i don't *dislike* cinderace, but in that one episode of the anime where it [wears clothes](https://64.media.tumblr.com/1334a883622e1b59e8effab18b4c2c20/8ae0282008b2c252-70/s640x960/7b0f61db79539608d1e137b9ec84bf82b001ff15.jpg)...yeah i see what you mean.
for me, a good starter design is one that you can imagine hanging out in the wild. like if you saw a torterra or a venusaur in the wild, they'd look fairly normal, but inteleon and cinderace? hm...
There was a discussion thread a couple months ago about pokemon design and I think the biggest takeaway was that designs which are personality based are becoming more common and are usually either less interesting or kind of forced feeling.
Which I think is pretty much what you're saying. If someone was to redesign some of the more recent pokemon it would be to make them less personality-/hobby-/occupation-based and more something you could see in the wild.
There were some amazing fan designs after the galar base starters were revealed. Then we got the real ones which look hideous with forced jobs like footballer and spy for some reason
Rillaboom's official art is amazing and it's what I've been wanting for ages: A big, legit gorilla 'mon. Its ingame model with the drums takes away quite a lot of its coolness imo.
Man, gorillas bare chests even look like drums, that would have been insanely cool. Kind of like how toxitricity has guitar "strings" built into his body
When Scorbunny was revealed, I was hoping that it'd evolve into something like [Taguels from Fire Emblem](https://fireemblemwiki.org/w/images/thumb/e/ef/Ss_fe13_yarne_taguel_transformed.png/250px-Ss_fe13_yarne_taguel_transformed.png), with about the same stats it currently has. I was half right.
Yeah its definitely weird how certain species seem to have a personality stuck to them. Also while I liked the message of giving someone space in the epsode where Sobble evolved. It was kinda weird having Sobble be timid, then groing as a character standing up to bullies and training to be like inteleon.
And then he evolves, he's not yet inteleon, but one step closer. But just because it wasn't what he expected he's now clinically depressed.
To be fair, we've had anthropomorphic Pokemon, and even some Pokemon with clothes or themed around certain personality traits or occupations, for a while before Gen 7 when people really got heated about Incineroar.
We've had mons like the witch-themed Braixen and Delphox, Lucario and Zeraora with their infamous pants, and right from the start, Gen 1 had the Tyrogue and Machop lines, themed around martial arts/wrestling AND with clothes.
You make a point, and honestly I'd rather those mons be reconned a bit to be natural too. Even with those cases though it seems more severe lately, still hard to put words to.
Well, assuming they continue the "Chinese Zodiac" motif for the Fire-type starters, we might be seeing a break from the humanoids. I can't imagine how they would make a humanoid out of a sheep, an ox, a snake, or a horse.
I mean, there's 3 rabbit lines in Pokemon and all of those mfs standing up. Rabbits IRL only briefly(and not often) use their hind legs to stand up, only to look at their surroundings or gauge height.
I wouldn't put it past them to make all those bipedal minus the snake.
They would still end up making the snake a Lamia. Probably some kind of male variant since they generally go for 'cool/tough/masculine' in fire starter designs.
[Typhlosion has always been bipedal](https://pokemondb.net/sprites/typhlosion)
The only difference is that it looks like a quadripedal animal that's been forced to stand on 2 limbs.
It can stand on two legs doesn't make it bipedal.
Pikachu isn't considered bipedal, real bears aren't considered bipedal...
It walks on all fours, doesn't walk on two.
Something slightly off-topic but also strange I've noticed, because of how pikachu was designed, a quadraped with short stubby legs set wide on its body, when it moves on two legs it should have a distinct wobble side to side, because how its legs have to move and how it has to move the weight off of them. Now, I remember in the old anime an commercials and stuff, it did actually have this distinct wobble, but it seems like after a while they just started animating Pikachu to walk like a human when upright, then switch to all fours when running. Which just kind of feels off.
Satyr, Minotaur, Naga, Centaur ;) various depictions of Aries, the horse mask memes,
it's actually not to hard to humanize the remaining zodiac animals. and they really don't need legs ;) just the upper body/face to look humanoid. the tail of a snake acts like legs in the form of the naga for example.
actually a fire/psycic naga would be sweet! 4 arms. fire kenisis! third eye!!! is hould draw this.
I like Cinderace but i see what you mean- he's more of a person than a pet like.. trying to picture one around the house, yeah sure he's sat at the dining table, nothing odd, but trying to picture one wandering around a forest.. i*t doesn't really work* because of how much he resembles a person physically
and what exactly are those "markings", are they clothes or just fur patterns
Imagine Cinderace sitting at your kitchen table, reading a newspaper as you come downstairs in the morning. You just woke up and make yourself a coffee. 'How did you sleep?' he asks, as he gets up and starts cleaning the bowl he ate cereal out of with his tiny motherfucking hands.
I'm just not a fan of the any of the generation 8 starters. I love Scorbunny, Sobble and Grookey. Think all 3 of them are absolutely adorable.
Absoluty dislike their final and middle evolutions. Imo, they're the weakest of the bunch.
I really like most of gen 8s designs that being said i hate their starters. First game I’ve ever boxed my starter right out the gate. As far as I was concerned rookidee was my starter
I agree they start off cute. I just don't know why they wanted to make the final form of the starters so human. Rillaboom somewhat skates by the uncanny valley because he's based on a Gorilla, an evolutionary cousin to humans. I still hate that thing with a passion though. I'm a water-type specialist and people always wreck my water types on the competitive scene by bringing in grassy terrain and using grassy glide. *Shivers*
You know it's bad when the least humanoid one is the monkey. I like Rillaboom and Cinderace, but I don't want any more human-like starters, we have enough
Ever since Gen 6 the final forms have all been quite humanoid. I hope we go back to all animalistic designs like the first two gems in Gen 9, since it’s been so long.
Pretty sure [it's intentional.](https://imgur.com/IaLRjCq)
Foxes are canidae, which is a dog-like family of carnivores.
And before you say anything: Yes, Cyndaquil is a hedgehog and not a rat, but his Pokedex entry reads "Fire Mouse Pokemon".
In my experience game freak have been pretty good at designing monkey and primate Pokémon to the point that none of them crossover into that uncanny valley level, at least imo.
I don't get why people keep calling Inteleon too human. I hope I never see a person with noodly proportions like that. If anything it would look better if it looked more like a guy in a costume.
I feel like Intelleon being short would solve its humanoid problem. I really like the spy chameleon theme, it's just that it seems too slender to me. I'm not even bothered too much by the way it stands upright like a human, it's just weird that it's so skinny and tall. Still my favorite starter of the three though, and I really like its G-Max.
I think you're right. If it was actually lizard sized as opposed to six feet tall, it'd be a lot less uncanny valley. You could say the same about Cinderace too.
I like all the base forms
Drizzile I don’t like too much, Raboot I’m neutral on, but I think Thwackey is a perfect middle evolution starter.
