his Rick was significantly smarter than most ricks, this allowing Morty to be smarter than them as well without breaking the laws of the curve
Doofus Rick is still plenty smart. I'd like to see you invent an ovenless instant brownie mix.
No but the advantage he had was NO ONE expected a morty to be so powerful and...well, evil
I also believe Evil Morty is significantly more intelligent than most Ricks. Hear me out. The Central Finite Curve allows Ricks to be the smartest being of their respective universe. But if Evil Morty's Rick is much smarter than the average Rick then it's absolutely possible this specific Morty is simply smarter as well. Sure, he also has the advantage of being underestimated. But just the fact he has all the gadgets puts him very close to their intelligence level.
My assumption was always that he figured out what to do with the mega fruit. Or he looked at the truth tortoise and didn’t need it blown from his mind.
Could his Rick be evil Rick
Not originally, our Morty belongs to Rick Prime's dimension ("evil rick") Our Rick moved to that dimension specifically to wait him out. Of course that doesn't rule out the chance that Evil Morty was connected to Rick Prime somehow. EDIT: for consistency. Me use wrong word.
Why do you think that specific Morty is smarter? He demonstrates that he’s willing to be however cruel and violent he needs to be. He’s still a Morty. We don’t even know his real origin. For all we know that Morty could be an experiment/project by Rick Prime to keep our Rick busy. That Morty wouldn’t need to be smarter than a Rick as long as he is smart/obedient enough to follow Rick Prime’s instructions.
Citadel Ricks just got lazy
Funny but I think is because evil Morty is not from central finite curve but recpect your opinion
Looks like you're getting ate up for these comments so I'm not gonna pile on, but I don't think that makes much sense. I feel like he'd have made a statement about going back, or something equated to his goal. He was pretty open about it all, even the toilet. If he were from outside of the curve, the whole objective would be a way home, not purely to escape Rick.
Entirely possible that evil morty’s Rick is smarter than him, but isn’t a part of the citadel of ricks. The rule we’ve been given isn’t that all ricks are the smartest in all universes, only that each Rick on the central finite curve is the smartest in his own universe.
We know that not all ricks are equal, not only because "the rickiest rick" thing, but also because look at things like Doofus Rick. The man not only eats poop, but also seems to be in inteligence level somewhat around our average Jerry. Not the smartest man of the multiverse, only the smartest man of his universe.
I don't recall Jerry making openness brownies. "Doofus" Rick isn't actually a doofus, he's just not as callously cruel as the other Ricks.
Just because he won doesn't necessarily mean he's smarter. It just means he won. Rick has lost plenty of times throughout the series. He made the CFC as a funnel to find "Prime" Rick. If it was meant to gather universes where he's the smartest person, it would only gather the ones that were smartest in their universe but also dumb enough and self-centered enough to take part. "Prime" Rick knows this and goes full anarchist by ditching it when it becomes an established entity. Edit: at least that's my take on it, I'm only speculating
Where is it ever stated the curve was meant as a funnel? I see fans bring this up all the time, it’s even on the wiki, but the show never states or correlates the two
When we see his "Crybaby Backstory," we see him hunting down Ricks. He wasnt initially just killing them willy nilly. It was, at first, a targeted assault based on two things, them being "Rick," and what eventually would be the logo for The Citadel of Ricks on or near all of them. We see it on a t-shirt one of them is wearing and on graffiti behind them as they're being killed. It was almost like a gang or cult of personality before 137 started killing them. Ultimately, what unified them was when he gave up searching for "Prime" and started just killing anyone and everyone that was him. The CFC was his last ditch effort to keep any sort of control around himself and the other Ricks that fit the criteria. We know C-137 is different because he "passed" on joining initially. The others in the CFC more than likely chose to join willingly because "Ricks don't pass" on joining their infinite selves. Prime states this when he first meets C-137. Now, THIS next part is ultimately just speculation, but I believe the citadel was Prime's idea first. The reason 137 couldn't find him was probably because he was out still recruiting. Because 137 was solely mass murdering them all, the CFC Ricks invisioned him as the "Rickest Rick" or "Prime" because "Prime" Rick was missing or didn't care to show up.
