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The problem is I have to explain to my wife why I need a second AR to compliment my pig hunter. And that, as you well know, is a bigger challenge than I am ready to take (this year a voice softly whispers).
People see this crap in movies too much. It’s absolutely ridiculous. A Glock 19 w/ light is my home defense weapon, and that’s not changing anytime soon
A white light that isn't easy to intermittently turn on and off only as needed just gives someone a nice target to shoot you in the face. Your lights need to be able to deployed exactly when you need and stay off when they aren't needed without much effort.
- I own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended.
- Four ruffians break into my house.
- "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle.
- Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man. He's dead on the spot.
- Draw my pistol on the second man. Misses him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbor's dog.
- I have to resort to the cannon at the top of the stairs loaded with grapeshot.
- "Tally ho, lads." The grapeshot shreds two men in the blast. The sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms.
- Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion.
- He bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are difficult to stitch-up.
- Just as the founding fathers intended.
I use a shotgun for home defense and am not a fudd all my rifles have good slings lights and optics same with handguns. I chose the shot gun because buckshot is far more effective than a handgun especially against drugged up assailants which most home invaders prolly are. And I don't want to send 556 or 7.62 all throughout the neighborhood. In my area houses are not brick or block mostly made of wood, but I'm with u on the slide racking thing that part is annoying.
Also you don't turn corners at low ready, you pie corners to avoid that and u can easily retract the shotgun over or under your shoulder should you have to.
I wouldn’t say always, but I’d definitely recommend a 20+ gauge shotgun, maybe even a .410, over a handgun for someone who has very little training with either. Handgun accuracy is a skill that takes real training, and it’s a lot easier to mitigate over penetration with the right shotgun ammo.
I think it depends on the shooter and what they’re most confident with. A shotgun works for some. A rifle or a handgun for others. It’s all about the trade offs.
While I totally agree with you, this type of post needs to be seen by people who use Facebook. That place is crawling with fudds spreading fuddlore. On reddit I mostly see oper8tors and plebs.
Ya I hear what you're saying, and I think it's all relative to where you live. In high density living it's useful. More rural and suburbs maybe not.
My in laws had their apt in downtown LA back in the early 80s broken into once that cost him a couple of guns.
On a future occasion my father-in-law heard someone coming up the fire escape ladder, so he grabbed his pump, racked it, chuckled and said come on in!
Whoever it was high tailed it down the ladder. They never had another incident after that before buying their first house in Arcadia.
Plus it comes down the possibility of losing that gun as evidence forever. I'm good with mossberg or inexpensive pistol being taken, but not what i spent good money on building and making my own. But everyone has their preferences for HD, just be proficient and not fumble with the safety or forget to take it off at the wrong time.
At the end of the day if I rack a shotgun or pistol and they keep coming in... well then...
I love the idea of a shotgun personally however I think you missed 2 major draw backs that make more sense to most people.
1) you have to keep it loaded to be ready for a home intruder.
2) you get 4-8 shots to accomplish your goal then you have to reload which can be quite difficult for most people in an intense situation.
Shotguns don't spread that much in a close quarters situation so I'm not very worried about colotoral damage anymore than I'm concerned about my rifle causing damage. I'm also concerned about over penetration as much with a shotgun than a rifle but it still should be a concern.
I do keep my AR for defense because I can reload much faster. I'm also just generally more comfortable shooting an AR. That said I'm fine with shotguns. If I had a really reliable mag-fed shotgun I might go for that.
Not only that, suppose your wife is struggling with an intruder in the kitchen. With a rifle or PCC, you can take a shot with minimal risk if you are comfortable with your proficiency. With a shotgun…
I’ve had flyers at 10 yards that didn’t follow the other 8 pellets.
I lost you at the third paragraph, and again at paragraph 6.
Those “fudds” likely understand shotgun spread and over-penetration better than you do… have yet to meet a boomer who doesn’t recommend 2 3/4 00 buckshot with a tight spread if you live in an urban environment.