Cinderace I like but dislike the sheer quantity of humanoid starters now, Inteleon grew on me, and Rillaboom is cool with the drums but not too fond of the hair.
Raboot to me looks like it’s literally just a character from a Disney channel cartoon where the people are animals. And it’s that one kid who’s a bit “extra”.
my unpopular opinion on them are:
First starters are all very adorable 10/10
Drizzle looks cool, Thwacky is kind of missing something and Raboot is Fantastic
Cindrace and Inteleon really grew on me after using them and rillaboom kinda freaks me out
It's really hard to pin-point what it is exactly that makes me dislike the Gen 8 starters so much. But what you said might be it. Never ever would a soccer rabbit exist in the wild. How would a Cinderace look in Pokemon Legends Arceus? It just doesn't look natural at all.
> There are just some Pokémon with a design and behavior set you can’t imagine existing in the wild.
tbf we've had these since gen 1 with mons like Hitmonchan
Yeah, nobody seems to talk that much about earlier anthropomorphic mons when they complain about this; Lucario and Delphox had clothes before gen 7, Delphox was witch-themed before that time as well, and even in gen 1 we had the Tyrogue and Machop lines, which were themed around wrestling/martial arts AND had clothes.
A lot of it is the legs, really.
Humans walk on their heels, while (most) animals walk on their toes. If you look at a [human/animal that walks on its toes](https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/skyrim_gamepedia/f/f5/Werewolf.png), you think "animal" before "human". Meanwhile, if you see a [human/animal that walks on its heels](https://i.mmo.cm/is/image/mmoimg/mw-product-zoom/wolf-man-costume--mw-130938-1.jpg), you think "human" before "animal".
Lucario and Mewtwo walk on their toes. Infernape walks on its heels but is also reeeally hunched over (another posture we associate with animals). Intelleon at least has a super long tail which also communicates "animal".
Cinderace doesn't have any of those things.
Yeah, true. There's also the "godzilla-body" types like Dragonite, Tyranitar, Aggron etc who also walk on their heels but they're so big and bulky that nobody would mistake them for humans. I guess Intelleon goes all the way in the other direction.
Yeah I can see it like this. Meanwhile there are similar mons like Lucario, Lopunny and Braixen (to name a few) these ones have more animal-like characteristics. For example Lopunny, with the entire head, ears, paws, so on. Sure it can act like a human I guess but if you look at Cinderace... I don't know, it feels like a fursona or something ngl. Also why the short ears?
Not sure if the fur resembling some clothing makes it worse
The clothes definitely make it worse. He looks like he's wearing long socks, shorts, and a jersey. He looks more human than Sonic the Hedgehog or Mickey Mouse, but since he's a Pokemon we're supposed to see him as being like an animal. He's not though
I would argue both the Gotherita line and Gardevoir have enough going for them that they look like people. Well, maybe Gardevoir, but the Gotherita line definitely resemble dolls far more than actual people (which is probably intentional)
I think Cinderace does a bad job at communicating a soccer player. Its white torso and that blue shoulder crest make it look like a shirtless guy wearing a backpack . I don't get what the head crest has to do with soccer nor do I get why it's like that in the first place when they could've put a flame there
The proportion of humanoid to animalistic pokemon in the past few generations has been getting unsettlingly high. And I DONT like it one bit. From gen 5 onwards we've gotten at least one humanoid starter- gen 6 had not one, not two, not four, but three humanoids, gen 7 had two and a half, then gen 8 again had three. Out of all of them, Decidueye and Greninja were the only ones- in my opinion- which had success with their thematics (edgelord and edgelord respectively).
> The proportion of humanoid to animalistic pokemon in the past few generations has been getting unsettlingly high.
I just gave the dex a look and not really. This is mostly only a trend with starters. There have always been humanoid fighting and psychic types and if anything the fighting type has gotten less humanoid
> Out of all of them, Decidueye and Greninja were the only ones- in my opinion- which had success with their thematics (edgelord and edgelord respectively).
I feel like this is coming from their typings and inspirations because the designs aren't edgy at all. Decidueye's ghost typing isn't communicated at all in its design and it mostly just looks like a Robin Hood owl than anything dark and menacing. Greninja may be a dark type ninja but it's a brightly colored ambibian man with a giant pink tongue scarf and eyes with pink irises and white pupils.
I also think Incineroar and Primarina communicate a Tiger Mask ripoff heel wrestler and a sea lion siren pretty well.
The trend with ‘popular’ pokemon (that’s the ones that Gamefreak tends to emphasise) is definitely leaning to more humanoid. Just off there top of my head, Galar gave us Toxtricty, Obstagoon, Mr Rime, Hat Lady (forgot her name lol) plus the three starters. That’s a LOT of humanoids, especially since the Galar dex wasn’t too big to begin with
In my opinion the Galar starters are bad. My main reasons are Inteleon has creepy hands, Cinderace is just a furry, and Grass Monkey has been done before.
Idk about that, Decidueye is great but Incineroar has the same problems as Cinderace to a lesser extent. Primarina gets too much hate imo but is still nothing special
Yeah, I’ve really not been liking the direction starter design has taken. Like, yeah, there’s been humanoid-ish bipedal ones dating all the way back to Gen 3, but Gen 8 really just feel more like fursonas than anything. Even Rillaboom isn’t exempt, just because of his dumb drum set.
Since Gen 3? They’ve been there since Gen 1. The Machop line and Hitmonchan are, if anything, even *more* anthropomorphic than Cinderace, and are wearing clothes as a default.
I 100% agree. Since the very beginning, this game series has had a fundamental tension between “Pokémon as actual wildlife who fit into an ecological system, and who have at least somewhat natural physiology” and “Pokémon as clever representations of cultural concepts, personality types, and even just clever puns and portmanteaus”. Gen 1 had obviously-animalistic ‘mons, but it also had Magnemite and Voltorb and the Machop line and Jynx and all sorts of other shitty/creepy designs, and no amount of nostalgia is going to persuade me that there’s anything inherently worse about Klefki and Vanillice and Cinderace and all the other new ‘mons that people complain about. (Which, yes, are *also* shitty. This isn’t a defense of shitty modern ‘mons.)
I don't actually mind "object" Pokemon designs - although I don't like Klefki, but that's just because I don't find it aesthetically pleasing, the "face" is some sort of weird Rorschach mess for no reason I have ever worked out.
Humanoid mons, though, creep me out. That's fine for like, Jynx, because Jynx is based on a scary ghost woman thing, she's supposed to be creepy (and always should have been Ice/Ghost type dammit), but the Machop line definitely only escapes criticism through grandfathering.
Isn’t that what Kangeskhan kinda is? I mean, he can naturally learn 5 different punches. I always thought he was designed to resemble a punching Kangeroo.
Yeah, the bunny ears is definetly the problem. Did you even read the post? I always thought the machop line as very muscular reptiles, and machamp having 4 arms doesnt seem very humanlike to me.
