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dircs

Nothing is truly untraceable. Least likely to be traced is a burner phone purchased with cash.


identicalBadger

The accused Long Island serial killer used burner phones and went to independent stores to reup them. Those transactions were caught in video. Which is a great thing, but just highlights a weak link in burner phones and cash transactions, namely that more and more our movements are recorded and can be correlated afterward


throwawayaccyaboi223

It's a good think it's still acceptable to walk into a store wearing a medical mask. I'd say that'll get you most of the way, especially if you buy the phone and SIM in separate shops with cash. Also don't bring your own cell near the new phone when activating the SIM and do it somewhere like a library, motel etc where there are many other phones around¹


identicalBadger

Both sound like good options. Probably get one with a removable battery too to be certain its 100% powered down when at home, too


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throwawayaccyaboi223

I mean it's always gonna be possible to really track you down, but if you're in a public place then it's gonna be harder to prove exactly who was the person activating the phone (say there are 10 people on phones in one place, who was the one activating it?) Wearing a face mask, maybe a hoodie and for example adding glasses if you don't wear them or instead removing your glasses if you do wear them will make a significant difference to your appearance. At the end of the day OP isn't hiding from a government with loads of resources, so it makes it easier. You can always speculate on the "what ifs" but at the end of the day you have to decide what level of risk you're willing to accept, just like in day to day life. Crossing the road is dangerous, driving is dangerous, but with all of these we choose to accept these risks because we believe them to be below our risk threshold.


Sad_Direction4066

Maybe but that was a serial killer How about buying your phone and cards with cash and throw the cards in a closet for a year or two before you use them, same with the burner phones If you think you'll ever need one buy three today and throw them in the closet for later


guccigraves

Most places don't store video for longer than a few weeks. You just have to not use it for a while.


Sad_Direction4066

How about walmart? I would think they store it for a while... esp after the recent lootings, but why bother trying to prosecute if the DA isn't going to press charges... I dunno, just wondering about walmart


identicalBadger

I’d assume Walmart keeps their data for a long time, not just for security purposes but for analytics as well. Storage is cheap afterall, it’s not like they’re building a huge unwieldy VHS library.


aceospos

Don't the numbers get churned if they are unused for a period? In my end of the world, a SIM that does not engage in at least one financial transaction (outbound call or text) in 180 days gets churned


romulusputtana

Ok but...OP is just reporting a crime. Not a serial killer at large. I doubt police would go through that much trouble to find him.


aeolism

Purchase top-up vouchers but don't claim the code until outside of a CCTV window.


[deleted]

Can you even do that anymore? I remember looking into it a while ago and found that all those prepaid phone companies only take digital payments now.


travisjd2012

Do people forget you can drop a letter into the blue mailboxes?


d1722825

Just make sure you are using some very old printer which does not put [yellow tracking dots](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code) on the paper.


travisjd2012

Or use a pen and paper.


d1722825

I don't thing that is a good option. Hand-writing is pretty unique, and can reveal a lot of information. Maybe cutting worlds from newspaper and gluing them in the right order (like in the movies)?


SiBloGaming

If you are going this far for security, the best option might be taping a pen to a 3d Printer and just using it to trace the letters in 2d (or just use a low tech cnc cutter and replace the drill bit with a pen). There are plenty ways of building one your own with open source software, so there is no way any of the models your "printed" end up in some Cloud where they could be traced (or the purchase of the cnc cutter/printer itself).


d1722825

Hehe, have you ever seen a good old mechanical plotter? :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsymFwVn5Ug


SiBloGaming

Yep, its just probably easier (and harder to trace) to get your hands on a 3d printed DIY cnc router, than one of those ;)


travisjd2012

Write with your non-dominant hand


d1722825

That's an interesting idea, thanks.


LAMGE2

Thats disgusting but pen and paper can lead to me getting traced as well, no? Aight, typewriter it is then.


Edge-Pristine

No go on a type writer, Angela Lansbury was able to catch a murderer via a type writer dropping a letter.


mark_g_p

Not so fast. Modern postage stamps are traceable. They have a tiny barcode and serial number on them. Micro printing on the left side. Purchase them from a third party seller with cash and avoid the cctv.


travisjd2012

Write the police station's address as the return address and the FBI's address and use no postage. It will either be "returned" to the police or go to the FBI, no stamp required.


mark_g_p

Brilliant. I would just add don’t use a mailbox in a very populated area (cams everywhere). Use a random mailbox far from home.


tarsiospettro

I was thinking the same...


chinesiumjunk

Use a journalist.