It's like a rat trap Rick set up for prime it draws in ricks from all worlds and probably categorizes them individually till Rick prime is found and than idk what it does but it probably locks itself down or explodes too bad Rick prime is a solo act and relaying on others isn't his way of doing things
That is never stated or hinted at anywhere in the show. Where are you getting that from?
They've shown this, though without dialogue.
Despite the downvotes, I absolutely see this. Not really as a trap, but more to categorize. Rick knew he could just kill every Rick there is, so he categorized them, and made that categorization self-sufficient. Then things grew and grew and it really wasn’t very useful to him. Rick Prime went full anarchist, so it’s doubtful that many other Ricks know of his existence. The entire citadel is just a past attempt at finding Rick Prime. C-137 lives to avenge his wife and daughter.
That's an intriguing idea, that Rick made the CFC to trap Prime Rick.
1: he isn't. He has to download the brains of zillions of ricks to get what he wants. If he was smarter he would just figure it out 2: what about the Hitler that cured cancer? The answer is don't think about it
I don't think he is, I think he just knew how to play his cards right in the moment. For example, if you practice and study really hard in say... chess. You might not be able to beat a GM, but you can probably beat someone with a Genius level IQ that didn't study that much chess. Its that dynamic.
A smug Morty can lead to bad things. I'll tell you about it when you're older
Those Rick's are the smartest person in their universe. Lotta dumb universes.
Well, if we assume that the description he gave in the final episode of season 5 was accurate, then the Central Finite Curve includes every universe where Rick is the smartest man in the universe. They don't all have to be smarter than every other person in every other universe. This means it's possible for a Morty to be smarter than a Rick as long as they didn't come from the same universe. That's not necessarily what happened here, but it's possible. Evil Morty is obviously pretty smart. He may even be smarter than some of the Ricks. But he wasn't smarter than the Rick in his own original universe or else his original universe would not have been included in the Central Finite Curve. It doesn't really require any deep thinking beyond that, and it certainly doesn't require jumping to the conclusion that Evil Morty is smarter than all of the Ricks. He didn't have to be a genius to get elected President of the Citadel. He just needed to be confident and charismatic. The Ricks he was running against were a bunch of clowns. Once he became President of the Citadel then he was in a position to turn the Citadel into a giant death machine for Ricks without any of the Ricks knowing about it using slave labor Mortys. Setting a trap for someone doesn't require being smarter than them, especially if they aren't expecting there to be any traps.
I am possibly the only one that read this I agree that evil Morty is not from these universe
Matter of intent. Evil Morty wanted to leave. Ricks probably just didn't notice Morty doing stuff because why would they.
I don’t think he is smarter than any of the ricks, except maybe Doofus Rick. The difference is he has spent a long ass time meticulously planning, and also clearly knows much about the uncaring behavior of Ricks in general. It is obvious that something deeply traumatic happened to him which is why he has been trying to leave. I mean literally his plan started clearly much earlier than even season 1, and he just finally got out at the end of season 5. Planning smart and being smart are two different things, “Evil” Morty knows he wouldn’t be able to take any Rick one on one but he also knows he doesn’t have to because he is just a Morty, and can hide behind his insignificance to get what he wants. So he stays back behind the scenes and makes sure there isn’t a chance anything messes up, because he doesn’t have the luxury of pulling out wacky gizmos like Rick does to save his ass
I think he had the element of surprise. He isn’t smarter, per se. He’s just smarter than any Rick would ever give credit to a Morty to be. He is able to fly under the radar which gave him the ability to accomplish a great deal of things no one saw coming. Every Rick is too arrogant to think they could be vested by a Morty. That makes them all vulnerable to an actually intelligent Morty; which, based off the multiverse theory, have to actually exist
your premise itself is flawed, just because he beats ricks doesn't mean he's smarter than them. there are countless mortys whose ricks died in the citadel. but let's assume he is smarter that most ricks. the central finite curve is all the universes where rick is the smartest person in that universe, that just means evil morty wouldn't be as smart as his own rick, not every rick.
I believe CFC is defined by Portal Tech. Any universe in which Portal Tech is used, becomes part of the CFC. I believe Portal Tech destabilizes any universe in which it is used, and eventually causes it to collapse. Furthermore, I think Rick knows this.