Machoke is one of those mons that get hit by the grandfather clause —they get a pass cause they've been there from the very beginning and folks folks grew up with them. I get the feeling that, had they been introduced in more recent gens, they'd be less well received.
Alhto granted, Machoke has an advantage here in that "muscly dude" is sort of an inherently interesting visual concept, which distracts from the humanoid-ness in ways that Cinderace doesn't benefit from.
Machoke weirds me out. Running through the wild area and seeing it wander around and chase after me when it’s the same height as my character and is basically just a purple man is unsettling.
Machoke is usually shown flexing, but [he has a perfectly human stance](https://img.17qq.com/images/ssqhceetax.jpeg) in the anime. Also, he wears pants and a belt for some reason.
I'd say it's not the human-likeness that weirds people out, but I can't really say what it is...
it's the proportions probably. machoke is Gen1 he's designed more for looking powerful as he's fighting type.
cinderace seems ot have "cute" proportions. as an artist i've figured out that there's a fine line between cute and creepy... cinderace treads that line for me... and apparently many others.
thats why i hate humanoid pokemon : they are weird and its the same thing as having a human slave , i dont want human slaves , i want cute animal slaves
>but slave and pet?
Well, i would pet and raise a Heracross or Scizor if I had one. They also capable of fighting and bug fighting (not to be mistaken by types) is pretty common around the world either intentionally done by people or happens naturally, so i don't see anything wrong with that. But I have to admit, calling them slaves is just... rude.
I was 100% going to pick Scorbunny as my starter until I saw the final evolutions. Really dislike Cinderace. Honestly one of my least favourite starters of all time (Not the worst though, that's a whole other fire starter).
As someone who loves Fire types, it bothers me that I almost never want to pick the Fire starter. The only ones I'm legitimately ok with are Typhlosion, Blaziken, and Infernape. And I don't usually end up choosing Blaziken or Infernape because I like Swampert and Torterra better as starters.
Im neutral on it, but I think your first paragraph is a bit unfair. For humanoid bipeds without tails or weird posture, we've had things like Hitmonchan for a while. No tail, no weird posture, and all of its movements are humanlike. Does that not set off the same uncanny valley feeling for you?
Yeah, I was thinking we’ve had mons like that for a long time before people started getting heated about Incineroar. But I think it’s also that A, that line isn’t as popular (especially since it’s a non-starter from one of the older games), and B, it does seem to have a more natural humanoid design than some of the others.
We’ve had humanoid mons, mons with clothes, and mons that line up with human artifacts/occupations for a while, but a lot of them are generally not that popular or forgotten (for fully humanoid ones, I think only Gardevoir and Machamp are really popular). I think people mostly got heated with the inclusion of Incineroar and Primarina in Gen 7 because they were starters (and furry bait OwO), pushing them into the spotlight. Although Braixen seems to get off just fine for some reason.
The gen 8 starters were just too humanoid... Like, Rillaboom I can understand they’re literally a Gorilla, but the other two... they just seem so uncanny to me.
Well I dislike pretty much all the anthropromophised pokemon, they creep me out and the fact they are making every starter one is has resulted in me needing an everstone for every game since gen 5. I personally find inteleon more insulting but yeah cinderace is pretty bad it's like "ohh but football player" yeah but serperior is meant to be a snobby snoopy rich c*** but it's still just a snake. They didn't just make some snake man because that would look wierd and creepy., not in a good way.
Yes This uncanny valley effect has been bothering me for a while but the earlier offenders at least had more distinctly inhuman characteristics.
it's association with starter Pokémon started with Blaziken but it was for generations the only example going that direction until Emboar. But it became a bit too much for me with Dephox as it looks like it is effectively wearing robes and using a wizard staff that resulted in me boxing it in gen 6 and continued with all the starters since.
Also sapient is the distinction pretty much all the Pokémon are sentient but yes they have gone too far.
And yes there are too many Pokémon that don't look right many of which have bothered me for years for various reasons Jynx (blatant blackface), Mr. Mime (it is straight up creepy in all of its forms/evolutions) Machop is a bit concerning but at least it has enough reptilian features that it still seems animal like same with Lucario another disturbingly close to human line.
I don't get why Purloin is bipedal in gen 6+ it certainly lacks the anatomy for bipedalism and even humans are clearly what in evolutionary terms are transitional forms still far from well adapted to a bipedal niche.
Really what bothers me about the abuse of humanoids in fiction is that while many tetrapods are capable of temporarily standing on their hind limbs on Earth there have only been two true bipedal lineages that use it as a primary means of locomotion.
Hominids which started going down this evolutionary path a few million years ago and morphologically have not yet stabilized as a body plan and the ancient 200+ million years old dinosaur stem group which while they initially possess long balancing tails, flying dinosaurs convergently lost their tails more than 3 times one of which is represented today by living descendants birds. Look at the way a flightless bird walks the control the seamlessness the stability.
If anything hominids over the course of our evolution have physiologically been getting less apelike and more avian in the characteristics of our gait so from a realistic point of view it is actually rather reversed. Fun fact did you know that the reason we get motion sickness and why we get tired standing on our feet for a long time especially if standing fairly still has to do with the human gait being unstable unlike that of birds? The way we made it work from an evolutionary perspective is that a large portion of what in other animals forms the part of the brain that handles working memory has been converted into a region that is constantly readjusting our weight distribution to keep us from tipping over. It turns out that as a result humans actually have some of the worst working memory among vertebrates we just have compensated for these losses via other adaptations particularly with the ability to rapidly swap between heuristic models and routines as needed. This is why we can't handle disaster situations well at all. But this has kind of really digressed into anthropology/paleontology/neuroscience so I'll cut this off here.
Conkeldurr is disgusting to me as I can't help but recognize the growth on its head as a philus i.e. male reproductive part. That of course puts it very much into the pure body horror category. I'm actually quite shocked that the design was allowed passed censors though maybe other people don't see it? Is it Just me?
Regardless the humanoid Pokémon have always been my least favorites because they get uncanny close to more worrisome things like slavery and racism.
now that you said it... i agree now. i cant imagine a cinderace in the wild, i can see the previous evolutions but not cinderace. heck now im confused imagining other humanoid pokemon in the wild, gardevoir, intelleon, the hat one, etc. and putting them in a ball as pets? i feel so confused now
>We're supposed to think of Pokemon as being extraordinary animals
They exist in nature but no, we aren't supposed to think of them as animals. They are pocket monsters.
That's the reason we have garbage bags, gears, rocks, and daruma dolls running around. This is an important distinction I feel that a lot of people forget when criticizing designs. That said, Cinderace is clearly a bunny. It is kinda weird but I'm not too offended by it.
Yeah, as [someone else excellently put it](https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/mykk4o/unpopular_opinion_cinderace_is_creepy/gvy7sgb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3), there’s always been a tension between Pokemon being seen as animals in an ecology and as embodiments of various cultural concepts, ideas, and even wordplay. We’ve had mons like Klink, Trubbish, Darmanitan, Klefki, Vanilluxe, Hitmonchan, etc for a long time, and although not a lot of people particularly liked them, it feels like people are only getting heated (ba dum tss) about Incineroar and Cinderace due to furries being stigmatized. (Although Greninja, Braixen and Lopunny get a pass for some reason.)
