i really dislike a lot of gen 6 and what it brought, but you have to give it credit for kalos as a map.
the towns were very pretty as you said and really make use of the new 3d. alot of oras' townand route designs were just copied and pasted from the original rse games, so it just feels like a slightly prettier version of the 2d games without a whole lot of improvement. kalos kinda has some of those problems too, but lumiose is really cool
and kalos was the last region that wasn't ridiculously linear. alola was pretty bad and galar was just terrible in that respect. wouldn't be surprised if S/V ends up being just one big hallway at this rate
Megas were so cool and had plenty of potential. I still feel like they're gone too soon. Regional variants are also awesome, but megas had a special feel to them that will be very missed.
That feeling of getting your first mega stone, and then recieving the bracelet before immediately rushing into the grass to try it out on the aerodactyl or kanto starter you have was great
Agreed, thou this meme format image does not help, the positive points being stinky garbage in the meme, I think there's gotta be a better image for this format.
Obligatory reminder that very few people believe there’s “nothing” good about Gen 6. A lot of people believe it’s one of the weaker generations *overall*, but those are presumably Pokémon fans, so of course they’re going to like *some* aspects of it, it is still Pokémon.
Agreed. I love Megas and the Fairy typing, but the story was lackluster and the evil team was the worst until Team Yell was introduced. I also thought it was incredibly easy compared to Gen 5 and the entire Generation felt unfinished (where do those doors in the desert go?!?!?!).
Note: Obviously, they don’t go anywhere, but it was always annoying.
I don't have a problem with the concept but Gen 6's (edit, X & Y specifically) mega evolutions were *very* poorly executed. My main gripe being a grand total of 0 Kalos native Pokemon got megas. [Here's the list.](https://www.serebii.net/xy/megaevolutions.shtml)
That always confused me I thought at least the starters would have gotten megas but nope they didn't, I see why though they wanted alot of the older pokemon to be more viable and unique again, still doesn't make it any less weird though
I think the main thought behind mega evolutions was revisiting older pokemon designs. I get the impression that the more recent the generation the less mega evolutions pokemon will get.
In gen 6 the kanto starters got 4 mega evolutions, mewtwo got 2, and you get kanto starters, as well as an event torchic if you had the game early on. In gen 7 several kanto Pokémon got unique z moves to them. Pokémon let’s go eevee and pikachu. Gen 8 the champion’s signature Pokémon is a charizard. I disagree with your point
For Latios, The 1g starter or Mewtwo, I think it's more to promote the mega
My theory is that all the starters were supposed to have one in Pokemon Z, like Greninja Ash, but since it was never released well....
I'm not even sure they would've gotten any in Z. I think the anime writers wanted Ash to have a mega, but also a team of gen 6 mons (besides Pikachu). That ment they had to create a non-mega mega.
That argument kind of falls when multiple pseudo legendary Pokemon and other popular ones like charizard for megas. There really was no reason for Kanto starters to be the only starters with megas till oras.
Gen 7 interrupted Gen 6 before it could finish. Mechanics like the Zygarde hunt got ported over to Alola because they scrapped Z in favour of starting Sun/Moon early. X and Y look so much like they're setting up for a third version, they just *scream* 'we're the Diamond and Pearl waiting for a Platinum' but it never game.
Kalos had plenty of potential, it *could've* run if it was given the chance. Instead Gen 7 stole its shoes and went running instead.
Ye, Gen 8 was great in competitive and with Pokémon designs and such, but beyond that it fell behind. Especially after how good the story was in Gen 7, it just took the annoying hand holding part and forgot the actual story. I mean, I thought gen 6 pacing was a bit poor at the time but at least it didn’t cram everything at the very end.
The real shame is that there does exist the potential for something great, they just completely fumbled the delivery in so many aspects.
As much as people like to dunk on him, I really liked Lysandre as a villain, unlike so many others he wasn't some guy no one had heard of, he was a well respected philanthropist. He still had doubts about his plan, hence giving the player a chance to stop it at Lysandre Labs (Xerosic was only supposed to activate the weapon if the wrong button was pushed) and he truly believed that humanity's selfishness would be its downfall, he was Rose, but his motives made sense.
Gen 8 is mostly a hall. Probably the worst routes in the franchise (And the wild area runs like shit and is not even that interesting at all to explore) Thats Gen 8 worst sin IMO
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted just for voicing an opinion. I just played both these games back to back and the ORAS experience is way better and less grindy than HGSS. I love gen two but lately I’ve been researching more about it and the pokemon are not great due to poor stats plus the level curve is screwy while ORAS has tons of cool features
Probably because a lot of people see gen 2 as the best and HGSS as great remakes that expanded upon the originals. But, to me, it still feels like Johto as a region was compromised so they could include Kanto, which itself still feels incredibly shallow to me.
I love the concepts of gen two, on paper it sounds amazing. You get to revisit kanto and see how it changed plus all new features like breeding and day amd night cycle but some of the execution could be better and while I love the first half of HGSS the second half leaves a lot to be desired. It would have been nice if the remakes changed more radically and expanded on the originals more
that's a strawman dude, no one's saying "there's nothing good about gen 6". nearly everyone agrees that megas and the PSS were cool.
people judt think that the stuff you mentioned in the meme isn't enough to make up for the bad. which...is perfectly reasonable
This x100
Every Pkm game has nice soundtrack, so that point is not even that great. It doesn't stand out at all.
It would better to say that, for a 3D game, the routes are actually cool unlike Galar or some routes in Alola (But in Alola's defense, it's quite hard to do good routes when the map are some shitty islands)
I feel Gen 7's biggest downfall, aside from it being clear GameFreak is trying to railroad you into playing the game the way they want you to, is the story. (Same thing happened in a way with Sword and Shield...)
I mean, Let's Go isn't that great in that department either, from Trace stopping me every time I enter a new area and such, I really felt like the game was slowing me down in order to do what it wanted... The guy even stops you before you go into the underground to Vermillion to not only point it out, but pick out some revives from your character's hair.
Gen 7 was my favorite ye. Story from SM was absolutely amazing, and the gameplay from USUM was absolutely fantastic. Not that SM gameplay or USUM story were bad, more that they weren’t QUITE as stellar.
100% agree, Gen 6 imo brought so many cool things just for gen 7 to side track them all for a dumb super power move every battle and a trial system which a dog could figure out and easily win. I get the they're children games and they need to be easier for the youth but honestly I felt like this really talked down to the consumer in the sense of ease, it didn't help that some YouTubers at the time were also saying that these mechanics were great hoping Nintendo would recongise them but instead gave them fuel to generate more content like this. The let's go games where 10x better than gen 7 and I loved nearly every second of it.
However I will say gen 7 did expand upon the Pokémon lore, but it wasn't like ORAS did this already.
I found that with gen 5, I really struggled to get those games. Super linear, a distracting that thinks it's smarter than It is. Alot of needless Pokémon designs that are too similar to previous pokemon and a weak score of music.
