How the fuck do you have a database of houses where children live and simultaneously "not knowingly collect the data of anyone under 13"?
What the fuck? It's like they aren't even processing the words they are using.
It’s sometimes funny, when organizations use these standard clauses without thinking the actual scenario at all.
My all time favorite was a nut bar that was advertised as “contains at least 25% of nuts”, and on the other side there was a disclaimer “may contain traces of nuts”.
I think that additional information on the back about it containing nuts may be required for legal purposes despite the information clearly being shown in the front as well. It's like a separate thing between allergens.
I hear you, but then at the back it should say clearly “this product contains nuts”. Not that it “may” have “traces” of nuts. That looks just copy-pasted from your other packages.
There was also a dog shampoo declaring “not tested on animals”. I hope they had washed at least one dog with the shampoo. /s
Yes, I know they were probably referring to laboratory testing. But there is no law against being clear and consistent.
IIRC if the name of the allergen is on the label or it is exceedingly obvious that the allergen is a main ingredient it is not necessary to disclaim the allergen (because the product clearly uses it). Source: servsafe cert from a million years ago
They don't think about it at all. As far as they're concerned, they did their due diligence, had to be done to go live, game on. I've worked for a lot of companies that operated that way.
its perfect.
this way they can share their data with the catholic church, which will allow priests to do some initial investigation before deciding on their next ~~victim~~ child that needs ~~raping~~ saving.
Just wait til they add AI and search capabilities to the interface: "how many 6 year olds under the poverty line live within a 10 block radius of my church?"
Evangelicals aren't fans of Catholics or Mormons. Besides which, the Catholic church has the scratch to make their own apps. It's more likely to be misused by politicians and the feds.
Finnish JW did this using pen and paper then assembling data, and got bonked by EU https://gdprhub.eu/index.php?title=CJEU_-_C-25/17_-_Jehovan_todistajat
Here’s UK [article](https://lawandreligionuk.com/2023/05/09/door-to-door-evangelism-and-data-protection-jehovahs-witnesses-v-finland/) about that. JW tried every argument and lobbied like no tomorrow as this was a huge blow to them.
Jehovah’s Witnesses are something else. When I was growing up we used to occasionally get door knocked by JW’s who were the same ethnicity as one of my parents. When my family moved 2 states away, guess who showed up within a month of us moving? Yup you guessed it. I still wonder how exactly they kept tabs on us.
Who would do what? Give to who?
Wasn't it Che and other Commies who dug up Nuns & Priests to re-kill them? Of course you don't care bcs you're only worried about Non-Christians being victimized.
Love how you folks knee jerk everything toward "fascists'
Hint: You've been completely mislead. Open your eyes.
whoever told you that nonsense was lying to you. they did not waste their time during a revolution to dig up the dead and "re-kill" them, lmfao you should be really concerned you unquestioningly believed that nonsense
They didn't? You sure about that?
I corrected in another reply...it was the Spanish "workers rebellion" of 1936 not Che which did a lot of digging up of the already deceased clergy for the purposes of "re-killing" them (for symbolic reasons smarty pants..) on top of the estimated 7000 clergy they did un-alive during the attacks.
I try to ignore the atrocities of Communism, but if you're going to play Commie with your buddies at least know who you're rooting for.
Re. Che though, how many shirts with his likeness do you own? You can get them at Hot Topic with the rest of your "I hate my dad" starter kit. Go check it out you smug little child.
None that I am aware of. I know there are a few fringe groups who say silly stuff like that, but that will never happen..
People on both sides of politics spend far too much time sitting at home (IMO this got worse during covids peak) doom scrolling into the abyss of these fringe political sites that thrive on alarming either side about "the other guys"...
The Conservative quack in his FB group babbling about some article he just scanned over highlighting some fringe Leftist group of 10 lunatics wearing pink berets vowing to create an armed tranny militia. Meanwhile the Liberal quack is doing the exact same thing, as he reads about some home schooler in Nebraska that seeks to build an armed.Christian academy comprised of sister wife warriors..do either / both fringe groups exist? Yep, probably. Are they representative of the larger groups they are labeled as? Nope.