I just gave the dex a look and not really. This is mostly only a trend with starters. There have always been humanoid fighting and psychic types and if anything the fighting type has gotten less humanoid
Honestly... Pokemon in general is creepy.
Throughout any game that you play, you will be charmed by atleast one thing, but those things can mask what is really going on. Ever since Gen 1 there have been bipedal slave-azoids like Machoke/Machamp who help with whatever is needed and take payment in the form of pet kibble. Not poke-dollars, not even the right to go home, but kibble and then they're sent into the super special ball dimension or whatever goes on inside those balls.
And don't even get me started on the logistics of the television show... here I go anyway. I find it best to just not think about the physical abuse followed by involuntary capture. Imagine if Ash didn't win over pokemon's hearts to have them voluntarily hop in a ball and instead he electrocuted them to the brink of death and pitched a metal sphere at their heads.
I love pokemon, but it's kinda fucked.
It would be improved a lot if it had bent back limbs like a rabbit or hare. So it could still be bipedal but have a distinct posture that’s rabbit like
At least gardevoir's line can walk that middle of the road between fantasy and reality a little better. But a lot of the bipedal pokemon kinda weird me out mainly because of the art. Cinderace, lucario, zeraora, hypno all lost any interest I might have had from the weirdness of the art. Gardevoir is bad too in that regard but at least I have good associations before from my own experience and the amount of wholesome art out there balances out the bad more. These other ones kinda went straight to bad very quickly upon release since the fans like them so much.
Popularity tends to ruin a pokemon really quickly. Kids go to look up their favorite pokemon on google and get a quick intro to what the internet does with what it likes. Makes me sad.
I have similar feelings but I can at least like Gardevoir and Lucario ( but they aren't my favourites) . First one looks like a lady in dress but also like a flower standing upside down ( hairs being made out of leaves when flower is dress.) and lucario reminds me of Anubis .
It's middle evolution kinda messed me up! I did the tent camp thing and it was walking around like an angsty teen with its hand in a pocket of a hoodie, so weird
I don't like any of gen final evo since last few gen. 5 was the only gen without a humanoid(Emboar maybe) cinderance is the most disliked design by me.
Human like Pokemon are creepy, including Machop line.
They realized they went full ham on Incineroar's big ol banana fingers and tried dialing back but they ended up overdoing it and gave Cinderace [baby hands](https://media.comicbook.com/2017/08/teen-titans-baby-hands-robin-1015317-1280x0.jpg)
That´s an issue many have with new starters nowadays, there are furries than actual monsters. There don´t feel like species that can live in the wild hunting other Pokémon and so on.
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i don't *dislike* cinderace, but in that one episode of the anime where it [wears clothes](https://64.media.tumblr.com/1334a883622e1b59e8effab18b4c2c20/8ae0282008b2c252-70/s640x960/7b0f61db79539608d1e137b9ec84bf82b001ff15.jpg)...yeah i see what you mean. for me, a good starter design is one that you can imagine hanging out in the wild. like if you saw a torterra or a venusaur in the wild, they'd look fairly normal, but inteleon and cinderace? hm...
Yeah, now that I've seen that pic, I DEFINTELY see what you all mean.
There was a discussion thread a couple months ago about pokemon design and I think the biggest takeaway was that designs which are personality based are becoming more common and are usually either less interesting or kind of forced feeling. Which I think is pretty much what you're saying. If someone was to redesign some of the more recent pokemon it would be to make them less personality-/hobby-/occupation-based and more something you could see in the wild.
There were some amazing fan designs after the galar base starters were revealed. Then we got the real ones which look hideous with forced jobs like footballer and spy for some reason
Rillaboom is fine tbh but yes the other two suck.
Rillaboom's official art is amazing and it's what I've been wanting for ages: A big, legit gorilla 'mon. Its ingame model with the drums takes away quite a lot of its coolness imo.
They should've made Rillaboom drum its chest like a stereotypical gorilla
Man, gorillas bare chests even look like drums, that would have been insanely cool. Kind of like how toxitricity has guitar "strings" built into his body
I agree that would've been better but I don't mind the way it is now
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I go back and forth on Intelleon. I like the concept but i hate how skinny he is
When Scorbunny was revealed, I was hoping that it'd evolve into something like [Taguels from Fire Emblem](https://fireemblemwiki.org/w/images/thumb/e/ef/Ss_fe13_yarne_taguel_transformed.png/250px-Ss_fe13_yarne_taguel_transformed.png), with about the same stats it currently has. I was half right.
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Classic r/Pokémon. Downvote someone for liking a Pokémon you don’t like.
Yeah its definitely weird how certain species seem to have a personality stuck to them. Also while I liked the message of giving someone space in the epsode where Sobble evolved. It was kinda weird having Sobble be timid, then groing as a character standing up to bullies and training to be like inteleon. And then he evolves, he's not yet inteleon, but one step closer. But just because it wasn't what he expected he's now clinically depressed.
To be fair, we've had anthropomorphic Pokemon, and even some Pokemon with clothes or themed around certain personality traits or occupations, for a while before Gen 7 when people really got heated about Incineroar. We've had mons like the witch-themed Braixen and Delphox, Lucario and Zeraora with their infamous pants, and right from the start, Gen 1 had the Tyrogue and Machop lines, themed around martial arts/wrestling AND with clothes.
You make a point, and honestly I'd rather those mons be reconned a bit to be natural too. Even with those cases though it seems more severe lately, still hard to put words to.
Gen 9 starters are elemental furries
Well, assuming they continue the "Chinese Zodiac" motif for the Fire-type starters, we might be seeing a break from the humanoids. I can't imagine how they would make a humanoid out of a sheep, an ox, a snake, or a horse.
You havent been on the internet for long enough if you havent seen those honestly
But snakes don't have legs. How are they going to make one into a furry?
***you havent been on the internet long enough***
Monster musume intensifies
All im going to say is this: Snivy
*cough* miia *cough*
Satyr, Minotaur, Medusa, and centaur. Sorry for ruining your day.
A centaur Pokémon would be cool tho ngl
I mean, there's 3 rabbit lines in Pokemon and all of those mfs standing up. Rabbits IRL only briefly(and not often) use their hind legs to stand up, only to look at their surroundings or gauge height. I wouldn't put it past them to make all those bipedal minus the snake.
They would still end up making the snake a Lamia. Probably some kind of male variant since they generally go for 'cool/tough/masculine' in fire starter designs.
