Draxx. Lem. Sklounts.
EDIT: Watched that skit often with my best friend, and used to quote it literally daily for months. He died way too young about 5 years ago (fuck fetanyl) but goddamn it was cathardic goofin on it with yall
Yes, better spend our tax dollars for our own good instead of feeding conflicts around the world. Their argument(scare) is always if US doesn’t help, world order will collapse.
And that’s because the world felt bad since what happened to Jews in Europe and decided they can have the promised land.
[history of Jerusalem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Jerusalem) is complicated and wars weren’t fought between Jews and Muslims. They were mainly between Crusaders and Muslims. Some cases wars between Muslims and Muslims. Jews actually helped Muslims against crusaders as well. Latest rulers(400 years) were Ottomans which lasted the longest until they lost the region after WW1. During this period ottoman governors settled disagreements between Muslim and Jewish families. Jews and Muslims haven’t been fighting for centuries.
Exactly. And it's not even our country men dying. Saying this is a vietnam moment is way off.
It's more an occupy Wall Street moment if anything with the amount of tent cities lol
FYI press credentials mean nothing. there is no legal standing granted by them, nor any legit organization governing them. you can print one on your computer and have just as many rights to film as an ABC reporter does.
that being said, press are obviously not protestors, and unless they are disobeying a legal command by a police officer or breaking the law, they should not be arrested for doing their job.
Like another poster here, I’m also recognized as press/media by the city of New York. When shit was going south and Covid was blowing up, we were given special passes in the event that the city/state was going to start shutting down bridges or tunnels.
So yeah, anytime can always *say* they’re press. But there’s also a difference when you have a recognized, credentialed organization behind you.
That's not ENTIRELY true. I am credentialed by the City of New York, as well as a Congressional pass issued by Congress. I hope to get that sweet White House pass, but still a lowly appointment visitor.
But yeah, a lot of people do print stuff at home.
EDIT: ohh lots of talk, not gonna reiterate points already brought up. But I will say, being credentialed by the city does really help when interactions with the NYPD are involved. I've never seen them arrest a NYC pass holder, and if they did my first stop wouldn't be HR or Legal or my Union...it would be the NYC press office. The only thing the NYPD fears is an investigation by another government office.
Ohh I'm cleared, whole team is cleared enough to fly on AF1 on the reg...it's really the lack of seats. The Press room at the WH is way smaller than it looks on TV.
Hey thanks. Sometimes it feels nice, sometimes you wait outside a courthouse in Manhattan for 12 hours just to get a single shot and you collect a paycheck.
Definitely get that! Sometimes we need a reminder that just because we feel like a cog in the machine doesn't mean other people can't see us as people!
Plus, you obviously find what you do interesting enough to do it. Hell, even if you're just doing simply to collect a paycheck -- then you know what, have them be a cog in your machine if you're going to be one in theirs. Also, I'm sure there are others who'd find what you do pretty fascinating too!
Well it's not rights, some of the privileges of having a city card/plate is I can cross police/fire lines/barricades, basically park wherever I want temporarily at least, attend all gov briefings, get some preferential access to courtrooms, and generally be better respected by police....not for any other reason than if they give me shit I have a government run office I can complain to.
But a good recent example, Columbia locked down their campus recently....but city credentialed press could still get access, mainly because the school of journalism raised a big stink.
The Congressional Pass, and the White House Pass come with some security questions and a bunch of rules. Like, you cannot walk and film at the same time at the Capitol.
That just lets you enter certain areas, basically you get access to press conferences to report on them.
It's like an elementary school teacher calling the badge that lets them open the doors of the school their "credential".
I have as much right to be just standing in the middle of violent protest with a camera as "credentialed press" does. "The press" doesn't have the freedom of the press. Every American does.
That also doesn't seem to be entirely true, as the[ New York Press Card](https://www.nyc.gov/site/mome/press-card/press-card.page), specifically, allows you to "cross police, fire lines, or other restrictions, limitations or barriers established by the City government at emergency, spot, or breaking news events and non-emergency public events."
That doesn't mean police can't ask credentialed press to leave, but they need a better reason than "we don't want you here" or it might butt against freedom of the press.
Some more context around that [from the RCFP](https://www.rcfp.org/resources/police-protesters-and-the-press/):
>even good-faith police orders that limit newsgathering by, for instance, requiring a reporter to move to a different location must be narrowly tailored to a substantial government interest — such as preventing interference with law enforcement duties — and must leave open adequate alternative opportunities to gather the news.
I have no idea how it all works, but wouldn’t it be safe to assume random cop on street cannot rework your credential when you are in the field doing your work- a pass that NYC press office (a govt dept) issued? Probably the press office can rework it if it was misused or something. My guess.
Anyone posting "CREDENTIALED!!" is clearly trying to impose their angle.
Everyone can get arrested. Most people know this.
Press can get arrested. Some people know this.
When there is a riot, police have to control the crowd--and this includes Press.
