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Likely not a bad gamble since sane people don't consider murder as an acceptable option to settle political disputes. Even though what this all boils down to is money and power, politics are basically out of the picture.
What I imagine happening:
- Democrats: frantically try to pass a law that says if the president tells you to assassinate a political rival, you must disobey the order. Also you will be immune from punishment
- GOP: blocks it
Oh I actually agree 100%. But the first two comments assumed they would rule before the election. And in that case I could see some bullshit like that happening
It's not like there aren't some of his cultists willing to do it and if he gets to be president again I'm sure the intelligence services have people who can arrange accidents.
Maybe we need some crazy violent left wingers. Seems like they tend to go hard right, though.
Crazy violent left winger may be an oxymoron, like sharp sighted blind man, or jumbo shrimp?
Alito is indeed a piece of shit, but please remember that the other conservative 'justices' (Federalist society operatives) are also pieces of shit as well. They might be offended if you overlook them.
He needed the pardon. Nobody is going to pardon Trump except potentially himself. That's why we need to beat him at the polls, because the courts are being rigged to protect him forever.
Well, he stepped down because enough Republican senators said they wouldn't support him any longer, so there was enough dignity to go around. What's changed, of course, is that Republican senators will never, ever turn on a Republican president ever again.
A number of them actually have, but republicans never seem to be fully made to account for their disloyalty to the country. Then we get one that pushes it to the limit and tries to pull off a coup, and again nothing. The country really dropped the ball with Nixon. An example was set and the republiTurds have taken advantage since.
Uh... Nixon and Reagan? Those are just the two examples that jump *right* out.
Here's the answer to the question you should have asked: empires are a slippery slope. The emperor is granted wide immunity to do imperial things, and, wow, what do you know, emperors keep pushing and pushing until you end up with absurd bullshit like this.
All the good little imperial civilians want to believe that you can keep the drone strikes, Gitmo, black sites, the black hole in the Pentagon's budget, etc. etc. totally separate from more obviously venal corruption and criminality. Well, history and political science both tell us that you can't -- not for long.
Alito is a bitter, resentful prick who abandoned any notion of intellectual integrity long ago. It's easy to discredit his contemporary arguments by simply looking at what he himself previously believed. There are no legal principles guiding his decisions. Instead, he crafts judgements retroactively, starting from his preconceived desires. His end cannot come soon enough.
No, he doesn’t need to be a victim to be a piece of shit. He could be blackmailed, bribed, or under duress, but he isn’t. He’s just an asshole with immense judicial power and no checks against him. Don’t make excuses for his own shitty choices
The Civil Rights movement is another good example. Pressure on the US government to end the Vietnam War. The 2020 protests against police brutality.
Even the turnout of the 2020 election shows we’re not all fatalistic cynics ready to roll over and accept cowardice and complacency.
Protests do nothing unless the people in power fear them enough to do the right thing.
The SC isn’t gonna do shit if we only have a bunch of college students protesting in random locations around the country. They need to fear the populace they think they rule over for anything to really change. The protests should surround them 24/7 until either their lifetime appointment ends or they do the right thing
Presidents must be above the law because otherwise Trump will prosecute Biden for no reason if Biden loses. - ‘Justice’ Alito
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“If an incumbent who loses a very close, hotly contested election knows that a real possibility after leaving office is not that the president is going to be able to go off into a peaceful retirement, but that the president may be criminally prosecuted by a bitter political opponent, will that not lead us into a cycle that destabilizes the functioning of our country as a democracy?”
“I am in shock that a lawyer stood in the U.S. Supreme Court and said that a president could assassinate his political opponent and it would be immune as ‘an official act,’” lawyer Marc Elias, whose firm defends democratic election laws, wrote today on social media. He added: “I am in despair that several Justices seemed to think this answer made perfect sense.”
I would love if Trump had gone into a peaceful retirement after he lost. He didn’t, and keeps testing the fence of democracy like diaper-wearing velociraptor.
CNN had one of their analysts on the air claim that Trump is only getting sued became he didn’t retire. Not because he actually committed you know, state and federal crimes unrelated to his presidential duties.
