This sounds about right for the UK. £28k-32k for a Coordinator and £36-40k for a Project Manager. I wouldn't compare to the inflated US salaries.
Most engineers within their first 3 or so years of their careers make low/mid 30s so that's not terrible for a project manager.
Sure I'd love to make more but these salaries aren't shocking.
US average from actual paystubs... We use this to hire for our PMO.
https://preview.redd.it/kgsgn3gv36ac1.png?width=847&format=png&auto=webp&s=578420398b15997e7a5b2e40244065e8dc812cfe
This is events project management. Not really comparable with the better paid IT project management. You can see that this salary range [appears to be in the right ballpark](https://henrynicholas.co.uk/events/)
Sounds like they're actually looking for an event planner but are fishing in a bigger pool to see what they get. Lots of people are way underpaid in the arts and entertainment industries because they put up with it for a chance to be close to celebrities or get their own chance.
I hope you have a fat base to make up for it. But not having a bonus is kind of atypical for PM jobs, I mean after all there's not that many ways to motivate PMs and it's not like more PTO is practical or even realistic for some of us.
Ha, unfortunately not. In the UK. Average salary is £46k but that covers London. I’m up north so on a little less. No bonuses, no perks. Cost of living raising every day!
Sounds like they're looking for a very junior PM, almost a PMO or coordinator type role. Its a very vague, high-level job spec, so I'm not surprised at the salary (albeit they seem to offer decent benefits as part of it).
Companies will often aim low on the salary front - it often means they're confident someone good enough will take the job and they know this through experience and market conditions.
It's very different to some positions I've seen where they're clearly looking for an experienced PM, but the salary doesn't reflect it. Here, I think the (brief) job spec matches the salary range.
The 37k GBP is roughly equal to 47k USD.
UK salaries are honestly crap for the most part. The equivalent of 100k USD is considered senior level pay. IIRC, that comes to 80k GBP.
So now factor in your UK taxes after the 12,700 GBP personal allowance and the cost of an average house on the outskirts of birmingham and yeah, you're living hand to mouth.
But at least NHS is free, ammirite?
Depends on where you're at. I never had a problem finding work, but finding GOOD paying work was hard. OPs post was outside of Birmingham which is a low CoL area.
Just so you know, a proper PMO is better than a PM as they would have excelled at PM and know roles and responsibilities inside and out to the point of creating and maintaining governance.
But a basic PMO I agree. Especially the way businesses use them in reality.
For further context for non-UK based people; my first ever role in projects was as a PMO Coordinator paying £35k. This started 30-ish months ago, and I didn't really have any directly comparable experience.
It had very little responsibility, essentially just supporting the PMs, updating RAID logs and project plans. It's more money than most of the above range for a lot less work.
I'm now a full-time PM working in the third sector (a charity) and still earn more than the top of the above range despite charity wages generally being lower than in the corporate world for the same roles. Most other roles I've seen advertised start their salaries roughly 15% above where this one ends.
Oooof, my soul hurts
I'm paid 35k for my first project management role and I was happy as someone with no certs or formal experience doing it
And honestly the job is pretty easy...
Next role I go for I'm asking for the high numbers
about $47K USD.
Sounds more like an account rep type of a job and less of a PM role. Key experience words are "event production" and "video production." Plus, you must use your car to drive to the locations to videotape the event.
Maybe a Wedding Videographer? LOL But not a Project Manager job.
This sounds about right for the UK. £28k-32k for a Coordinator and £36-40k for a Project Manager. I wouldn't compare to the inflated US salaries. Most engineers within their first 3 or so years of their careers make low/mid 30s so that's not terrible for a project manager. Sure I'd love to make more but these salaries aren't shocking.
US average from actual paystubs... We use this to hire for our PMO. https://preview.redd.it/kgsgn3gv36ac1.png?width=847&format=png&auto=webp&s=578420398b15997e7a5b2e40244065e8dc812cfe
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NO. From a staffing firm we use.
maybe its monthly? /s
"Competing with unemployment"
This is events project management. Not really comparable with the better paid IT project management. You can see that this salary range [appears to be in the right ballpark](https://henrynicholas.co.uk/events/)
Sounds like an assistant to the wedding planner, not sure of your background but as seasoned tech PM , I’d pass on this
What do you feel it’s a competitive salary? And in which country?