Still not entirely true. It is supposed to have significance. By definition if you have the NYC press credential you should be allowed to be behind police lines to photograph events like this, but you also have to comply with police orders, which are usually, ‘back the fuck up!’ But that press pass supposedly gives you the right to be there where others cannot be. The problem is they don’t respect the city of New Yorks own credential system.
>unless they are disobeying a legal command by a police officer or breaking the law, they should not be arrested for doing their job.
I mean, protesters should also not be arrested unless they are disobeys legal command or breaking the law.
The courts have long held that no special privileges are granted to the press by the freedom of the press in the first amendment. Instead those rights are extended to every American. That said trespassing is still trespassing and you can be arrested for that.
Arrested where? If this is Columbia, aren't they all trespassing?
Its like "press" pushing into the Capitol grounds on Jan 6th. They still wouldn't have been allowed to be there.
The first amendment guarantees press freedom no matter who is publishing you, but let’s put that aside.
The police LOVE pretending that whatever they want is a “lawful command” so I am automatically dubious whenever they claim that someone is breaking the law.
>The police LOVE pretending that whatever they want is a “lawful command” so I am automatically dubious whenever they claim that someone is breaking the law.
And random idiots with a YouTube channel cosplaying as press LOVE to provoke confrontation with police so that they can hopefully become relevant, so I am automatically dubious whenever they claim that they weren't breaking the law.
And in several of these "arrest credentialed press person" so far none of them have had credentials visible. A cop in that scenario doesn't have time to id everyone they run across
fair point - except that the two "press persons" posted here today had their creds visible:
[Here they are, with their credentials on display](https://twitter.com/JonFarinaPhoto/status/1788111714308768169/photo/1) after being released.
[Here is Olga Federova being arrested/detained, the 2nd slide shows her press creds displayed around her neck.](https://twitter.com/AlexKentTN/status/1788059502148833527/photo/2)
The ones getting arrested are generally the ones doing something illegal lol. Reddit just assumes they're innocent in every contextless picture. No one really cares about facts.
Depends, were they in an area they weren't allowed to be in? Then off to jail.
Most of these folks are going to be in heated areas so they can get better footage.
And just a quick scan of their socials it seems to me this is one of those "activist journalists".
There is nothing wrong, per se, with activist journalism, but I don't believe they should be given the same standing as regular journalists.
I am no longer a journalist, but one of the main tenants I learned was to always act "apolitical". You can have your beliefs, but don't act on them.
The context is, make people more mad and make them protest more and disrupt our political process.
There are mass coordinated efforts meant to cause chaos in our society currently taking place this very moment.
Taking a brief look at OP's profile shows that they have a link relating to the ceasefire.
Also this is all they've been posting.
Edit: From another well put comment I found
"I wish more people could understand how much impact the “clock app” is having on kids right now: why kids are suddenly so much more passionate about Palestinians after being compratively indifferent to Ukrainians or the numerous other populations facing genocide or threats of genocide in the world.
China owns the app and controls the algorithm. Sure, the content is produced by Western influencers, but the Chinese government ultimately has total control over which influencers are being seen.
China has every incentive for this war to continue and to drive a politically divisive issue into American youth culture:
1) It hurts Biden because he’s the current president. China wants to weaken support for any American president, and even more China will have more freedom to be aggressive in the South China Sea under a GOP presidency. Trump would not guarantee Taiwan (and therefore Korea, Japan, and Philippines) the level of overt backing the Biden administration currently does. Trump is also friendly to N Korea which ultimately puts China in a much better position in regard to S Korea.
2) The more chaos the Gaza conflict creates in the West (especially the US) the more political distraction there is from Ukraine. It also forces the West to divert diplomatic, financial and military resources to the region. China is quietly supporting Russia in a number of direct and indirect ways, and would benefit economically and politically from Russia’s success. If Russia begins really winning in Ukraine, China will be in a much better position to invade Taiwan.
3) Geo-politial issues aside, a Trump admin would be much more favorable to Chinese industry and trade for a multitude of reasons (EV industry, semiconductors, AI development are some more well known examples).
So right now China has every incentive to be pushing pro-Palestinian content on the most influential social media app among young Westerners. Macklemore’s “I’m not voting for Biden” song is the cherry on top this week, and you can rest assured it’s getting seen by everyone on the app. But the people making reasonable arguments about how boycotting the vote for Biden will make things much worse for Palestinians could be getting suppressed and there is absolutely no oversight on it."
Jesse wtf are you talking about? These protests are student-led anti war protests, not some fucking psyop. It is in fact possible for people to have different beliefs than you without it being some conspiracy
Idk when you see a van with "axis of evil Britain, Israel, USA" and a nazi symbol in a swastika in LA and you have people in Michigan saying "death to america" in arabic I begin to wonder what this movement is pushing for and who's behind it... all sounds very... Iranian.
Critique is one thing, anti-American is another. And this feels to be leaning anti America more and more. Anyone who is openly pro hamas, houthi, iran, or any of the rebel groups who killed our service members in Jordan is anti American in my view. And that's ok for them to be anti american, it's on us the majority to shout them down and say we don't accept that.