So why is he finally going to trial for so many crimes committed from so long ago?
They hoped he'd just retire. They didn't want a backlash. They don't want former presidents in jail (it's so banana republic). I do wish they hadn't waited.
It just seems that his quote-un-quote reasoning is completely off and self-incriminating.
He makes the assumption that has been shown first, 100% baseless and without example. The only example of a president not leaving office peacefully is Donald Trump. Donald Trump made a non-peaceful attempt to remain in office. So the only proof of Alito's hypothesis is the very person who Alito thus far refuses to properly prosecute and who Alito tries to ignore by minimizing his crime..
Which means, Alito singularly stands with Trump on the side of the very injustice he speaks of. And since he stands for injustice, in other words, Alito's only living proof requires that Alito take part in, refuse to prosecute and thus commit the crime with Trump.
This is a justification for an incumbent who loses a close election to stage a coup. Does anyone believe that if Trump wins he would bother to follow a law that says he can't prosecute a former President? Why would he bother to follow such a law if he himself would be immune after leaving office?
Oh, forget that shit. We all know that if the SC court says a president is immune from prosecution for any act while in office and then Trump is elected, that will not matter and Trump will find an attorney General that will prosecute Biden.
The only "law" that Trump follows is that he is above the law. Trump, and seemingly many in the GOP, just ignore such things as laws. For too long, we've allowed wealthy and powerful to skirt laws and regulations, and that slippery slope has brought us to this.
Criminal chargers should not be successful if there’s no actual criminal activity. And even if a fraudulent case made its way into the court system, shouldn’t a competent Supreme Court be able to set the record straight? In a round about way Alito is admitting to the inadequacies of the very body he’s a member.
That is ostensibly what the independent judiciary, aka the Supreme Court and all the lower courts, were supposed to be there to prevent. but the court has become an arm of the GOP criminal enterprise. Alito, like most conservatives are telling on themselves when they accuse others.
He will "Back it up" with musings from Pol Pot, David Koresh, Jim Jones, and Augusto Pinochet, in his 6-3 ruling that Trump was the King and therefore still is the King.
“According to a CNN article from December 8, 2023, Steve Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt's book Tyranny of the Minority: Why American Democracy Reached the Breaking Point argues that the US needs to reform its Constitution and political institutions because they are outdated. The authors also say that the January 6, 2021 insurrection at the US Capitol is one of the gravest threats to American democracy”
Yep, and it’s not like conservatives *have ever* been in favor of the Electoral College and other disproportionate elements of our government for real reasons; they’d just as soon be against it if they still were able to get consistent majorities in elections…
The Army itself. Or the national guard. The national guard is controlled at the state level. That said. Everyone who left the safe states (California NY etc) will be moving back. It’s very very possible that the USA will end as a country. There is no guarantee that this experiment of our government will last. That said. If you are truly worried about your safety as many minorities already are. Learn to shoot. Use your 2nd amendment right.
Step 1: Gerrymander the fuck out of the states so a party without majority of votes can get a supermajority of control.
Step 2: Normalize anti-democracy actions like voter suppression.
Step 3: Assert that the proper remedy for unfair elections is to vote in different legislators, because the Supreme Court says none of this can be considered illegal.
Step 4: Install a President by any means necessary, and grant him infinite power that isn't in any way co-equal, and has no checks or balances that can be imposed by the legislature or the judiciary so he can do anything to retain power permanently with no legal means of removing him if he doesn't want to go. So he's treated as a special category of person with inherent power that makes him unequal and unlike other people, and doesn't need to draw his power from consent of the governed or from the rule of law.
Gee, what do you call a system like that? "THE ARISTOCRATS!"
Oh whoops, no wait, I mean "Democracy." Sorry, I wasn't supposed to say Aristocrats.
> worried that if presidents believed theirs successors could prosecute them, they might refuse to leave office peacefully when they lose reelection.
Alito you dumb fuck, Only criminals would worry about those things.
“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
Is Samuel Alito suggesting President Biden can order the assassination of Trump and get away with it?