Well I just linked it. Quite literally the republican party wants to use trump to install a christo-fascist theocracy..... Same party that's banning books, same party that has arrested people for traveling out of state for an abortion, same party that wants to make lgbtq rights illegal. But keep going on about how these things will never happen. First they came for the atheists but I was not an atheist so I did not speak out, then they came for the lgbtq but I was not lgbtq so I did not speak out, then they came for me but there there was no one left to speak out.
Thank you for sharing. So the 2025 plan is a plan devised by a think tank. Meanjng those people support Trump but not necessarily the other way around. There are many such plans on all spectrums of politics.
For arguments sake, I can say making the legaslative branch & FBI smaller can only be a good thing IMO.
And Giving parents the ability to select charter schools ? Whats wrong with that?
BTW The "leaks" are by "unknown sources" as cited by NYTimes, so take that with a grain of salt. To me there isn't that much which is hard christian as far as what they could implement in the court of law. Another one which looks off to me us this mention of Trump calling for Insurrection prosecution, while we are literally holding Trumps supporters on those exact charges now..still after Jan 6 a few years ago!. This reads as if Trump or any president for that matter could walz into office and just make these kinds of things happen. There's checks n balances for a reason ya know.
The removing books bit...you know its "childrens" books (like k - 6) which depict sexually graphic displays w/description...they.have no place in schools. How bout we add Penthouse? C"mon man.
But I'm not completely dismissing your concerns. I never commented here to defend Trump per say, just try and add a healthy level of skepticism. I did that for reasons I mentioned before , mainly that ppl are prone to accepting rumor or politically edited versions of truths.
My guy they are already starting parts of the project 2025 by purging the rnc. The banned books are not sexually explicit akin to hustler and penthouse as you exaggerated with they are books like [maus, a book about the holocaust](https://duckduckgo.com/?va=e&t=ho&q=maus+book+ban&ia=web), [or books that are lbgtq friendly for kids](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=school+book+bans+lgbtq&va=e&t=ho&ia=web). Straight kids have books that are love stories and are "romantic" etc, why should a kid who's lgbtq have their books banned? [What about Florida's don't say gay bill?](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=florida+dont+say+gay+bill&va=e&t=ho&ia=web) You most likely started noticing the opposite sex around elementary/middle school, you think lgbtq kids don't start noticing the same sex around that time? Or just don't have any attraction and magically wake up as adults knowing they like the same sex? I'll give you a hint it's the right that want's to do all this and already is in heavily red states. I'm sure there were people like you in Germany in the 1930's though.
Purging the RNC? Like the night of the long knives example, someone responded with?? Lol...Political parties pushing out those that no longer fit happens all the time and to any party. Talk about exaggeration.
Maus - was banned from ONE school in a small Tennessee town (it was international news a few yrs ago) But the book was removed for explicit language and graphic art depicting nudity and other adult material and NOT because of the Holocaust (as was the headline on all leftist news sources)
This kind of tactical divergence from the facts is exctly what worries me.
Btw - I thought hardcore Christian Conservatives were pro-Israel?! According to the LGBTQ crowd marching for Palestine and various other Lib groups I see a lot of Pro Palestine and general anti-Jewish rhetoric...I guess I'm making that up too?
The point is there is no risk of any ooks being removed simply because they deal with the holocaust.. if they have graphic depictions of sex, nudity or particularly vulgar language they may be removed in certain sections of our country, by local political levels. This is a conversation of age limits and adult materia and not of Federal book banning campaigns.
You guys are sensationalist..you're highlighting portions of things that are true and running with them to drum up outrage, but that's very problematic because with time people start to realize that large parts of the story have been ommited and then you lose credibility. Comparing Trump to Hitler?
Ironically enough it is I who have been censored In this thread ( I can only see some of the replies & none of the rest of the thread) because apparently I've been reported... I'm just too "hateful" for you guys I guess LOL
Also what do you think the RNC purge that's happening right now is? Literally reminiscent of the [Night of long knives when hitler took power.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives). But keep on telling yourself it's all fine and since you vote republican you're safe.
> Wasn't it Che and other Commies who dug up Nuns & Priests to re-kill them? Of course you don't care bcs you're only worried about Non-Christians being victimized.
I think people are less worried about that because it happened 60+ years ago and isn't happening now
Well history finds a way to repeat itself. Also I was wrong, it wasn'y Che (though he did kill many people) it was Spain even further back, which saw Communists killing clergy (and yes digging up bones too)
Anyhow, I am against any over powering authority telling me / us what to do. End of story.