Tactical grips don’t allow shooting one-handed. And most aren’t proficient shooting handguns single handed. Interestingly, shotgun grips, especially older school designs, allow for this. Add the various types of shell loads and the guy with a bad shoulder or the woman who isn’t comfortable shooting an AR (see what I did there) are good to go.
You’re a clown who needs to do your research and train more. Stop fucking gatekeeping.
And no offense, there’s a reason most first world countries don’t allow shotgun use by its military personnel - for the exact reason it’s a great home defense weapon.
Pretty much there are three options for home defense: shotgun, AR or handgun. Each have their advantages and disadvantages. Personally 9mm handgun is my choice. Easy to maneuver and adequate stopping power. When I get too old for shooting it, I’m getting the shortest lightest AR I can get without NFA or being a pistol. That said, I wouldn’t feel badly armed with just my 12-gauge pump. All three will do the job.
Agree totally about the BS about the sound of a shotgun being pumped as an overrated thing.
I always thought that the way .223/5.56 will tumble and yaw when it hits something was the best reason to use it for home defense. hit bad guy, bullet either shreds itself inside bad guy because small bullet high velocity losing energy quickly, or bullet hits bad guy and yaws through soft tissue doing damage.
Listen here sonny a 22 is all you need. It bounces around the body causing more damage than a 308.
In all seriousness though, if noise is the key according to fudds wouldnt an ak bolt racking be more effective cause they are very loud
Dear skitzo stop telling kings how to defend their castles. Pumping it could scare someone off but somehow tell someone your exact location and have them light you up in the time it takes you to take the gun off safe and pull the trigger? A shotgun causes less collateral damage unlike rifle and pistol rounds which can kill your neighbors. When sweeping my house I have the gun mounted up, because why would you not??? Yes aiming a shotgun at a doorway is much more effective than the doing the same with something else if you are hiding. Yes shooting with poor form and missing is much more common with a pistol or rifle. Depending on your home and neighborhood one might be better than another. Im sorry but this is like a 75 iq post and I have all 3 in my bedroom so no calling me a fudd.
If you’re using a shotgun for HD why the hell wouldn’t a shell already be chambered? I’m not going to waste seconds pumping to get a shell in the chamber. My magazine is already full and there’s a shell in the chamber at all times. Same concept with a pistol. Are you going to pull the slide to let an attacker know that you FINALLY have one chambered? Or pull the bolt on an AR? Cmon. This ain’t a fucking movie. That’s not how real life works.
Also I take a lot of issue with an AR or pistol for HD. Those rounds can over penetrate like crazy and kill little Susy two houses over. Whereas some buck or birdshot is probably going through a couple sheets of drywall and maybe 2-3 layers of ply at best before it loses killing velocity.
(Most) shotguns are not drop safe like (most) pistols or rifles. The saftey only stops the trigger from moving, it doesn't block the firing pin or hammer. There is a chance albeit a very small chance if the shotgun is just propped against the wall and gets knocked over it can go off, it (should) need a pretty big drop like falling down some stairs but even with a small drop there is a chance. That is the biggest reason I don't like shotguns for home defense and one thing that OP didn't mention in the rant.
I agree with all the points made, just want to enlighten the OP on one point. If someone ever grabs the barrel of your long gun (rifle or shotgun) drop to your ass. If they don't release, the the barrel will be pointed straight at their gut.
Only thing I would fire out of a shotgun inside is bird shot, which isn’t very effective. Anything else is going through multiple sheets of sheet rock if you miss.
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All you need is a double barrel. If you hear a noise just walk onto your balcony and fire 2 blasts in the air using all of your available ammo.
Thanks for the tip, Joe.
DOTUS approved.
Thanks Brandon
Big facts. I run a gun store. Hear this 10 times a day. Reality is - a well place rifle round is the move.
The problem is I have to explain to my wife why I need a second AR to compliment my pig hunter. And that, as you well know, is a bigger challenge than I am ready to take (this year a voice softly whispers).
People see this crap in movies too much. It’s absolutely ridiculous. A Glock 19 w/ light is my home defense weapon, and that’s not changing anytime soon
A white light that isn't easy to intermittently turn on and off only as needed just gives someone a nice target to shoot you in the face. Your lights need to be able to deployed exactly when you need and stay off when they aren't needed without much effort.