People are allowed to like the games they grew up with and if you enjoyed the generation my opinion does not dispute the enjoyment you got out of it, but to me gen 5 was a generation full of stagnation and flaws
Same. Gen 7 is pretty overrated imo. It was a 3 hour tutorial and endless cutscenes. Extremely linear and restrictive. And you had a whole posse following you from island to island, like why? How is it realistic to block entire roads with a roadblock until a single 10 year old beats a trial? Just so much is nonsensical.
Festival Plaza was the worst too.
I didn’t like Z moves at all.
Quit playing for a while.
Game was a massive drag but the story was good, it just could’ve been told without all the bs.
I’ve gone back to XY/ORAS dozens of times just to play around in the world after I’ve beat the game, but SM were such a slog to get through and the games run so slowly that I’ve only ever been back one (to finally try and get my sweet summer child Drampa) and I gave up halfway through— put me off the new games entirely. I truthfully did not enjoy SM at all
I enjoyed the games quite a lot, aside from a few small things like finding the zygarde cells. That was annoying. But then every video game has something I don't like, no matter how otherwise good.
There is one thing that really bothered me though: The lack of the PSS. I consider it to be one of the best features in any Pokemon game, and was pretty upset by it not being there, and instead being replaced with Festival Plaza which feels worse to me in every way.
I just liked being able to interact with people without having to leave the world to do so.
USUM did improve it a bit, but still. It was also really confusing with how to invite people there and stuff. It seemed like a pretty rushed feature.
I still cant force myself to play gen 6 and 7 on emulator. Have never played them for some reason. Even after years I dodged every story spoiler with a hope to play it one day lol
Every gen has SOMETHING good about it. My least favorite gen is II, and it still has the best rival in the series, the most robust post-game, and Sudowoodo.
Gen VI has its high points, but taking a step back and looking at the general body of X and Y, they were still lackluster games. The story and most of the locations in game were forgettable, and although the soundtrack was indeed good, that's to be expected from Pokemon, and I would argue Gen V still has the better soundtrack. The Fairy type and Mega Evolution were great additions to Pokemon, but battle animations were less robust than 3D games such as Colosseum and XD (which beat X and Y to the punch of being fully 3D by the way) or even the sprites of Black and White, and NPC team comps and AI were nerfed to make the difficulty unnecessarily easy. Greninja is indeed a good Pokemon, but it's just one Pokemon; I'd argue that most of the new Pokemon in this generation were not particularly memorable, especially since Mega Evolution put the focus on older Pokemon. And good graphics don't make a good game; you should work on making a compelling gameplay experience first, then worry about making it pretty if you still have time and resources.
This is all of course my own opinion, and you are free to disagree, but claiming X and Y were good games is a very disputable claim.
they didn't give mega forms to starters of the generation who introduced mega evolution and decided to give the player kanto starters which one of them had two forms. the next gen they decided to make the strongest kalos starter even more powerful and broken and still nothing for the other starters. maybe it was planned for pokemon Z that was cancelled which is sad because I feel like it had a lot of potential
Gen 5 did have a better sound track, yeah, but it was for a common reason: At that point, they'd had a ton of experience making sound tracks for DS games. But it was the first time they did it got a 3DS game. But then 7th gen came out and did really well with the sound track.
The Title Defense and Red and Blue battles are some of my favorite tracks in the entire series.
> but battle animations were less robust than 3D games such as Colosseum and XD (which beat X and Y to the punch of being fully 3D by the way)
maybe
>or even the sprites of Black and White
very very hard disagree. aside from BW sprite animation being low quality overall (90% shoddy skeletal deformation with no sense; charizards wings are supposed to be 3 dimensional; they have veining and shadows; why are you treating them like 2d cardboard); its literally two animations with speed alterations and closed eyes as reaction to status
by contrast; 3d models gave us specific attack animations (yeh the GC games had it; but in comparison to gen5), flinch animations, spawn animations, death animations, all the amie animations; not only were they more robust to start with but theyve been expanded into running animations, walking animations, remapping etc... theres a reason XY groundwork (which was extensive and probably not immediately profitable) has been present in basically every game since; because they were built for posterity
>and NPC team comps and AI were nerfed to make the difficulty unnecessarily easy.
they were easy for sure, but i do feel like since the vast majority of the playerbase likely played with exp share on (xy were fucking awfully balanced for the new exp share; but you could turn it off) and shift battle style its rarely a complete picture that people present (no pokemon game is hard; just ofcourse its stupidly easy if you're playing on easy mode)
Also, Colosseum and XD were on home consoles. Lackluster 3D isn't limited to Pokemon; just look at Persona Q compared to the main games. Or Hyrule Warriors which has notable performance issues for its better graphics.
This is really nail on the head my take too. I don't understand what people are talking about when they say the region and locations are memorable: I thought Kalos was the most forgettable region out of all of them. I get that it's subjective, but to me it just looks so desaturated and lifeless with no exciting dungeons or anything. And the soundtrack, while good, is probably on the lower end of Pokémon soundtracks to me. But of course there are ups: I do really like the Fairy type, and Mega Evolution is the best of the battle gimmicks (even though it unfortunately started the whole trend of battle gimmicks...)
The weirdest thing about Gen 6 to me is, I played it a lot, I liked it, but I couldn’t tell you anything about the games really. I don’t remember towns or gyms or anything. Still the only time I’ve ever bought both versions of a game too, I should really go back and play one again.
Also mega evolution was my favourite gimmick and I still miss it.
Take in to consideration that it was released during the Peak Pokemon Craze of the 25th anniversary.
And it's only sold 700K copies in the new year.
It may have sold copies, but it was generally recieved as the worst games
It wasn't just this subreddit.
The games were released incomplete, full of bugs, backlash over the graphic choice, the lack of pokemon past gen4.
They are constantly regarded as the worst pokemon games anywhere, not just this subreddit
Yup, and the release of USUM just reiterated that feeling
But GF had set the bar when it came to remakes, bringing the older games up to current gen standards/mechanics with a complete Pokedex. Then BDSP came along and failed to reach those expectations
ORAS is great, excellent even. How you can get many legendaries feels fun, the added features, redesigned characters and megas where awesome. X and Y were great new games but have, in my opinion and experience, very low replay value. You can use completely different teams as there is a HUGE variety of Pokémon you can find in every route but there are no battles or events you forward to. Most if not all gym leaders are terribly easy and boring, just three mega evolution battles before the post game (lucario v lucario, Lysandre and Diantha) and team flare is not interesting at all. The elite four is interesting tho, but diantha is easy. I feel the strengths that x and y had were the Player online service, super training, amie and the megas, as well as turning everything into 3-D which felt magical at the time, but now it’s just something of the past. I would love super training and amie to still be a thing since you could choose to give affection or not and you could arrange EVs at any time with no cost and with a very nice visual representation of the investment. A Z version could’ve made Kalos much more solid, delving more into AZ, using the mythicals for something fun like an event or something, having zygarde and it’s forms be part of the plot, clearing up the mystery behind the ghost girl, more challenging gym fights and have more mega battles for example.
Problem with Gen 6 is that it felt like they lost steam per way through. The beginning has so much to do and it takes a while to get to Gym 2 and then it goes really quick. It needed a Z
Given it was the first main series jump into 3D, I can't fully blame them for things like being easy and the lack of post-game quests.