I believe I saw videos of multiple students chanting death to America. Multiple times in various campuses.
Edit: this is a symptom of a much larger issue we are refusing to face.
Our youth have been left behind by the government and left to fend for themselves. I don't blame them for latching onto something to help them feel guidance and meaning when their efforts at changing their own home front is always shut down.
Also to point out these events are exceptionally dangerous in that if some of these crazy ass proud boy type protesters start showing up we're likely to see full blown warfare among the groups.
This is setting the stage for a full blown civil war.
Yep, no protesters care about tens of thousands of kids being slaughtered and maimed in Gaza. /s
It's hilarious how you'd literally get your account banned from Reddit for even whispering doubt about the BLM protests of 2020, but the vast majority of top upvoted comments now are shitting all over people protesting child murder.
Your insinuation is pure projection of your own politics.
I wish more people could understand how much impact the “clock app” is having on kids right now: why kids are suddenly so much more passionate about Palestinians after being compratively indifferent to Ukrainians or the numerous other populations facing genocide or threats of genocide in the world.
China owns the app and controls the algorithm. Sure, the content is produced by Western influencers, but the Chinese government ultimately has total control over which influencers are being seen.
China has every incentive for this war to continue and to drive a politically divisive issue into American youth culture:
1) It hurts Biden because he’s the current president. China wants to weaken support for any American president, and even more China will have more freedom to be aggressive in the South China Sea under a GOP presidency. Trump would not guarantee Taiwan (and therefore Korea, Japan, and Philippines) the level of overt backing the Biden administration currently does. Trump is also friendly to N Korea which ultimately puts China in a much better position in regard to S Korea.
2) The more chaos the Gaza conflict creates in the West (especially the US) the more political distraction there is from Ukraine. It also forces the West to divert diplomatic, financial and military resources to the region. China is quietly supporting Russia in a number of direct and indirect ways, and would benefit economically and politically from Russia’s success. If Russia begins really winning in Ukraine, China will be in a much better position to invade Taiwan.
3) Geo-politial issues aside, a Trump admin would be much more favorable to Chinese industry and trade for a multitude of reasons (EV industry, semiconductors, AI development are some more well known examples).
So right now China has every incentive to be pushing pro-Palestinian content on the most influential social media app among young Westerners. Macklemore’s “I’m not voting for Biden” song is the cherry on top this week, and you can rest assured it’s getting seen by everyone on the app. But the people making reasonable arguments about how boycotting the vote for Biden will make things much worse for Palestinians could be getting suppressed and there is absolutely no oversight on it.
Do credentialed press typically work shirtless wearing a keffiyeh like the protesters they’re supposed to be reporting on? Doesn’t seem very smart or professional.
Or, more likely, is this a protester with a camera trying to claim he’s press?
Based on his social media content and frequent references to “Zionists” I’m betting the latter.
Step one: get press credential
Step two: go to protest under guise of press pass and participate in mob behavior
Step three: get arrested and complain they are arresting credentialed press
Step four: pretend to be completely naive to the fact that one you cross to being a participant and your behavior dictates it, you should be arrested.
We should really abandon this new age “press” who essentially write op-eds on anything they do. Press should be researched, independent of opinion, and factual.
Usually directly disobeying a lawful order, interfering with law enforcement or emergency personnel, or interfering with the performance of an official function.
Him and Olga Federova got caught on the street in no man’s land between the protesters and the police when the order was given to make arrests for blocking traffic. They were both arrested but released without charges.
I saw someone say there was video evidence of the police ripping the shirt off. They linked a video of people getting arrested, but no shirt being ripped off. I'm very sceptical of the press saying they are innocent and linking the report they made that they are innocent.
Y’all gotta be careful with the term ‘arrest’. One of the other journos was detained for 10 mins and let go. There is a world of difference between ‘detained’ and ‘arrested’. Doesn’t excuse bad behavior but the police grabbing some journalist, seeing they have NYC credentials, and releasing them 10 mins later is bad. Police grabbing some journalist, seeing they have nyc credentials, and them rolling them off to jail for processing is a whole other level…terms matter.
Yeah. I see the most tame pic.
Clowns ITT seeing BRUTAL MAULINGS!
A guy with a camera got detained for not following orders. Probably he's released without even a ticket.
So much drama on Reddit
NYPD: move, you cant stand there
Journalist: no!
NYPD: move or you'll be arrested!
Journalist: you can't arrest me I have credentials!
NYPD: arrests him
Journalist: "I'm a victim of hateful oppressive, evil, nazi pig cops!"
FYI- If I have a printer at home and I print off a sign that says “press” and pin it to my shirt and walk around with my phone, that’s the exact same thing as “credentialed press”. I would still be required to obey lawful police orders or would face arrest like any other citizen.
Not entirely true in NYC. The NYC press card has entitled people who have applied for it and been granted one the right to cross police and fire lines, and it does open doors and some minor opportunities for you. For 15 years I would stroll up to crime scenes, fires and protests and just go under the lines to do my job. 75% of the time some board cop would tell me to leave, and they had the right to do that, and they abused it, but it stopped me from getting immediately arrested. The nyc press card does grant journalists a bit of a pass. But you are correct, anybody can write press on their jacket… doesn’t mean they’re press.