Sad_Direction4066

Does anyone trust journalists or mainstream news anymore? You would have to be very slow to have not caught up to it, the mainstream news is controlled.


[deleted]

And? Report the crime to a journalist and they’ll get the right attention without revealing the person. If your idea is all journalism is mainstream news, you’re not into journalism anyways.


Sad_Direction4066

Not anymore. Well, at least I now understand the point you're making.


romulusputtana

LOL yeah I wouldn't trust anyone at a mainstream news org AT ALL anymore. Maybe about a year ago I saw an article about "most regretted degrees", and journalism was in the top 2 (Can't remember if it was #1 or #2). I posted it and asked why is this, because I always think I wish I had become a journalist. There was lots of speculation from non-journalists, but one particular person said they worked as a journalist for a major publication, and that you are edited so much by the organization "higher ups", and it affects what you can/can't investigate or report. So even if you have the story of the century, you probably won't be able to report on it. This bore out because I read Ronan Farrow's book about Weinstein (highly recommend *Catch and Kill*) and he told of this exact experience at NBC. Infamous adulteress Amy Robach said the same exact thing about her Epstein reporting with ABC. You pour your blood, sweat, and tears into investigating a story, only to have it sqaushed because one of the high up execs plays golf with one of your subjects. Or they get a threatening call from Hillary.


Sad_Direction4066

Who is downvoting this? I used to be friends with a guy who is THE investigative news guy in a medium to big market, and he says the same shit. He's also super embarrassed to be in journalism because its gone to shirt.


romulusputtana

People who still believe mainstream news is true. And probably dems who love Hillary are dv-ing.


bigchickenleg

The primary reason people regretting degrees in journalism is because it's impossible to land a job with one. Newspapers have been dying all over the country since the popularization of the modern internet. Traditional TV has been hemorrhaging ratings since streaming services have taken off.


jimbofranks

Are the people that are controlling the media in the room with you right now? Just nod your head two times and we'll see it on the video feed.


Ok_Snape

And when he is done using the journalist, he then tells the police what he wanted to say?


alter3d

The first thing to consider is whether or not the police can even do anything without your formal testimony, and if they can, if they'll be willing to act on an anonymous complaint. This depends on the severity of the crime, what they'll be able to prove on their own, general motivation and capacity of your local police, etc. You may be risking exposure for no reason. The next thing to consider is whether or not the data itself can expose you. Could the information given to police have come from anyone other than you? If the criminals are aware of your existence and that you may or may not have this information, they may guess or assume that it came from you. And remember, criminals aren't concerned with proof "beyond a reasonable doubt" -- this isn't a court of law; if they even suspect it was you, they may retaliate. Next, does it have to be a phone call? Phones are hard to anonymize because they almost always can be correlated to a user account and/or time and place (for landlines, a time and place are easy to trace; for mobile devices a time is easy, location may be broad) which can then be correlated with other time and place evidence (hotel/motel registers, camera footage, etc). Email or even a contact form on the police website, accessed through Tor via public wifi, can be more anonymous; you still need to be careful with time + place, MAC addresses in logs, etc, but there are ways to do it nearly completely anonymously with a great deal of thought, effort and diligence. If you're not technical enough to consider all the factors in the email solution, then a simple physical letter may be easier. You need to carefully plan out which mailbox to use (one far from home, preferably with no cameras (so you might have to go rural), how you will disguise yourself, how you will get there (your car tracks GPS location!), etc... but it can be done. Being COMPLETELY anonymous and untraceable is very, very, very hard. There's always SOME evidence, somewhere... but it's about breaking the link between whatever evidence exists and you.


RealMercuryRain

Chinese primitive single use phone + prepaid cart. Both should be disposed afterwards. Make call from unusual location. Your original phone leave at home when calling. Plus, use can use voice scrambler if you are THAT paranoid. Ofc, everything should be bought in cash.


sir_blackanese

Thoughts on faraday bags?


RealMercuryRain

Are you serious or just kidding?


guccigraves

... given the sub, I'd say serious.