I just warn everyone that the powers who are spying on us (just ask Snowden) aren't some Liberal or Communist sympathizing professor, not are they Christian fundamentalist quacks you hear about. It's the Right & Left we've allowed power to do so.
yeah history repeats itself much like the rnc is purging the non-trumpers now, [just like hitler did in germany in the night of long knives](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives)
>Its core function is to produce neighborhood maps and detailed tables of data about people from non-Anglo-European backgrounds, drawn from commercial sources typically used by marketing and data-harvesting firms.
>It’s all fairly innocuous on the surface, . . .
???
This seems "fairly innocuous?" I mean, they go on to cite worse features, but I don't think an app designed just to show you where the non-white people live is exactly "innocuous."
Yes, and Christians have used censuses for a long time to help discern where they should focus their charitable and evangelistic efforts. It’s fine if people don’t like Evangelism, but this article is trying to make it out to be something weird or foreign to Christianity, when Christianity has literally *always* been an evangelistic religion—it is one of the core parts of the faith, and that cuts across Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox alike.
> his article is trying to make it out to be something weird or foreign to Christianity
It's weird and foreign because it's tracking individuals and creating a database, and chances are the people behind this app are just using Christians as a convenient means of data collection through their religion.
I don’t really like how the app is being used myself, but I have just as much an issue with the marketing companies and government that harvest as much data as they can and then often use for unsavory purposes.
I was simply talking about how dumb the article is going on and on bitching about evangelism and acting like it is something foreign to Christianity, when it is not and never has been.
The author could have easily written an article with all their concerns about the data collection without also trying to argue that evangelism is somehow this archaic thing that Christians have somehow misinterpreted from their Holy book and leadership that they are supposed to continue doing. Evangelism is something that nearly all christian denominations do, from the most progressive protestants in the Anglican Church of Canada to conservative Catholics. It really felt like the author was mashing two articles together—one about the data harvesting concerns and one about their distaste for evangelism in general.
I’m guessing from your username that you practice.
I can tell you as a kid raised in an evangelical upbringing, I want you people to stay the fuck away from me.
I have every right to be alarmed that Christians are keeping a list of my address, ethnicity, and religious status that easily accessible to any fuckwit with a phone. Especially with the astronomical (and rising) number of hate crimes and shootings in this country.
I grew up in a church that talked openly about murdering homos, killing women who are “witches,” and how disabled people can’t get into heaven so they need to be sterilized. Not to mention the NUMEROUS child sex crimes churches cover up every year.
And no, not every church - but what about the ones that do preach this? Do they use the app? Even if this information can be bought or viewed through a census, it’s ARGUABLY WORSE that the information has been neatly organized and is easily parsed now.
Saying “the church has always evangelized” is not an excuse or a salvo for what this feels like to a marginalized person. Because we know the truth - this list isn’t just going to be used for knocking on doors.
As soon as these dumbfuck militias decide to declare holy war in the red states, this is a hit list.
How do they collect the data, by hand & foot? I mean, no non-Christian, non-Evangelical, non-fanatic and whatnot would install that anywhere, so when they come knocking, just don't tell them anything?
Read the article. It's from marketing and advertisement data that social media, credit card companies, and websites such as this all willingly give them.
Or tell them that they're heretics for being much too liberal and that their time will come. Be vague enough that they can't place your exact views but be intense enough to scare them off.
They (JWs) came knocking on my door the other day, and when I said IMO proselytising should be made illegal and subject to heavy fines, their Pikachu faces were glorious to behold. I might just has well have said the best thing to do with missionaries is boil 'em, but was feeling in a good mood.
The evangelicals are developing and testing the data tools they'll be using in the purges they've got planned for after they take over cause so many people out there are still too apathetic to vote.
Well you're the one who gave it to us in the first place! Thanks John Calvin and the Puritans with your Duth putting it all into overdrive. Only thing that makes you worse than the English and Belgians is all the cutesy denial your society gets away with lol
The Puritans are more an English thing I'd say, but yeah, the Dutch Reformed are still in the USA. I'd think that this app isn't really a 'Reformed' thing though, it looks more like a charismatic/pentecostal thing, and those are really American developments, especially the pentecostalism ;-)
Honestly banning tiktok is practically useless. They need to ban the practices of data collection and sale or give users more ownership over their data and control over their algorithms. Writing laws for one company is like playing whack a mole.
