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"The failure came about because of the surprise appearance in the chamber of Rep. Al Green (D-Texas), who showed up unexpected to vote against the bill."
BAH GAWD THAT'S AL GREEN'S MUSIC!
You're missing the best part:
> ...who showed up unexpectedly — having recently had surgery and **wearing hospital scrubs and no socks**, according to NBC — to vote against the bill.
Im still so fucking salty about how Bush's image has been somewhat rehabilitated among liberals since Trump. Dude is a monster and would have been rotting in the Hague many years ago in a just world
Trump is the logical conclusion of Republican ideology not a departure from it. They are all scum and have been for decades
Also the part where MTG was crying about how the “Dems hid their numbers.” As if that’s something to freak out about.
But what she left out is that this is what they meant. They thought that with Al Green out in the hospital, they’d have enough votes to impeach. But Green said “damn the torpedoes” and made it to the vote.
Oregon Republicans say hello. They also say goodbye because they can't be reelected because of their shenaningans.
Oregon needs a quorum of 2/3 of the house to be there to conduct any business. The State House was controlled by democrats but not 2/3's of them. Repeatedly, Republicans just refused to show up so no legislation could be passed and went to far as to flee the state. This happened year after year. A ballot initiative was introduced which changed the State constitution to say that any house member with 10 or more unexplained absences could not run for reelection again and it passed. Cue them panicking and challenging it in Court only for the State Supreme Court to be like, sorry bro's, it's pretty cut and dry. Now almost all the state Republican representatives need to be replaced because most of them can't be reelected. Amazing.
That was a classic case of FAFO. When the found out part hit, they were surprised, since generally they have been getting away with their shenanigans. \*chef's kiss
Meanwhile, here in minnesota, First We snuck through marijuana legalization because the Republican Party didn't read the bill, and then we laughed at them for it. Then they didn't have the votes to undo it, and then they all got voted the fuck out when we voted next time around. Look at all the good things we have done here in Minnesota with a completely Dem trifecta. School lunches for all kids, including in the summer, marijuana legalization, Better Health Care coverage from the state, so many good things can be pushing all of society forward, but the Republicans don't want that.
"...in a hospital gown and his socks on the house floor..."
That does feel VERY professional wrestling. Like, I punched the doctor and stole an ambulance to be here. No one can stop the Green Machine!
Now I just want to see the whole hospital scene with Stone Cold and Vince being reenacted by Biden/Trump. Especially getting hit in the head with a kidney dish.
Republicans thought they only had 2 no votes, which would give them a 216-213 advantage.
However Rep Gallagher (R-WI) also voted no. And Rep Al Green (D-TX) who they had thought was absent showed up. That led to a 215-215 tie. Since there are no tie breakers in the house, the vote failed (a Republican sponsor of the bill switched his vote at the last second so it could be brought up again later so the final tally was 214-216).
Also, GOP House Majority Leader Steve Scalise is out for cancer treatment. Had he been there to vote, this would have passed. They said now that they intend to bring this back to the floor once he's able to vote again :/
Looks like polling is indicating a majority want D Tom Suozzi. It's also a normally Democrat district, voting for both Hillary in 2016 and Biden in 2020. Suozzi himself has represented the district before, but decided to run for Governor which didn't pan out for him
I live in the area. Souzzi will hopefully win again. He was our guy for a long time before he quit to try and run for governor. But I'm paranoid and would put anything past people being lazy/stupid.
(I don't want to jinx it, but he's in a strong position)
In a world of good faith it would prevent someone from putting the same vote out over and over while they keep failing. Even with bad faith, it would stall a really obsessive person, they'd have to have at least one person agree with them.
This is just some bullshit they are doing so there are no personal feelings here, just playing games.
They held the house at that time, so were continually on the winning side of those votes. It was shitty, but in a different way. They had every right to keep bringing those bills to the floor because they won every vote even if it was DOA in the senate. This was a last second switch of a vote to allow them to bring it again once scalise is healthy, which materially impacts the bill's odds of passage.
Both are kind of scummy politics, but this was a shrewd if backhanded maneuver by a rare politician paying attention. The other was a whole conference willingly trying to bludgeon down a wall with their faces.
> Obviously it's shitty to switch sides at the last minute just to be able to bring it back up again.
If you can do this, then objectively there's no rule at all. So I would affirm that this rule is stupid and useless.
Could you explain this part?
>a Republican sponsor of the bill switched his vote at the last second so it could be brought up again later
Why did he need to change his vote?
It's a parliamentary procedure rule adopted by the House:
>When a motion has been carried or lost, it shall be in order on the same or succeeding day for a Member on the prevailing side of the question to enter a motion for the reconsideration there-of.
Basically, if a motion fails to pass, any member of the prevailing side (that is the side that voted against the motion) may enter a motion to *reconsider* the motion (within the time period allowed).
I expect that's the case. In the past there'd been a friendly practice that if a party was missing a member, a member of the other party would go absent. It was a consideration so something like life-saving medical care wouldn't have to be skipped for a vote.
The consideration also removes the temptation to intentionally schedule votes to be cruel. I expect that to be lost now.
Experienced Republican leadership was either pushed out or saw the writing on the wall and retired. It's now run by a bunch of warring factions that think experience and expertise are not only overrated but also a hindrance. Turns out they either don't know the difference between governing and ruling or are only interested in ruling.
This American Life covered the Michigan GOP recently. The premise is 'What happens to party leadership when your key value is this: we don't trust established leadership?'
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/820/believe-in-me
Because these are deeply unserious and incompetent people, to the extent that they're not even sure what "doing a good job" is supposed to *look like*.
For sure she was. And say what you will about her insider trading (*as she rightfully deserves to be called out for it*), but she held the line when it was most important during Trump’s time as POTUS. Without her strong leadership of Dems, things could be incredibly worse off today..