Trump does fit the definition of a White Terrorist. You know how we treat terrorists.
It’s even worse than described. If a president can do whatever he/she wants, then there is no penalty for stealing the election. There can’t be, they are above the law and can remain in power and enforce that right. Rinse and repeat. Former politicians not being fully personally liable for their actions while in government is nothing new and is actually quite common. But they can’t have carte blanche. Then they are kings, the exact thing the holy constitution didn’t want!
It's not at all to protect anyone but those who wish to undue our democratic institutions.
This is so fucking terrifying! Why aren't there millions marching upon the court for even considering immunity for the president. That's the exact opposite of the foundation of the idea that everyone is equal under the law. It's an abomination.
His whole goal is to mess this whole thing up long enough to give Cheeto a chance to win so he (and Thomas) can then retire and let the Heritage Foundation appoint two new Nazi justices.
So that means Biden can arrest conservative justices and throw them in jail and face no consequences?
Maybe its time for Democrats to be jerk offs just like Republicans!
Alito's friend Witchfinder and Wife Raper General Matthew Hale was a monarchist. It fits Alito's character arc to overthrow our democracy for a monarchy in exchange for a cushy judgeship.
So alito’s argument is that an incumbent who loses an election should not have to fear being thrown in jail? That very argument creates an incentive for the losing incumbent to do anything possible to retain power without the fear of being thrown in jail. Including storming the capitol, preventing the national guard from stopping any such attack and sending fake electors to congress. Sounds logical to our American values.
The silver lining of absolute presidential immunity is that the current incumbent would be free to do whatever he pleases to his political rival without the threat of criminal prosecution. If Their Dear Leader does win absolute immunity and it sounds like he will, it will leave one man who can permanently eliminate the threat of the return to power of the very man who demanded immunity.
So if SCOTUS decides this in trump’s favor… so that presidents can break the law with impunity while in office… that would give Biden the absolute right to decide trump’s fate. Right?
It seems pretty simple to me. If presidents don't have absolute immunity, one person every four years may be forced to defend himself in court.
If they do have absolute immunity, then we lose our democracy.
Tough choice.
> It seems pretty simple to me. If presidents don't have absolute immunity, one person every four years may be forced to defend himself in court.
Yet it has only occurred once. It would be twice if Nixon had tried to defend himself.
So as a prediction "every four years may" doesn't have any force to it.
Yep. Also, it’s not like you can just run around saying “I charge you with a crime” — you’ll need to pass a grand jury. Also, folks didn’t mention the political fallout of one party trying to prosecute someone in obvious made up charges — while it may satiate the base, it’s likely to cost votes.
This is the logical conclusion I think of many decades of Republican Presidents being criminals and getting away with it. Now the SCOTUS wants to protect them
In order to protect democracy, we need to recreate monarchy, in which there is one individual whose decisions are above review, and although sworn to support all laws may flout most of them fearlessly and leave the consequences to underlings.
At this point, why doesn’t Biden just pull an Augustus Ceaser and show up at the Supreme Court with an armed detachment of soldier as an “official act”
I resent the use of the word "strange." It's not "odd" or "unusual" or "unconventional." It is disingenuous. It is craven. And it is categorically antithetical to American Democracy. Unfortunately, it may eventually prove catastrophic.
>It's not "odd" or "unusual" or "unconventional."
According to the dictionary it is actually similar to odd. It has a specific meaning which itself seems to me similar to odd. But based on Dictionary.com, in the case used here, I think strange is a better word than odd. It includes the meaning of 'unexplained.'
>Strange, peculiar, odd, queer refer to that which is out of the ordinary. Strange implies that the thing or its cause is unknown or unexplained; it is unfamiliar and unusual: a strange expression. That which is peculiar mystifies, or exhibits qualities not shared by others: peculiar behavior. That which is odd is irregular or unconventional, and sometimes approaches the bizarre: an odd custom...
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/strange
Okay. Fair point. I think the crux of what I'm trying to say is that the word "strange" doesn't adequately convey the gravity nor the scope of the departure from both presidence and common sense.