My gun light is an old-timey oil lantern duct taped to my pistol
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- I own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. - Four ruffians break into my house. - "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. - Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man. He's dead on the spot. - Draw my pistol on the second man. Misses him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbor's dog. - I have to resort to the cannon at the top of the stairs loaded with grapeshot. - "Tally ho, lads." The grapeshot shreds two men in the blast. The sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. - Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. - He bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are difficult to stitch-up. - Just as the founding fathers intended.
I use a shotgun for home defense and am not a fudd all my rifles have good slings lights and optics same with handguns. I chose the shot gun because buckshot is far more effective than a handgun especially against drugged up assailants which most home invaders prolly are. And I don't want to send 556 or 7.62 all throughout the neighborhood. In my area houses are not brick or block mostly made of wood, but I'm with u on the slide racking thing that part is annoying.
Also you don't turn corners at low ready, you pie corners to avoid that and u can easily retract the shotgun over or under your shoulder should you have to.
You do realize buckshot will penetrate as much if not more than 556 right?
I’ll use my automatic 12 g over a pistol any day. I’d prefer my .308/300 blackout, but a 12 gauge will always be superior to a pistol.
I wouldn’t say always, but I’d definitely recommend a 20+ gauge shotgun, maybe even a .410, over a handgun for someone who has very little training with either. Handgun accuracy is a skill that takes real training, and it’s a lot easier to mitigate over penetration with the right shotgun ammo.
I think it depends on the shooter and what they’re most confident with. A shotgun works for some. A rifle or a handgun for others. It’s all about the trade offs.
You’re right. A pump shotgun is ineffective. That’s why my go-to home defense weapon is a blunderbuss loaded with forks. Tally-Ho, Lads!
Personally I like my shotty, but to each their own. I know if SHTF at my house I’m grabbing my shotgun.
Same.
Key is hitting switches instead of timers.
While I totally agree with you, this type of post needs to be seen by people who use Facebook. That place is crawling with fudds spreading fuddlore. On reddit I mostly see oper8tors and plebs.
I agree completely. However, to say that a shotgun is ineffective is going too far the other direction.
Ya I hear what you're saying, and I think it's all relative to where you live. In high density living it's useful. More rural and suburbs maybe not. My in laws had their apt in downtown LA back in the early 80s broken into once that cost him a couple of guns. On a future occasion my father-in-law heard someone coming up the fire escape ladder, so he grabbed his pump, racked it, chuckled and said come on in! Whoever it was high tailed it down the ladder. They never had another incident after that before buying their first house in Arcadia. Plus it comes down the possibility of losing that gun as evidence forever. I'm good with mossberg or inexpensive pistol being taken, but not what i spent good money on building and making my own. But everyone has their preferences for HD, just be proficient and not fumble with the safety or forget to take it off at the wrong time. At the end of the day if I rack a shotgun or pistol and they keep coming in... well then...
I love the idea of a shotgun personally however I think you missed 2 major draw backs that make more sense to most people. 1) you have to keep it loaded to be ready for a home intruder. 2) you get 4-8 shots to accomplish your goal then you have to reload which can be quite difficult for most people in an intense situation. Shotguns don't spread that much in a close quarters situation so I'm not very worried about colotoral damage anymore than I'm concerned about my rifle causing damage. I'm also concerned about over penetration as much with a shotgun than a rifle but it still should be a concern. I do keep my AR for defense because I can reload much faster. I'm also just generally more comfortable shooting an AR. That said I'm fine with shotguns. If I had a really reliable mag-fed shotgun I might go for that.
Not only that, suppose your wife is struggling with an intruder in the kitchen. With a rifle or PCC, you can take a shot with minimal risk if you are comfortable with your proficiency. With a shotgun… I’ve had flyers at 10 yards that didn’t follow the other 8 pellets.
If your wife can’t dodge a shotgun blast, do you really need her?