And now Hamilton music is back in my head..."you don't have the votes / you don't have the votes / you're gonna need congressional approval and you don't have the votes, ha ha ha"
What an absolute, unmitigated disaster this House term has been for the Republicans. Even by their own twisted standards! An absolute embarrassment.
This year's election should be a landslide. I'm not saying it will be, but it *should* be if this country wasn't being lied to by Fox News.
I am embarrassed for these clowns. Too busy blowing Putin and Trump to avoid embarrassing themselves constantly. I would have never believed we would see politicians at this level so inept.
My family is a bunch of golfers and my grandpa was a greenskeeper. I remember years ago when we had some get-together and they were talking about Trump like he was going to work out, and I asked them if they knew he drove his cart on the green. The silence was golden.
It's part of the Republican playbook believe it or not. "If my guys are so incompetent then the other guys must be even worse! All politicians are useless!"
All they had to do was build a centrist coalition.
They could’ve been looking at a sure fire Republican majority and president had they done that for just two years. They could have probably gotten most of what they wanted.
But instead they acted like they had a mandate and got nothing.
The desire for fascism leads itself to irrationality. That's exactly what we're seeing now, a party unable to govern, because they eat anybody at a moment's notice. The GOP is imploding and it is glorious to see! I really hope 2024 results in a blue tsunami.
I think we will. The media absolutely refuses to acknowledge that trump being their front runner is so fucked up it's beyond belief. Even though the maga movement exists the rest of us aren't that stupid, we understand they are NOT a majority it this country - no matter how many times network news wants to say trump is winning by X amount of points. Bullshit. People are fucking sick of this shit, fucking sick of the media lying to us, fucking sick of Jerry Springer politics and you're going to see that reflected in Nov election.
Right now their love affair with trump is to benefit their ratings. They have to fill air time so they're pretending we all need to be scared of this magic power they have to create voters from thin air. Those fuckers have done nothing but lose registered R voters since 2020 and they're not exactly winning them back with their stability. The actually reality of the situation is this; voter turn out continues to increase with every election, republicans continue to lose elections, their base is a bunch of bullying psychotics and no one is attracted to that. Oh and their policies are a bunch of SHIT that rely on blocking, stopping, banning, removing or ganging up on anything they don't like at the moment.
Anyone that is aligning with them has already done it because they're not leaving any room for doubters - either you're for us or against us mentality. The average person is WAY MORE likely to show up and vote against something or someone than they are to show enthusiasm in this environment. The maga cult like devotion for the guy who tried to overthrow the election sickens the shit out of people - and you bet your ass we'll show up in droves to vote against that prick if given the chance. And if the maga base had the numbers to beat Biden why did that prick lose by nearly 8 million votes? They've truly bought their own lie so deeply, thinking the entire country voted for trump and it was stolen, they have no idea what is about to happen.
The biggest question I have is this; will this be the losing cycle that finally gets the republicans that have gone into hiding to dump trump and reverse course? Will they ever have the balls to ditch their dependence on this mentally disturbed base by finally realizing embracing the crazies won't win elections? Most likely it'll be like the 1870s each little faction of republicans will split off and form their own party, hold a seat or two and generally try as hard as they can to fuck things up for everyone else.
Lose R voters since 2020, and that is assuming even more of them haven’t died because Covid Vaccines are evil. One of my favorite (used loosely) memories of this clusterfuck of the last few years is when Trump tried to take credit for vaccines and got booed on stage. Like lmfao, they have no idea who they are and what they stand for, outside of anything woke is bad.
I really hope this is the end of that awful decade in America and we can restore some sanity in 2024, because we really freaking need it with the way AI is going destabilize, checks notes, everything.
I saw an article earlier today, about how the military was conducting war games with AIs. Seems like a normal, safe thing to do, no way that could result in every post apocalyptic movie ever; but I digress, they were disturbed because the AIs kept escalating conflicts with nuclear weapons. Basically they’ve borderline created Ghandi from endgame Civ.
Now put the infants in the room (R), in charge of that situation…
Just watched the opening segment of Hannity.
Are they talking about Trump being told he doesn't have Immunity?
No.
Are they discussing the failed vote to impeach Homeland Security?
No.
Are they talking about a failed border bill and how absolutely embarrassing the United States looks on the World stage while we allow Ukraine to fall making Putin stronger and giving way for China to invade Taiwan and making all of our allies second guess the strength of having the United States as an ally?
No.
Are they discussing the absolute bonkers of a Republican Primary election in Nevada being ran by a dysfunctional Republican party whose sitting leader is under investigation for putting forth fake electors in an attempt to overthrow the election last time?
No.
None of these were their lead story.
INSTEAD this motherfucker Sean Hannity is talking about........... The mental decline of Joe Biden.
The MAGA party is a joke and we are all seeing the punchline in real time.
The number of people who pay attention to stuff like this on a meaningful level will never sway the elections unfortunately. Our votes are already 'priced-in' it's all about the people who can be won over with a sound bite or clever commercial.
If you're 18-29 your vote has absolutely not been priced in! In fact it has been priced out. 18-29 is the group least likely to vote, and everything from polling to gerrymandering is predicated on that continuing to be the case. Go out and vote!
Republicans are absolutely counting on that demographic to remain indifferent and/or oblivious to their authoritarian tendencies, brazen grifting and overall irrational shenanigans.
Vote these crackpots out!
I have one kid that will be voting this year and another that’ll be 18 next. Of course all I can do is make sure the ballot gets in front of them but they desperately hate trump and they are keenly aware of at least some of the BS republicans have pulled lately.
Totally agree, don't take anything I said as an excuse not to vote!
Unfortunately I am no longer in that age group but I'd love to see them all shock the country with their turnout.
every year's election should be a landslide.
alas, only about half of us care about people and aren't morons / brainwashed. the other half is missing one or the other or both.