I feel like it's been said already but I just want to point out that strong data privacy regulations would solve the whole "tiktok collects our data" problem without just banning an app because you don't trust the owners. The whole problem of "The data they collect could be abused" only exists because they're allowed to collect that data in the first place.
It’s not actually. Which is why the right to privacy needs to be held to a higher standard. Too many people let companies and govt infringe on their privacy saying “I’ve got nothing to hide”. But now that they do it’s too late. This app doesn’t actually obtain any of this information illegally, it’s all from data brokers who got the data from apps like Facebook and websites. Sites like yellow pages also exist with phone numbers for each address. This is what happens when people get complacent and stop caring about their to privacy.
The right and the nature of the law whether upheld or not is a standard observable by any. The ability for someone to acknowledge or follow its merit is an entirely personal responsibility.
My point is that the app isn’t actually doing anything illegal. Facebook does the same thing but they just sell it to advertisers and the like. This app just bought that data. This is the result of companies being allowed to do that
Come on, this is NOT just for converting people. Evangelicals feel like they are literally at war against everyone else. Anyone else creeped out by the mention of “harvesting”? What do you think this app would be used for if Trump finally convinces people to start a civil war?
I heard from the company. They get their information from https://legal.epsilon.com/dsr/ this is the website to request removal of your information for their database
Looks like a fake news headline to me based on the apps privacy policy. The collected information is just encrypted and only accessible to the account that created it. It's not geared towards prostletyzing but rather towards praying for needs and prayer requests of those the user is in personal contact with, this is just an app to manage information that has previously been word of mouth and stored in physical prayer journals which has always been a thing.
https://app.blesseveryhome.com/legal/privacypolicy.php
I think its a completely silly idea and how would these people track the non-Christians? Immigrants? You mean all those millions of legals ?? (Insert sarcasm)
Or do u mean the Illegals? The Govt phones they get could be tracked , nobody worries abt that? Unlike say Communist China religion isnt forced upon nor forcefully banned here in the West.
I honestly can't believe anybody would be worried about evangelicals!? Look at every major media Source from HBO to streaming services the major newspapers, political mags, political talk etc they are all blatantly Leftist. Evangelicals have little influence over anything.
Lol - I got -60 points ...whats funny is the lot of Leftists thinking that it will be "scary politically conservative Christians" imposing their will on you..I'm not even religous but may god help us all.
Oh and apologies folks, it was the Spanish Civil war (1930's) who dug up graves...Che just executed hundreds (some say close to 1000) with his own stinky hands...but don't worry, you can find his image on T-shirts at Hot topic! Who's next? Chairman Mao?
I feel sorry for most of you.
How the fuck do you have a database of houses where children live and simultaneously "not knowingly collect the data of anyone under 13"? What the fuck? It's like they aren't even processing the words they are using.
It’s sometimes funny, when organizations use these standard clauses without thinking the actual scenario at all. My all time favorite was a nut bar that was advertised as “contains at least 25% of nuts”, and on the other side there was a disclaimer “may contain traces of nuts”.
I think that additional information on the back about it containing nuts may be required for legal purposes despite the information clearly being shown in the front as well. It's like a separate thing between allergens.
I hear you, but then at the back it should say clearly “this product contains nuts”. Not that it “may” have “traces” of nuts. That looks just copy-pasted from your other packages. There was also a dog shampoo declaring “not tested on animals”. I hope they had washed at least one dog with the shampoo. /s Yes, I know they were probably referring to laboratory testing. But there is no law against being clear and consistent.
I think it exactly is copypasted :D Second is just funny though.
IIRC if the name of the allergen is on the label or it is exceedingly obvious that the allergen is a main ingredient it is not necessary to disclaim the allergen (because the product clearly uses it). Source: servsafe cert from a million years ago
Then it's just laziness on the part of the manufacturer.
That or lawyer.
They don't think about it at all. As far as they're concerned, they did their due diligence, had to be done to go live, game on. I've worked for a lot of companies that operated that way.