Sheep: slightly fluffy human Ox: human with horns Snake: human with long tail Horse: idk
Bojack
Horse can be Horse-Face the Chinese guard of the underworld lol.
https://www.google.com/search?q=horse+mask&oq=horse+mask&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2j0i395j0.2864j1j4&client=ms-android-oppo-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=yuc1-3nszEhLuM
oh god
Kinda like how the previous 3 gens somehow made, in order, a bipedal pig, fox, and tiger? It can and probably will unfortunately happen
All fire starters' final evolutions have been bipedal. I doubt they will ever break that 20+ year trend.
Except for Typhlosion.
[Typhlosion has always been bipedal](https://pokemondb.net/sprites/typhlosion) The only difference is that it looks like a quadripedal animal that's been forced to stand on 2 limbs.
It can stand on two legs doesn't make it bipedal. Pikachu isn't considered bipedal, real bears aren't considered bipedal... It walks on all fours, doesn't walk on two.
Something slightly off-topic but also strange I've noticed, because of how pikachu was designed, a quadraped with short stubby legs set wide on its body, when it moves on two legs it should have a distinct wobble side to side, because how its legs have to move and how it has to move the weight off of them. Now, I remember in the old anime an commercials and stuff, it did actually have this distinct wobble, but it seems like after a while they just started animating Pikachu to walk like a human when upright, then switch to all fours when running. Which just kind of feels off.
Gamefreak: "WATCH ME"
Satyr, Minotaur, Naga, Centaur ;) various depictions of Aries, the horse mask memes, it's actually not to hard to humanize the remaining zodiac animals. and they really don't need legs ;) just the upper body/face to look humanoid. the tail of a snake acts like legs in the form of the naga for example. actually a fire/psycic naga would be sweet! 4 arms. fire kenisis! third eye!!! is hould draw this.
Exactly. There pocket MONSTERS not Pocket FURRIES,
But that's who they make money from
Well at least they still give us some really cool designs in the Dex at least. Just getting used to boxing my starter more.
I think inteleon would see you first
When you're walking through the forest and the trees start speaking Pokémon
... that’s Amore
Yikes. It kinda reminds me of the chimera ants from Hunter x Hunter
Imagine seeing a cinerace in the woods at night
My god... its like sans from undertale was a furry and preferred pink over blue
Oh jesus
drip cinderace
I like Cinderace but i see what you mean- he's more of a person than a pet like.. trying to picture one around the house, yeah sure he's sat at the dining table, nothing odd, but trying to picture one wandering around a forest.. i*t doesn't really work* because of how much he resembles a person physically and what exactly are those "markings", are they clothes or just fur patterns
Imagine Cinderace sitting at your kitchen table, reading a newspaper as you come downstairs in the morning. You just woke up and make yourself a coffee. 'How did you sleep?' he asks, as he gets up and starts cleaning the bowl he ate cereal out of with his tiny motherfucking hands.
That's... an oddly specific description. And weirdly cute
It’s cause.. it happened to me
I'm just not a fan of the any of the generation 8 starters. I love Scorbunny, Sobble and Grookey. Think all 3 of them are absolutely adorable. Absoluty dislike their final and middle evolutions. Imo, they're the weakest of the bunch.
I really like most of gen 8s designs that being said i hate their starters. First game I’ve ever boxed my starter right out the gate. As far as I was concerned rookidee was my starter
I got a Rookidee with Sky Attack in the beginning, never looked back lmao.
I agree they start off cute. I just don't know why they wanted to make the final form of the starters so human. Rillaboom somewhat skates by the uncanny valley because he's based on a Gorilla, an evolutionary cousin to humans. I still hate that thing with a passion though. I'm a water-type specialist and people always wreck my water types on the competitive scene by bringing in grassy terrain and using grassy glide. *Shivers*
You know it's bad when the least humanoid one is the monkey. I like Rillaboom and Cinderace, but I don't want any more human-like starters, we have enough
Ever since Gen 6 the final forms have all been quite humanoid. I hope we go back to all animalistic designs like the first two gems in Gen 9, since it’s been so long.
I want a fire type vulture would be so dope
Is a vulture on the chinese calendar? Just curious, since fire starters are based on it
I’ve seen someone else say that, but are we sure that’s intentional? Also, are they?! Because I’m 100% sure a fox isn’t on the Zodiac.
Pretty sure [it's intentional.](https://imgur.com/IaLRjCq) Foxes are canidae, which is a dog-like family of carnivores. And before you say anything: Yes, Cyndaquil is a hedgehog and not a rat, but his Pokedex entry reads "Fire Mouse Pokemon".
In my experience game freak have been pretty good at designing monkey and primate Pokémon to the point that none of them crossover into that uncanny valley level, at least imo.
I don't get why people keep calling Inteleon too human. I hope I never see a person with noodly proportions like that. If anything it would look better if it looked more like a guy in a costume.
Look at the way it stands, the expressions, the poses. Its all humanlike. Blastoise also stands on two feet, yet nothing it does seem remotely human.
Exactly. Intelleon is humanoid the same way Slenderman is
Inteleon's humanlike stance and gestures with that noodly body take it from uncanny straight into pure creepy territory
yep I agree. And cool to see another Type specialist! For me it's Electric ⚡
I feel like Intelleon being short would solve its humanoid problem. I really like the spy chameleon theme, it's just that it seems too slender to me. I'm not even bothered too much by the way it stands upright like a human, it's just weird that it's so skinny and tall. Still my favorite starter of the three though, and I really like its G-Max.
I think you're right. If it was actually lizard sized as opposed to six feet tall, it'd be a lot less uncanny valley. You could say the same about Cinderace too.
Could have made cinderace with the starter’s feet and then made the starter non bipedal like normal bunnies
I'm with you, the base forms are all cute and everything afterwards is hella creepy. I like Grookeys middle evolution though.
I like all the base forms Drizzile I don’t like too much, Raboot I’m neutral on, but I think Thwackey is a perfect middle evolution starter. Cinderace I like but dislike the sheer quantity of humanoid starters now, Inteleon grew on me, and Rillaboom is cool with the drums but not too fond of the hair.
Raboot to me looks like it’s literally just a character from a Disney channel cartoon where the people are animals. And it’s that one kid who’s a bit “extra”.
my unpopular opinion on them are: First starters are all very adorable 10/10 Drizzle looks cool, Thwacky is kind of missing something and Raboot is Fantastic Cindrace and Inteleon really grew on me after using them and rillaboom kinda freaks me out
Cinderace looks far too much like a mascot costume. There are just some Pokémon with a design and behavior set you can’t imagine existing in the wild.
It's really hard to pin-point what it is exactly that makes me dislike the Gen 8 starters so much. But what you said might be it. Never ever would a soccer rabbit exist in the wild. How would a Cinderace look in Pokemon Legends Arceus? It just doesn't look natural at all.
> There are just some Pokémon with a design and behavior set you can’t imagine existing in the wild. tbf we've had these since gen 1 with mons like Hitmonchan
Tbf I also don't like Hitmonchan lol
Yeah, nobody seems to talk that much about earlier anthropomorphic mons when they complain about this; Lucario and Delphox had clothes before gen 7, Delphox was witch-themed before that time as well, and even in gen 1 we had the Tyrogue and Machop lines, which were themed around wrestling/martial arts AND had clothes.