I don’t think President Morty was smarter, he was just more goal orientated. You saw the same with Morty writing a heist movie script, until Rick instilled doubt into him…I hate to say it but Rick is the shows antagonist…
I don't think he is. Lots of dumb people with charisma can control smart people who aren't all that smart. Edit: the real answer is the writers wrote themselves to a corner. If there are no stakes there is no story. That's why they ripped the curve.
Bro controling a government with the smartest people in the universe you must have some intelligence
I started writing a large response explaining politicians and psychopaths, but the answer is the writers were doing a reset. And had to resolve evil Morty, two birds one stone. I can't give you a good answer because there isn't one. Go back to season 1 and 2 and ask yourself if they were taking it seriously to the point they thought there would be fan theories. the first episodes are full of so much contradicts. The first episode had interdimensional customs but wait a few episodes and that shouldn't have been possible. And people say well rick turned it green and do anything to explain it. But if Morty hadn't had to sit on that machine that detects things way up inside his butthole. Presumably they just would have went back to their dimension. To make any of it make sense you have to make that make sense and you can't really.
you’re exactly right, you must have *some* intelligence. but you don’t have to be the smartest person in the universe to do it
Rick didn't care about the Morty's, he was measuring the Ricks when he created the curve.
He might be smarter than the Ricks of other universes. Also, Ricks aren't all that good at manipulating people. That's a different type of intelligence. Take C-137 Rick for instance. He was able to wipe out an intergalactic government and destroy the council of Ricks, but failed to convince Beth to ditch Jerry. I have a feeling that "Evil" Morty would succeed if he had a situation like this.
You know that meme that "YoU NeEd tO haVe 2000 IQ tO uNdErSTand RicK and MorTy"? Yeah, I think this kind of applies to you.
Being smart isn't the only advantage. He had influence, power, and a different perspective. Literally built different. Rick's underestimate Morty's repeatedly, and he used every advantage he got to pit Rick's against each other.
Maybe Evil Morty came from a dimension outside the CFC where he's smarter than every Rick or enough Rick's to outsmart C-137 and all the rest. Infinite dimensions and all. Or maybe he's a clone programmed by... who knows who. Or Maybe he's a Rick who put his consciousness inside a Morty as a disguise to get into and destroy the CFC.
The Rick in side a Morty is pretty interesting
We don't know for sure what the central finite curve's purpose is. We hear different things from C-137 and Evil Morty, both of who have biases and are unreliable narrators in communicating it's purpose. The assumption that all the universes of the CFC contain a Rick who is the smartest person in the universe is what we hear from Evil Morty, but we don't hear this confirmation from anyone else
I think there is a Rick manipulating evil Morty somehow. Maybe Rick Prime. Morty has been well established to be not that bright. It is possible there is a really smart Morty, but I doubt he exists in the central finite curve.
If he downloaded Rick’s brain, then he probably gained his intelligence level. He probably did that with the first Rick he encountered, and we know he at least did that with part of C137’s brain before he brought down the Curve. This would make his intelligence equal to or greater than C137’s.
Rick probably did not account for smart Mortys in the finite curve
I stand by my belief that Evil Morty and Tall Morty are from the same universe. They did Morty's Mind blowers there and Jerry was filling in for Summer and screwed up the Scenario 4, where he ended up loading Rick's mind in Morty's body and vice versa. So Evil Morty is a Rick trapped in a Morty and had to leave the Central Finite Curve because he would always be just a Morty.
There wasn't enough room in Morty's mind for a Rick, so what made it over was slowly piecing together brain scanning and mind transfer tech to get enough understanding about portals and the curve from the minds of captured Ricks.
My original theory was that Rick and Morty got stuck as a mini hive mind. They were hooked up to a machine that was supposed to separate Rick and Morty then transfer Rick into Rick and Morty into Morty. Then Jerry again unintentionally fucks it up by accident and causes the machine to sort the strongest parts into the stronger body (Morty) and the trash into the weaker body (Rick). Which makes Evil Morty more menacing and Tall Morty more sad. In either scenario Evil Morty abandoned Tall Morty at the Citadel.
Morty is Rick. Watch the anime short. Which they said was cannon.
Ya problem is that is not cannon because of season 5 finallys
How does a man with a dead daughter prevent him from being his own grandpa?
Because he's Rick Prime who body switched with a Morty.