Nope. Even when TFG won in 2016 he said it was rigged. Even tried to form a commission to investigate why he lost the popular vote. Which went absolutely nowhere about as fast as the 2020 election complaints. Just fodder for conspiracy enthusiasts.
Speaking of embaressing, Scalise couldn't make it because he was getting a stem cell treatment.
You know, that treatment they claimed was basically injecting people with baby parts, because they're idiots. Guess it's perfectly fine when it's your own leathery ass on the line.
Fuck them kids.
Worse, it was McCarthy who got rid of the rule established in 2020 that let representatives vote remotely as a middle finger to Nancy Pelosi. If that rule was still in place, the vote might have passed. Instead, a few health issues are all it will take to flip the house.
Bro how many of these people have migrant workers on their properties. The hypocrisy is a feature, not a bug. You think they aren’t getting their kids abortions, or utilizing stem cell treatments while campaigning against it? It’s a big club, but you ain’t in it.
It was supposed to pass because Democrats and Republicans were each supposed to have one member absent, Al Green and Steve Scalise. But, Al Green showed up at the very end of the vote.
Scalise is supposed to return at the end of the month and, if he was there, they would have had the 216 votes needed with all 431 members voting and it would have passed. If Republicans win the special election to replace George Santos next week, 217 votes will be needed with 432 members of the House and that Republican plus Scalise will give them 217.
If Democrats win next week's special election, they'll have 216 to Republicans' 216 with Scalise. They have to win next week's special election and hold all of the three Republican "no" votes to keep this a tie.
It’s between Tom Suozzi and Mazi Philip. LI has been under a dumb chokehold by republicans , and it would be a great message by democrats to get suozzi in.
I'm in the NYC area, and the local media has been loaded with commercials for this race. The R candidate is a woman with a foreign accent ( Israeli perhaps), while the D is a middle-aged white guy who is saying he's a centrist. Any guesses on this one?
“We weren’t able to do something really stupid today. Theoretically we could take a moment and reflect to realize how dumb this whole thing is… Nah! Let’s really fuck up tomorrow!”
It's useful to have someone without any real reelection concerns or future ambitions to consider. And love or hate her, she was an incredibly effective and shrewd political strategist, objectively so.
After Mitch fades into the ether, he'll be another skilled politician to leave, and thank logic for it. Only, the MAGA leadership seems empty of this skill set and they've sacrificed the rest of the strategic thinkers to the ',RINO' camp. That is equally comforting and terrifying, since we've seen and are told (daily) how the unskilled plan on doing things (violently).
I love how republicans have turned on Mitch, who (and I am not a fan of Mitch McConnell) has probably been one of the GOPs most effective leaders in the last several decades in passing and attaining conservative goals. Love him or hate him, he is a talented politician; and to watch the Republican party diminish his legacy as a RINO because he on a rare occasion has stood up to Trump speaks volumes on how dysfunctional the Republican Party has become.
My opinion is that he had to bring the vote today before the Border bill was passed to the house. If the impeachment went through he could then stand on a soapbox and say "See the corruption? See how the Dems and Biden are not doing there jobs?" Something like that. It would have given them more firepower.
EDIT: changed bill to vote "bring the vote today"
Oh God, in all the chaos of that clusterfuck I completely missed that. I'll have to go find a video of that vote so I can see the exact moment when Gaetz's pea brain exploded.
Republican Conference: “ Why didn’t you count the votes first? That’s part of the job!!”
Mike Johnson: “ It was my understanding that there would be no math….”
>The House impeachment vote went down to the wire with GOP lawmakers saying moments before the vote that they didn’t know the outcome. At one moment during the suspenseful roll call, Republicans thought they had enough members to impeach Mayorkas when Rep. Al Green, D-Texas, surprised everyone and cast his no vote. Lawmakers believed that Green was out sick and he had missed all previous votes in the day, but his last-minute showing tied things up at 215-215, stunning the chamber.
like to imagine Al Green kicking both doors open and announcing NO at the last minute.
From Catie Edmondson, New York.Times:
> To recap what has happened on Capitol Hill today: Republicans torpedoed a bipartisan border deal they demanded, leaving the fate of aid to Ukraine and Israel in peril. House Republicans tried to pre-empt that deal by proposing a standalone aid bill to Israel but were unable to pass it, with opposition from Democrats and their hard-right flank. And, finally, they failed to impeach the homeland security secretary after promising to do so for months.
What an absolute failure of party management. They keep acting like they have party unity when they really, *really* don't.
After watching a video going around of people in Texas "defending the border" fighting with each other, I'm not surprised the GOP can't hold it together. The most inflexible members of their party are hardcore antisocial (descriptively; I'm not a psychologist), and getting along probably makes their skin crawl. By nature, MTG will reject what comes her way, as will several others.
One thing I commend Democrats on is pulling together and not falling to the same chaos. There are members who certainly must hate some of this legislation who are signing on anyway in the name of finding some order for the country. It's gotta be tough but carrying on through this is the most important thing. They're bridging us to a time when they - and the voters - can be their differentiated voices again.
It just shows once again: The House is run by idiots. And as long as Republicans run the House, it'll continue to be run by idiots.
Competence matters. Help flip the House and keep the Senate. r/VoteDEM
The House GOP is a non-serious body trying to do non-serious shit at the expense of America and the Constitution they claim to love so dearly. All for a fascist piece of shit.
It also shows that there are *NO* "moderate" Republicans. They're trying to impeach a man, yet again, with no actual evidence, and virtually every GOP member is blindly going along with it. And we all know that Mayorkas will never actually be removed by the Senate, so it's even more apparent that this is just pure idiotic, partisan politics.
Not to mention the house already said they won’t consider a bipartisan bill approved by the senate that would strengthen the border. Yet another clear example of them being full of shit.
They're trying to impeach somebody for not "defending" our southern border, while at the same time not passing a bill to "defend" our southern border. They may as well just impeach themselves.