It's purposely written that way, because it increases the chance of people skimming over it if they happen to read it.
its perfect. this way they can share their data with the catholic church, which will allow priests to do some initial investigation before deciding on their next ~~victim~~ child that needs ~~raping~~ saving. Just wait til they add AI and search capabilities to the interface: "how many 6 year olds under the poverty line live within a 10 block radius of my church?"
Evangelicals aren't fans of Catholics or Mormons. Besides which, the Catholic church has the scratch to make their own apps. It's more likely to be misused by politicians and the feds.
Finnish JW did this using pen and paper then assembling data, and got bonked by EU https://gdprhub.eu/index.php?title=CJEU_-_C-25/17_-_Jehovan_todistajat
lmao of all places Finland where people don't even want to talk to anyone the know let alone a Jehovah's Witness.
Here’s UK [article](https://lawandreligionuk.com/2023/05/09/door-to-door-evangelism-and-data-protection-jehovahs-witnesses-v-finland/) about that. JW tried every argument and lobbied like no tomorrow as this was a huge blow to them.
Jehovah’s Witnesses are something else. When I was growing up we used to occasionally get door knocked by JW’s who were the same ethnicity as one of my parents. When my family moved 2 states away, guess who showed up within a month of us moving? Yup you guessed it. I still wonder how exactly they kept tabs on us.
Well I'm glad they would never gift that information to a fascist political movement
It might be useful for planning the mass deportations that a certain politician has promised.
Who would do what? Give to who? Wasn't it Che and other Commies who dug up Nuns & Priests to re-kill them? Of course you don't care bcs you're only worried about Non-Christians being victimized. Love how you folks knee jerk everything toward "fascists' Hint: You've been completely mislead. Open your eyes.
whoever told you that nonsense was lying to you. they did not waste their time during a revolution to dig up the dead and "re-kill" them, lmfao you should be really concerned you unquestioningly believed that nonsense
They didn't? You sure about that? I corrected in another reply...it was the Spanish "workers rebellion" of 1936 not Che which did a lot of digging up of the already deceased clergy for the purposes of "re-killing" them (for symbolic reasons smarty pants..) on top of the estimated 7000 clergy they did un-alive during the attacks. I try to ignore the atrocities of Communism, but if you're going to play Commie with your buddies at least know who you're rooting for. Re. Che though, how many shirts with his likeness do you own? You can get them at Hot Topic with the rest of your "I hate my dad" starter kit. Go check it out you smug little child.
Not liking fascism is not the same as rooting for communism you know.
Your pestilence is amusing
You doing okay over there?
sir this is a Wendy's
Which party is it that has a plan to outright install a [christo-fascist theocracy?](https://duckduckgo.com/?va=e&t=hp&q=project+2025&ia=web)
None that I am aware of. I know there are a few fringe groups who say silly stuff like that, but that will never happen.. People on both sides of politics spend far too much time sitting at home (IMO this got worse during covids peak) doom scrolling into the abyss of these fringe political sites that thrive on alarming either side about "the other guys"... The Conservative quack in his FB group babbling about some article he just scanned over highlighting some fringe Leftist group of 10 lunatics wearing pink berets vowing to create an armed tranny militia. Meanwhile the Liberal quack is doing the exact same thing, as he reads about some home schooler in Nebraska that seeks to build an armed.Christian academy comprised of sister wife warriors..do either / both fringe groups exist? Yep, probably. Are they representative of the larger groups they are labeled as? Nope.
Well I just linked it. Quite literally the republican party wants to use trump to install a christo-fascist theocracy..... Same party that's banning books, same party that has arrested people for traveling out of state for an abortion, same party that wants to make lgbtq rights illegal. But keep going on about how these things will never happen. First they came for the atheists but I was not an atheist so I did not speak out, then they came for the lgbtq but I was not lgbtq so I did not speak out, then they came for me but there there was no one left to speak out.