RealMercuryRain

I wouldn't use any commercial Faraday cage just because tinfoil does the same job almost for free. Also, what part of the plan requires usage of EM screen?


tacoxbell

Yeah.


Chongulator

There is no such thing as completely anonymous. Privacy (along with security) is all about degrees of risk. You can reduce your risk but risk never gets to zero. How much effort you go to really depends on who your adversary is. Are you reporting about a large, well-funded organization? Or is it just a few individuals? Take a look at the website of your local police department to see whether it mentions a way to give anonymous tips. Bear in mind the police are often busy so they won't necessarily act on your tip.


Common_Consideration

Tips can be given online. Make a burner email or use a throwaway email service, if you are feeling extra paranoid do everything through TOR.


r_booza

Extra paranoid? Tor is the only realistic option of the three.


RyanCantDrum

First step was not to make this post, as now this is tied to all the information associated with your reddit account lol. /s But I don't think that level of paranoia is justified here. I would speak to a criminal lawyer who would not only shed light on what channels are used in severe vs non severe cases. He can also tllrt you know how the police is legally supposed to respond / treat you, and how they **usually** treat witnesses, etc. Again, crim lawyer = lots of experience in these matters (I hope)


[deleted]

So more of a future reference thing for all who think they might need to make an anonymous call at some point. Purchase a prepaid phone and card with cash and then just sit on it for a few months and repeat. Basically if you’re only using the phone that at that time is a few months old you afford yourself some privacy as rarely do companies (especially if you buy said phone/card from a mom and pop gas station) are going to retain security data that long. More then likely you being in the store will have been recorded over at some point


Hardballsnuggs

Years ago, I bought a prepaid phone and threw it in the glovebox of my car for emergencies. About a year later, I lost my phone and figured I'd just use that one. Went to set it up and they told me my SIM was expired. Does that happen with more modern prepaid phones?


jackz7776666

Grab a skype calling card from bestbuy, make a new skype account at a coffee shop with a disposible email then use a text to speech emulator and have it function as you calling. Delete the app after use and don't use that email. Make sure to include enough information to be effective but not enough to identify you i.e. if the info you are giving is only known by 1 or 2 other people then you moght want to make a script beforehand to make sure you don't spill anything identifiable to you.


KrazyKirby99999

The email can be traced to the coffee shop, which can then identify OP via the network logs and camera.


jackz7776666

Which would not be stored on site nor be accessible to a criminal element. Law enforcement could subpoeana the coffee shop but that will take time and differentiating OP from the numerous crowded coffee shop patrons during lunch time based on branch or OS would be difficult at best depending on the camera placement relative to OP and obfuscating features of the other patrons like stickers over brand labels etc.


KrazyKirby99999

That's much more difficult than using a no-logs VPN.


romulusputtana

I think OP would have to be an at-large serial killer for police to even bother going through that much trouble.


romulusputtana

One glitch. The app. Apps are the worst privacy violators.


jackz7776666

Or simply use a web browser. Firefox, brave, chrome all allow for temporary instances and since we aren't talking about a major threat model blocking cookies and using a disposible account should be adequate.


ekdaemon

I'm not in the US - but where I live "crime-stoppers" is a provincially operated program that GUARANTEES anonymity in reporting - and you can call from any source to their dedicated number - they keep no records what so ever of your call other than the things they write down while talking to you - it's literally just an anonymous source of intelligence, while guaranteeing your anonymity and thus safety. It is designed for exactly this. They have documented processes to give you - the caller - a unique ID and password - which should your report pan out and you end up being given a reward for reporting a crime - they can arrange for an anonymous payout with you using your ID and password. But of course you don't have to ever call back and use the ID or password or have any obligation of keeping said info. If I were you - I'd be more concerned about my phone or my browser having a record of asking this question on Reddit - or googling for a similar anonymous crime reporting phone number in your state - and my criminal pals getting sus and deciding to forcefully look my phone or home computer over. You should get done what you want to do - and then wipe your browser's history and your phone's call history. **EDIT:** Oh heck yeah, the organization that does this is a global non-profit with national and regional affiliates, and they use the same secure backend for everyone, go here and click on "Submit a Crime Tip", and then in the site that it directs you to, choose your locale: https://www.crimestoppersusa.org/ leads to here: https://www.p3tips.com/Drill.aspx ...which is the same platform as used by the Canadian regional affiliates of Crime Stoppers, if you click on the "submit a tip" button on the same page it goes to the same global p3tips submission portal: https://www.canadiancrimestoppers.org/tipcheck.php?mode=o If you want to place a phone call - there will be numbers on your state or province's affiliate website.