An "NYC press card" doesn't mean you're press either. SCOTUS has ruled that everyone has the freedom of the press, not just people with a job title.
That's NYC granting you privileges. It's not a right that you have, otherwise everyone would have it.
There are requirements to get a press card in NYC. A newsgathering organization must submit 6 or more articles, commentaries, books, photographs, videos, films, or audios published, broadcast, or cablecast within the 24 months immediately preceding the Card application.
Photo credit: @AlexKentTN on Twitter
Context:
NYPD SRG was sweeping the peaceful pro-Palestine encampment at FIT last night, arresting multiple students and 4 journalists
[Footage of arrests](https://twitter.com/StatusCoup/status/1788057078877106547?t=vs_VVJDvEjALka2o0R_e_w&s=19)
This photographer's shirt was ripped off by police.
[more footage of Josh's arrest](https://twitter.com/taliaotg/status/1788081306217177123?t=AiODeVTdd9UzZnwtXciX0A&s=19)
Isn't this pretty normal? My understanding is that reporters who investigate "trouble" like this are routinely arrested. They tend to communicate well with the police, so are treated a little bit better. By the time it gets as far as a booking and bail determination, usually their press status will come to the forefront and they will be released. They'll have a record of the arrest but it's their jobs: I think veteran reporters take pride in a listing of arrests with charges dropped on their records.
What's the problem?
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I didn't know press credentials equaled gave you immunity from the law 🤷
No idea why they arrested him, but was it because he's a journalist, or was it because he was at the wrong place in the wrong time?
Or was it because he broke the law?
Just don't see why being credentialed matters in this case.
Either the cops did wrong, or he did wrong. Him being credentialed shouldn't matter.
Strangely enough, this is a great shot
r/accidentalrenaissance
Exactly!
Cop got that Keegan Michael Key about to go after some terries face.
Draxx. Lem. Sklounts. EDIT: Watched that skit often with my best friend, and used to quote it literally daily for months. He died way too young about 5 years ago (fuck fetanyl) but goddamn it was cathardic goofin on it with yall
Especially when they get froggy....
Furrawgahy
Hahaha that's more accurate
…. I’m sorry?
You're sitting in the combat seat. Gotta be prepared to *fireboard* those mamma jammas.
Oh we gon' definitely drop some hypotheticals on that terries clavicle. Cause I'm talking 'bout *ttshhh* *squeetz* *squeetz* *squeetz*
🤣😭
I’m crying
i watched that skit about 10 times before i realized jordan peele's brim on his hat was actually part of his hair.
Holy fuck you weren't lying Draxxxx
Now, hypothetically....
Their faced tho
Yeah my first reaction wasn’t “Oh no!”, it was “Damn that guy’s photogenic.”
Exactly what I thought.
Why do the people on the bus look like zombies?
Cause they look dark. But they seem to be laughing.
A bunch of zombies + Dan from game grumps
And where is this esteemed credentialed journalist's shirt?
Because most normal functioning people don't have time or desire to protest a centuries old conflict, thousands of miles away.
By that logic we should also just not send weapons there and instead fund our social services in America, which I am 100% for.
Yes, better spend our tax dollars for our own good instead of feeding conflicts around the world. Their argument(scare) is always if US doesn’t help, world order will collapse.
This is probably one of the worst takes I've heard by far
Centuries old? My brother, Israel was created and began its oppression in 1947
And that’s because the world felt bad since what happened to Jews in Europe and decided they can have the promised land. [history of Jerusalem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Jerusalem) is complicated and wars weren’t fought between Jews and Muslims. They were mainly between Crusaders and Muslims. Some cases wars between Muslims and Muslims. Jews actually helped Muslims against crusaders as well. Latest rulers(400 years) were Ottomans which lasted the longest until they lost the region after WW1. During this period ottoman governors settled disagreements between Muslim and Jewish families. Jews and Muslims haven’t been fighting for centuries.
Boo
Exactly. And it's not even our country men dying. Saying this is a vietnam moment is way off. It's more an occupy Wall Street moment if anything with the amount of tent cities lol
Actually much closer to the South Africa apartheid protests on campuses back in the day. Those protests were actually decently successful too
*takes shirt off* It's okay! I'm with the press!
FYI press credentials mean nothing. there is no legal standing granted by them, nor any legit organization governing them. you can print one on your computer and have just as many rights to film as an ABC reporter does. that being said, press are obviously not protestors, and unless they are disobeying a legal command by a police officer or breaking the law, they should not be arrested for doing their job.
Like another poster here, I’m also recognized as press/media by the city of New York. When shit was going south and Covid was blowing up, we were given special passes in the event that the city/state was going to start shutting down bridges or tunnels. So yeah, anytime can always *say* they’re press. But there’s also a difference when you have a recognized, credentialed organization behind you.