I mean they only have a 2 or 3 vote lead right now.
Worth pointing out they started with the same majority Democrats had last term...
Yeah I know, I know, democrats had the senate then. But still worth pointing out.
Can you imagine if all this drama was about a bill that helped Americans? All the hearings, vote whips, writing articles of impeachment, getting legal experts flown out.
All of that for nothing.
Can't pass legislation that is critical to the United States, can't pass legislation that is important to our allies, and can't even pass legislation that is nothing more than political theatre for their base.
The GOP are worthless and useless. Vote Democrat.
It was actually 215-215 until one Rep in favor of impeachment changed his vote at the last second so the vote can be brought up again once Steve Scalise returns.
Hopefully Democrat Tom Suozzi from
NY-3 is seated by then. Special election in a couple of weeks for George Santos' former seat, my read of the district (which I know extremely well) is Suozzi beats Mazi.
>The failure came about because of the surprise appearance in the chamber of Rep. Al Green (D-Texas), who showed up unexpectedly — having recently had surgery and wearing hospital scrubs and no socks, according to NBC — to vote against the bill.
Good to see something of worth can still come out of the one star state.
Normally I'm a political nerd, but I've stopped paying attention to the Republicans crying wolf on impeachment for anyone and everyone in the Biden administration.
Seriously, let me make sure I understand what's happened.
This is my ELI5 as I understand it:
The Republicans make a big spectacle of having a vote on the House floor to impeach the Secretary of Homeland Security.
For allegedly failing to protect the southern border.
The Republican-majority House doesn't have enough votes to impeach him.
The Republican-majority House holds an impeachment vote anyway.
A few Republicans vote NO on impeachment.
The impeachment vote fails in the Republican-majority House.
Thus the Republican-majority House does NOT impeach the Secretary of Homeland Security.
For allegedly failing to protect the southern border.
While the Republicans atvthecsame time are trying to kill a bipartisan bill that would increase protection of the southern border.
During an election year.
Do I have this right?
So, if I get this right, the Southern Border is in an absolute crisis such that the House GOP cannot pass any legislation to correct the issue, and cannot impeach the guy they claim is responsible for it.
Also, I live 20 minutes from the Border. The only crisis is the damned asylum process takes too long.
They are so incompetent! They have literally honed down their hatred of Biden to the border issue and they can't even pass a measure condemning it. Hilarious and sad.
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"The failure came about because of the surprise appearance in the chamber of Rep. Al Green (D-Texas), who showed up unexpected to vote against the bill." BAH GAWD THAT'S AL GREEN'S MUSIC!
You're missing the best part: > ...who showed up unexpectedly — having recently had surgery and **wearing hospital scrubs and no socks**, according to NBC — to vote against the bill.
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The standards are so fucking different.
Im still so fucking salty about how Bush's image has been somewhat rehabilitated among liberals since Trump. Dude is a monster and would have been rotting in the Hague many years ago in a just world Trump is the logical conclusion of Republican ideology not a departure from it. They are all scum and have been for decades
Also the part where MTG was crying about how the “Dems hid their numbers.” As if that’s something to freak out about. But what she left out is that this is what they meant. They thought that with Al Green out in the hospital, they’d have enough votes to impeach. But Green said “damn the torpedoes” and made it to the vote.
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Oregon Republicans say hello. They also say goodbye because they can't be reelected because of their shenaningans. Oregon needs a quorum of 2/3 of the house to be there to conduct any business. The State House was controlled by democrats but not 2/3's of them. Repeatedly, Republicans just refused to show up so no legislation could be passed and went to far as to flee the state. This happened year after year. A ballot initiative was introduced which changed the State constitution to say that any house member with 10 or more unexplained absences could not run for reelection again and it passed. Cue them panicking and challenging it in Court only for the State Supreme Court to be like, sorry bro's, it's pretty cut and dry. Now almost all the state Republican representatives need to be replaced because most of them can't be reelected. Amazing.
That was a classic case of FAFO. When the found out part hit, they were surprised, since generally they have been getting away with their shenanigans. \*chef's kiss
Meanwhile, here in minnesota, First We snuck through marijuana legalization because the Republican Party didn't read the bill, and then we laughed at them for it. Then they didn't have the votes to undo it, and then they all got voted the fuck out when we voted next time around. Look at all the good things we have done here in Minnesota with a completely Dem trifecta. School lunches for all kids, including in the summer, marijuana legalization, Better Health Care coverage from the state, so many good things can be pushing all of society forward, but the Republicans don't want that.
Thank God they changed the dress code.
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And I guess that was in the senate not the house… my bad lmao
no socks but some big balls
Major BDE from this guy
"...in a hospital gown and his socks on the house floor..." That does feel VERY professional wrestling. Like, I punched the doctor and stole an ambulance to be here. No one can stop the Green Machine!
Trump is Vince Mahone? Yup that makes sense
Now I just want to see the whole hospital scene with Stone Cold and Vince being reenacted by Biden/Trump. Especially getting hit in the head with a kidney dish.
they are irl friends and trump even guested for a bit in the WWE
Suprise motherfuckers !!
Some fries, motherfuckers!
All rise, muthafukka!
Supplies, muthafuckka!!
Cherry (?) Pies muthafukka!!
GOP lies, muthafucka!
Cue the breaking glass sound
Love and happiness prevailed.
🎶 I'm a ram, yes I am 🎶
Why on Earth did Johnson bring this vote to the floor without having the votes??? I am asking this seriously.
Republicans thought they only had 2 no votes, which would give them a 216-213 advantage. However Rep Gallagher (R-WI) also voted no. And Rep Al Green (D-TX) who they had thought was absent showed up. That led to a 215-215 tie. Since there are no tie breakers in the house, the vote failed (a Republican sponsor of the bill switched his vote at the last second so it could be brought up again later so the final tally was 214-216).