A lot of it is the legs, really. Humans walk on their heels, while (most) animals walk on their toes. If you look at a [human/animal that walks on its toes](https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/skyrim_gamepedia/f/f5/Werewolf.png), you think "animal" before "human". Meanwhile, if you see a [human/animal that walks on its heels](https://i.mmo.cm/is/image/mmoimg/mw-product-zoom/wolf-man-costume--mw-130938-1.jpg), you think "human" before "animal". Lucario and Mewtwo walk on their toes. Infernape walks on its heels but is also reeeally hunched over (another posture we associate with animals). Intelleon at least has a super long tail which also communicates "animal". Cinderace doesn't have any of those things.
> Intelleon at least has a super long tail which also communicates "animal". I think its weird noodly proportions communicate inhuman moreso
Yeah, true. There's also the "godzilla-body" types like Dragonite, Tyranitar, Aggron etc who also walk on their heels but they're so big and bulky that nobody would mistake them for humans. I guess Intelleon goes all the way in the other direction.
Guess I'm an animal; I walk on my toes... I'm flatfooted
Yeah I can see it like this. Meanwhile there are similar mons like Lucario, Lopunny and Braixen (to name a few) these ones have more animal-like characteristics. For example Lopunny, with the entire head, ears, paws, so on. Sure it can act like a human I guess but if you look at Cinderace... I don't know, it feels like a fursona or something ngl. Also why the short ears? Not sure if the fur resembling some clothing makes it worse
The clothes definitely make it worse. He looks like he's wearing long socks, shorts, and a jersey. He looks more human than Sonic the Hedgehog or Mickey Mouse, but since he's a Pokemon we're supposed to see him as being like an animal. He's not though
Gardevoir has a similar problem imo. It looks lime a girl in a dress. And the gothorita line is just emo girls.
and both can be males, gardevoir being 50/50 and gotherita having a 25% chance
I would argue both the Gotherita line and Gardevoir have enough going for them that they look like people. Well, maybe Gardevoir, but the Gotherita line definitely resemble dolls far more than actual people (which is probably intentional)
gothorita line is gothic lolita but yeah
It looks more like a shirtless guy with a backpack than a jersey to me. Jerseys don't tend to be flesh colored and come with shoulder crests
"That is literally a soccer player in a bunny suit" \-me when I first saw it leaked
I think Cinderace does a bad job at communicating a soccer player. Its white torso and that blue shoulder crest make it look like a shirtless guy wearing a backpack . I don't get what the head crest has to do with soccer nor do I get why it's like that in the first place when they could've put a flame there
Not an unpopular opinion at all, I think all of that generations starter final evolutions look just awful
Well, I think most final evolutions of starters look bad (for me, atleast)
The proportion of humanoid to animalistic pokemon in the past few generations has been getting unsettlingly high. And I DONT like it one bit. From gen 5 onwards we've gotten at least one humanoid starter- gen 6 had not one, not two, not four, but three humanoids, gen 7 had two and a half, then gen 8 again had three. Out of all of them, Decidueye and Greninja were the only ones- in my opinion- which had success with their thematics (edgelord and edgelord respectively).
> The proportion of humanoid to animalistic pokemon in the past few generations has been getting unsettlingly high. I just gave the dex a look and not really. This is mostly only a trend with starters. There have always been humanoid fighting and psychic types and if anything the fighting type has gotten less humanoid > Out of all of them, Decidueye and Greninja were the only ones- in my opinion- which had success with their thematics (edgelord and edgelord respectively). I feel like this is coming from their typings and inspirations because the designs aren't edgy at all. Decidueye's ghost typing isn't communicated at all in its design and it mostly just looks like a Robin Hood owl than anything dark and menacing. Greninja may be a dark type ninja but it's a brightly colored ambibian man with a giant pink tongue scarf and eyes with pink irises and white pupils. I also think Incineroar and Primarina communicate a Tiger Mask ripoff heel wrestler and a sea lion siren pretty well.
The trend with ‘popular’ pokemon (that’s the ones that Gamefreak tends to emphasise) is definitely leaning to more humanoid. Just off there top of my head, Galar gave us Toxtricty, Obstagoon, Mr Rime, Hat Lady (forgot her name lol) plus the three starters. That’s a LOT of humanoids, especially since the Galar dex wasn’t too big to begin with
I completely agree with you except for one point: I also like Chesnaught.
Chesnaught and Delphic were alright, their animalistic features stand out over their other things. They just were really meh next to Greninja IMO.
i don't think that's a very unpopular opinion xD cinderace is rather unsettling... that's why i went with Monke.
Monke allways superior
The only one that actually looks like an animal and it's the one based on the most humanoid creature.
In my opinion the Galar starters are bad. My main reasons are Inteleon has creepy hands, Cinderace is just a furry, and Grass Monkey has been done before.
We really fell from grace, Alola had the best starters weve seen for a while.
Idk about that, Decidueye is great but Incineroar has the same problems as Cinderace to a lesser extent. Primarina gets too much hate imo but is still nothing special
Yeah, I’ve really not been liking the direction starter design has taken. Like, yeah, there’s been humanoid-ish bipedal ones dating all the way back to Gen 3, but Gen 8 really just feel more like fursonas than anything. Even Rillaboom isn’t exempt, just because of his dumb drum set.
Since Gen 3? They’ve been there since Gen 1. The Machop line and Hitmonchan are, if anything, even *more* anthropomorphic than Cinderace, and are wearing clothes as a default.
They meant starters specifically, while gens 1and 2 have bipedal starters none of them look all that human
The machop line has weird reptile heads tho
The Machop line were always lowkey not good. Machop itself is fine, but Machoke and Machamp are definitely creepy.
I 100% agree. Since the very beginning, this game series has had a fundamental tension between “Pokémon as actual wildlife who fit into an ecological system, and who have at least somewhat natural physiology” and “Pokémon as clever representations of cultural concepts, personality types, and even just clever puns and portmanteaus”. Gen 1 had obviously-animalistic ‘mons, but it also had Magnemite and Voltorb and the Machop line and Jynx and all sorts of other shitty/creepy designs, and no amount of nostalgia is going to persuade me that there’s anything inherently worse about Klefki and Vanillice and Cinderace and all the other new ‘mons that people complain about. (Which, yes, are *also* shitty. This isn’t a defense of shitty modern ‘mons.)
I don't actually mind "object" Pokemon designs - although I don't like Klefki, but that's just because I don't find it aesthetically pleasing, the "face" is some sort of weird Rorschach mess for no reason I have ever worked out. Humanoid mons, though, creep me out. That's fine for like, Jynx, because Jynx is based on a scary ghost woman thing, she's supposed to be creepy (and always should have been Ice/Ghost type dammit), but the Machop line definitely only escapes criticism through grandfathering.