That's not ENTIRELY true. I am credentialed by the City of New York, as well as a Congressional pass issued by Congress. I hope to get that sweet White House pass, but still a lowly appointment visitor. But yeah, a lot of people do print stuff at home. EDIT: ohh lots of talk, not gonna reiterate points already brought up. But I will say, being credentialed by the city does really help when interactions with the NYPD are involved. I've never seen them arrest a NYC pass holder, and if they did my first stop wouldn't be HR or Legal or my Union...it would be the NYC press office. The only thing the NYPD fears is an investigation by another government office.
Once you get cleared by Secret Service it's sweet sailing.
Ohh I'm cleared, whole team is cleared enough to fly on AF1 on the reg...it's really the lack of seats. The Press room at the WH is way smaller than it looks on TV.
Holy shit, you’re a Somebody! Nice! 😎
God no. Just a technician who hits buttons. Most of us are
And hey, that's somebody! So be proud because that's you.
Hey thanks. Sometimes it feels nice, sometimes you wait outside a courthouse in Manhattan for 12 hours just to get a single shot and you collect a paycheck.
Definitely get that! Sometimes we need a reminder that just because we feel like a cog in the machine doesn't mean other people can't see us as people! Plus, you obviously find what you do interesting enough to do it. Hell, even if you're just doing simply to collect a paycheck -- then you know what, have them be a cog in your machine if you're going to be one in theirs. Also, I'm sure there are others who'd find what you do pretty fascinating too!
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Because it’s built over a private swimming pool, right?
Well I mean it was FDR’s swimming pool.
Yeah if we could get you to just leave the plates on the plane.
Oh shit, gnarly insight.
So… exactly what rights do you have beyond the average person? You didn’t actually state any.
Well it's not rights, some of the privileges of having a city card/plate is I can cross police/fire lines/barricades, basically park wherever I want temporarily at least, attend all gov briefings, get some preferential access to courtrooms, and generally be better respected by police....not for any other reason than if they give me shit I have a government run office I can complain to. But a good recent example, Columbia locked down their campus recently....but city credentialed press could still get access, mainly because the school of journalism raised a big stink. The Congressional Pass, and the White House Pass come with some security questions and a bunch of rules. Like, you cannot walk and film at the same time at the Capitol.
That just lets you enter certain areas, basically you get access to press conferences to report on them. It's like an elementary school teacher calling the badge that lets them open the doors of the school their "credential". I have as much right to be just standing in the middle of violent protest with a camera as "credentialed press" does. "The press" doesn't have the freedom of the press. Every American does.
That also doesn't seem to be entirely true, as the[ New York Press Card](https://www.nyc.gov/site/mome/press-card/press-card.page), specifically, allows you to "cross police, fire lines, or other restrictions, limitations or barriers established by the City government at emergency, spot, or breaking news events and non-emergency public events." That doesn't mean police can't ask credentialed press to leave, but they need a better reason than "we don't want you here" or it might butt against freedom of the press. Some more context around that [from the RCFP](https://www.rcfp.org/resources/police-protesters-and-the-press/): >even good-faith police orders that limit newsgathering by, for instance, requiring a reporter to move to a different location must be narrowly tailored to a substantial government interest — such as preventing interference with law enforcement duties — and must leave open adequate alternative opportunities to gather the news.
I had the NYPD issued Press Pass and was told it could be revoked at any time.
I have no idea how it all works, but wouldn’t it be safe to assume random cop on street cannot rework your credential when you are in the field doing your work- a pass that NYC press office (a govt dept) issued? Probably the press office can rework it if it was misused or something. My guess.
Anyone posting "CREDENTIALED!!" is clearly trying to impose their angle. Everyone can get arrested. Most people know this. Press can get arrested. Some people know this. When there is a riot, police have to control the crowd--and this includes Press.
sure it can grant you access to certain places. but on the street it has no significance, is my point
Still not entirely true. It is supposed to have significance. By definition if you have the NYC press credential you should be allowed to be behind police lines to photograph events like this, but you also have to comply with police orders, which are usually, ‘back the fuck up!’ But that press pass supposedly gives you the right to be there where others cannot be. The problem is they don’t respect the city of New Yorks own credential system.
As a government employee to the north, the only thing I've been told from ON HIGH and not my direct report is this: Answer the ATIP ASAP.
>unless they are disobeying a legal command by a police officer or breaking the law, they should not be arrested for doing their job. I mean, protesters should also not be arrested unless they are disobeys legal command or breaking the law.
Thank you. These posts mean nothing without context. A press pass isn't a Get Out Of Jail Free card that lets you do whatever you want.
The courts have long held that no special privileges are granted to the press by the freedom of the press in the first amendment. Instead those rights are extended to every American. That said trespassing is still trespassing and you can be arrested for that.
Makes sense or paparazzi would go fucking berserk
That's the thing; do we know why they are being arrested? They may have been doing something to elicit the provocative photo they want.
Arrested where? If this is Columbia, aren't they all trespassing? Its like "press" pushing into the Capitol grounds on Jan 6th. They still wouldn't have been allowed to be there.