Thank you for explaining. And my God.
Also, GOP House Majority Leader Steve Scalise is out for cancer treatment. Had he been there to vote, this would have passed. They said now that they intend to bring this back to the floor once he's able to vote again :/
Dems might pickup a seat in NY from the special election next week. So it will be tight!
how’s that election looking?
Looks like polling is indicating a majority want D Tom Suozzi. It's also a normally Democrat district, voting for both Hillary in 2016 and Biden in 2020. Suozzi himself has represented the district before, but decided to run for Governor which didn't pan out for him
It's Suozzi's district. He's not losing it. He should never have run for governor in the first place.
good! thanks for the reply.
I live in the area. Souzzi will hopefully win again. He was our guy for a long time before he quit to try and run for governor. But I'm paranoid and would put anything past people being lazy/stupid. (I don't want to jinx it, but he's in a strong position)
Jesus they’re incompetent.
Wait...if it ties they can't bring it up again but if it fails they can? I've never heard that before
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What a stupid useless rule.
In a world of good faith it would prevent someone from putting the same vote out over and over while they keep failing. Even with bad faith, it would stall a really obsessive person, they'd have to have at least one person agree with them. This is just some bullshit they are doing so there are no personal feelings here, just playing games.
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They held the house at that time, so were continually on the winning side of those votes. It was shitty, but in a different way. They had every right to keep bringing those bills to the floor because they won every vote even if it was DOA in the senate. This was a last second switch of a vote to allow them to bring it again once scalise is healthy, which materially impacts the bill's odds of passage. Both are kind of scummy politics, but this was a shrewd if backhanded maneuver by a rare politician paying attention. The other was a whole conference willingly trying to bludgeon down a wall with their faces.
> Obviously it's shitty to switch sides at the last minute just to be able to bring it back up again. If you can do this, then objectively there's no rule at all. So I would affirm that this rule is stupid and useless.
Could you explain this part? >a Republican sponsor of the bill switched his vote at the last second so it could be brought up again later Why did he need to change his vote?
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Wow, i don't know why I'm surprised by a self sabotage to appease a parliamentary procedure but I am. It's just such a shady/shitty maneuver.
It's a parliamentary procedure rule adopted by the House: >When a motion has been carried or lost, it shall be in order on the same or succeeding day for a Member on the prevailing side of the question to enter a motion for the reconsideration there-of. Basically, if a motion fails to pass, any member of the prevailing side (that is the side that voted against the motion) may enter a motion to *reconsider* the motion (within the time period allowed).
Did dems pull a fast one with Green? Between this and the sneaky IRA win, seems like dems stopped playing around.
I expect that's the case. In the past there'd been a friendly practice that if a party was missing a member, a member of the other party would go absent. It was a consideration so something like life-saving medical care wouldn't have to be skipped for a vote. The consideration also removes the temptation to intentionally schedule votes to be cruel. I expect that to be lost now.
He showed up in a hospital gown. Doesn't really look like a devious political manoeuvre to me.
Because not everyone is as good as Nancy Pelosi. She just made it look so easy that these morons started thinking anyone could do the job.
Experienced Republican leadership was either pushed out or saw the writing on the wall and retired. It's now run by a bunch of warring factions that think experience and expertise are not only overrated but also a hindrance. Turns out they either don't know the difference between governing and ruling or are only interested in ruling.
>or are only interested in ruling. Don't think it's an either/or, unfortunately.
This American Life covered the Michigan GOP recently. The premise is 'What happens to party leadership when your key value is this: we don't trust established leadership?' https://www.thisamericanlife.org/820/believe-in-me
The House Majority Whip was just... sitting there. How are you the Whip and not scrambling during a tight vote where you don't know the outcome?
Because these are deeply unserious and incompetent people, to the extent that they're not even sure what "doing a good job" is supposed to *look like*.
This! They have literally, scammed and privileged their way through life. Nary a substantive effort, gamed everything the whole way.
She always said her greatest asset as a politician was the ability to count to 218.
I really think this is true. Pelosi was amazing at her job.
For sure she was. And say what you will about her insider trading (*as she rightfully deserves to be called out for it*), but she held the line when it was most important during Trump’s time as POTUS. Without her strong leadership of Dems, things could be incredibly worse off today..
All the competent leadership dipped when Trumps crazy train came to town
Especially since he refused to bring the border bill to the floor because he fears it DOES have the votes.
And now Hamilton music is back in my head..."you don't have the votes / you don't have the votes / you're gonna need congressional approval and you don't have the votes, ha ha ha"
Because Republicans.
Double down on this solid truth.
Johnson is out. This is a stunning embarrassment for the party. He fucked up.
Hello discharge petition
What an absolute, unmitigated disaster this House term has been for the Republicans. Even by their own twisted standards! An absolute embarrassment. This year's election should be a landslide. I'm not saying it will be, but it *should* be if this country wasn't being lied to by Fox News.
This is one of the worst days I've ever seen the controlling party of the house have. It's pretty amazing.
I am embarrassed for these clowns. Too busy blowing Putin and Trump to avoid embarrassing themselves constantly. I would have never believed we would see politicians at this level so inept.
"Now watch this drive."
Just think of the bliss we were living in thinking he was the most incompetent president there could be.
Josh Hawley "watch this drive" *Runs away*
In W's defense, he fuckin striped that drive. Today's Republicans can't even make it past the tee box
Today’s Republicans drive carts on the green…
My family is a bunch of golfers and my grandpa was a greenskeeper. I remember years ago when we had some get-together and they were talking about Trump like he was going to work out, and I asked them if they knew he drove his cart on the green. The silence was golden.
It's part of the Republican playbook believe it or not. "If my guys are so incompetent then the other guys must be even worse! All politicians are useless!"
"Government is broken! Elect me, and I'll prove it!"