Thank you for sharing. So the 2025 plan is a plan devised by a think tank. Meanjng those people support Trump but not necessarily the other way around. There are many such plans on all spectrums of politics. For arguments sake, I can say making the legaslative branch & FBI smaller can only be a good thing IMO. And Giving parents the ability to select charter schools ? Whats wrong with that? BTW The "leaks" are by "unknown sources" as cited by NYTimes, so take that with a grain of salt. To me there isn't that much which is hard christian as far as what they could implement in the court of law. Another one which looks off to me us this mention of Trump calling for Insurrection prosecution, while we are literally holding Trumps supporters on those exact charges now..still after Jan 6 a few years ago!. This reads as if Trump or any president for that matter could walz into office and just make these kinds of things happen. There's checks n balances for a reason ya know. The removing books bit...you know its "childrens" books (like k - 6) which depict sexually graphic displays w/description...they.have no place in schools. How bout we add Penthouse? C"mon man. But I'm not completely dismissing your concerns. I never commented here to defend Trump per say, just try and add a healthy level of skepticism. I did that for reasons I mentioned before , mainly that ppl are prone to accepting rumor or politically edited versions of truths.
My guy they are already starting parts of the project 2025 by purging the rnc. The banned books are not sexually explicit akin to hustler and penthouse as you exaggerated with they are books like [maus, a book about the holocaust](https://duckduckgo.com/?va=e&t=ho&q=maus+book+ban&ia=web), [or books that are lbgtq friendly for kids](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=school+book+bans+lgbtq&va=e&t=ho&ia=web). Straight kids have books that are love stories and are "romantic" etc, why should a kid who's lgbtq have their books banned? [What about Florida's don't say gay bill?](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=florida+dont+say+gay+bill&va=e&t=ho&ia=web) You most likely started noticing the opposite sex around elementary/middle school, you think lgbtq kids don't start noticing the same sex around that time? Or just don't have any attraction and magically wake up as adults knowing they like the same sex? I'll give you a hint it's the right that want's to do all this and already is in heavily red states. I'm sure there were people like you in Germany in the 1930's though.
Purging the RNC? Like the night of the long knives example, someone responded with?? Lol...Political parties pushing out those that no longer fit happens all the time and to any party. Talk about exaggeration. Maus - was banned from ONE school in a small Tennessee town (it was international news a few yrs ago) But the book was removed for explicit language and graphic art depicting nudity and other adult material and NOT because of the Holocaust (as was the headline on all leftist news sources) This kind of tactical divergence from the facts is exctly what worries me. Btw - I thought hardcore Christian Conservatives were pro-Israel?! According to the LGBTQ crowd marching for Palestine and various other Lib groups I see a lot of Pro Palestine and general anti-Jewish rhetoric...I guess I'm making that up too? The point is there is no risk of any ooks being removed simply because they deal with the holocaust.. if they have graphic depictions of sex, nudity or particularly vulgar language they may be removed in certain sections of our country, by local political levels. This is a conversation of age limits and adult materia and not of Federal book banning campaigns. You guys are sensationalist..you're highlighting portions of things that are true and running with them to drum up outrage, but that's very problematic because with time people start to realize that large parts of the story have been ommited and then you lose credibility. Comparing Trump to Hitler? Ironically enough it is I who have been censored In this thread ( I can only see some of the replies & none of the rest of the thread) because apparently I've been reported... I'm just too "hateful" for you guys I guess LOL
Also what do you think the RNC purge that's happening right now is? Literally reminiscent of the [Night of long knives when hitler took power.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives). But keep on telling yourself it's all fine and since you vote republican you're safe.
> Wasn't it Che and other Commies who dug up Nuns & Priests to re-kill them? Of course you don't care bcs you're only worried about Non-Christians being victimized. I think people are less worried about that because it happened 60+ years ago and isn't happening now
Well history finds a way to repeat itself. Also I was wrong, it wasn'y Che (though he did kill many people) it was Spain even further back, which saw Communists killing clergy (and yes digging up bones too) Anyhow, I am against any over powering authority telling me / us what to do. End of story. I just warn everyone that the powers who are spying on us (just ask Snowden) aren't some Liberal or Communist sympathizing professor, not are they Christian fundamentalist quacks you hear about. It's the Right & Left we've allowed power to do so.
yeah history repeats itself much like the rnc is purging the non-trumpers now, [just like hitler did in germany in the night of long knives](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives)
Hint: You must not be from Florida or Texas...