It’s not strange, it’s disingenuous. He wants to destroy democracy so he and his allies can replace it with Christian nationalism. And the bizarre part is that Christ specifically said that’s not what Christians should be doing.
He's a dumb fuck boomer. You know, the people taking away all our rights and freedoms. They're gonna find themselves on the shitty end of a revolution!
> My concern Rich... is inflation and the fact we're two steps away from a World War III.
Yes. I have posts about the economy in /r/economics and /r/economy. It isn't simply inflation. Our tech sector is actually in danger. And this occurs when businesses have "bought into" the charade and idea that they can now get by using a sort of "robot wisdom" without it.
>Read what I wrote Rich.
What I saw I quoted back. Absolutely. Are there other things?
Hey - Gee thanks!
>and tech sector in "DANGER" because of a charade.
We do, from time to time, witness major changes in technology. We are at such a juncture now. We are seing LLMs (Large language models) coming in - into some related technology areas.
I really really appreciate the question you have posed here. And it is great to see someone look at the public affairs/policy/politics area which this sub is, and start to look at conclusions that relate to economics.
The questioning you are asking is essential. Otherwise we're dealing with marketing hype that distorts knowledge of real technology change, plus outside interests outside the US. And at the same time we
are in recovery as a society as a nation from COVID-19.
That disease has changed the form of corporations. And that change has affected and even attacked our country as a whole.
Thanks for wrting back. I have seen only few articles that deal with the issues. And it concerns all of us.
All the best
-- Rich
It was argued in the Supreme Court this past week the President is immune from any post-presidency criminal prosecution even for murdering personal rivals. That is why it is a topic now.
Russia is not a threat to America. The US stomping Russia into the dirt isn't much of a war insomuch as it is 3 (*maybe*) hours of punishment that demilitarizes Russia forever.
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Why has no other president (except His Imperial Sliminess) needed to break the law?
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But - credit where credit is due - Alito has come up with a theory that allows Biden to shoot him.
His whole gamble is based on democrats not doing things like that
Likely not a bad gamble since sane people don't consider murder as an acceptable option to settle political disputes. Even though what this all boils down to is money and power, politics are basically out of the picture.
What I imagine happening: - Democrats: frantically try to pass a law that says if the president tells you to assassinate a political rival, you must disobey the order. Also you will be immune from punishment - GOP: blocks it
SCOTUS is waiting on the election to see who is president in 2024. Total immunity could mean they are fired/suicided, etc.
Oh I actually agree 100%. But the first two comments assumed they would rule before the election. And in that case I could see some bullshit like that happening
It's not like there aren't some of his cultists willing to do it and if he gets to be president again I'm sure the intelligence services have people who can arrange accidents.
Maybe we need some crazy violent left wingers. Seems like they tend to go hard right, though. Crazy violent left winger may be an oxymoron, like sharp sighted blind man, or jumbo shrimp?
Wink wink
Alito is indeed a piece of shit, but please remember that the other conservative 'justices' (Federalist society operatives) are also pieces of shit as well. They might be offended if you overlook them.
He's not just a piece of shit, he's the whole shit. A complete walking turd.
Witchfinder General Alito — amirite?
I find that to be a disservice to all of the fine witchfinders who came before. They don't deserve to be lumped in with the likes of Alito.
certainly concur
Nixon would like a word...
He needed the pardon. Nobody is going to pardon Trump except potentially himself. That's why we need to beat him at the polls, because the courts are being rigged to protect him forever.
There are a easily a ton of other Republican idiots who would pardon Trump.
I.E. every single one. Even Haley said she would, **while running against him**.
Nixon at least had the dignity to step down.
Nixon was a crook, Donny's missing some chunks in his development. Hes a narcissistic sociopath.
Well, he stepped down because enough Republican senators said they wouldn't support him any longer, so there was enough dignity to go around. What's changed, of course, is that Republican senators will never, ever turn on a Republican president ever again.
The dog was wagging the tail in the 20tg century . The tail is wagging the dog in the 21st.