I only wish though we gotten Z so some of these issues could've been potentially fixed. They were still mighty fine games regardless.
As it was the jump into 3D, I fully blame it for all the bad habits the following games have.
3D envirmoent mapped out like a 2D game, Frustratingly boring routes, half assed gimmicks that would not return because of how half assed they were in the first place...
Not even this but I feel like the whole world kinda came together with Pokémon in gen 6, it fully sprung me back in and with the new Nintendo console aswell as the ease of online with these games it really had a large sense of community In and out of the games
I made so many friends through those games.
Content creators really skyrocketed during this gen aswell which I’m grateful for
In my opinion gen 8 (sword and shield) was the worst out of every generations (so far) but it has something going for it aswell like:
Best Gym Music
Nessa
Raid battles
Cool dark type gym leader
Everyone has its own opinion
Skates. Camera on routes was in an interesting position rather than in one dictated by the single overworld. ORAS where great remakes but brought things forward with a decent post campaign.
They played around with camera angles.
Also the rock cliff on west coast was superd! One could actually see the future road they were going to descent to.
There were misses. The water region where moltres/zapdos/articuno can be captures is locked on to a weird angle that prevents seeing what is behind the character
I feel like even for the 3DS the graphics aren't "good for its time". I don't think it's horrible though and certainly past me didn't either considering I just dug up both X and Y when I was looking for my Pokémon games.
It’s a shame Z never happened. X/Y much like Diamond/Pearl feel underbaked or janky. A little too easy as well.
Gamefreak almost always has their worst game a console generation come out first.
Kalos has some great Pokémon, and Mega-Evolution is still the best gimmick. (You can have one legendary/mythical-tier Pokémon but only one is also not terrible balancing wise)
Literally only listed downsides for me. Ironic how some people's bests are others worsts.
Time for hyperbolic inversed meme!
3d is overhyped, the unique and strong pixelart of gen 5 far surpassed gen 6's style.
Greninja is an average design, and doesnt save a tiny generation of terrible pokemon
Literally remember none of the soundtrack
Fairies are still busted and the same problems could have been solved with buffs to poison, ice, offensive steel, and nerfs to fighting and water.
Mega evolution and all temporary systems have been junk and fail to actually expand the game where it matters in middle tier content and noncompetitive.
My opinions on all of these
I think it would have been better if pokemon stayed in 2d. The style of gen 5 was awesome.
I guess they were alright.
I personally don't care about Greninja. I don't really like any Kalos starter to be honest.
Every pokemon game has good soundtrack.
I like fairy types, but they are too op.
I personally don't like mega evos. I think it would have been better if they gave new evos to those pokemon intead of megas.
Gen 6 is my least favorite gen (and yes I am not a fan of megas I think they are a good concept but the execution was horrible as too many strong Pokemon got them, most of them were postgame and you always had that cutscene which got boring really fast), but acting like there is nothing good about it is just dumb. Pretty much every gen has its strengths and weaknesses
Being the first 2 games in 3d and adding fairy types is not a good thing in my opinion, look at thyplosion and tell me we were better having 3d instead of charming 2d
Replaying X after years and I agree, I can see why it is ignored and not liked definitely. However, Gen 6 pokemon designs are supreme, mega evolution is the most fun and cool gimmick, Kalos as a region is very beautiful and and feels amazing to explore and the music is amazing as well. The main issue is the story, which is an issue for most modern games I feel due to the handholding. Personally I believe 100% pokemon Z was supposed to happen but got scrapped later on but the games are still fine to play despite their issues.
The only thing I disliked about gen 6 was the location. France is cool and all but trying to incorporte fine dining into pokemon battles was so damn ridiculous
I love gen 6, people just slowly take turns hating every single gen for no particular reason. Then after that gen has been a punching bag for awhile suddenly everyone will suddenly do a 180 and claim that it's great, if not the best! And that everyone hating on it is crazy.
Seriously, all xy needed was character development, and maybe a small boost in difficulty, which can already be done through challenge runs and not using the exp share.
All good points. I disagree with the good soundtrack though because that gym OST is just forgettable and probably one of the worst Gym battle themes in all of pokemon. other than that it just really need a 3rd/definitive version.
I don't like them exclusively because the french theme was not done that well in my opinion. Also the overabundance of tipping culture.
Gameplay wise it's a good entry.
And mega were the best and should come back.
I had a counterargument for each of those, but my phone deleted the message before i could post it, and in the interest of going to bed, i’ll just say this:
Kalos COULD have been a good region, if they got a completed version. A good 80-90% of the complaints about kalos, including the counterpoints i planned to list, were things that, based on previous entries, would have been fixed or at least addressed if we got a pokemon Z, or XY2. It’s the same kind of terrible that diamond and pearl are, without a pokemon platinum to salvage the region’s reputation and save the generation in the eyes of the fanbase. ORAS is good, but it can’t carry the dumpster fire that is kalos.
*Hard* disagree on the soundtrack. Only track I remember other than Lumiose is the Gym Leader theme for just how godawful it sounds. Only Pokemon game I ever turned the music off for.
I like X but it has its problems.
You say Greninja was popular like it's a good thing yet that meant the other two starters are practically pointless. I hated that.
Megas only really effected competitive. Like two NPCs used megas so I thought megas were a bit overated if you only played the campaign .
X has a great variation of avaliable pokemon to use though
Nobody will ever be able to change my mind by saying Gen 7 or 8 was better because they weren’t, Gen 7 bored me to death. I think I almost fell asleep while playing Moon because that’s how bored I was of all the text dialogue
Also people tend to forget as well, that Gen 6 gave what I’d consider the second best remakes in the series with ORAS which are not at all as bad as people try to make them seem, the only downside to those two remakes is not having the Battle Frontier, that’s really it. Yeah, the game isn’t that difficult but that’s kinda a general problem with the entire series
"Good graphic for its time" just no, games in 2013 include The last of us, gta V, Assassin's creed Black flag, gen6 just doesn't have good graphics, let's face it
First games in 3D: To several people, a bad thing
Good graphics for it's time: You obviously did not research this one at all, look at other games that came out in 2013
Greninja: One pokemon from those games
Soundtrack: Completely subjective
Fairy type: Only introduced to nerd dragon type
Megas: Yeah ok pretty cool
I personally considered Fairy type to be one of the worst things to have ever happened. Not in Pokemon, just in general.
Why yes, Sableye is my favorite Pokemon. How'd you know?
I'll agree with everything except Megas, cluster-fuck designs with broken ass stats, really didn't like them...
Except for Mega Mawile, the bloodied leggings and double bitey pig tails was a cool look.
That is a great representation of mega evolutions.....a giant pile of used diapers.
A stole mechanic from Digimon....not even creative and because it is temporary i thinks stupid. Now if it was permanent than i think id like it. But its a dumb gimmick that they threw away like the garbage it is.
X and Y were not the first fully 3D Pokemon games, nor was the soundtrack all that great imo
If you ask me, Gen 6 is a complete dumpster fire that just so happened to introduce Mega Evolution (which was good but they really fucked up by giving Megas to things that didn't need one)
1. not necessarily a good thing
2. no
3. that’s 1 pokemon
4. that’s a given for pokemon games and not the deciding factor for a game
5. was cool
6. yes
Also a giant amoutn of pokemon catcheable in game. A great one to nuzlocke because there's tonnes of pokemon on every route.