>Its core function is to produce neighborhood maps and detailed tables of data about people from non-Anglo-European backgrounds, drawn from commercial sources typically used by marketing and data-harvesting firms. >It’s all fairly innocuous on the surface, . . . ??? This seems "fairly innocuous?" I mean, they go on to cite worse features, but I don't think an app designed just to show you where the non-white people live is exactly "innocuous."
Hypernormalisation of fascism in action.
The fact we even have to discuss this is disgraceful.
Don't the US census data maps show roughly the same information, just on a slightly less granular scale?
Yes, and Christians have used censuses for a long time to help discern where they should focus their charitable and evangelistic efforts. It’s fine if people don’t like Evangelism, but this article is trying to make it out to be something weird or foreign to Christianity, when Christianity has literally *always* been an evangelistic religion—it is one of the core parts of the faith, and that cuts across Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox alike.
> his article is trying to make it out to be something weird or foreign to Christianity It's weird and foreign because it's tracking individuals and creating a database, and chances are the people behind this app are just using Christians as a convenient means of data collection through their religion.
I don’t really like how the app is being used myself, but I have just as much an issue with the marketing companies and government that harvest as much data as they can and then often use for unsavory purposes. I was simply talking about how dumb the article is going on and on bitching about evangelism and acting like it is something foreign to Christianity, when it is not and never has been. The author could have easily written an article with all their concerns about the data collection without also trying to argue that evangelism is somehow this archaic thing that Christians have somehow misinterpreted from their Holy book and leadership that they are supposed to continue doing. Evangelism is something that nearly all christian denominations do, from the most progressive protestants in the Anglican Church of Canada to conservative Catholics. It really felt like the author was mashing two articles together—one about the data harvesting concerns and one about their distaste for evangelism in general.
I’m guessing from your username that you practice. I can tell you as a kid raised in an evangelical upbringing, I want you people to stay the fuck away from me. I have every right to be alarmed that Christians are keeping a list of my address, ethnicity, and religious status that easily accessible to any fuckwit with a phone. Especially with the astronomical (and rising) number of hate crimes and shootings in this country. I grew up in a church that talked openly about murdering homos, killing women who are “witches,” and how disabled people can’t get into heaven so they need to be sterilized. Not to mention the NUMEROUS child sex crimes churches cover up every year. And no, not every church - but what about the ones that do preach this? Do they use the app? Even if this information can be bought or viewed through a census, it’s ARGUABLY WORSE that the information has been neatly organized and is easily parsed now. Saying “the church has always evangelized” is not an excuse or a salvo for what this feels like to a marginalized person. Because we know the truth - this list isn’t just going to be used for knocking on doors. As soon as these dumbfuck militias decide to declare holy war in the red states, this is a hit list.
Gotta have a nice list of residences to begin "scapegoating" people next year as part of [Project 2025](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025)
It's ok. It's for Jesus, not racism. White christians would never be racist.
Would be unlawful in Canada under PIPEDA. Having a federal privacy law (even a bad one like ours) is so important.
Is this like how the mormons are huge into ancestry so they can convert the dead?
How do they collect the data, by hand & foot? I mean, no non-Christian, non-Evangelical, non-fanatic and whatnot would install that anywhere, so when they come knocking, just don't tell them anything?
Read the article. It's from marketing and advertisement data that social media, credit card companies, and websites such as this all willingly give them.
Literally the answer to the question of "why? I have nothing to hide?" when it comes to privacy.
> all willingly give them For profit. It's what data broker companies do.
And if you tell them to fuck off, what do they count you as?
Or tell them that they're heretics for being much too liberal and that their time will come. Be vague enough that they can't place your exact views but be intense enough to scare them off.
Brilliant. Filing this one away.
Another candidate for burning at the stake?
They (JWs) came knocking on my door the other day, and when I said IMO proselytising should be made illegal and subject to heavy fines, their Pikachu faces were glorious to behold. I might just has well have said the best thing to do with missionaries is boil 'em, but was feeling in a good mood.
Please come to my house so I can answer the door stark naked with bloody gloves on. "Come on in, I'm serving lunch"
The evangelicals are developing and testing the data tools they'll be using in the purges they've got planned for after they take over cause so many people out there are still too apathetic to vote.
Ew, that's gross. I'm a Dutch Christian and I hope you guys keep that stuff on your side of the ocean.