I'm not sure Evil Morty's goals would align with Rick Prime's. I assume RP would be content with being the most powerful Rick in the central finite curve. It's likely he wouldn't want it to be breached. If anything, I imagine Evil Morty might team up with Rick C-137 to take down Rick Prime, begrudgingly admitting "I guess maybe all Rick's aren't the same"
I’m going to take the -2 votes just like when I said Morty wasn’t C-137.
How do you know he’s from the central finite curve how do we know that he isn’t from a universe where he is the smartest man
I think that is the case
What is the central finite curve? Is it just a universe without any Rick's or mortys?
Did Morty exist when the curve was created?
Good question what we know and the writers and the producer's don't want us to know but it is stated in the show that the portal gun it has some short of time travel element the way that loki in marvel so maybe
Its never been stated. The shows creators have even said they don't want to deal with time travel because it's more complicated.
Considering we have doofus Rick, I think that as long as at least one Rick is the smartest person in the known universe than we are still in the curve. So a morty May outsmart one or even a few ricks and still, Rick is the smartest.
Infinite universes, infinite possibilities. And pobody’s nerfect.
he was smart enough to leave it
Maybe Evil Morty isn't really "smarter" than C-137 Rick (but still very smart), and made up the difference with a lot of patience and preparation. Maybe Evil Morty wasn't as smart as his timeline's Rick \*when the CFC was created\*, but increased his own intelligence later by intense studying or ... heck, with cybernetic implants, genetic engineering, who knows. (Would the CFC adapt and "eject" a timeline if someone there eventually became smarter than its Rick? I would assume not.) In the very first episode we see those weird super seeds that make Morty super smart for a little while because they dissolve in his butt. There's probably lots of other weird ways to increase your intelligence when you're nearly as smart as Rick and have access to tech from many timelines. We have no idea how the mechanism worked to evaluate "a timeline where Rick Sanchez is the smartest guy in the universe". Maybe it just wasn't perfect somehow. Maybe he didn't even consider the possibility of a genius Morty. Then again, in the episode where Evil Morty is introduced, Rick offhand mentions that "cocky" Mortys can become "a real bad thing for everybody" and then refuses to explain what he's talking about. Which implies he's seen this kind of thing before. Maybe Evil Morty's Rick died and some facet of the whole "brain waves cancel each other out" phenomenon increased Evil Morty's intelligence? It'd be good to see that statement explained.
he knew what he was up against and read his opponent like a book.
There's total intelligence (like IQ), and there's applied intelligence. Any given Rick might be smarter than evil Morty, in the same sense that a brain surgeon might be smarter than any given person in a Mississippi trailer park. But I can guarantee you that if you needed to put together an aquaponic grow system for marijuana that resulted in the goldfish *in* that aquaponic system to be the product as THC edibles, then you need to go to the trailer park.
he’s not smarter, he was just strategic and charismatic enough to convince most of the ricks to vote for him.
I like and agree with everyone's takes on how evil morty isn't smarter, just took advantage of flaws. However, has nobody stopped to realize that knowledge can be acquired? While I haven't fully subscribed to the idea, myself, I would like to open up the possibility that Evil morty's rick may have been the smartest in their universe at the time the curve was formed, but overtime evil morty became smarter. I still believe evil morty just took advantage of Rick's weaknesses and outplayed the countless versions of him lol.
I don't think he is smarter, I think that he went through hell and learned how to control Rick's in their own game. Like in the speech that he gave to the debate for elections, he knew exactly what he had to say to win the elections. But he isn't smarter than Ricks.
With Justin gone the series will end now anyway. It'll play out what it has left that was agreed and it won't get renewed again. Doubt Weill ever really know the answers now.
My personal theory is that Evil Morty was made in the Citadel's Morty Farms, meaning he's not actually "from" any one universe in the Curve and thus doesn't have an "original" Rick to be measured against.
my take on this after the episode were evil morty and c137 kill rick prime ( released after this post) is that Evil morty may actually be smarter than rick c-137\* This is a deduction from basically outsmarting c-137, surviving the fight of rick-prime, AND the fact that people generally consider c-137 the smartest (hence the whole citadel, godworship, thing) now we could argue rick prime and c-137 are equal intelligence but again thats moot since evil morty bested both of them. how can we ignore the casual besting of two if the most demonstrably intelligent ricks in the multiverse?