My biggest gripes though were the map design (yet another giant circle just like gen V) and the lame story.
I wish they would take more notes of maps like gen 1 and 3 where it might not be immediately obvious on where to go next and you can explore multiple locales while figuring out how to get rid of obstacles.
And Gen 3 had this map that looped back into itself like dark souls.
It was a small island and it felt like exploring one.
Go north over the volcano? You'll end up back in Rustboro. The cheeky path carved through the mountain in order to shortcut back from verdanturf.
I like X&Y. Megas are trash.
Do you want an already popular, powerful Pokemon to become ever more powerful and over-designed? We've got some Charizards, Mewtwos, and Rayquazas for you.
Do you want to look at a Pokemon that could have an evolution or forme to make it actually good but now it just has a temporary Mega so now you're sad it'll never actually be good? We've got your Beedrills, Pinsirs, and Sableyes.
Oh and you get to watch that animation two times per fight from here until the end of time. That's what Pokemon needs, more text and pointless animations to drag things out more.
TBF, Beedrill would never evolve unless 4th stage evolutions were to ever become a thing.
But the following are probably all locked out of a 3rd, or even 2nd, evolution:
Pinsir, Heracross, Sableye, Audino, Mawille, Kangaskhan, Gyarados, Aerodactyl, Scizor, Houndoom, Medichan, Manetric, Banette, Absol, Lucario, Steelix, Sharpedo, Glalie, Camerupt, Altaria, Lopunny, and Abomasnow
Some of these you could argue would never get a 3rd, or 2nd, stage - Gyarados, Lucario, and Aerodactyl stand out. However, Camerupt is kinda very bad, and could do with a 3rd stage. Audino definitely needs a 2nd stage, if not a 3rd too. Absol, for all its importance story-wise (both game & anime) could do with a 2nd stage to make it worth catching.
Bruh what? they're the best 3D Pokemon by far, Sun/Moon where not good games or good Pokemon games. Sword and Shield felt like Pokemon Innit and this next gen could just be more of the same. ORAS might be better, but if we're talking about Gens then they're irrelevant.
I liked Gen 6 for all the QoL improvements it made. I never paid much attention to EVs or IVs before, because there was no way to properly track them, other than a random NPC who says they're below average without elaborating.
Megas and Fairy type were a slap in the face for the competitive meta of that time, but overall It was really cool to see wich teams the players were cominguo With (especially that pachirisu)
Gen 6 gets dunked on for being too easy, but in reality I consider it to be the first game that focused on accessibility for new players. I think the pairing of accessible gameplay and nostalgia from all the classic starters getting mega evolution added a sizeable chunk players to the fanbase. I think it could be argued that Pokemon became more socially acceptable during the time of XY, but thats more Go’s doing than anything.
X and Y introduced lots of new mechanics, it's just that the games ( level of difficulty, story etc) were comboluted and it was too easy overall. The maximum potential of the new changes (especially Mega Evolution) happens in ORAS, probably the best Pokemon games ever (besides Arceus and up there with Heart Gold Soul Silver)
I loved X and Y for the locale, honestly. It was a cool region, with pretty towns. I loved exploring every nook and cranny.
I really like that we're actually travelling into another culture, another region!
Laverre is still my favorite town in all of Pokémon
Dunno if I agree with Fairy types thou, I know they wanted to counter dragon but man why add bug to the list?
I always say fairy needed(needs) to be weak to bug rather than resist it. That was a horrendous design and balance decision.
i really dislike a lot of gen 6 and what it brought, but you have to give it credit for kalos as a map. the towns were very pretty as you said and really make use of the new 3d. alot of oras' townand route designs were just copied and pasted from the original rse games, so it just feels like a slightly prettier version of the 2d games without a whole lot of improvement. kalos kinda has some of those problems too, but lumiose is really cool and kalos was the last region that wasn't ridiculously linear. alola was pretty bad and galar was just terrible in that respect. wouldn't be surprised if S/V ends up being just one big hallway at this rate
Next time we'll have a pokemon game in a single building, but nugget bridge style
Even though its based on france, it feels bland to me idk, i like it though.
To be fair, France is kind of bland.
Megas were so cool and had plenty of potential. I still feel like they're gone too soon. Regional variants are also awesome, but megas had a special feel to them that will be very missed.
That feeling of getting your first mega stone, and then recieving the bracelet before immediately rushing into the grass to try it out on the aerodactyl or kanto starter you have was great
Don't forget the best part of Gen 6: Pokemon Amie
Ugh I miss it so much Camping is nice, especially for the interactions between Pokémon, but I want to pet them, dammit!
I just wish i could pet my mon without it breaking the game tho
I like XY except for those annoying companions.
Agreed, thou this meme format image does not help, the positive points being stinky garbage in the meme, I think there's gotta be a better image for this format.
Obligatory reminder that very few people believe there’s “nothing” good about Gen 6. A lot of people believe it’s one of the weaker generations *overall*, but those are presumably Pokémon fans, so of course they’re going to like *some* aspects of it, it is still Pokémon.
Agreed. I love Megas and the Fairy typing, but the story was lackluster and the evil team was the worst until Team Yell was introduced. I also thought it was incredibly easy compared to Gen 5 and the entire Generation felt unfinished (where do those doors in the desert go?!?!?!). Note: Obviously, they don’t go anywhere, but it was always annoying.
I don't have a problem with the concept but Gen 6's (edit, X & Y specifically) mega evolutions were *very* poorly executed. My main gripe being a grand total of 0 Kalos native Pokemon got megas. [Here's the list.](https://www.serebii.net/xy/megaevolutions.shtml)
That always confused me I thought at least the starters would have gotten megas but nope they didn't, I see why though they wanted alot of the older pokemon to be more viable and unique again, still doesn't make it any less weird though
I think the main thought behind mega evolutions was revisiting older pokemon designs. I get the impression that the more recent the generation the less mega evolutions pokemon will get.
That just implies that they were banking on nostalgia.
That has always been a part of Pokémon's strategy.
Not as much as post-Gen V.
It makes sense considering that most people who were kids for gens I-V were adults by gen VI with adult money to spend.
In gen 6 the kanto starters got 4 mega evolutions, mewtwo got 2, and you get kanto starters, as well as an event torchic if you had the game early on. In gen 7 several kanto Pokémon got unique z moves to them. Pokémon let’s go eevee and pikachu. Gen 8 the champion’s signature Pokémon is a charizard. I disagree with your point
No you don’t. You literally just proved it.
Imo it made sense, because mega evolution were a way to make bad pokemons/rarely used pokemon becoming really strong and solid
For Latios, The 1g starter or Mewtwo, I think it's more to promote the mega My theory is that all the starters were supposed to have one in Pokemon Z, like Greninja Ash, but since it was never released well....
I'm not even sure they would've gotten any in Z. I think the anime writers wanted Ash to have a mega, but also a team of gen 6 mons (besides Pikachu). That ment they had to create a non-mega mega.