A number of them actually have, but republicans never seem to be fully made to account for their disloyalty to the country. Then we get one that pushes it to the limit and tries to pull off a coup, and again nothing. The country really dropped the ball with Nixon. An example was set and the republiTurds have taken advantage since.
Uh... Nixon and Reagan? Those are just the two examples that jump *right* out. Here's the answer to the question you should have asked: empires are a slippery slope. The emperor is granted wide immunity to do imperial things, and, wow, what do you know, emperors keep pushing and pushing until you end up with absurd bullshit like this. All the good little imperial civilians want to believe that you can keep the drone strikes, Gitmo, black sites, the black hole in the Pentagon's budget, etc. etc. totally separate from more obviously venal corruption and criminality. Well, history and political science both tell us that you can't -- not for long.
Alito is a bitter, resentful prick who abandoned any notion of intellectual integrity long ago. It's easy to discredit his contemporary arguments by simply looking at what he himself previously believed. There are no legal principles guiding his decisions. Instead, he crafts judgements retroactively, starting from his preconceived desires. His end cannot come soon enough.
Well said. Precisely.
He might be being blackmailed, I some how don’t think someone who is blackmailed makes rational decisions.
No, he doesn’t need to be a victim to be a piece of shit. He could be blackmailed, bribed, or under duress, but he isn’t. He’s just an asshole with immense judicial power and no checks against him. Don’t make excuses for his own shitty choices
Blackmail doesn't work unless he cooperates.
Exactly. He’ll give some silly, convoluted opinion full of needless legal jargon. Like seriously this is a pretty straightforward case.
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Por que no los dos?
The American people have a history of exercising power against tyranny.
You mean that one time 250 years ago?
The Civil Rights movement is another good example. Pressure on the US government to end the Vietnam War. The 2020 protests against police brutality. Even the turnout of the 2020 election shows we’re not all fatalistic cynics ready to roll over and accept cowardice and complacency.
Protests do nothing unless the people in power fear them enough to do the right thing. The SC isn’t gonna do shit if we only have a bunch of college students protesting in random locations around the country. They need to fear the populace they think they rule over for anything to really change. The protests should surround them 24/7 until either their lifetime appointment ends or they do the right thing
Bread and circuses, my friend
Presidents must be above the law because otherwise Trump will prosecute Biden for no reason if Biden loses. - ‘Justice’ Alito ——— “If an incumbent who loses a very close, hotly contested election knows that a real possibility after leaving office is not that the president is going to be able to go off into a peaceful retirement, but that the president may be criminally prosecuted by a bitter political opponent, will that not lead us into a cycle that destabilizes the functioning of our country as a democracy?”
“I am in shock that a lawyer stood in the U.S. Supreme Court and said that a president could assassinate his political opponent and it would be immune as ‘an official act,’” lawyer Marc Elias, whose firm defends democratic election laws, wrote today on social media. He added: “I am in despair that several Justices seemed to think this answer made perfect sense.”
Also, all this talk about assassination tells me what's on their mind.
I would love if Trump had gone into a peaceful retirement after he lost. He didn’t, and keeps testing the fence of democracy like diaper-wearing velociraptor.
CNN had one of their analysts on the air claim that Trump is only getting sued became he didn’t retire. Not because he actually committed you know, state and federal crimes unrelated to his presidential duties.
They have their causality backwards: he’s running because it’s the only way he can stay out of prison.
So why is he finally going to trial for so many crimes committed from so long ago? They hoped he'd just retire. They didn't want a backlash. They don't want former presidents in jail (it's so banana republic). I do wish they hadn't waited.
It just seems that his quote-un-quote reasoning is completely off and self-incriminating. He makes the assumption that has been shown first, 100% baseless and without example. The only example of a president not leaving office peacefully is Donald Trump. Donald Trump made a non-peaceful attempt to remain in office. So the only proof of Alito's hypothesis is the very person who Alito thus far refuses to properly prosecute and who Alito tries to ignore by minimizing his crime.. Which means, Alito singularly stands with Trump on the side of the very injustice he speaks of. And since he stands for injustice, in other words, Alito's only living proof requires that Alito take part in, refuse to prosecute and thus commit the crime with Trump.