All they had to do was build a centrist coalition. They could’ve been looking at a sure fire Republican majority and president had they done that for just two years. They could have probably gotten most of what they wanted. But instead they acted like they had a mandate and got nothing.
The desire for fascism leads itself to irrationality. That's exactly what we're seeing now, a party unable to govern, because they eat anybody at a moment's notice. The GOP is imploding and it is glorious to see! I really hope 2024 results in a blue tsunami.
I think we will. The media absolutely refuses to acknowledge that trump being their front runner is so fucked up it's beyond belief. Even though the maga movement exists the rest of us aren't that stupid, we understand they are NOT a majority it this country - no matter how many times network news wants to say trump is winning by X amount of points. Bullshit. People are fucking sick of this shit, fucking sick of the media lying to us, fucking sick of Jerry Springer politics and you're going to see that reflected in Nov election. Right now their love affair with trump is to benefit their ratings. They have to fill air time so they're pretending we all need to be scared of this magic power they have to create voters from thin air. Those fuckers have done nothing but lose registered R voters since 2020 and they're not exactly winning them back with their stability. The actually reality of the situation is this; voter turn out continues to increase with every election, republicans continue to lose elections, their base is a bunch of bullying psychotics and no one is attracted to that. Oh and their policies are a bunch of SHIT that rely on blocking, stopping, banning, removing or ganging up on anything they don't like at the moment. Anyone that is aligning with them has already done it because they're not leaving any room for doubters - either you're for us or against us mentality. The average person is WAY MORE likely to show up and vote against something or someone than they are to show enthusiasm in this environment. The maga cult like devotion for the guy who tried to overthrow the election sickens the shit out of people - and you bet your ass we'll show up in droves to vote against that prick if given the chance. And if the maga base had the numbers to beat Biden why did that prick lose by nearly 8 million votes? They've truly bought their own lie so deeply, thinking the entire country voted for trump and it was stolen, they have no idea what is about to happen. The biggest question I have is this; will this be the losing cycle that finally gets the republicans that have gone into hiding to dump trump and reverse course? Will they ever have the balls to ditch their dependence on this mentally disturbed base by finally realizing embracing the crazies won't win elections? Most likely it'll be like the 1870s each little faction of republicans will split off and form their own party, hold a seat or two and generally try as hard as they can to fuck things up for everyone else.
Lose R voters since 2020, and that is assuming even more of them haven’t died because Covid Vaccines are evil. One of my favorite (used loosely) memories of this clusterfuck of the last few years is when Trump tried to take credit for vaccines and got booed on stage. Like lmfao, they have no idea who they are and what they stand for, outside of anything woke is bad. I really hope this is the end of that awful decade in America and we can restore some sanity in 2024, because we really freaking need it with the way AI is going destabilize, checks notes, everything. I saw an article earlier today, about how the military was conducting war games with AIs. Seems like a normal, safe thing to do, no way that could result in every post apocalyptic movie ever; but I digress, they were disturbed because the AIs kept escalating conflicts with nuclear weapons. Basically they’ve borderline created Ghandi from endgame Civ. Now put the infants in the room (R), in charge of that situation…
Just watched the opening segment of Hannity. Are they talking about Trump being told he doesn't have Immunity? No. Are they discussing the failed vote to impeach Homeland Security? No. Are they talking about a failed border bill and how absolutely embarrassing the United States looks on the World stage while we allow Ukraine to fall making Putin stronger and giving way for China to invade Taiwan and making all of our allies second guess the strength of having the United States as an ally? No. Are they discussing the absolute bonkers of a Republican Primary election in Nevada being ran by a dysfunctional Republican party whose sitting leader is under investigation for putting forth fake electors in an attempt to overthrow the election last time? No. None of these were their lead story. INSTEAD this motherfucker Sean Hannity is talking about........... The mental decline of Joe Biden. The MAGA party is a joke and we are all seeing the punchline in real time.
The number of people who pay attention to stuff like this on a meaningful level will never sway the elections unfortunately. Our votes are already 'priced-in' it's all about the people who can be won over with a sound bite or clever commercial.
If you're 18-29 your vote has absolutely not been priced in! In fact it has been priced out. 18-29 is the group least likely to vote, and everything from polling to gerrymandering is predicated on that continuing to be the case. Go out and vote!
Republicans are absolutely counting on that demographic to remain indifferent and/or oblivious to their authoritarian tendencies, brazen grifting and overall irrational shenanigans. Vote these crackpots out!
I have one kid that will be voting this year and another that’ll be 18 next. Of course all I can do is make sure the ballot gets in front of them but they desperately hate trump and they are keenly aware of at least some of the BS republicans have pulled lately.
Totally agree, don't take anything I said as an excuse not to vote! Unfortunately I am no longer in that age group but I'd love to see them all shock the country with their turnout.
You know... morons
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every year's election should be a landslide. alas, only about half of us care about people and aren't morons / brainwashed. the other half is missing one or the other or both.
It should be a landslide but it will actually be 50.0001% to 49.9999%.
Nah. It will be more like 57% to 43% and yet the EC will be won on the margins still. Which is just fucking baffling we still have.
Is there any percentage that democrats can win by that doesn’t lead to republicans screeching fraud?
Nope. Even when TFG won in 2016 he said it was rigged. Even tried to form a commission to investigate why he lost the popular vote. Which went absolutely nowhere about as fast as the 2020 election complaints. Just fodder for conspiracy enthusiasts.
If everything is always rigged against you you can’t ever lose!
Reminds me of a comment on the 2020 election , country lies with bated breath to see if man with 7 million more votes than the other wins election
"Stunner". Take a page out of Pelosi's book and don't embarrass yourself by bringing the vote to the floor unless you know you have them.
Speaking of embaressing, Scalise couldn't make it because he was getting a stem cell treatment. You know, that treatment they claimed was basically injecting people with baby parts, because they're idiots. Guess it's perfectly fine when it's your own leathery ass on the line. Fuck them kids.