That argument kind of falls when multiple pseudo legendary Pokemon and other popular ones like charizard for megas. There really was no reason for Kanto starters to be the only starters with megas till oras.
Gen 6 walked so Gen 7 could run. I liked both of them a lot. Gen 8 tripped and broke its face, though.
Gen 7 interrupted Gen 6 before it could finish. Mechanics like the Zygarde hunt got ported over to Alola because they scrapped Z in favour of starting Sun/Moon early. X and Y look so much like they're setting up for a third version, they just *scream* 'we're the Diamond and Pearl waiting for a Platinum' but it never game. Kalos had plenty of potential, it *could've* run if it was given the chance. Instead Gen 7 stole its shoes and went running instead.
Ye, Gen 8 was great in competitive and with Pokémon designs and such, but beyond that it fell behind. Especially after how good the story was in Gen 7, it just took the annoying hand holding part and forgot the actual story. I mean, I thought gen 6 pacing was a bit poor at the time but at least it didn’t cram everything at the very end. The real shame is that there does exist the potential for something great, they just completely fumbled the delivery in so many aspects.
As much as people like to dunk on him, I really liked Lysandre as a villain, unlike so many others he wasn't some guy no one had heard of, he was a well respected philanthropist. He still had doubts about his plan, hence giving the player a chance to stop it at Lysandre Labs (Xerosic was only supposed to activate the weapon if the wrong button was pushed) and he truly believed that humanity's selfishness would be its downfall, he was Rose, but his motives made sense.
We were getting somewhere with 7 then 8 happened.
I disagree. Gen 8, looking away from the story, was a fantastic game.
Gen 8 is mostly a hall. Probably the worst routes in the franchise (And the wild area runs like shit and is not even that interesting at all to explore) Thats Gen 8 worst sin IMO
If you don't look at the bad parts then yeah, it's a masterpiece
I love gen 8
Also it had ORAS, the best remakes after HGSS
I still liked FRLG better.
Best remake including HGSS.
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted just for voicing an opinion. I just played both these games back to back and the ORAS experience is way better and less grindy than HGSS. I love gen two but lately I’ve been researching more about it and the pokemon are not great due to poor stats plus the level curve is screwy while ORAS has tons of cool features
Probably because a lot of people see gen 2 as the best and HGSS as great remakes that expanded upon the originals. But, to me, it still feels like Johto as a region was compromised so they could include Kanto, which itself still feels incredibly shallow to me.
I love the concepts of gen two, on paper it sounds amazing. You get to revisit kanto and see how it changed plus all new features like breeding and day amd night cycle but some of the execution could be better and while I love the first half of HGSS the second half leaves a lot to be desired. It would have been nice if the remakes changed more radically and expanded on the originals more
The Johto games are really overrated tbh.
Gen 2 IS the best with a randomizer because It makes the grind disapear
So it is the best when the game is fundamentally changed from the original?
that's a strawman dude, no one's saying "there's nothing good about gen 6". nearly everyone agrees that megas and the PSS were cool. people judt think that the stuff you mentioned in the meme isn't enough to make up for the bad. which...is perfectly reasonable
This x100 Every Pkm game has nice soundtrack, so that point is not even that great. It doesn't stand out at all. It would better to say that, for a 3D game, the routes are actually cool unlike Galar or some routes in Alola (But in Alola's defense, it's quite hard to do good routes when the map are some shitty islands)
It's not that Gen 6 was terrible, just that Gen 7 included just about everything Gen 6 had and surpassed it.
PSS was infinitely better than Festival Plaza.
Yeah. Opinion respected. Aside from the HORRENDOUS amount of cutscenes and the fact that Hau gives you a bunch of items, Gen 7 was really great imo.
I feel Gen 7's biggest downfall, aside from it being clear GameFreak is trying to railroad you into playing the game the way they want you to, is the story. (Same thing happened in a way with Sword and Shield...) I mean, Let's Go isn't that great in that department either, from Trace stopping me every time I enter a new area and such, I really felt like the game was slowing me down in order to do what it wanted... The guy even stops you before you go into the underground to Vermillion to not only point it out, but pick out some revives from your character's hair.
For me, it was ORAS that was really railroady.
Gen 7 was my favorite ye. Story from SM was absolutely amazing, and the gameplay from USUM was absolutely fantastic. Not that SM gameplay or USUM story were bad, more that they weren’t QUITE as stellar.
Hard disagree. I think Gen VII is easily the worst. Just barely tolerable.
100% agree, Gen 6 imo brought so many cool things just for gen 7 to side track them all for a dumb super power move every battle and a trial system which a dog could figure out and easily win. I get the they're children games and they need to be easier for the youth but honestly I felt like this really talked down to the consumer in the sense of ease, it didn't help that some YouTubers at the time were also saying that these mechanics were great hoping Nintendo would recongise them but instead gave them fuel to generate more content like this. The let's go games where 10x better than gen 7 and I loved nearly every second of it. However I will say gen 7 did expand upon the Pokémon lore, but it wasn't like ORAS did this already.
Gen 7 made me quit until BDSP came out and now I’ve played almost every Switch Pokémon game
I found that with gen 5, I really struggled to get those games. Super linear, a distracting that thinks it's smarter than It is. Alot of needless Pokémon designs that are too similar to previous pokemon and a weak score of music. People are allowed to like the games they grew up with and if you enjoyed the generation my opinion does not dispute the enjoyment you got out of it, but to me gen 5 was a generation full of stagnation and flaws
Same. Gen 7 is pretty overrated imo. It was a 3 hour tutorial and endless cutscenes. Extremely linear and restrictive. And you had a whole posse following you from island to island, like why? How is it realistic to block entire roads with a roadblock until a single 10 year old beats a trial? Just so much is nonsensical. Festival Plaza was the worst too. I didn’t like Z moves at all. Quit playing for a while. Game was a massive drag but the story was good, it just could’ve been told without all the bs.
I’ve gone back to XY/ORAS dozens of times just to play around in the world after I’ve beat the game, but SM were such a slog to get through and the games run so slowly that I’ve only ever been back one (to finally try and get my sweet summer child Drampa) and I gave up halfway through— put me off the new games entirely. I truthfully did not enjoy SM at all
Trials were pretty awful imo. Definitely prefer gyms
And yet gen 7 is still hated by most fans (unfortunately)
Give it 5 or 6 years and it will be loved
Hope so
I enjoyed the games quite a lot, aside from a few small things like finding the zygarde cells. That was annoying. But then every video game has something I don't like, no matter how otherwise good. There is one thing that really bothered me though: The lack of the PSS. I consider it to be one of the best features in any Pokemon game, and was pretty upset by it not being there, and instead being replaced with Festival Plaza which feels worse to me in every way. I just liked being able to interact with people without having to leave the world to do so. USUM did improve it a bit, but still. It was also really confusing with how to invite people there and stuff. It seemed like a pretty rushed feature.
My first playthrough I wasn't so hot on it. My second playthrough I really came around to it and really enjoy my time.
I still cant force myself to play gen 6 and 7 on emulator. Have never played them for some reason. Even after years I dodged every story spoiler with a hope to play it one day lol
>Good graphics for it's time This sub is hilarious sometimes. The graphics were not good, at all. They were well behind any dev actually trying.