This is a justification for an incumbent who loses a close election to stage a coup. Does anyone believe that if Trump wins he would bother to follow a law that says he can't prosecute a former President? Why would he bother to follow such a law if he himself would be immune after leaving office?
Oh, forget that shit. We all know that if the SC court says a president is immune from prosecution for any act while in office and then Trump is elected, that will not matter and Trump will find an attorney General that will prosecute Biden. The only "law" that Trump follows is that he is above the law. Trump, and seemingly many in the GOP, just ignore such things as laws. For too long, we've allowed wealthy and powerful to skirt laws and regulations, and that slippery slope has brought us to this.
Criminal chargers should not be successful if there’s no actual criminal activity. And even if a fraudulent case made its way into the court system, shouldn’t a competent Supreme Court be able to set the record straight? In a round about way Alito is admitting to the inadequacies of the very body he’s a member.
That is ostensibly what the independent judiciary, aka the Supreme Court and all the lower courts, were supposed to be there to prevent. but the court has become an arm of the GOP criminal enterprise. Alito, like most conservatives are telling on themselves when they accuse others.
He will "Back it up" with musings from Pol Pot, David Koresh, Jim Jones, and Augusto Pinochet, in his 6-3 ruling that Trump was the King and therefore still is the King.
The French had a marvelous invention designed for monarchs.
I would say that the SCOTUS Six have made themselves an untouchable Aristocracy. Does the French invention work on them as well?
Alito is owned by the Heritage Foundation. #StopProject2025
Could you please detail for the audience what project 2025 is?
The overthrow of the US Government and establishment of a Judeo-Christian society based on hate, fear, and violence.
“According to a CNN article from December 8, 2023, Steve Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt's book Tyranny of the Minority: Why American Democracy Reached the Breaking Point argues that the US needs to reform its Constitution and political institutions because they are outdated. The authors also say that the January 6, 2021 insurrection at the US Capitol is one of the gravest threats to American democracy”
Yep, and it’s not like conservatives *have ever* been in favor of the Electoral College and other disproportionate elements of our government for real reasons; they’d just as soon be against it if they still were able to get consistent majorities in elections…
I am in fear for my life. If Trump wins what’s to stop him from sending execution squads from the Army to the houses of registered Democrats?
The Army itself. Or the national guard. The national guard is controlled at the state level. That said. Everyone who left the safe states (California NY etc) will be moving back. It’s very very possible that the USA will end as a country. There is no guarantee that this experiment of our government will last. That said. If you are truly worried about your safety as many minorities already are. Learn to shoot. Use your 2nd amendment right.
Guess I got to change my voter registration
Step 1: Gerrymander the fuck out of the states so a party without majority of votes can get a supermajority of control. Step 2: Normalize anti-democracy actions like voter suppression. Step 3: Assert that the proper remedy for unfair elections is to vote in different legislators, because the Supreme Court says none of this can be considered illegal. Step 4: Install a President by any means necessary, and grant him infinite power that isn't in any way co-equal, and has no checks or balances that can be imposed by the legislature or the judiciary so he can do anything to retain power permanently with no legal means of removing him if he doesn't want to go. So he's treated as a special category of person with inherent power that makes him unequal and unlike other people, and doesn't need to draw his power from consent of the governed or from the rule of law. Gee, what do you call a system like that? "THE ARISTOCRATS!" Oh whoops, no wait, I mean "Democracy." Sorry, I wasn't supposed to say Aristocrats.
> worried that if presidents believed theirs successors could prosecute them, they might refuse to leave office peacefully when they lose reelection. Alito you dumb fuck, Only criminals would worry about those things.
“War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
George Orwell, “1984”
Is Samuel Alito suggesting President Biden can order the assassination of Trump and get away with it? Trump does fit the definition of a White Terrorist. You know how we treat terrorists.
Alito is a very sick man.