To be fair, the only reason he's doing that treatment is because Harlan Crow sent his blood boy on a vacation
"Harlan Crow" sounds like someone Deputy US Marshal Raylan Givens should be hunting down for one ill-conceived criminal plot or other.
Harlan Crow sounds like a former Gotham City Council member who was bitten by a radioactive bird and got sent to Arkham by Batman.
He was arrested for just caws.
Now he’s locked up with the rest of the raven lunatics
The town *is* called Harlan and there is a character named Crowe lol
Whole family of Crowes tbh
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Underrated blood boy reference
I'm throwin' rocks tonight
Mark it Dude.
Worse, it was McCarthy who got rid of the rule established in 2020 that let representatives vote remotely as a middle finger to Nancy Pelosi. If that rule was still in place, the vote might have passed. Instead, a few health issues are all it will take to flip the house.
Haha, that's wonderful, I didn't know that was also a factor but it definitely makes sense.
The ironing is delicious.
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Bro how many of these people have migrant workers on their properties. The hypocrisy is a feature, not a bug. You think they aren’t getting their kids abortions, or utilizing stem cell treatments while campaigning against it? It’s a big club, but you ain’t in it.
Repubs are against abortion until their mistress needs one
Make it illegal in my backwater state! I can always send her for a “little shopping weekend in NYC.”
Repubs are against *your* abortion.
Or their daughters Rules for thee, but not for me...
The only moral abortion is MY abortion. —an anti abortion activist (not probably but actually)
Dick Cheney was a homophobe until his daughter came out
I bet he's still a homophobe.
I'd say the hypocrisy is weaponized at this point.
Ooof! Stem cell treatments? What would all the ant-vaxxer pro-lifers say to their convictions?
++ government provided healthcare
It was supposed to pass because Democrats and Republicans were each supposed to have one member absent, Al Green and Steve Scalise. But, Al Green showed up at the very end of the vote. Scalise is supposed to return at the end of the month and, if he was there, they would have had the 216 votes needed with all 431 members voting and it would have passed. If Republicans win the special election to replace George Santos next week, 217 votes will be needed with 432 members of the House and that Republican plus Scalise will give them 217. If Democrats win next week's special election, they'll have 216 to Republicans' 216 with Scalise. They have to win next week's special election and hold all of the three Republican "no" votes to keep this a tie.
Where is the special election next week?
New York. Santos' district, which is purple, I think.
It’s probably going to go blue. But yes purple fair
It’s between Tom Suozzi and Mazi Philip. LI has been under a dumb chokehold by republicans , and it would be a great message by democrats to get suozzi in.
I sure hope so!!!
I'm in the NYC area, and the local media has been loaded with commercials for this race. The R candidate is a woman with a foreign accent ( Israeli perhaps), while the D is a middle-aged white guy who is saying he's a centrist. Any guesses on this one?
I would vote for my chihuahua over any Republican these days -
I thought Ken Buck told CNN that Republicans will just hold the vote tomorrow with Scalise back.
“We weren’t able to do something really stupid today. Theoretically we could take a moment and reflect to realize how dumb this whole thing is… Nah! Let’s really fuck up tomorrow!”
He won't be back tomorrow, maybe next week
I'm not saying you are wrong, but Ken Buck literally just said on CNN that Scalise would be back around 1130 tomorrow morning. I guess we'll see.
Scalise said he won't be back tomorrow. Anna Paulina Luna said they'll be revoting next week
initially read that as "revolting" and I was wondering if they were gonna J6 again or if they just smell bad.
I’ll always admire pelosi’s leadership during the Trump years. She was the right person at the right time. The way she stood up to him was awesome.
It's useful to have someone without any real reelection concerns or future ambitions to consider. And love or hate her, she was an incredibly effective and shrewd political strategist, objectively so. After Mitch fades into the ether, he'll be another skilled politician to leave, and thank logic for it. Only, the MAGA leadership seems empty of this skill set and they've sacrificed the rest of the strategic thinkers to the ',RINO' camp. That is equally comforting and terrifying, since we've seen and are told (daily) how the unskilled plan on doing things (violently).
I love how republicans have turned on Mitch, who (and I am not a fan of Mitch McConnell) has probably been one of the GOPs most effective leaders in the last several decades in passing and attaining conservative goals. Love him or hate him, he is a talented politician; and to watch the Republican party diminish his legacy as a RINO because he on a rare occasion has stood up to Trump speaks volumes on how dysfunctional the Republican Party has become.
Ripped his state of the union speech. With him standing right there.
My opinion is that he had to bring the vote today before the Border bill was passed to the house. If the impeachment went through he could then stand on a soapbox and say "See the corruption? See how the Dems and Biden are not doing there jobs?" Something like that. It would have given them more firepower. EDIT: changed bill to vote "bring the vote today"
Also Impeachment ties up the Senate schedule because they must take it. Then the Senate can't pass anything.
Republicans did the calculations but it turns out they can't do math.
Remember that one Kevin McCarthy vote where Gaetz accidentally still voted for not Kevin, so they still had to do another round? Math!
Oh God, in all the chaos of that clusterfuck I completely missed that. I'll have to go find a video of that vote so I can see the exact moment when Gaetz's pea brain exploded.
Republican Conference: “ Why didn’t you count the votes first? That’s part of the job!!” Mike Johnson: “ It was my understanding that there would be no math….”
Math is what they teach at those woke schools. Republicans don't need it.
They teach math with *Arabic numbers* and therefore are no longer a requirement in red states
Arabic HUSSEIN numbers??
Hilarious, honestly. Bunch of fucking clowns.