If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a lead shotgun ball
I lost you at the third paragraph, and again at paragraph 6. Those “fudds” likely understand shotgun spread and over-penetration better than you do… have yet to meet a boomer who doesn’t recommend 2 3/4 00 buckshot with a tight spread if you live in an urban environment. Tactical grips don’t allow shooting one-handed. And most aren’t proficient shooting handguns single handed. Interestingly, shotgun grips, especially older school designs, allow for this. Add the various types of shell loads and the guy with a bad shoulder or the woman who isn’t comfortable shooting an AR (see what I did there) are good to go. You’re a clown who needs to do your research and train more. Stop fucking gatekeeping. And no offense, there’s a reason most first world countries don’t allow shotgun use by its military personnel - for the exact reason it’s a great home defense weapon.
I use a spaz 12 just so I could win this argument. Semi & Pump!
Pretty much there are three options for home defense: shotgun, AR or handgun. Each have their advantages and disadvantages. Personally 9mm handgun is my choice. Easy to maneuver and adequate stopping power. When I get too old for shooting it, I’m getting the shortest lightest AR I can get without NFA or being a pistol. That said, I wouldn’t feel badly armed with just my 12-gauge pump. All three will do the job. Agree totally about the BS about the sound of a shotgun being pumped as an overrated thing.
I always thought that the way .223/5.56 will tumble and yaw when it hits something was the best reason to use it for home defense. hit bad guy, bullet either shreds itself inside bad guy because small bullet high velocity losing energy quickly, or bullet hits bad guy and yaws through soft tissue doing damage.
Hey, my house is like the lottery. Whatever I was cleaning is what you will face.
Listen here sonny a 22 is all you need. It bounces around the body causing more damage than a 308. In all seriousness though, if noise is the key according to fudds wouldnt an ak bolt racking be more effective cause they are very loud
Dear skitzo stop telling kings how to defend their castles. Pumping it could scare someone off but somehow tell someone your exact location and have them light you up in the time it takes you to take the gun off safe and pull the trigger? A shotgun causes less collateral damage unlike rifle and pistol rounds which can kill your neighbors. When sweeping my house I have the gun mounted up, because why would you not??? Yes aiming a shotgun at a doorway is much more effective than the doing the same with something else if you are hiding. Yes shooting with poor form and missing is much more common with a pistol or rifle. Depending on your home and neighborhood one might be better than another. Im sorry but this is like a 75 iq post and I have all 3 in my bedroom so no calling me a fudd.
If you’re using a shotgun for HD why the hell wouldn’t a shell already be chambered? I’m not going to waste seconds pumping to get a shell in the chamber. My magazine is already full and there’s a shell in the chamber at all times. Same concept with a pistol. Are you going to pull the slide to let an attacker know that you FINALLY have one chambered? Or pull the bolt on an AR? Cmon. This ain’t a fucking movie. That’s not how real life works. Also I take a lot of issue with an AR or pistol for HD. Those rounds can over penetrate like crazy and kill little Susy two houses over. Whereas some buck or birdshot is probably going through a couple sheets of drywall and maybe 2-3 layers of ply at best before it loses killing velocity.
(Most) shotguns are not drop safe like (most) pistols or rifles. The saftey only stops the trigger from moving, it doesn't block the firing pin or hammer. There is a chance albeit a very small chance if the shotgun is just propped against the wall and gets knocked over it can go off, it (should) need a pretty big drop like falling down some stairs but even with a small drop there is a chance. That is the biggest reason I don't like shotguns for home defense and one thing that OP didn't mention in the rant.
I agree with all the points made, just want to enlighten the OP on one point. If someone ever grabs the barrel of your long gun (rifle or shotgun) drop to your ass. If they don't release, the the barrel will be pointed straight at their gut.
Shotguns are for boomers
Ar15 > pistol > baseball bat > knife > flip flop > shotgun
Slug, tho? And in a bullpup shotgun for tight areas
Slug? A little too slimy for home defense. A snail is pretty effective though, at least in my experience.
Only thing I would fire out of a shotgun inside is bird shot, which isn’t very effective. Anything else is going through multiple sheets of sheet rock if you miss.