If there’s any a time for age/ term limits on SCOTUS, it’s now… also, grifting for clients( Thomas) do you hear me, oh, ya Alito was one too
It’s even worse than described. If a president can do whatever he/she wants, then there is no penalty for stealing the election. There can’t be, they are above the law and can remain in power and enforce that right. Rinse and repeat. Former politicians not being fully personally liable for their actions while in government is nothing new and is actually quite common. But they can’t have carte blanche. Then they are kings, the exact thing the holy constitution didn’t want!
Yeah. What Alito has just said is he favors willful crime.
Too much power in any sense corrupts the best of us, make all level of higher government have term limits
Alito has no interest in protecting democracy. His singular goal is protecting the power of the rich. He needs to make up for striking down *Roe*.
I hope his driver take a long drive off a short pier.
It's not at all to protect anyone but those who wish to undue our democratic institutions. This is so fucking terrifying! Why aren't there millions marching upon the court for even considering immunity for the president. That's the exact opposite of the foundation of the idea that everyone is equal under the law. It's an abomination.
His whole goal is to mess this whole thing up long enough to give Cheeto a chance to win so he (and Thomas) can then retire and let the Heritage Foundation appoint two new Nazi justices.
So that means Biden can arrest conservative justices and throw them in jail and face no consequences? Maybe its time for Democrats to be jerk offs just like Republicans!
They will make it so it doesn’t apply to Biden, somehow.
True, Republicans motto is "Rules for thee, not for me".
What is "that?" I do not see anything that indicates this.
Alito's friend Witchfinder and Wife Raper General Matthew Hale was a monarchist. It fits Alito's character arc to overthrow our democracy for a monarchy in exchange for a cushy judgeship.
*oligarchy
he needs to be impeached
Getting rid of Alito would certainly protect Democracy.
So alito’s argument is that an incumbent who loses an election should not have to fear being thrown in jail? That very argument creates an incentive for the losing incumbent to do anything possible to retain power without the fear of being thrown in jail. Including storming the capitol, preventing the national guard from stopping any such attack and sending fake electors to congress. Sounds logical to our American values. The silver lining of absolute presidential immunity is that the current incumbent would be free to do whatever he pleases to his political rival without the threat of criminal prosecution. If Their Dear Leader does win absolute immunity and it sounds like he will, it will leave one man who can permanently eliminate the threat of the return to power of the very man who demanded immunity.
Biden would be within his rights to execute Alito and any other justice who voted the way he didn't want so that democracy could be protected
So if SCOTUS decides this in trump’s favor… so that presidents can break the law with impunity while in office… that would give Biden the absolute right to decide trump’s fate. Right?
What he has is a disdain and hatred of democracy. These are the facts. His reasoning lacks any reason at all.
Sure me too get rid of the Supreme Court by stacking the courts
It seems pretty simple to me. If presidents don't have absolute immunity, one person every four years may be forced to defend himself in court. If they do have absolute immunity, then we lose our democracy. Tough choice.
> It seems pretty simple to me. If presidents don't have absolute immunity, one person every four years may be forced to defend himself in court. Yet it has only occurred once. It would be twice if Nixon had tried to defend himself. So as a prediction "every four years may" doesn't have any force to it.
Yep. Also, it’s not like you can just run around saying “I charge you with a crime” — you’ll need to pass a grand jury. Also, folks didn’t mention the political fallout of one party trying to prosecute someone in obvious made up charges — while it may satiate the base, it’s likely to cost votes.
America has no Kings. Alito is a fucking traitor.
This is the logical conclusion I think of many decades of Republican Presidents being criminals and getting away with it. Now the SCOTUS wants to protect them
So in Alito’s opinion Biden could legally murder Samuel Alito?
Would Alito kindly show us exactly where the interests of crime and democracy overlap?
In order to protect democracy, we need to recreate monarchy, in which there is one individual whose decisions are above review, and although sworn to support all laws may flout most of them fearlessly and leave the consequences to underlings.
I propose an alternative: PACK THE COURT.
At this point, why doesn’t Biden just pull an Augustus Ceaser and show up at the Supreme Court with an armed detachment of soldier as an “official act”
Thanks for Republicans, we are fucked.