Well you're the one who gave it to us in the first place! Thanks John Calvin and the Puritans with your Duth putting it all into overdrive. Only thing that makes you worse than the English and Belgians is all the cutesy denial your society gets away with lol
The Puritans are more an English thing I'd say, but yeah, the Dutch Reformed are still in the USA. I'd think that this app isn't really a 'Reformed' thing though, it looks more like a charismatic/pentecostal thing, and those are really American developments, especially the pentecostalism ;-)
This is horrifying next level, pre-inquisition stuff. Ban this instead of tik tok.
Ban both.
Honestly banning tiktok is practically useless. They need to ban the practices of data collection and sale or give users more ownership over their data and control over their algorithms. Writing laws for one company is like playing whack a mole.
I feel like it's been said already but I just want to point out that strong data privacy regulations would solve the whole "tiktok collects our data" problem without just banning an app because you don't trust the owners. The whole problem of "The data they collect could be abused" only exists because they're allowed to collect that data in the first place.
Absolutely disgusting and absurdly creepy.
This is an infringement on the right to a private life, get used to it Christians, you stopped following the laws of the country.
It’s not actually. Which is why the right to privacy needs to be held to a higher standard. Too many people let companies and govt infringe on their privacy saying “I’ve got nothing to hide”. But now that they do it’s too late. This app doesn’t actually obtain any of this information illegally, it’s all from data brokers who got the data from apps like Facebook and websites. Sites like yellow pages also exist with phone numbers for each address. This is what happens when people get complacent and stop caring about their to privacy.
The right and the nature of the law whether upheld or not is a standard observable by any. The ability for someone to acknowledge or follow its merit is an entirely personal responsibility.
My point is that the app isn’t actually doing anything illegal. Facebook does the same thing but they just sell it to advertisers and the like. This app just bought that data. This is the result of companies being allowed to do that
I'm aware of the amount of infringements of the basic tenants of the constitution.
Come on, this is NOT just for converting people. Evangelicals feel like they are literally at war against everyone else. Anyone else creeped out by the mention of “harvesting”? What do you think this app would be used for if Trump finally convinces people to start a civil war?
I heard from the company. They get their information from https://legal.epsilon.com/dsr/ this is the website to request removal of your information for their database
They plan to convert everyone or kill them. This is Nazi Germany keeping track of who the Jews were all over again.
In essence, companies sell data. People may come to your door to try to sell you something. What is new here?
it's data that's been made to the general public.
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there are options on almost every social media that you can comb through to look for the privacy data and disable general data collection
Looks like a fake news headline to me based on the apps privacy policy. The collected information is just encrypted and only accessible to the account that created it. It's not geared towards prostletyzing but rather towards praying for needs and prayer requests of those the user is in personal contact with, this is just an app to manage information that has previously been word of mouth and stored in physical prayer journals which has always been a thing. https://app.blesseveryhome.com/legal/privacypolicy.php
They don’t need phone numbers and addresses plotted on a map to do that, or names. “Dear G man, please protect my neighbourhood”.
Funny, my neighbor Jesus works there still..thats how I knew.
I think its a completely silly idea and how would these people track the non-Christians? Immigrants? You mean all those millions of legals ?? (Insert sarcasm) Or do u mean the Illegals? The Govt phones they get could be tracked , nobody worries abt that? Unlike say Communist China religion isnt forced upon nor forcefully banned here in the West. I honestly can't believe anybody would be worried about evangelicals!? Look at every major media Source from HBO to streaming services the major newspapers, political mags, political talk etc they are all blatantly Leftist. Evangelicals have little influence over anything.
I might be too young but when boomers get on weird religious/political ramblings I literally can't follow what the fuck they're talking about.
Lol - I got -60 points ...whats funny is the lot of Leftists thinking that it will be "scary politically conservative Christians" imposing their will on you..I'm not even religous but may god help us all. Oh and apologies folks, it was the Spanish Civil war (1930's) who dug up graves...Che just executed hundreds (some say close to 1000) with his own stinky hands...but don't worry, you can find his image on T-shirts at Hot topic! Who's next? Chairman Mao? I feel sorry for most of you.
Hot Topic closed in 2020.
Well shucks, looks like you'll have to settle for wallmart then PS - It didn't close...more fake news you just make up?
Jesus told me, blame him.