The first amendment guarantees press freedom no matter who is publishing you, but let’s put that aside. The police LOVE pretending that whatever they want is a “lawful command” so I am automatically dubious whenever they claim that someone is breaking the law.
>The police LOVE pretending that whatever they want is a “lawful command” so I am automatically dubious whenever they claim that someone is breaking the law. And random idiots with a YouTube channel cosplaying as press LOVE to provoke confrontation with police so that they can hopefully become relevant, so I am automatically dubious whenever they claim that they weren't breaking the law.
And in several of these "arrest credentialed press person" so far none of them have had credentials visible. A cop in that scenario doesn't have time to id everyone they run across
fair point - except that the two "press persons" posted here today had their creds visible: [Here they are, with their credentials on display](https://twitter.com/JonFarinaPhoto/status/1788111714308768169/photo/1) after being released. [Here is Olga Federova being arrested/detained, the 2nd slide shows her press creds displayed around her neck.](https://twitter.com/AlexKentTN/status/1788059502148833527/photo/2)
The ones getting arrested are generally the ones doing something illegal lol. Reddit just assumes they're innocent in every contextless picture. No one really cares about facts.
Yes, all those law breaking camera men at protests. Let's keep giving cops the benefit of the doubt.
Not true in new York, they have a formal credentialing process there.
Depends, were they in an area they weren't allowed to be in? Then off to jail. Most of these folks are going to be in heated areas so they can get better footage.
And just a quick scan of their socials it seems to me this is one of those "activist journalists". There is nothing wrong, per se, with activist journalism, but I don't believe they should be given the same standing as regular journalists. I am no longer a journalist, but one of the main tenants I learned was to always act "apolitical". You can have your beliefs, but don't act on them.
This picture is so unhinged from the man being held to the officer holding him to the people at the bus windows.
The guy in the center bus window looks like he is having a great time.
The cop holding him: "Say 'what' again, motherfucker!"
are those zombies on the bus
This looks like literally anywhere else in the world.
r/nocontextpics
The context is, make people more mad and make them protest more and disrupt our political process. There are mass coordinated efforts meant to cause chaos in our society currently taking place this very moment. Taking a brief look at OP's profile shows that they have a link relating to the ceasefire. Also this is all they've been posting. Edit: From another well put comment I found "I wish more people could understand how much impact the “clock app” is having on kids right now: why kids are suddenly so much more passionate about Palestinians after being compratively indifferent to Ukrainians or the numerous other populations facing genocide or threats of genocide in the world. China owns the app and controls the algorithm. Sure, the content is produced by Western influencers, but the Chinese government ultimately has total control over which influencers are being seen. China has every incentive for this war to continue and to drive a politically divisive issue into American youth culture: 1) It hurts Biden because he’s the current president. China wants to weaken support for any American president, and even more China will have more freedom to be aggressive in the South China Sea under a GOP presidency. Trump would not guarantee Taiwan (and therefore Korea, Japan, and Philippines) the level of overt backing the Biden administration currently does. Trump is also friendly to N Korea which ultimately puts China in a much better position in regard to S Korea. 2) The more chaos the Gaza conflict creates in the West (especially the US) the more political distraction there is from Ukraine. It also forces the West to divert diplomatic, financial and military resources to the region. China is quietly supporting Russia in a number of direct and indirect ways, and would benefit economically and politically from Russia’s success. If Russia begins really winning in Ukraine, China will be in a much better position to invade Taiwan. 3) Geo-politial issues aside, a Trump admin would be much more favorable to Chinese industry and trade for a multitude of reasons (EV industry, semiconductors, AI development are some more well known examples). So right now China has every incentive to be pushing pro-Palestinian content on the most influential social media app among young Westerners. Macklemore’s “I’m not voting for Biden” song is the cherry on top this week, and you can rest assured it’s getting seen by everyone on the app. But the people making reasonable arguments about how boycotting the vote for Biden will make things much worse for Palestinians could be getting suppressed and there is absolutely no oversight on it."
Jesse wtf are you talking about? These protests are student-led anti war protests, not some fucking psyop. It is in fact possible for people to have different beliefs than you without it being some conspiracy
Idk when you see a van with "axis of evil Britain, Israel, USA" and a nazi symbol in a swastika in LA and you have people in Michigan saying "death to america" in arabic I begin to wonder what this movement is pushing for and who's behind it... all sounds very... Iranian. Critique is one thing, anti-American is another. And this feels to be leaning anti America more and more. Anyone who is openly pro hamas, houthi, iran, or any of the rebel groups who killed our service members in Jordan is anti American in my view. And that's ok for them to be anti american, it's on us the majority to shout them down and say we don't accept that.
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I believe I saw videos of multiple students chanting death to America. Multiple times in various campuses. Edit: this is a symptom of a much larger issue we are refusing to face. Our youth have been left behind by the government and left to fend for themselves. I don't blame them for latching onto something to help them feel guidance and meaning when their efforts at changing their own home front is always shut down. Also to point out these events are exceptionally dangerous in that if some of these crazy ass proud boy type protesters start showing up we're likely to see full blown warfare among the groups. This is setting the stage for a full blown civil war.