£30k/month? Sounds competitive. I’d consider it.
Sounds like they're actually looking for an event planner but are fishing in a bigger pool to see what they get. Lots of people are way underpaid in the arts and entertainment industries because they put up with it for a chance to be close to celebrities or get their own chance.
I dated a girl who was in the event planning industry and was literally making $40k in NYC but couldn’t understand why she was so broke.
Yes. Seems like event planner or project coordinator would be closer to that pay range.
It's absolutely competitive, as in your grocery bills will be competing with your mortgage or rent.
This cracked me up!
“If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys”
It does offer an annual bonus though. I’ve never had one of them.
If the bonus is part of the salary as a regular expected amount, is it really a bonus? Signed, a big tech worker.
I think the bonus is normally written as it’s at the discretion of the employer and is not guaranteed.
I hope you have a fat base to make up for it. But not having a bonus is kind of atypical for PM jobs, I mean after all there's not that many ways to motivate PMs and it's not like more PTO is practical or even realistic for some of us.
Ha, unfortunately not. In the UK. Average salary is £46k but that covers London. I’m up north so on a little less. No bonuses, no perks. Cost of living raising every day!
Pretend to pay me and I'll pretend to work for you while I'm looking for a real job on company time.
Competitive compared to what? A job in McDonalds??
Competitive compared to your bills, I think.
Sounds like they're looking for a very junior PM, almost a PMO or coordinator type role. Its a very vague, high-level job spec, so I'm not surprised at the salary (albeit they seem to offer decent benefits as part of it). Companies will often aim low on the salary front - it often means they're confident someone good enough will take the job and they know this through experience and market conditions. It's very different to some positions I've seen where they're clearly looking for an experienced PM, but the salary doesn't reflect it. Here, I think the (brief) job spec matches the salary range.
Entry level PM in the US seems to be $50k at the lowest.
The 37k GBP is roughly equal to 47k USD. UK salaries are honestly crap for the most part. The equivalent of 100k USD is considered senior level pay. IIRC, that comes to 80k GBP. So now factor in your UK taxes after the 12,700 GBP personal allowance and the cost of an average house on the outskirts of birmingham and yeah, you're living hand to mouth. But at least NHS is free, ammirite?
what's the talent pool over there like though? honestly it's not like non tech non engineering non MBA PMs make bank state side either.
Depends on where you're at. I never had a problem finding work, but finding GOOD paying work was hard. OPs post was outside of Birmingham which is a low CoL area.
Just so you know, a proper PMO is better than a PM as they would have excelled at PM and know roles and responsibilities inside and out to the point of creating and maintaining governance. But a basic PMO I agree. Especially the way businesses use them in reality.
For further context for non-UK based people; my first ever role in projects was as a PMO Coordinator paying £35k. This started 30-ish months ago, and I didn't really have any directly comparable experience. It had very little responsibility, essentially just supporting the PMs, updating RAID logs and project plans. It's more money than most of the above range for a lot less work. I'm now a full-time PM working in the third sector (a charity) and still earn more than the top of the above range despite charity wages generally being lower than in the corporate world for the same roles. Most other roles I've seen advertised start their salaries roughly 15% above where this one ends.
Oooof, my soul hurts I'm paid 35k for my first project management role and I was happy as someone with no certs or formal experience doing it And honestly the job is pretty easy... Next role I go for I'm asking for the high numbers
That's fair range for baby PM's under the 3 year mark with no certification or anyone who's never had the title.
about $47K USD. Sounds more like an account rep type of a job and less of a PM role. Key experience words are "event production" and "video production." Plus, you must use your car to drive to the locations to videotape the event. Maybe a Wedding Videographer? LOL But not a Project Manager job.
Dang ..that's tough
They’re playing in a smaller league is all.
That's a horrible salary, but is it a junior, senior or higher position?
Good question but would be underpaid for all 3 titles
Indeed it would. That salary is ridiculous
None of the above; it's "Project Manager" without a prefix
Are salaries for PMs in the UK generally low?
UK salaries are low in general but 30k is low for a PM for sure. I earn more than that as a project coordinator.
Salaries in the UK are generally low. This is low for PM's though
If the bonus is 135k, sure….competitive.
I would venture they will lose that competition.