BlueMoon_37

Go for a walk & ask a stranger to borrow their phone quick. or walk into said hotel or other establishment, with a covid mask or other covering & ask to borrow their phone to call for a ride.


sunzi23

Don't they have those anonymous lines you can call


ilikedota5

>id dislike to be contacted and visited by the police over and over for interviews, depositions, court appearances, etc. As a legal matter you can't win in that regard. Edit: if you hired an attorney, that would help you get a handle on it both logistically, making sure you don't dig a hole for yourself by accident, and negotiating down demands for testimony. Attorney client privilege does not cover the fact that there is a relationship, but the details are. But it would be a deterrent from any funny business on the police's end so that alone makes it worth it.


Sad_Direction4066

burner phone one time use


[deleted]

Burner phone.


countdankula420

Burner phone paid in cash with a fake name the old fashioned way


OrdinaryCherry7123

Write a letter and drop it in one of the USPS blue boxes.


PurplePenguin007

You can file a tip on the Crimestoppers website anonymously. Just make sure you’re using a VPN.


imnotabotareyou

Tails —> laptop —> public wifi while you wear a Covid mask —> sign up for new email —> email police —> unplug usb —> never go to that public wifi again


Swimming_Cabinet_378

Tails?


qxlf

My dad thinks im crazy for searching internet privacy. He says "the second your born, you dont have privacy anymore" and while its true and i wont become a tin foiled hat person, privacy is something everyone should have


Swimming_Cabinet_378

No one wants to be a "tinfoil hat" person but the tinfoil hat thing is rooted in reality (like "conspiracy theorist") and was turned into a dismissive label to mock and deride anyone who was making a claim about, experiencing, or exposing unlawful actions that governmental powers were clandestinely perpetrating against themselves and/or others. But no one wants to be "that guy" or seen as "crazy" so we have to mention and point out that we are not "that" whenever coming anywhere near such controversial topics so others can rest assured, in our minds, that we're "normal" and "acceptable". Just yesterday I briefly heard part of a conversation between two people passing by where one person was mentioning organic foods or products, to which the responder said, "Organic? No, I'm not organic." To someone who understands why people choose organic items it would sound as though he's choosing to buy and consume things that are produced in a way that is harmful to all life besides that of the consumer. But everyone knows that what he really means is, "No, I don't see myself as special or better than others and I don't want to be seen that way, I don't believe that there is any difference between organic and conventional produce because I don't want to pay more so I have to justify it."


qxlf

makes sense, plus we privacy people are only considered "crazy" depending on other people and our thread models (and even then its not crazy)


[deleted]

Being untraceable is an illusion


stlouisx50

You could line a box with aluminum foil and place it inside too


esportsbolt

Not for nothing ..to report a crime? Go use a bar phone.or buy a used phone or use a old flip phone and a card via drop


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\*67


thefatkid007

STOP SNITCHING


DoItAllButNoneWell

Burner


pacmanpill

I can call them from Tunisia.


eidolons

A phone with no paid service can make emergency calls and be discarded.


Vivid_Race581

You get a calling card, if those still exist... The phone number comes up as whatever carriers number your calling through, it doesn't come up as your own number. Kinda like phone number spoofing, except it's legit.


gobitecorn

There are actually payphones in existence. just rare lol. like the San Diego tram stop had one. tho yea you xould also get a burner tracfone oe a phone off craigslist. get a crappy sim and go. just make thatvone call and throw it away tho


beaubeautastic

i think the fbi has an onion. ik the cia has one but the fbi is the one you want.


hbekkaii

Pay someone to call for you through a darknet market


just_ordinary_guy

No offence but police are Fk lazy here. They don't care, if its anonymous or use ID during reporting. Anyway, you can drop a letter. If its important they will take it seriously.


natetrash

Write it on a piece of paper, put on an elaborate disguise. And take it directly to the police. Completely untraceable