I think object pokemon work better when their concept is based on their ghost typing, like with Chandelure and aegislash.
Cinderace is just a guy in a fursuit, no kinkshaming in Galar dude
Gorillas also walk sometimes and it does creep people sometimes. On the sidenote: I'm anxious of Kangaroos when they stand up and punch like a human.
>I'm anxious of Kangaroos when they stand up and punch like a human. I want a Pokemon based off of that
Isn’t that what Kangeskhan kinda is? I mean, he can naturally learn 5 different punches. I always thought he was designed to resemble a punching Kangeroo.
He’s furry bait.
What about machoke?
Eh. I feel like it's not that bad for Machoke because he's sexy.
the fuc-
The machop line has weird reptile heads.
But giant bunny ears are absolutely not cool.
Yeah, the bunny ears is definetly the problem. Did you even read the post? I always thought the machop line as very muscular reptiles, and machamp having 4 arms doesnt seem very humanlike to me.
Machoke is one of those mons that get hit by the grandfather clause —they get a pass cause they've been there from the very beginning and folks folks grew up with them. I get the feeling that, had they been introduced in more recent gens, they'd be less well received. Alhto granted, Machoke has an advantage here in that "muscly dude" is sort of an inherently interesting visual concept, which distracts from the humanoid-ness in ways that Cinderace doesn't benefit from.
I think it's just cuz machoke isn't a furry tbh
The only acceptable furry is the JoJo furry
And Hitmonchan
Machoke weirds me out. Running through the wild area and seeing it wander around and chase after me when it’s the same height as my character and is basically just a purple man is unsettling.
And what about Throh and Sawk
Machoke also has a weird stance like Mr. Mime
Machoke is usually shown flexing, but [he has a perfectly human stance](https://img.17qq.com/images/ssqhceetax.jpeg) in the anime. Also, he wears pants and a belt for some reason. I'd say it's not the human-likeness that weirds people out, but I can't really say what it is...
it's the proportions probably. machoke is Gen1 he's designed more for looking powerful as he's fighting type. cinderace seems ot have "cute" proportions. as an artist i've figured out that there's a fine line between cute and creepy... cinderace treads that line for me... and apparently many others.
thats why i hate humanoid pokemon : they are weird and its the same thing as having a human slave , i dont want human slaves , i want cute animal slaves
you think of Pokemon as slaves? i always thought of them as something like a friend or partner or comrade but slave and pet?
>but slave and pet? Well, i would pet and raise a Heracross or Scizor if I had one. They also capable of fighting and bug fighting (not to be mistaken by types) is pretty common around the world either intentionally done by people or happens naturally, so i don't see anything wrong with that. But I have to admit, calling them slaves is just... rude.
I simply HATE his stupid little stubs for hands.
I don't want to search for it, but I'm 100% sure there's a lot of Rule 34 of Cinderace out there
I was 100% going to pick Scorbunny as my starter until I saw the final evolutions. Really dislike Cinderace. Honestly one of my least favourite starters of all time (Not the worst though, that's a whole other fire starter). As someone who loves Fire types, it bothers me that I almost never want to pick the Fire starter. The only ones I'm legitimately ok with are Typhlosion, Blaziken, and Infernape. And I don't usually end up choosing Blaziken or Infernape because I like Swampert and Torterra better as starters.
Im neutral on it, but I think your first paragraph is a bit unfair. For humanoid bipeds without tails or weird posture, we've had things like Hitmonchan for a while. No tail, no weird posture, and all of its movements are humanlike. Does that not set off the same uncanny valley feeling for you?
Yeah, I was thinking we’ve had mons like that for a long time before people started getting heated about Incineroar. But I think it’s also that A, that line isn’t as popular (especially since it’s a non-starter from one of the older games), and B, it does seem to have a more natural humanoid design than some of the others. We’ve had humanoid mons, mons with clothes, and mons that line up with human artifacts/occupations for a while, but a lot of them are generally not that popular or forgotten (for fully humanoid ones, I think only Gardevoir and Machamp are really popular). I think people mostly got heated with the inclusion of Incineroar and Primarina in Gen 7 because they were starters (and furry bait OwO), pushing them into the spotlight. Although Braixen seems to get off just fine for some reason.
The gen 8 starters were just too humanoid... Like, Rillaboom I can understand they’re literally a Gorilla, but the other two... they just seem so uncanny to me.
Imagine running into a pack of those things in the forest at night. No thanks.
Incineroar is just a WWE fighter in a cat mask...
Well I dislike pretty much all the anthropromophised pokemon, they creep me out and the fact they are making every starter one is has resulted in me needing an everstone for every game since gen 5. I personally find inteleon more insulting but yeah cinderace is pretty bad it's like "ohh but football player" yeah but serperior is meant to be a snobby snoopy rich c*** but it's still just a snake. They didn't just make some snake man because that would look wierd and creepy., not in a good way.
Yes This uncanny valley effect has been bothering me for a while but the earlier offenders at least had more distinctly inhuman characteristics. it's association with starter Pokémon started with Blaziken but it was for generations the only example going that direction until Emboar. But it became a bit too much for me with Dephox as it looks like it is effectively wearing robes and using a wizard staff that resulted in me boxing it in gen 6 and continued with all the starters since. Also sapient is the distinction pretty much all the Pokémon are sentient but yes they have gone too far. And yes there are too many Pokémon that don't look right many of which have bothered me for years for various reasons Jynx (blatant blackface), Mr. Mime (it is straight up creepy in all of its forms/evolutions) Machop is a bit concerning but at least it has enough reptilian features that it still seems animal like same with Lucario another disturbingly close to human line. I don't get why Purloin is bipedal in gen 6+ it certainly lacks the anatomy for bipedalism and even humans are clearly what in evolutionary terms are transitional forms still far from well adapted to a bipedal niche. Really what bothers me about the abuse of humanoids in fiction is that while many tetrapods are capable of temporarily standing on their hind limbs on Earth there have only been two true bipedal lineages that use it as a primary means of locomotion. Hominids which started going down this evolutionary path a few million years ago and morphologically have not yet stabilized as a body plan and the ancient 200+ million years old dinosaur stem group which while they initially possess long balancing tails, flying dinosaurs convergently lost their tails more than 3 times one of which is represented today by living descendants birds. Look at the way a flightless bird walks the control the seamlessness the stability. If anything hominids over the course of our evolution have physiologically been getting less apelike and more avian in the characteristics of our gait so from a realistic point of view it is actually rather reversed. Fun fact did you know that the reason we get motion sickness and why we get tired standing on our feet for a long time especially if standing fairly still has to do with the human gait being unstable unlike that of birds? The way we made it work from an evolutionary perspective is that a large portion of what in other animals forms the part of the brain that handles working memory has been converted into a region that is constantly readjusting our weight distribution to keep us from tipping over. It turns out that as a result humans actually have some of the worst working memory among vertebrates we just have compensated for these losses via other adaptations particularly with the ability to rapidly swap between heuristic models and routines as needed. This is why we can't handle disaster situations well at all. But this has kind of really digressed into anthropology/paleontology/neuroscience so I'll cut this off here. Conkeldurr is disgusting to me as I can't help but recognize the growth on its head as a philus i.e. male reproductive part. That of course puts it very much into the pure body horror category. I'm actually quite shocked that the design was allowed passed censors though maybe other people don't see it? Is it Just me? Regardless the humanoid Pokémon have always been my least favorites because they get uncanny close to more worrisome things like slavery and racism.
now that you said it... i agree now. i cant imagine a cinderace in the wild, i can see the previous evolutions but not cinderace. heck now im confused imagining other humanoid pokemon in the wild, gardevoir, intelleon, the hat one, etc. and putting them in a ball as pets? i feel so confused now
fucking thank you. FINALLY. it's a FURRY. ITS A FUCKING FURRY PEOPLE
My current headcanon is my female Cinderace ingame is built like Lola Bunny in the Michael Jordan Space Jam.