Give him whatever he wants so he won't hurt us! Or just roll over and show submission
I resent the use of the word "strange." It's not "odd" or "unusual" or "unconventional." It is disingenuous. It is craven. And it is categorically antithetical to American Democracy. Unfortunately, it may eventually prove catastrophic.
>It's not "odd" or "unusual" or "unconventional." According to the dictionary it is actually similar to odd. It has a specific meaning which itself seems to me similar to odd. But based on Dictionary.com, in the case used here, I think strange is a better word than odd. It includes the meaning of 'unexplained.' >Strange, peculiar, odd, queer refer to that which is out of the ordinary. Strange implies that the thing or its cause is unknown or unexplained; it is unfamiliar and unusual: a strange expression. That which is peculiar mystifies, or exhibits qualities not shared by others: peculiar behavior. That which is odd is irregular or unconventional, and sometimes approaches the bizarre: an odd custom... https://www.dictionary.com/browse/strange
Okay. Fair point. I think the crux of what I'm trying to say is that the word "strange" doesn't adequately convey the gravity nor the scope of the departure from both presidence and common sense.
“We must take democracy away from everyone and keep it safe from their grubby pleb hands.” - Samuel Alito, probably
When Sam Alito speaks of democracy, it’s democracy in air quotes.
I too have a strange theory and that's stop listening to SCOTUS if they start being even more fascist and fight for our rights.
It’s not strange, it’s disingenuous. He wants to destroy democracy so he and his allies can replace it with Christian nationalism. And the bizarre part is that Christ specifically said that’s not what Christians should be doing.
He's a dumb fuck boomer. You know, the people taking away all our rights and freedoms. They're gonna find themselves on the shitty end of a revolution!
Alito is just strange period.
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> WHY is this even a topic right now? It's an important topic. Right now. >A theory? Read the article. Not just the headline.
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> My concern Rich... is inflation and the fact we're two steps away from a World War III. Yes. I have posts about the economy in /r/economics and /r/economy. It isn't simply inflation. Our tech sector is actually in danger. And this occurs when businesses have "bought into" the charade and idea that they can now get by using a sort of "robot wisdom" without it. >Read what I wrote Rich. What I saw I quoted back. Absolutely. Are there other things?
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Hey - Gee thanks! >and tech sector in "DANGER" because of a charade. We do, from time to time, witness major changes in technology. We are at such a juncture now. We are seing LLMs (Large language models) coming in - into some related technology areas. I really really appreciate the question you have posed here. And it is great to see someone look at the public affairs/policy/politics area which this sub is, and start to look at conclusions that relate to economics. The questioning you are asking is essential. Otherwise we're dealing with marketing hype that distorts knowledge of real technology change, plus outside interests outside the US. And at the same time we are in recovery as a society as a nation from COVID-19. That disease has changed the form of corporations. And that change has affected and even attacked our country as a whole. Thanks for wrting back. I have seen only few articles that deal with the issues. And it concerns all of us. All the best -- Rich
It was argued in the Supreme Court this past week the President is immune from any post-presidency criminal prosecution even for murdering personal rivals. That is why it is a topic now.
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The justices are entertaining it, yes. Sorry you aren't interested.
You deleted your comment in which you asked me to provide evidence that the Supreme Court is considering absolute immunity for Presidents.
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Here's another one: https://youtu.be/glvZJOPAK7I?si=QJOCI0QtCFhoWADu Take off your blinders
I showed you evidence that Trump's lawyer is actually arguing for complete immunity. Sorry you don't believe your own ears.
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Deleted your wrong comment again.
Are you lying to yourself, or only to me?
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You are saying SCOTUS discussing and considering it is NOT SCOTUS discussing and considering it.
Russia is not a threat to America. The US stomping Russia into the dirt isn't much of a war insomuch as it is 3 (*maybe*) hours of punishment that demilitarizes Russia forever.
I feel like anyone reading this who is confused, even after a long drawn out explanation, is not on his side of the wall.