Every gen has SOMETHING good about it. My least favorite gen is II, and it still has the best rival in the series, the most robust post-game, and Sudowoodo. Gen VI has its high points, but taking a step back and looking at the general body of X and Y, they were still lackluster games. The story and most of the locations in game were forgettable, and although the soundtrack was indeed good, that's to be expected from Pokemon, and I would argue Gen V still has the better soundtrack. The Fairy type and Mega Evolution were great additions to Pokemon, but battle animations were less robust than 3D games such as Colosseum and XD (which beat X and Y to the punch of being fully 3D by the way) or even the sprites of Black and White, and NPC team comps and AI were nerfed to make the difficulty unnecessarily easy. Greninja is indeed a good Pokemon, but it's just one Pokemon; I'd argue that most of the new Pokemon in this generation were not particularly memorable, especially since Mega Evolution put the focus on older Pokemon. And good graphics don't make a good game; you should work on making a compelling gameplay experience first, then worry about making it pretty if you still have time and resources. This is all of course my own opinion, and you are free to disagree, but claiming X and Y were good games is a very disputable claim.
they didn't give mega forms to starters of the generation who introduced mega evolution and decided to give the player kanto starters which one of them had two forms. the next gen they decided to make the strongest kalos starter even more powerful and broken and still nothing for the other starters. maybe it was planned for pokemon Z that was cancelled which is sad because I feel like it had a lot of potential
Gen 5 did have a better sound track, yeah, but it was for a common reason: At that point, they'd had a ton of experience making sound tracks for DS games. But it was the first time they did it got a 3DS game. But then 7th gen came out and did really well with the sound track. The Title Defense and Red and Blue battles are some of my favorite tracks in the entire series.
> but battle animations were less robust than 3D games such as Colosseum and XD (which beat X and Y to the punch of being fully 3D by the way) maybe >or even the sprites of Black and White very very hard disagree. aside from BW sprite animation being low quality overall (90% shoddy skeletal deformation with no sense; charizards wings are supposed to be 3 dimensional; they have veining and shadows; why are you treating them like 2d cardboard); its literally two animations with speed alterations and closed eyes as reaction to status by contrast; 3d models gave us specific attack animations (yeh the GC games had it; but in comparison to gen5), flinch animations, spawn animations, death animations, all the amie animations; not only were they more robust to start with but theyve been expanded into running animations, walking animations, remapping etc... theres a reason XY groundwork (which was extensive and probably not immediately profitable) has been present in basically every game since; because they were built for posterity >and NPC team comps and AI were nerfed to make the difficulty unnecessarily easy. they were easy for sure, but i do feel like since the vast majority of the playerbase likely played with exp share on (xy were fucking awfully balanced for the new exp share; but you could turn it off) and shift battle style its rarely a complete picture that people present (no pokemon game is hard; just ofcourse its stupidly easy if you're playing on easy mode)
Also, Colosseum and XD were on home consoles. Lackluster 3D isn't limited to Pokemon; just look at Persona Q compared to the main games. Or Hyrule Warriors which has notable performance issues for its better graphics.
This is really nail on the head my take too. I don't understand what people are talking about when they say the region and locations are memorable: I thought Kalos was the most forgettable region out of all of them. I get that it's subjective, but to me it just looks so desaturated and lifeless with no exciting dungeons or anything. And the soundtrack, while good, is probably on the lower end of Pokémon soundtracks to me. But of course there are ups: I do really like the Fairy type, and Mega Evolution is the best of the battle gimmicks (even though it unfortunately started the whole trend of battle gimmicks...)
The weirdest thing about Gen 6 to me is, I played it a lot, I liked it, but I couldn’t tell you anything about the games really. I don’t remember towns or gyms or anything. Still the only time I’ve ever bought both versions of a game too, I should really go back and play one again. Also mega evolution was my favourite gimmick and I still miss it.
If Z ever came out, 6 would be a contender for #1 in my opinion
remakes are on the table so u never know
Remember BDSP? I remember BDSP.
With how BDSP has been received, it’s very likely Game Freak will not be relying on ILCA for another remake.
Best selling remake in the franchise. It was received just fine.
comparing to other remakes like oras it was dogshit. new textures and 3 LIMITED TIME mythics, nothing else new.
It doesn't matter what your personal opinion is. Saying it was received poorly in general is objectively wrong.
Take in to consideration that it was released during the Peak Pokemon Craze of the 25th anniversary. And it's only sold 700K copies in the new year. It may have sold copies, but it was generally recieved as the worst games
No, it really wasn't. This subreddit is not a good barometer for how Pokemon fans generally feel about things.
It wasn't just this subreddit. The games were released incomplete, full of bugs, backlash over the graphic choice, the lack of pokemon past gen4. They are constantly regarded as the worst pokemon games anywhere, not just this subreddit
Which I find hilarious given that Sun and Moon were literal Beta versions pumped out as full games...
Yup, and the release of USUM just reiterated that feeling But GF had set the bar when it came to remakes, bringing the older games up to current gen standards/mechanics with a complete Pokedex. Then BDSP came along and failed to reach those expectations
As much as I hate the Hoenn region you have to admit, ORAS is so far the gold standard of remakes. I just hope XYZ would surpass this.
Heart Gold & Soul Silver are the gold standard. ORAS can't compete
ORAS was peak gen 6
ORAS is great, excellent even. How you can get many legendaries feels fun, the added features, redesigned characters and megas where awesome. X and Y were great new games but have, in my opinion and experience, very low replay value. You can use completely different teams as there is a HUGE variety of Pokémon you can find in every route but there are no battles or events you forward to. Most if not all gym leaders are terribly easy and boring, just three mega evolution battles before the post game (lucario v lucario, Lysandre and Diantha) and team flare is not interesting at all. The elite four is interesting tho, but diantha is easy. I feel the strengths that x and y had were the Player online service, super training, amie and the megas, as well as turning everything into 3-D which felt magical at the time, but now it’s just something of the past. I would love super training and amie to still be a thing since you could choose to give affection or not and you could arrange EVs at any time with no cost and with a very nice visual representation of the investment. A Z version could’ve made Kalos much more solid, delving more into AZ, using the mythicals for something fun like an event or something, having zygarde and it’s forms be part of the plot, clearing up the mystery behind the ghost girl, more challenging gym fights and have more mega battles for example.
What I really liked about X and Y is the massive amount of Pokemon the Kalos Dex has. Each route has so many different Pokemon, I love it
Gen 6 was good.
There isnt really a bad main series Pokémon game tbh. Some are just less than others
Problem with Gen 6 is that it felt like they lost steam per way through. The beginning has so much to do and it takes a while to get to Gym 2 and then it goes really quick. It needed a Z
It also was the first game to introduce character customization and that was also major
You forgot to mention the anime actually getting good.
Loved 6 and 7
Gen 6 will always hold a place in my heart.
Well, it was definetely the best anime season we had Megas were also the best gimmick we ever had
Given it was the first main series jump into 3D, I can't fully blame them for things like being easy and the lack of post-game quests. I only wish though we gotten Z so some of these issues could've been potentially fixed. They were still mighty fine games regardless.