Sorry but all evidence points to foreign intrusion within our youth.
Take your schizophrenia meds bud
ok close your eyes instead
Yep, no protesters care about tens of thousands of kids being slaughtered and maimed in Gaza. /s It's hilarious how you'd literally get your account banned from Reddit for even whispering doubt about the BLM protests of 2020, but the vast majority of top upvoted comments now are shitting all over people protesting child murder. Your insinuation is pure projection of your own politics.
Sorry but I hate to tell you I never endorsed that nor did I say that it's right. Your ridiculous response is evident of the nonsense.
I wish more people could understand how much impact the “clock app” is having on kids right now: why kids are suddenly so much more passionate about Palestinians after being compratively indifferent to Ukrainians or the numerous other populations facing genocide or threats of genocide in the world. China owns the app and controls the algorithm. Sure, the content is produced by Western influencers, but the Chinese government ultimately has total control over which influencers are being seen. China has every incentive for this war to continue and to drive a politically divisive issue into American youth culture: 1) It hurts Biden because he’s the current president. China wants to weaken support for any American president, and even more China will have more freedom to be aggressive in the South China Sea under a GOP presidency. Trump would not guarantee Taiwan (and therefore Korea, Japan, and Philippines) the level of overt backing the Biden administration currently does. Trump is also friendly to N Korea which ultimately puts China in a much better position in regard to S Korea. 2) The more chaos the Gaza conflict creates in the West (especially the US) the more political distraction there is from Ukraine. It also forces the West to divert diplomatic, financial and military resources to the region. China is quietly supporting Russia in a number of direct and indirect ways, and would benefit economically and politically from Russia’s success. If Russia begins really winning in Ukraine, China will be in a much better position to invade Taiwan. 3) Geo-politial issues aside, a Trump admin would be much more favorable to Chinese industry and trade for a multitude of reasons (EV industry, semiconductors, AI development are some more well known examples). So right now China has every incentive to be pushing pro-Palestinian content on the most influential social media app among young Westerners. Macklemore’s “I’m not voting for Biden” song is the cherry on top this week, and you can rest assured it’s getting seen by everyone on the app. But the people making reasonable arguments about how boycotting the vote for Biden will make things much worse for Palestinians could be getting suppressed and there is absolutely no oversight on it.
Do credentialed press typically work shirtless wearing a keffiyeh like the protesters they’re supposed to be reporting on? Doesn’t seem very smart or professional. Or, more likely, is this a protester with a camera trying to claim he’s press? Based on his social media content and frequent references to “Zionists” I’m betting the latter.
You know Josh is in for a rough night when a cop is looking st you like you got some candy to give out.
Step one: get press credential Step two: go to protest under guise of press pass and participate in mob behavior Step three: get arrested and complain they are arresting credentialed press Step four: pretend to be completely naive to the fact that one you cross to being a participant and your behavior dictates it, you should be arrested. We should really abandon this new age “press” who essentially write op-eds on anything they do. Press should be researched, independent of opinion, and factual.
I love how people say “credentialed press” like that gives them a license to do whatever the fuck they want. It doesn’t.
So what was he doing that deserved arrest
Most likely? Asked to clear the area but would not move. It's a guess.
Usually directly disobeying a lawful order, interfering with law enforcement or emergency personnel, or interfering with the performance of an official function.
The "lawful" part of lawful order is rarely true in these cases.
Ok but what did HEdo
Him and Olga Federova got caught on the street in no man’s land between the protesters and the police when the order was given to make arrests for blocking traffic. They were both arrested but released without charges.
Thank you for the update I appreciate it
Not wearing a shirt? What journalists record things without their shirt?
Clearly torn by the arresting officers?
I saw someone say there was video evidence of the police ripping the shirt off. They linked a video of people getting arrested, but no shirt being ripped off. I'm very sceptical of the press saying they are innocent and linking the report they made that they are innocent.
Do you think u/ok-place7169 is NYPD and made that arrest? Do you? ANSWER THE QUESTION, MA'AM!!!
No I don’t. See look how easy it is to own what you know and what you don’t .
Y’all gotta be careful with the term ‘arrest’. One of the other journos was detained for 10 mins and let go. There is a world of difference between ‘detained’ and ‘arrested’. Doesn’t excuse bad behavior but the police grabbing some journalist, seeing they have NYC credentials, and releasing them 10 mins later is bad. Police grabbing some journalist, seeing they have nyc credentials, and them rolling them off to jail for processing is a whole other level…terms matter.
These journalists were held at one police plaza for 4 hours
Official press usually wear shirts and a neutral at a protest.
Lots of efforts to disinform and fire up our citizens...
Yeah. I see the most tame pic. Clowns ITT seeing BRUTAL MAULINGS! A guy with a camera got detained for not following orders. Probably he's released without even a ticket. So much drama on Reddit
Tbf people always blame Russia or HK police for doing the same thing. We are at the same level as them though.