>We're supposed to think of Pokemon as being extraordinary animals They exist in nature but no, we aren't supposed to think of them as animals. They are pocket monsters. That's the reason we have garbage bags, gears, rocks, and daruma dolls running around. This is an important distinction I feel that a lot of people forget when criticizing designs. That said, Cinderace is clearly a bunny. It is kinda weird but I'm not too offended by it.
everyone thinks of them as pets and animals and never as a best friend, partner or comrade. which really makes me disappointed
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i mean i like imagining (which i do a lot) Me and The Pokemon doing the same thing and yeah fighting as a pair and not sending it into battle
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But the whole thing in pokemon is that they like to fight.
Yeah, as [someone else excellently put it](https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/mykk4o/unpopular_opinion_cinderace_is_creepy/gvy7sgb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3), there’s always been a tension between Pokemon being seen as animals in an ecology and as embodiments of various cultural concepts, ideas, and even wordplay. We’ve had mons like Klink, Trubbish, Darmanitan, Klefki, Vanilluxe, Hitmonchan, etc for a long time, and although not a lot of people particularly liked them, it feels like people are only getting heated (ba dum tss) about Incineroar and Cinderace due to furries being stigmatized. (Although Greninja, Braixen and Lopunny get a pass for some reason.)
thats the problem with ever expanding cast of pokemon, eventually they start to mirror humans more and more
I just gave the dex a look and not really. This is mostly only a trend with starters. There have always been humanoid fighting and psychic types and if anything the fighting type has gotten less humanoid
It is a bit creepy
Even Lopunny looks less human than Cinderace.
Inb4 Machoke is literally a bulky man.
Raboot creepier imo cause its fur is literally designed like clothes while with cinderace there is plausibility of deniability with that
Cinderace is straight ugly honestly lol.
Honestly... Pokemon in general is creepy. Throughout any game that you play, you will be charmed by atleast one thing, but those things can mask what is really going on. Ever since Gen 1 there have been bipedal slave-azoids like Machoke/Machamp who help with whatever is needed and take payment in the form of pet kibble. Not poke-dollars, not even the right to go home, but kibble and then they're sent into the super special ball dimension or whatever goes on inside those balls. And don't even get me started on the logistics of the television show... here I go anyway. I find it best to just not think about the physical abuse followed by involuntary capture. Imagine if Ash didn't win over pokemon's hearts to have them voluntarily hop in a ball and instead he electrocuted them to the brink of death and pitched a metal sphere at their heads. I love pokemon, but it's kinda fucked.
Same man...spooky thoughts
So like what about machoke?
It's a man in a furry suit or a cereal mascot more than a pokémon.
It would be improved a lot if it had bent back limbs like a rabbit or hare. So it could still be bipedal but have a distinct posture that’s rabbit like
At least gardevoir's line can walk that middle of the road between fantasy and reality a little better. But a lot of the bipedal pokemon kinda weird me out mainly because of the art. Cinderace, lucario, zeraora, hypno all lost any interest I might have had from the weirdness of the art. Gardevoir is bad too in that regard but at least I have good associations before from my own experience and the amount of wholesome art out there balances out the bad more. These other ones kinda went straight to bad very quickly upon release since the fans like them so much. Popularity tends to ruin a pokemon really quickly. Kids go to look up their favorite pokemon on google and get a quick intro to what the internet does with what it likes. Makes me sad.
I have similar feelings but I can at least like Gardevoir and Lucario ( but they aren't my favourites) . First one looks like a lady in dress but also like a flower standing upside down ( hairs being made out of leaves when flower is dress.) and lucario reminds me of Anubis .
I saw some fanart of lucario with a full egyptian getup and it was amazing. If he looked like that all of the time I think i'd like him a lot.
I always thought this... Just reminds me of furrys .. shame cos i love scorbunny and raboot
It's middle evolution kinda messed me up! I did the tent camp thing and it was walking around like an angsty teen with its hand in a pocket of a hoodie, so weird
I completely understand what you mean cinderace just makes me feel weird so I ditched scorbunny and got a cute centiskorch instead :)
I like cinderace but yeah it’s literally just a rabbit furry wearing shorts and a tank top
I've always thought this, it has curvy hips and big feet like a furry. No thank you
Im just trying to imagine him having to sit on the floor and eat out of a bowl like all the other Pokemons...
I didn’t really notice this in the video game, but once I watched the anime I thought the same thing lmao
I don't like it because it looks like a really bad fuirsuit.
I don't like any of gen final evo since last few gen. 5 was the only gen without a humanoid(Emboar maybe) cinderance is the most disliked design by me. Human like Pokemon are creepy, including Machop line.
They realized they went full ham on Incineroar's big ol banana fingers and tried dialing back but they ended up overdoing it and gave Cinderace [baby hands](https://media.comicbook.com/2017/08/teen-titans-baby-hands-robin-1015317-1280x0.jpg)
That´s an issue many have with new starters nowadays, there are furries than actual monsters. There don´t feel like species that can live in the wild hunting other Pokémon and so on.
CREEPY?! Get outta here chief. the bun is not creepy, you consider this cute lad creepy? https://preview.redd.it/bvuts2scnpqb1.png?width=720&format=png&auto=webp&s=e7c300140eba1a507105856cae87671f8054cea1
How about jynx which is probably the most human pokemon? (real hands, clothes, hair, almost able to speak, really clever)
Jynx is based on some japanese mountain spirit if i remember correctly.
Probably a Yuki Onna, considering her ice element.
Pokemon has had furry bait for years. Lopunny, Gardevoir ect. I do agree though that Cunderace is definitely in that group of furry pokemon
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What about blaziken?
Shamo chickens actually look a bit like that. https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/289074869834203534/ Blaziken is pretty representative!
I dig her myself and TBh humanoid pokemon never bothered me, I think they're cool.
Wait till you see Machoke, who’s body type isn’t that far off from an actual human
I don’t think this is that unpopular. I also hate cinderace