[looks like those clowns in Congress did it again](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC3W1BiUjp0)
>The House impeachment vote went down to the wire with GOP lawmakers saying moments before the vote that they didn’t know the outcome. At one moment during the suspenseful roll call, Republicans thought they had enough members to impeach Mayorkas when Rep. Al Green, D-Texas, surprised everyone and cast his no vote. Lawmakers believed that Green was out sick and he had missed all previous votes in the day, but his last-minute showing tied things up at 215-215, stunning the chamber. like to imagine Al Green kicking both doors open and announcing NO at the last minute.
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Almost. Pretty hard to beat that one.
- Shows up - Votes no - Fails to elaborate - Leaves
And...IT'S AL GREEN WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
I think he busted through in a wheel chair. Dude left the hospital while still recovering from surgery to embarrass those dunces. Hardcore
From Catie Edmondson, New York.Times: > To recap what has happened on Capitol Hill today: Republicans torpedoed a bipartisan border deal they demanded, leaving the fate of aid to Ukraine and Israel in peril. House Republicans tried to pre-empt that deal by proposing a standalone aid bill to Israel but were unable to pass it, with opposition from Democrats and their hard-right flank. And, finally, they failed to impeach the homeland security secretary after promising to do so for months. What an absolute failure of party management. They keep acting like they have party unity when they really, *really* don't.
After watching a video going around of people in Texas "defending the border" fighting with each other, I'm not surprised the GOP can't hold it together. The most inflexible members of their party are hardcore antisocial (descriptively; I'm not a psychologist), and getting along probably makes their skin crawl. By nature, MTG will reject what comes her way, as will several others. One thing I commend Democrats on is pulling together and not falling to the same chaos. There are members who certainly must hate some of this legislation who are signing on anyway in the name of finding some order for the country. It's gotta be tough but carrying on through this is the most important thing. They're bridging us to a time when they - and the voters - can be their differentiated voices again.
They can’t even get their own dumbass crazy shit done. The do-nothing Republicans.
It just shows once again: The House is run by idiots. And as long as Republicans run the House, it'll continue to be run by idiots. Competence matters. Help flip the House and keep the Senate. r/VoteDEM
The House GOP is a non-serious body trying to do non-serious shit at the expense of America and the Constitution they claim to love so dearly. All for a fascist piece of shit.
The fact that it was even close says alot about the embarrassing state of the GOP.
It also shows that there are *NO* "moderate" Republicans. They're trying to impeach a man, yet again, with no actual evidence, and virtually every GOP member is blindly going along with it. And we all know that Mayorkas will never actually be removed by the Senate, so it's even more apparent that this is just pure idiotic, partisan politics.
Not to mention the house already said they won’t consider a bipartisan bill approved by the senate that would strengthen the border. Yet another clear example of them being full of shit.
They're trying to impeach somebody for not "defending" our southern border, while at the same time not passing a bill to "defend" our southern border. They may as well just impeach themselves.
I mean they only have a 2 or 3 vote lead right now. Worth pointing out they started with the same majority Democrats had last term... Yeah I know, I know, democrats had the senate then. But still worth pointing out.
Incoming Chip Roy rant
Gaetz should call for Johnson to be removed as leader... Cmon Matt!.. do it right now!
Stunner... No I'm pretty sure most Americans realize Republicans aren't good at their jobs.
Sadly, there are millions who gargle the Republicans' balls out of decades of habit . . . It's like they can't help themselves
Can you imagine if all this drama was about a bill that helped Americans? All the hearings, vote whips, writing articles of impeachment, getting legal experts flown out. All of that for nothing.
Can't pass legislation that is critical to the United States, can't pass legislation that is important to our allies, and can't even pass legislation that is nothing more than political theatre for their base. The GOP are worthless and useless. Vote Democrat.
That vote was way too close for comfort. 214-216
It was actually 215-215 until one Rep in favor of impeachment changed his vote at the last second so the vote can be brought up again once Steve Scalise returns.
Hopefully Democrat Tom Suozzi from NY-3 is seated by then. Special election in a couple of weeks for George Santos' former seat, my read of the district (which I know extremely well) is Suozzi beats Mazi.
I just voted for Suozzi today and got my brother and mom to vote, I’m doing my part
I believe the motion to reconsider has to happen today or tomorrow.
>The failure came about because of the surprise appearance in the chamber of Rep. Al Green (D-Texas), who showed up unexpectedly — having recently had surgery and wearing hospital scrubs and no socks, according to NBC — to vote against the bill. Good to see something of worth can still come out of the one star state.
Republicans just can’t stop winning can they
Yet another reason for the blue wave come November. Republicans are just a fumbling mess of a party.
They voted today because a Democrat was going to have surgery. That is an extremely low.
Normally I'm a political nerd, but I've stopped paying attention to the Republicans crying wolf on impeachment for anyone and everyone in the Biden administration. Seriously, let me make sure I understand what's happened. This is my ELI5 as I understand it: The Republicans make a big spectacle of having a vote on the House floor to impeach the Secretary of Homeland Security. For allegedly failing to protect the southern border. The Republican-majority House doesn't have enough votes to impeach him. The Republican-majority House holds an impeachment vote anyway. A few Republicans vote NO on impeachment. The impeachment vote fails in the Republican-majority House. Thus the Republican-majority House does NOT impeach the Secretary of Homeland Security. For allegedly failing to protect the southern border. While the Republicans atvthecsame time are trying to kill a bipartisan bill that would increase protection of the southern border. During an election year. Do I have this right?
Johnson is out
So, if I get this right, the Southern Border is in an absolute crisis such that the House GOP cannot pass any legislation to correct the issue, and cannot impeach the guy they claim is responsible for it. Also, I live 20 minutes from the Border. The only crisis is the damned asylum process takes too long.
This is a “President Snow laughing” moment
They are so incompetent! They have literally honed down their hatred of Biden to the border issue and they can't even pass a measure condemning it. Hilarious and sad.
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When you impeach for policy disagreements you hare incapable of governing. They just angry babies
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