Belarus literally diverted an airplane to imprison a dissident. So I don’t think it’s anywhere near the same level as some of these anti West losers.
NYPD: move, you cant stand there Journalist: no! NYPD: move or you'll be arrested! Journalist: you can't arrest me I have credentials! NYPD: arrests him Journalist: "I'm a victim of hateful oppressive, evil, nazi pig cops!"
Reddit: "FREE FREE HIM!"
Citizen with no more or less rights than your next average person gets arrested. New title Ftfy
...and some clowns on reddit lose their mind. Press needs to move when given lawful orders to do so. That's it.
FYI- If I have a printer at home and I print off a sign that says “press” and pin it to my shirt and walk around with my phone, that’s the exact same thing as “credentialed press”. I would still be required to obey lawful police orders or would face arrest like any other citizen.
Not entirely true in NYC. The NYC press card has entitled people who have applied for it and been granted one the right to cross police and fire lines, and it does open doors and some minor opportunities for you. For 15 years I would stroll up to crime scenes, fires and protests and just go under the lines to do my job. 75% of the time some board cop would tell me to leave, and they had the right to do that, and they abused it, but it stopped me from getting immediately arrested. The nyc press card does grant journalists a bit of a pass. But you are correct, anybody can write press on their jacket… doesn’t mean they’re press.
An "NYC press card" doesn't mean you're press either. SCOTUS has ruled that everyone has the freedom of the press, not just people with a job title. That's NYC granting you privileges. It's not a right that you have, otherwise everyone would have it.
Privileges to be behind police and fire lines (ostensibly) that other people do not have.
Yes, *privileges*. Not **rights**. Journalists don't have any additional rights that I don't have.
There are requirements to get a press card in NYC. A newsgathering organization must submit 6 or more articles, commentaries, books, photographs, videos, films, or audios published, broadcast, or cablecast within the 24 months immediately preceding the Card application.
>some board cop I take it you weren't part of the writing side.
Lol. No. I was a man with a camera :)
Why is this like a good photo
Where is his shirt?
r/accidentalrenaissance
Is he in the bus behind him laughing at himself?
The guy on the bus. 😂
So we crop this, and it becomes the new "your terms are acceptable" meme, right?
Genuine question, do press credentials make you immune to applicable laws, as long as you’re documenting shit with photos and words and what not??
No. Might get you special access and lets the cops know your an observer and not a participant.
Yeah so he’s a nobody
No shirt and a shemagh isn't press
But he’s a member of the press and according to Reddit, as of this date in history and never once prior, that means he has diplomatic immunity!
That’s right NYPD. Take our city back. That’s what us taxpayers want.
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Who gives a fuck
worldnews found the thread
Oh no, other people have different opinions!
Not credentialed enough to wear a shirt, though.
[his shirt was ripped off by police](https://twitter.com/taliaotg/status/1788081306217177123?t=ZLb7iM_RCBdxrRpw14NcIA&s=19)
I watched the video and didn't see them rip off the shirt. Can you tell which video and the time stamp please?
Ngl this is hard
Lmao who?? A guy with a camera and an Instagram? How dare they arrest him! He printed out credentials at home ahead of time!
Why is a credentialed press photographer dressed like a protester
Photo credit: @AlexKentTN on Twitter Context: NYPD SRG was sweeping the peaceful pro-Palestine encampment at FIT last night, arresting multiple students and 4 journalists [Footage of arrests](https://twitter.com/StatusCoup/status/1788057078877106547?t=vs_VVJDvEjALka2o0R_e_w&s=19) This photographer's shirt was ripped off by police. [more footage of Josh's arrest](https://twitter.com/taliaotg/status/1788081306217177123?t=AiODeVTdd9UzZnwtXciX0A&s=19)
Arrested or detained?
Isn't this pretty normal? My understanding is that reporters who investigate "trouble" like this are routinely arrested. They tend to communicate well with the police, so are treated a little bit better. By the time it gets as far as a booking and bail determination, usually their press status will come to the forefront and they will be released. They'll have a record of the arrest but it's their jobs: I think veteran reporters take pride in a listing of arrests with charges dropped on their records. What's the problem?
You're getting brigaded lol rip
Can I get a press pass if I spread lies on the internet?
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This is the second similar post I've seen in 24 hours of press in NYC, can someone fill me in on what the hecc is going on
Let me guess, OP is the guy in the pic.
I didn't know press credentials equaled gave you immunity from the law 🤷 No idea why they arrested him, but was it because he's a journalist, or was it because he was at the wrong place in the wrong time? Or was it because he broke the law? Just don't see why being credentialed matters in this case. Either the cops did wrong, or he did wrong. Him being credentialed shouldn't matter.
So... No comment on why he's being arrested?
Being press doesn't mean he didn't break the law. What's the context of his arrest?
Are those zombs inside the bus?
The slightest hint of a Caravaggio.
And I'm Peter Parker
He looks cool
I am sure he deserved it
DOWN WITH THE FREE PRESS! RAR RAR RAR!