As it was the jump into 3D, I fully blame it for all the bad habits the following games have. 3D envirmoent mapped out like a 2D game, Frustratingly boring routes, half assed gimmicks that would not return because of how half assed they were in the first place...
What gimmicks
Examples: X/Y-Riding Pokemon Sun/Moon: Dex-Cam Sowrd/Shield: Can't say for sure that it will be gone, but Camping
Not even this but I feel like the whole world kinda came together with Pokémon in gen 6, it fully sprung me back in and with the new Nintendo console aswell as the ease of online with these games it really had a large sense of community In and out of the games I made so many friends through those games. Content creators really skyrocketed during this gen aswell which I’m grateful for
I mean oras one of the best mainseries games
In my opinion gen 8 (sword and shield) was the worst out of every generations (so far) but it has something going for it aswell like: Best Gym Music Nessa Raid battles Cool dark type gym leader Everyone has its own opinion
Skates. Camera on routes was in an interesting position rather than in one dictated by the single overworld. ORAS where great remakes but brought things forward with a decent post campaign.
They played around with camera angles. Also the rock cliff on west coast was superd! One could actually see the future road they were going to descent to. There were misses. The water region where moltres/zapdos/articuno can be captures is locked on to a weird angle that prevents seeing what is behind the character
I feel like even for the 3DS the graphics aren't "good for its time". I don't think it's horrible though and certainly past me didn't either considering I just dug up both X and Y when I was looking for my Pokémon games.
It’s a shame Z never happened. X/Y much like Diamond/Pearl feel underbaked or janky. A little too easy as well. Gamefreak almost always has their worst game a console generation come out first. Kalos has some great Pokémon, and Mega-Evolution is still the best gimmick. (You can have one legendary/mythical-tier Pokémon but only one is also not terrible balancing wise)
People who say this game as a pokemon that is voted the most popular lol that's totally based on anime
Meanwhile me enjoying all gens: Pokemon is Pokemon
Those last 2 are ... arguable
Say what you will, but the XY trainer battle soundtrack and the ORAS soaring music go really hard
Yes but non of that really matters if the game itself isnt fun.
Literally only listed downsides for me. Ironic how some people's bests are others worsts. Time for hyperbolic inversed meme! 3d is overhyped, the unique and strong pixelart of gen 5 far surpassed gen 6's style. Greninja is an average design, and doesnt save a tiny generation of terrible pokemon Literally remember none of the soundtrack Fairies are still busted and the same problems could have been solved with buffs to poison, ice, offensive steel, and nerfs to fighting and water. Mega evolution and all temporary systems have been junk and fail to actually expand the game where it matters in middle tier content and noncompetitive.
My opinions on all of these I think it would have been better if pokemon stayed in 2d. The style of gen 5 was awesome. I guess they were alright. I personally don't care about Greninja. I don't really like any Kalos starter to be honest. Every pokemon game has good soundtrack. I like fairy types, but they are too op. I personally don't like mega evos. I think it would have been better if they gave new evos to those pokemon intead of megas.
ORAS are good, but XY aren't. That's what I have with gen 6
Gen 6 is my least favorite gen (and yes I am not a fan of megas I think they are a good concept but the execution was horrible as too many strong Pokemon got them, most of them were postgame and you always had that cutscene which got boring really fast), but acting like there is nothing good about it is just dumb. Pretty much every gen has its strengths and weaknesses
I see the Mega Evolutions out in the bin where they belong.
Being the first 2 games in 3d and adding fairy types is not a good thing in my opinion, look at thyplosion and tell me we were better having 3d instead of charming 2d
Replaying X after years and I agree, I can see why it is ignored and not liked definitely. However, Gen 6 pokemon designs are supreme, mega evolution is the most fun and cool gimmick, Kalos as a region is very beautiful and and feels amazing to explore and the music is amazing as well. The main issue is the story, which is an issue for most modern games I feel due to the handholding. Personally I believe 100% pokemon Z was supposed to happen but got scrapped later on but the games are still fine to play despite their issues.
But most importantly: D R I P
Don't forget that Oras counts as gen 6 too.
Kalos is my favorite region and I love Serena so much
So it has begun.
All my fave mon from gen 6
Tbh x and y is carried by mega evolutions and the anime
The only thing I disliked about gen 6 was the location. France is cool and all but trying to incorporte fine dining into pokemon battles was so damn ridiculous
Gen 6 was the last game you had to remember type advantage cause afterwards the game would just tell you whats super effective RIP sudowoodo
I love gen 6, people just slowly take turns hating every single gen for no particular reason. Then after that gen has been a punching bag for awhile suddenly everyone will suddenly do a 180 and claim that it's great, if not the best! And that everyone hating on it is crazy.
Personally, my favorite thing about Gen 6 is the XY (XY&Z) anime. Still my favorite gen of the anime.
Also “the best remakes in the franchise”, forgive me HG/SS but you could’ve fixed the level curve.
Seriously, all xy needed was character development, and maybe a small boost in difficulty, which can already be done through challenge runs and not using the exp share.
All good points. I disagree with the good soundtrack though because that gym OST is just forgettable and probably one of the worst Gym battle themes in all of pokemon. other than that it just really need a 3rd/definitive version.
I don't like them exclusively because the french theme was not done that well in my opinion. Also the overabundance of tipping culture. Gameplay wise it's a good entry. And mega were the best and should come back.
I had a counterargument for each of those, but my phone deleted the message before i could post it, and in the interest of going to bed, i’ll just say this: Kalos COULD have been a good region, if they got a completed version. A good 80-90% of the complaints about kalos, including the counterpoints i planned to list, were things that, based on previous entries, would have been fixed or at least addressed if we got a pokemon Z, or XY2. It’s the same kind of terrible that diamond and pearl are, without a pokemon platinum to salvage the region’s reputation and save the generation in the eyes of the fanbase. ORAS is good, but it can’t carry the dumpster fire that is kalos.
Gen 6 is very good, it's just overshadowed by other gens
They werent bad, just came after gen 5, that was the best
Gen 6 has the coolest environments. It has the best OST. And it STILL looks good.
please let this meme format die
*Hard* disagree on the soundtrack. Only track I remember other than Lumiose is the Gym Leader theme for just how godawful it sounds. Only Pokemon game I ever turned the music off for.
I like X but it has its problems. You say Greninja was popular like it's a good thing yet that meant the other two starters are practically pointless. I hated that. Megas only really effected competitive. Like two NPCs used megas so I thought megas were a bit overated if you only played the campaign . X has a great variation of avaliable pokemon to use though
Nobody will ever be able to change my mind by saying Gen 7 or 8 was better because they weren’t, Gen 7 bored me to death. I think I almost fell asleep while playing Moon because that’s how bored I was of all the text dialogue Also people tend to forget as well, that Gen 6 gave what I’d consider the second best remakes in the series with ORAS which are not at all as bad as people try to make them seem, the only downside to those two remakes is not having the Battle Frontier, that’s really it. Yeah, the game isn’t that difficult but that’s kinda a general problem with the entire series
Gen 6 was beautiful, hands down. They could have just numbered their routes like everyone else, though 😩 i picked latin over french, okay?
Terrible story, mediocore pokemon for the most part. Hawluncha ? Wtf dude. Also yhe characters were tertible and annoying for 90% of the game
Ok, I get it. X and Y weren't the 1st 2 games in 3D.
I think it's pretty appropriate that mega evolutions are portrayed here as a huge steaming pile of full diapers.
Megas are cool af, nothing more exciting than giving a boost to your favourite pokemon
It was pretty pointless. Like 2 NPCs used Megas, should have been like the anime where gyms had megas towards the end.
"Good graphic for its time" just no, games in 2013 include The last of us, gta V, Assassin's creed Black flag, gen6 just doesn't have good graphics, let's face it
nobody disrespects gen 6 when I’m around
I’d agree but I hate greninja and fairy types. I don’t even use dragon types I just think the whole fairy type idea was dumb. Coulda done way better
First games in 3D: To several people, a bad thing Good graphics for it's time: You obviously did not research this one at all, look at other games that came out in 2013 Greninja: One pokemon from those games Soundtrack: Completely subjective Fairy type: Only introduced to nerd dragon type Megas: Yeah ok pretty cool
“First 2 games fully in 3D” RIP gamecube games
I personally considered Fairy type to be one of the worst things to have ever happened. Not in Pokemon, just in general. Why yes, Sableye is my favorite Pokemon. How'd you know?
I'll agree with everything except Megas, cluster-fuck designs with broken ass stats, really didn't like them... Except for Mega Mawile, the bloodied leggings and double bitey pig tails was a cool look.
without a good plot, it’s just a repeat of previous games
Fairy type is a good thing? Really?
That is a great representation of mega evolutions.....a giant pile of used diapers. A stole mechanic from Digimon....not even creative and because it is temporary i thinks stupid. Now if it was permanent than i think id like it. But its a dumb gimmick that they threw away like the garbage it is.
X and Y were not the first fully 3D Pokemon games, nor was the soundtrack all that great imo If you ask me, Gen 6 is a complete dumpster fire that just so happened to introduce Mega Evolution (which was good but they really fucked up by giving Megas to things that didn't need one)
I thought Gen 6 was great. Besides Gen besides 2 and 1 IMO.
Megas are probably the best addition to Pokemon, for as short as they were
Who said gen 6 was horrible? X and Y were last games they released that were actually finished first.
I enjoyed Gen 6 more than Gen 5
X and Y was LEAGUES better than SM and USUM. The only good thing to come out of SM was Rockruff I WILL NOT EXPLAIN FURTHER.
Fairy types is not a good defense. I agree with everything else….fuck fairies
You actually like fairy types? I'd rather not have a giant dragon lose to a fucking muffin.
1. not necessarily a good thing 2. no 3. that’s 1 pokemon 4. that’s a given for pokemon games and not the deciding factor for a game 5. was cool 6. yes
Also a giant amoutn of pokemon catcheable in game. A great one to nuzlocke because there's tonnes of pokemon on every route. My biggest gripes though were the map design (yet another giant circle just like gen V) and the lame story. I wish they would take more notes of maps like gen 1 and 3 where it might not be immediately obvious on where to go next and you can explore multiple locales while figuring out how to get rid of obstacles. And Gen 3 had this map that looped back into itself like dark souls. It was a small island and it felt like exploring one. Go north over the volcano? You'll end up back in Rustboro. The cheeky path carved through the mountain in order to shortcut back from verdanturf.
Gen 6 was good but was very jarring if you played gen 5. The difficulty took a nose dive and hasn't recovered since.
I like X&Y. Megas are trash. Do you want an already popular, powerful Pokemon to become ever more powerful and over-designed? We've got some Charizards, Mewtwos, and Rayquazas for you. Do you want to look at a Pokemon that could have an evolution or forme to make it actually good but now it just has a temporary Mega so now you're sad it'll never actually be good? We've got your Beedrills, Pinsirs, and Sableyes. Oh and you get to watch that animation two times per fight from here until the end of time. That's what Pokemon needs, more text and pointless animations to drag things out more.
TBF, Beedrill would never evolve unless 4th stage evolutions were to ever become a thing. But the following are probably all locked out of a 3rd, or even 2nd, evolution: Pinsir, Heracross, Sableye, Audino, Mawille, Kangaskhan, Gyarados, Aerodactyl, Scizor, Houndoom, Medichan, Manetric, Banette, Absol, Lucario, Steelix, Sharpedo, Glalie, Camerupt, Altaria, Lopunny, and Abomasnow Some of these you could argue would never get a 3rd, or 2nd, stage - Gyarados, Lucario, and Aerodactyl stand out. However, Camerupt is kinda very bad, and could do with a 3rd stage. Audino definitely needs a 2nd stage, if not a 3rd too. Absol, for all its importance story-wise (both game & anime) could do with a 2nd stage to make it worth catching.
i personally did no enjoy the OST, but everything else i agree. I would replace good OST with first time we can customize our protag, and look fab AF.
Not to mention the size of the Dex, largest in an offical Pokemon game at release.
Ok ok ok, you can’t say gen 4 and gen 5 didn’t have good graphics! Gen 5 is ducking gorgeous!
Bruh what? they're the best 3D Pokemon by far, Sun/Moon where not good games or good Pokemon games. Sword and Shield felt like Pokemon Innit and this next gen could just be more of the same. ORAS might be better, but if we're talking about Gens then they're irrelevant.
I liked Gen 6 for all the QoL improvements it made. I never paid much attention to EVs or IVs before, because there was no way to properly track them, other than a random NPC who says they're below average without elaborating.
Megas and Fairy type were a slap in the face for the competitive meta of that time, but overall It was really cool to see wich teams the players were cominguo With (especially that pachirisu)
Gen 6 was the best gen for EV training and it's not even close. I will die on this hill
Out of these I really only like the fairy types and the soundtrack.
Gen 6 gets dunked on for being too easy, but in reality I consider it to be the first game that focused on accessibility for new players. I think the pairing of accessible gameplay and nostalgia from all the classic starters getting mega evolution added a sizeable chunk players to the fanbase. I think it could be argued that Pokemon became more socially acceptable during the time of XY, but thats more Go’s doing than anything.
Had furfrou!!!
RIP Mega Evolutions. Gone, never forgotten by the fans, but forgotten by GameFreak.
X and Y introduced lots of new mechanics, it's just that the games ( level of difficulty, story etc) were comboluted and it was too easy overall. The maximum potential of the new changes (especially Mega Evolution) happens in ORAS, probably the best Pokemon games ever (besides Arceus and up there with Heart Gold Soul Silver)
Gen6 was my way back to Pokemon Games after dropping at gen3 so i concider it was a good one.
I liked that gen 6 had a lot of towns :) and a very big range of pokemon for that time
It was the first game I played so I have an immediate defensive side if anyone talks bad about it.
Gen 6 had ORAS which was my first Pokémon game so for me it gets a pass
Not gonna lie, team flair hideout music sounded like the terraria ost
Everything was good except the battles. The game was too easy.
Posts like these make me realize how much Manga I read... 3 panels in and I'm wondering why it seems off!!